Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Klick

State your name and purpose here!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i dont remember /in to this game what

that's because it was like 3 week ago

Are you Town chuck?
Or Mafia?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i dont remember /in to this game what

that's because it was like 3 week ago

Are you Town chuck?
Or Mafia?

i'm serial killer

OMG that’s what I thought you would say.
Your Town for me 100%.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well that’s how I would respond and I’m Town so this right he makes me want to hard Town read you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist what's your setup familiarity?

with this one?

I read the wiki page

Did you read how to read 50 pages is less then 20 Mins.
Cause I’m still trying to figure that one out.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well that’s how I would respond and I’m Town so this right he makes me want to hard Town read you.

cool, now you shall defend me until day 7 at which point i will gleefully reveal myself as serial killer (which absolutely nobody was expecting because i'm a hard town read)

:O.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VoteCount 1.1

RVS Award for

Most Unfortunate Misunderstanding

goes to...

VOTE: Ranger

Senpai please teach me ;-;

Actually, here. VOTE: beeboy
Since you're SE: why're you pulling out the 'innocent newb' card?

Auro [1]

- Egix96

bugspray [1]

- Cat Scratch Fever

Chemist1422 [1]

- Chemist1422

Homura [1]

- Alduskkel

Alduskkel [1]

- Klick

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Not Voting [7]

- bugspray, woodchuck321, rb, MafMen, Auro, Yshtola Rhul, Homura

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

Hello everybody, my name is Y'shtola Rhul. I am here as an observer and a scholar to the art of mafia.

I will be on standby if needed.

actually you're here as a player so you should be scumhunting not standing by

unless you're scum in which case feel free to stand by until we get around to lynching you

Give this guy the reward!
He miss understood this post.

This guy said he will be standby if needed.
He didn’t say he’s going to always continually lurk.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist what's your setup familiarity?

with this one?

I read the wiki page

Did you read how to read 50 pages is less then 20 Mins.
Cause I’m still trying to figure that one out.

Yeah it’s called skimming

Well that’s how I would respond and I’m Town so this right he makes me want to hard Town read you.

cool, now you shall defend me until day 7 at which point i will gleefully reveal myself as serial killer (which absolutely nobody was expecting because i'm a hard town read)

hi creature

Oh so when I only actually comprehend roughly 25% of the previous posts.
That what you mean by skimming?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

does that make your mason partners the klick clique

Klique**

VOTE: Klick

State your name and purpose here!

Klick
M, 22
Mostly just here for the dank setup tbh

ur turn
PEdit: why do you post so much?

Because I can’t stop myself from responding to shit constantly.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

CheekyTeeky replaces bugspray!

Welcome Cheeky!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Klick why did you specifically ask Chemist (and not any other player) about his familiarity with the setup?

Do I dare consider this post a sign to throw Aldu into my town reads.

Mmmmm I think I’ll wait for now.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

no you should throw me into your town reads because we're mason partners

Shhhhhh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm also more familiar with Chemist than the rest of this list.

So you're saying you two have

chemistry

?

Nice Pun!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

not at all

okay maybe a little but mostly not

He’s not.
I know him from Discord.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chuck’s also In Mafia451

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@mod

can you delete that post?

I’ll say Auro is Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, did you roll scum again?

No.
Did you roll

Spoiler:

town

again?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm the towniest of towns. Maybe I should even be dayvigged

galaxy brain

/Shoot CSF

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok Chemist, hopefully no one catches we’re masons this soon.
I’d agree that Egix could be scum this game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oops wrong PT.

FUCK.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ignore that post.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

That was clearly a fake post let’s be honest.
I’m VT.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

MS is a pretty nice community. I'm sure people will ignore the post since you asked them nicely.

Will

You

ignore that post?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky
Wagons!

heh heh

Let's do it

Cheeky has the small one!

VOTE: Cheeky

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Am I mason? Who knows.
But to all Masons out there try and put your buddy in scum Reads but don’t actually vote them.
Try and make Mafia think the masons are within the Town reads and make them end up targeting a VT and dying.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I told you not to reply to that in our Mason PT!! Ugh!

WTF GUYS!!!???!!

We’re just Open Masoning Now!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@mod

can you delete that post?

I’ll say Auro is Town.

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy
Nah I'm not buying this read

No?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I mean, of course you'd say that
What about it is town-indicative? You said yourself that it was obviously fake.

“I’ll say” is like “I’ll take it as”

What’s your point on this?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It's not clear to me that the read isn't serious. But also, the read can't be both serious and memeing.
It's ambiguous and I'd like to hear what TSE has to say about it. I can see your logic but I'm not convinced it's where town!TSE would go in their logic.

Overtime Auro’s Alignment will be more clear for me.
As for RN I’ll consider him Town.

Make sense?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oo!

I townread {Klick, TrueSoulEnergy, Chemist}.
No scumreads yet... we should be wagoning people.
Join me on CheekyTeeky?

May I ask why you Town read Klick?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: TSE

I’m not buying your Auro town read. Anyone could have easily said what Auro said regardless of alignment.

Auro, in post 85 you defended TSE by saying you thought TSE was just memeing, but post 90 makes it clear that’s not the case. Does this change your read at all?

It’s weak but I’m considering his reaction Town for now.
That’s what I’m saying.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

This guy said he will be standby if needed.
He didn’t say he’s going to always continually lurk.

Cool we're vibing. TSE is currently my strongest town read.

VOTE: Aldus

Aldu is one of my strongest Town reads.

Him and Woodchuck are my highest.
With Auro Third.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You guys are mean. Who's the naughty rascal that started this?

Auro.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: MafMan

Because I’ve played with him multiple times before and want him to play this.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I got nothing to do, so I'll jump on.

VOTE: CheekyTreeky

Hmm. To omgus or not to omgus?

VOTE: Woodchuck

Ok I want to lynch in {Wood, Aldus, Klick} at this point.

I’m willing to lynch Klick.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@CT

What do you have to say about Klick?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Klick

Yeah I like this vote.
But @MM please play

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It's not clear to me that the read isn't serious. But also, the read can't be both serious and memeing.
It's ambiguous and I'd like to hear what TSE has to say about it. I can see your logic but I'm not convinced it's where town!TSE would go in their logic.

Overtime Auro’s Alignment will be more clear for me.
As for RN I’ll consider him Town.

Make sense?

A claim like this has no value. I still don't get WHY you're considering Auro town. What I'm questioning is how you came to that conclusion. That fact that you still haven't given a straight answer to that is suspect.

Yeah I think there’s actually more value for VTs to inflate their townreads as a sort of mason cover

If you can justify a strong townread on someone and get the scum to believe you’re masons and shoot you, that outs a scum and clears a town

This is also likely to backfire now that it has been pointed out.

Hopefully the masons are able to accurately disguise each other just fine.

Basically this. The theory discussion is a big distraction. This setup requires a good amount of town deception and that's as far as we need to go into that rabbit hole.
Yshtola is town

Wait was that when I was trying to joke around and say no?
Maybe.
Anyway, let me make it more simple.
I’m considering Auro an IC for Day 1.
On Day 2 I’ll re-evaluate him.
While his post can come from scum I’m letting it slide as Town for today.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Auro

Something that bothers me is Klick said the following:

one post reads are generally not a good idea in my experience

Town

And didn’t give my read on you a pass.

Makes me think they are probably scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i dont remember /in to this game what

yeah you /outed lol

VOTE: Homura
because rebellion was a mistake

VOTE: Chemist

this is my easy strat to clear myself as a VT is it working

i dunno can a goon shoot him to check please?

Scumpost.

y tho

I'm townreading Aethur and TSE.

who is Aethur?

Random sidenote: when I was a teen I read a book called Klick and that character gave me nightmares. I can only vaguely remember it now.

it'd be even spookier if it turned out that such a book ~never existed~

It was more the subtle encouragement of the wagon. His content in general seems empty.

Empty how?

VOTE: TSE

I’m not buying your Auro town read. Anyone could have easily said what Auro said regardless of alignment.

What'd you make of Auro saying it wa a valid reason to townread him?

Seems just a tad scummy, moreso if TSE later flips scum. If TSE flips scum then it looks like Auro is trying to poke at TSE to engage with Klick in a townier way.

Anyway, let me make it more simple.
I’m considering Auro an IC for Day 1.
On Day 2 I’ll re-evaluate him.
While his post can come from scum I’m letting it slide as Town for today.

Seriously? What if Auro started doing the scummiest shit ever? I'd almost think you're setting up for a potential pivot onto a Day 2 Auro vote.

also reminder to myself to reply to 138 after Klick replies to it

Well if Auro Open wolves then OFC in retracting that IC on him.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m retracting*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

well then it just sounds like you're townreading auro until it's convenient for you not to

Exactly.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well not quite actually

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m town reading until he becomes scummy to the point it overtakes 1 Townie Post.
If you get what I’m throwing down here?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yes?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'd vote you if I weren't already voting you.

Why’s that?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: TSE

I’m not buying your Auro town read. Anyone could have easily said what Auro said regardless of alignment.

Auro, in post 85 you defended TSE by saying you thought TSE was just memeing, but post 90 makes it clear that’s not the case. Does this change your read at all?

It’s weak but I’m considering his reaction Town for now.
That’s what I’m saying.

Hello! As I asked several times earlier, could you explain why you think this?

Because there is no Mason PT according to the rules we just know alignments.
The fact he said PT makes me believe he is VT.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: TSE

Mason hunting bad

When did I say I was mason hunting?
I was saying that someone slipped VT.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm not particularly interested in pursuing any of Yshtola/TSE/Auro/Cheeky today.

VOTE: Homura

Are you willing to vote anyone besides us 4?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah I think there’s actually more value for VTs to inflate their townreads as a sort of mason cover

If you can justify a strong townread on someone and get the scum to believe you’re masons and shoot you, that outs a scum and clears a town

VOTE: TSE

Mason hunting bad

Explain the progression here? I don't track this vote.

I don't see how you don't see the difference between theory on how masons/VTs should play and voting someone for pointing out a VT slip

I didn’t vote Auro.
Alduskkel Voted me because I called Auro Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

one post reads are generally not a good idea in my experience

Town

After mentioning that Chemist is the only player he is familiar with he assumes he knows how town!TSE would behave.

I don't understand this. Did you or I misread something?

@CT
It’s not like people’s beginning Reads are set in stone.
I see people go “Wolfy Post” or “Town Post” at the start.
It isn’t directly a strong read it just means they had a good/bad entrance and they wanted to point it out.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@CT
It’s not like people’s beginning Reads are set in stone.
I see people go “Wolfy Post” or “Town Post” at the start.
It isn’t directly a strong read it just means they had a good/bad entrance and they wanted to point it out.

I think we're talking past each other. I was pointing out hypocrisy in klicks read progressions. Like he said Chem was the only one he was familiar with but then said that he didn't think town!tse would do x. How would he know what scum or town you would do if he's not familiar with you?

Well a Play Style is never alignment indicative so maybe their basing it off of my reactions and interactions which I find that is most likely to be the case.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm actually kinda confused now. TSE, what do you make of 70? Do you still think Auro is town in light of that post?

It’s Null.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Homura
I think this and Miss Lynch both have decent chances of being scum.

Chemist, your accusation of TSE is unfair, he was pressed for reasoning and *then* said he thought I was VT over scum because of the "slip". I don't see why town shouldn't distinguish between Masons and VTs in their sorting process. I feel like you made up a reason to sit on TSE's wagon.

I’d feel this way too but Let’s just say me and Chemist have “History”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

He honestly would just place a vote on me for any reason just for the sack of getting rid of me.

If someone said “PL TSE”
He would join that vote.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Combine that with the lack of other meaningful content and it's scummy.

Fair.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Allot over Night.
Probably not going to read all this.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Does anyone have any questions for me?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

When your in so many games and have a day where you barely have time.
I’ll be somewhat more active tomorrow.
Apologies.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Auro smells a bit off. Too much off-topic stuff or jokes.

Wanna elaborate?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

We're Masons, so 100% :3
I said before I don't like to distinguish between *strong* and *not so strong* townreads in this setup, but I'll say I'm pretty confident that you're town.

Who’s masons?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I did not like her 380, as I believe there was enough information to make a determination of alignment in some manner.

A determination of whose alignment?

I think you missed this

Apologies. I did miss this. I was referring to the players that she specifically mentioned, Auro, Miss Lynch, and popsofctown.

Scum!Pops and Scum!ML may be an issue later on from their posting style currently.
They could both me Town but they could also both be scum which would suck because they are strong players with high content.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

auro, how confident are you that I'm town?

I’m with Auro on the fact I think your Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Redacting associations was a mini townslip.
Her readslist is resonant if I reconsider Yshtola which I potentially should, like I said.
Not much more to it. There's room for her to be scum. I don't know if Suji scum would want to pocket me or not. Sujimichi is a very special player.

“Special” how?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sujimichi is a being of unspeakable power and wisdom and her faction will probably win whichever it is.

Why exactly will it probably win.
What makes it more likely to win then that of your faction?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

She's better at mafia than I

Ok so 2 things.
You didn’t read the trick question I asked your properly
Or
Your scum

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sujimichi is a being of unspeakable power and wisdom and her faction will probably win whichever it is.

Why exactly will it probably win.
What makes it more likely to win then that of your faction?

Now read carefully.
I purposely said this for your reaction.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m sorta leaning scum on Pops because of that.
But they could have also just not read properly.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE talk to me. Where are you currently at on Auro? I really liked his early interactions with you but then wasn't a fan of his Miss Lynch dialogue. I want to sort through that dissonance.

I may have missed that.
Can you show me the posts?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE read pages 13/14, then the end of page 15 and a bit of 16

I’ll take a look.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I read Auro’s posts.
It’s Null but leaning Town.

I didn’t read ML’s posts at all and can tell it’s probably scum Motivated
Although Pops responds with Suji before I also don’t like.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML and Pops

What’s your Reads on each other?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Auro smells a bit off. Too much off-topic stuff or jokes.

This pop-in is so bad.

He always makes pop-ins regardless of alignment.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Miss Lynch is town to me and it's almost all tone

It would actually be good if I knew whether she was Cephrir because Cephrir can definitely tonetrick me

Their main was revealed in the D&D Game.
It isn’t Cephrir.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm pretty sure ML and Ceph were both in D&D mafia separately but I haven't fact checked that

I wanna Town read you for this but at the same time it isn’t alignment indicative.
So I’ll pass.
Your still Null.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm pretty sure ML and Ceph were both in D&D mafia separately but I haven't fact checked that

I wanna Town read you for this but at the same time it isn’t alignment indicative.
So I’ll pass.
Your still Null.

Why would you town read him for that?

Because we shared a similar thought.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

but at the same time it isn’t alignment indicative.

I get it.

Somehow I

thought

he said "

it isn't alignment indicative

"

and also "you're null" vise scum, which is how I assumed he'd been reading him solely due to the fact that I've been scum reading chemist. Understand

srry

:/
Ima let you re-read your post and you tell me what’s wrong with it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You came on with happy cat intent to read this game I see.
Just look how cute you are!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

but at the same time it isn’t alignment indicative.

I get it.

Somehow I

thought

he said "

it isn't alignment indicative

"

and

also "you're null" vise scum, which is how I assumed he'd been reading him solely due to the fact that I've been scum reading chemist. Understand

srry

:/
Ima let you re-read your post and you tell me what’s wrong with it.

Or.... you can tell me what's right about it?

You thought I said what I said.
But it doesn’t mean what you interrupted it as.
But you don’t explain that here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

IDK I think I’m
Confused.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm not saying you didn't say what you said. I'm saying I thought you previously had him at a scum tell, so the post was indicating you thought he was more towny despite it being NAI. I looked back through your posts and recognized the only reason I thought you were scum reading him is that I was scum reading him.

I didn’t know you were until you brought it up.
I just remember Chemist voting me and I think it was Auro calling his post out and I was like “Nah, that’s Chemist. It’s Null for him to do that”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Woodchuck seems intent on making himself seem like a favorable lynch.

Nah, just busy IRL so it's hard to catch up sometimes.

Hot topic of discussion is scumtell statistics
How many instances of a certain behaviour should you observe in scum vs town games in someone's meta for it to be definitive evidence?
Pops and Woodchuck say 30, I think that's incorrect intuitively, in that that thumb rule doesn't apply in this case

Mathematically it's 30 to do a valid statistical analysis. You can make educated guesses based on any number, but there's no guarantee they'll be accurate. Also it's hard to solidly apply statistical rules to wishy-washy areas like scumreading.

Auro smells a bit off. Too much off-topic stuff or jokes.

This pop-in is so bad.

Actually scrolling back through your iso I think this is the only recent post of yours I have an issue with. Hmmmm

I did a quick read back through your posts Auro and at the time about 30% of them were some manner of joke or off-topic conversation

Also, I'm fine with

VOTE: Egix[/quote]

I think we should lynch one of Pops/ML tomorrow.
VOTE: Egix

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok I think maybe pops are town.

this is decidedly not town!Cheeky meta

I think Pops is scum.

Is this flipless? Or something?
Why is it Day 3?
Who got lynched Day 1?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Didn’t Egix get lynched?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Scum correctly shot Aldusskel D1.

Yeah he was ObvTown.
Scum would have to ISO him to see if he Mason slipped.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh I realize how this game works now.
There is no Night Phase.
Mafia must correctly figure out the mason team.
By shooting someone then ISOing them to see who their partner is.
Mafia thinks there winning but in reality there not.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Egix

I actually feel like this is Mafia.
They panic shot the Mason.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Egix

They are voting Egix and pushing them for lynch.

alduskkell you are getting precipitously close from jumping from null to DEFINITIONALLY TIED WITH MY OTHER TOWNREADS

better be, i mean we're masons after all

....

Yshtola, scumreads?

They called out their Mason buddy.

Don't worry about Yshtola, pops. We're masons.

Hopefully this isn’t true

especially since I’m a VT

Ok how obvious do you have to be.


This was like the most obvious shot for Mafia.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Who was Yshtola pushing?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yshtola is making it hard for me to remain sure she's town

Oh dear, this is alarming!

What can I do to help?

I think this points to Pops not being Masons.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I have been quite unabashed in stating my opinion that Cat Scratch Fever is a potentially likely candidate, Popsofctown. Of special note is the time the daykill was resolved, via the edit message at the end of the post.

I remembered liking her early posts, I checked her ISO - I don't find them as towny as I found them then, and can't recall why I did. However, I do like her questions and stances, so, eh.

Do you find it strange that a shot happened when she appeared?

Hmm Interesting.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VoteCount 2.0

RVS Award for

Most Recently Deceased

goes to...

Alduskkel,

Town Mason

, who was killed Day 1.

It is now Day 2. Votes are reset. Deadline remains the same.

Not Voting [12]

- CheekyTeeky, TrueSoulEnergy, woodchuck321, popsofctown, Miss Lynch, Cat Scratch Fever, Klick, Auro, Yshtola Rhul, Egix96, Sujimichi, Chemist1422

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

Ugh I dozed off on page 20. I will be able to catch up tomorrow because tomorrow is Fri-yay, but in the interest of getting my paw more into the game:

VOTE: Egix

is a fine vote

246 seems like posting for the sake of posting.

401 is a lot of words but not many stances. Egix, what's your read on Auro and Klick (presently, not when you wrote this post)?

I feel pretty good about TSE, Ysh, and ML.

They logged in before the shot.
CSF is being framed as Mafia.
They are Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm not saying you didn't say what you said. I'm saying I thought you previously had him at a scum tell, so the post was indicating you thought he was more towny despite it being NAI. I looked back through your posts and recognized the only reason I thought you were scum reading him is that I was scum reading him.

I didn’t know you were until you brought it up.
I just remember Chemist voting me and I think it was Auro calling his post out and I was like “Nah, that’s Chemist. It’s Null for him to do that”

Fair enough. I fucked up earlier and misread. srry.

This was the last post from ML.
Which was an hour and the last post before the shot.
I think they shot when the host wasn’t on.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VoteCount 4.0

RVS Award for

Shot Full of Holes

goes to...

woodchuck321,

Town Mason

, who was killed Day 3.

It is now Day 4. Votes are reset. Deadline remains the same.

Not Voting [10]

- CheekyTeeky, TrueSoulEnergy, popsofctown, Miss Lynch, Cat Scratch Fever, Klick, Auro, Egix96, Sujimichi, Chemist1422

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

Just wanna ask.
How TF did someone figure that out!!!!???

[TrueSoulEnergy]

WTF!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

CHUCK.
FUCKIN CHUCK.
HOW TF DID YOU GET A MASON VIBE FROM HIM!!!??

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Pops

Your scum.
Did.


It’s you, Egix, ML and someone else.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day will end when the timer hits zero: 4 days, 20 hours, 14 minutes

Does the timer not reset?

ARE YOU FUCKIN LURKING AFTER A FUCKIN SHOT!!!??

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Whoever the shooting scum is... Wow.

I think it’s all 3.

I think this happened.

ML Shot Alu
Egix Shot Yshtola because they were close to being hammered
Pops Shot Chuck based around my ISO to see if I’m Mason.
I’m not though I’m VT.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You guys are dumb that shot was obvious and likely last mason will die pretty soon. So RIP me.

How was it obvious?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VoteCount 5.0

RVS Award for

Resting in Pieces

goes to...

CheekyTeeky,

Mafia Goon

, who killed herself Day 4.

It is now Day 5. Votes are reset. Deadline remains the same.

Not Voting [9]

- TrueSoulEnergy, popsofctown, Miss Lynch, Cat Scratch Fever, Klick, Auro, Egix96, Sujimichi, Chemist1422

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

Ok.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Auro smells a bit off. Too much off-topic stuff or jokes.

how much content would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck content?

This is the only post Ald made that talks about Chuck.
I don’t understand how this makes it Masons.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wow
That was all four shots right?

WDYM by this Pops?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: ML

Probably scum.
Strong player that can manipulate later if scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Probably also made the first shot.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I was scumreading CheekyTeeky again and she was finally scum but I didn't get to lynch her

Maybe she targeted you and you got to kill her instead.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@TSE no, I'm gladiating Pops again probably

What’s wrong with ML?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Miss Lynch could be a Mislynch.
I'm simply *way* more confident in Pops.

I was thinking Pops up until the Cheeky Flip.
Now I think it’s Egix and ML with ML as my priority lynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m gonna go ahead and ISO Cheeky.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i dont remember /in to this game what

yeah you /outed lol

VOTE: Homura
because rebellion was a mistake

VOTE: Chemist

this is my easy strat to clear myself as a VT is it working

i dunno can a goon shoot him to check please?

Scumpost.

Hello everybody, my name is Y'shtola Rhul. I am here as an observer and a scholar to the art of mafia.

I will be on standby if needed.

Awkward tone.

Chemist what's your setup familiarity?

with this one?

I read the wiki page

What's the purpose of this question? You're veering dangerously close to an RQS scumtell which seems to be becoming a thing in recent meta.

This guy said he will be standby if needed.
He didn’t say he’s going to always continually lurk.

Cool we're vibing. TSE is currently my strongest town read.

VOTE: Aldus

I got nothing to do, so I'll jump on.

VOTE: CheekyTreeky

Hmm. To omgus or not to omgus?

VOTE: Woodchuck

Ok I want to lynch in {Wood, Aldus, Klick} at this point.

I wanna day from these.
Klick is Town
Chemist is mentioned but I’m not entirely sure if I want to lock them yet.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Random sidenote: when I was a teen I read a book called Klick and that character gave me nightmares. I can only vaguely remember it now.

For more proof.
This post here Town Clears Klick.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm going to blame drunk pops and ML's ego for blowing up the thread. I'm probably not missing anything since Wood STILL hasn't posted.

Makes me think ML is indeed their buddy here.
“ego”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Egix, who do you scumread?

Auro, are you buddying me?

pedit: can I get in on this support group

Auro/Aldu not SvS.

Miss Lynch are you scumreading Auro?

Jfc I'm away for a day and my two buddies die

VOTE: Cat scratch fever

Ok I think Auro, Egix, Chemist, TSE and maybe pops are town.

So Egix is probably actually better lynch here then ML or Pops.
Auto and Chemist could be TVS.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Their post with ML though indicates if Auro is Scum. ML is Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

CSF is probably town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE none of your associative clears make any sense to me

Explain what exactly doesn’t make sense to you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VoteCount 1.11

RVS Award for

Cunning Codebreaker

goes to...

You can trust me this time, I swearrr.

Oh really now?

But wait, I've just realised something:
Former -> Farmer -> Framer


VOTE: Formerfish
Got one of 'em already

Sujimichi [3]

- Klick, Auro, Yshtola Rhul

CheekyTeeky [2]

- Cat Scratch Fever, woodchuck321

Alduskkel [2]

- Miss Lynch, Sujimichi

TrueSoulEnergy [1]

- Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Egix [1]

- Alduskkel

Not Voting [1]

- popsofctown

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

VoteCount 2.1

RVS Award for

Someone Who Doesn't Have Flavour on Holiday

goes to...

oh no, I do not have the required flavour, I am sad

Egix [5]

- Cat Scratch Fever, Auro, Klick, woodchuck321, TrueSoulEnergy

woodchuck321 [1]

- Egix96

Not Voting [6]

- CheekyTeeky, popsofctown, Miss Lynch, Yshtola Rhul, Sujimichi, Chemist1422

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

Let’s take a look at these vote counts here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Random sidenote: when I was a teen I read a book called Klick and that character gave me nightmares. I can only vaguely remember it now.

For more proof.
This post here Town Clears Klick.

Maybe we can start here!?!?!

Feel like that’s something they would mention in scum PT or rather I don’t think they would want to specifically mention their scum buddy like that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok so vote recap.
Egix Voted Auro so they are probably not SvS.
Klick, A dead mason and Auro Voted Suji so Suji could be scum.
ML and Suji Voted Alu a Mason. So that’s probably ML and Suji are prob S/T but could be S/S but I’m leaning more S/T
CSF Voted Cheeky which makes me truly believe CSF is Town.
Alu Voted Egix but that’s Obv.

I’m
Thinking the entire Egix wagon was pure town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Egix

This is always scum.
Let’s just take the safe lynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Klick, TSE, CSF town
Miss Lynch I don't know.
Pops, Suji, Chemist is my current guess for the scumteam

Chemist could be scum yes.
Egix is probscum yes.

Prob scum but not prob enough eh?
Well let’s see how probscum he is with a Egix lynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I forgot Egix, I think he can be interchanged with Chem

Town.
You said that a second after I posted

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you flip town I'll gladly be BoP'd.

If you flip town I'll gladly be BoP'd.

If you flip town I'll gladly be BoP'd.

If you flip town I'll gladly be BoP'd.

If you flip town I'll gladly be BoP'd.

If you flip town I'll gladly be BoP'd.

If you flip town I'll gladly be BoP'd.

If you flip town I'll gladly be BoP'd.

If you flip town I'll gladly be BoP'd.

Stop Spamming.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Town:
Myself
Auro
Klick
CSF

Scum: (top Lowest, Bottom Highest)
Chemist
Pops
Suji
ML
Egix

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wait are player shots limited to one per goon?

@Hectic

This post Is Town
But this post is also made by Chemist.
Who always makes Townie posts.

Alternatively I don’t think Chemist is scum but has a chance to be.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Thus why he’s on my lowest part of my scum Reads.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Although I’m pretty sure we win with (Egix, ML, Suji and Pops)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m 100% Confident on my CSF and Klick Town Reads
And almost 100% confident on my Auro Town Read.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Town:
Myself
Auro
Klick
CSF

Scum: (top Lowest, Bottom Highest)
Chemist
Pops
Suji
ML
Egix

Chemist, Egix, Suji I think I agree with

I'm not really sold on Klick town.

I don't think Pops is SvS with CT, there were a couple of posts from CT that read as discrediting towards Pops. ML's tone seemed towny to me earlier and I'm not really seeing why ML had to have taken the shot on Aldus earlier.

ML had a bad vote.
Even as scum ML has a Townie Vibe.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

That’s called being a strong player.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@CSF
Vote Egix since you also scum read them.

I’d prefer to have a ML lynch next.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I guess I'm still not seeing why her vote on Aldus was scummier than the other votes on Aldus, but that doesn't preclude me from voting Egix.

VOTE: Egix

It was legit only them and Suji.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

BoP is real, there is more value to this gladiate than I originally thought

I don't know how good I am at mafia, I don't remember Pops from StarCraft mafia, I'm confident her actions in game are what make her scum and I asked to BoP on that basis, not historical read accuracy

The Mason thing, read her early ISO where she said something like "I DIDN'T GET THERE YET AURO" when the next post was 4 posts after the one she found bad

I think I may have gotten a potential Pop slip from them as well id have to recheck.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I guess I'm still not seeing why her vote on Aldus was scummier than the other votes on Aldus

You're talking about Suji, right? And it was scummy, her pushes on me were also scummy, I think she's likelier than Egix but whatever

See if Pops is Town in their PoV Egix should be the lynch as they Town read Suji.
If Pops never ends up voting Egix and Egix flips scum. It’s safe to say both Pops and Suji are the last mafia.
I’d their not as I said the game ends with the remaining pile in my PoE. (ML and Chemist)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If their not*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VoteCount 6.0

RVS Award for

A Dead Dog

goes to...

Egix96,

Vanilla Townie

, who was lynched Day 5.

It is now Day 6. Votes are reset. Deadline is set to 10 days.

Not Voting [8]

- TrueSoulEnergy, popsofctown, Miss Lynch, Cat Scratch Fever, Klick, Auro, Sujimichi, Chemist1422

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-10 10:40:24)

Your so dumb.
Like honestly.
You vote me and Auro who are both probably town.
And your wagon was probably voted on by all town.
Yet you don’t do much to defend yourself and instead be dumb.

Right here Guys is called “Bad Town”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s now MYLO BTW.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think I’m voting either ML or Suji today because of their vote on the first wagons death.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m not directly set in stone in Auro being Town.
But I’m like 90% sure he’s Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

(Pops, Suji, Chemist, ML)

There is 3 Mafia within these 4.


We can’t lynch wrong within them today.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think I’m voting either ML or Suji today because of their vote on the first wagons death.

I realize I said this wrong.
So let me clarify.
ML and Suji voted the Mason
The mason died.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m sorta more confident on ML!Scum TBH.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can the 1 scum in Auro/ML be Auro?

Why do you tolerate persons dancing on your head?

Ok yeah.
I REALLY want to lynch ML now.
But I’ll wait for others to check in before making my vote.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

GET TSE + AURO NEXT

Next time you play a game.
Do me a favour.
Change your

entire

META.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Nah
No way 776+778 are real thoughts
To me it's obvious he's trying to fake dumbtell

I’m Seththeking

Maybe that rings a bell.


Can’t wait to hear what you have to say here post game. XD

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm

Why exactly?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oops

I'm sure Suji is a better lynch @TSE

[TrueSoulEnergy]

People who keep defended ML makes me want to vote ML even more.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It surprises me how little Chemist is mentioned as a likely scum candidate.

Why bring up Chemist?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm going to blame drunk pops and ML's ego for blowing up the thread. I'm probably not missing anything since Wood STILL hasn't posted.

Makes me think ML is indeed their buddy here.
“ego”

This is, again, not relevant to the game.

How’s it not relevant?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don’t think Auro is scum after those interactions.
I do however still think ML is scum after those interactions

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah this slot needs to die.

VOTE: ML

It’s probably this, Pops and Suji.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, ML isn't scum, they're just "bad town"

There’s no such thing as ML being bad Town.
They are a strong player and should know better.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm going to blame drunk pops and ML's ego for blowing up the thread. I'm probably not missing anything since Wood STILL hasn't posted.

Makes me think ML is indeed their buddy here.
“ego”

This is, again, not relevant to the game.

How’s it not relevant?

What does CT's opinion of my "ego" have to do with my alignment?

Cheeky flipped scum.
They mentioned your “ego” without explanation.

So how about I ask you a question.
What do YOU think Cheeky meant by your ego?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah this slot needs to die.

VOTE: ML

It’s probably this, Pops and Suji.

Your reads are so good. Did you push Egix to lynch, too?

Egix was just Bad Town Who wasn’t going jack shit.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Doing*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, ML isn't scum, they're just "bad town"

There’s no such thing as ML being bad Town.
They are a strong player and should know better.

Know better than what?

Strong Players like you think better as Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It surprises me how little Chemist is mentioned as a likely scum candidate.

Why bring up Chemist?

Chemist is arguably one of the scummiest players in the game but no one has mentioned him much at all.

Ok then.
If you think he’s scummy.
Give me a case on him.
And if you truly felt this way.
Why place a vote on Auro?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Miss Lynch ignores the fact that the timing of Cheeky's woodchuck slot (it was 99% her, or even otherwise, the shot itself no matter who took it) had no relation to the gamestate at the time. Cheeky simply took shots when she thought someone was Mason.

We don’t know if all of it was her though.
All those correct shots seems difficult to peace together for Cheeky.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I see. Your solve is based on Aluminum being confirmed Mason.

Not all of it.
But since you brought it up.
Before they flipped Mason why did you scum read them?
And then why did you vote them?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah this slot needs to die.

VOTE: ML

It’s probably this, Pops and Suji.

Your reads are so good. Did you push Egix to lynch, too?

Didn't you just name Klick and Egix as great candidates for scum just a page ago?

Like no one's to blame for Egix's lynch. Egix being unreadable because of his poor effort at playing the game when he actually can is totally on him.

Ok yeah, that’s it.
I’m locking Auro as Town by this.
I don’t think they are scum at all at this point.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Miss Lynch ignores the fact that the timing of Cheeky's woodchuck slot (it was 99% her, or even otherwise, the shot itself no matter who took it) had no relation to the gamestate at the time. Cheeky simply took shots when she thought someone was Mason.

1. You're assuming that every shot was Cheeky and using that to excuse your garbage argument.
2. Your argument is that Cheeky was only capable of taking shots off-the-cuff because one of her shots was off-the-cuff.

I agree with this.
But I still don’t like your push on Auro.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, ML isn't scum, they're just "bad town"

There’s no such thing as ML being bad Town.
They are a strong player and should know better.

Know better than what?

Strong Players like you think better as Town.

What should I have thought better?

I just would expect more from you.
You vote the Mason
Mention you would vote Egix’s wagon but don’t
Your content this game has been deadline Normal for you without any indication of town.
And your actions seem scummy.
You know what they say.
Actions speak louder then words.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm going to blame drunk pops and ML's ego for blowing up the thread. I'm probably not missing anything since Wood STILL hasn't posted.

Makes me think ML is indeed their buddy here.
“ego”

This is, again, not relevant to the game.

How’s it not relevant?

What does CT's opinion of my "ego" have to do with my alignment?

Cheeky flipped scum.
They mentioned your “ego” without explanation.

So how about I ask you a question.
What do YOU think Cheeky meant by your ego?

Cheeky was talking about how I blew up the thread by posting a lot trying to get Auro to stop posting. That is the explanation. I don't know how you could interpret that any other way.

Did she mention that at all?
And wouldn’t that mean Auro is more Town by that from your POV?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist is arguably one of the scummiest players in the game but no one has mentioned him much at all.

I dislike this kind of stream of consciousness posting. I'd say taking notes and posting them at the *end* is a less noisy and more productive.

It surprises me how little Chemist is mentioned as a likely scum candidate.

Why bring up Chemist?

Chemist is arguably one of the scummiest players in the game but no one has mentioned him much at all.

Ok then.
If you think he’s scummy.
Give me a case on him.
And if you truly felt this way.
Why place a vote on Auro?

How many times this game have you listed other likely scum candidates while you put your vote somewhere else?

I can count for you, if you won't.

Never.
I always voted who I feel is most scum or is who’s best for PoV.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Ml
Still doesn’t explain why you vote Auto over Chemist
And I still have no case on Chemist from you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I just would expect more from you.
You vote the Mason
Mention you would vote Egix’s wagon but don’t
Your content this game has been deadline Normal for you without any indication of town.
And your actions seem scummy.
You know what they say.
Actions speak louder then words.

If you read why I voted Alderaan, you wouldn't view it the same way you do.

Show me then.
Tell me what page.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Cheeky was talking about how I blew up the thread by posting a lot trying to get Auro to stop posting. That is the explanation. I don't know how you could interpret that any other way.

Did she mention that at all?

As a matter of fact, she did:

I'm going to blame drunk pops and

ML's ego for blowing up the thread

. I'm probably not missing anything since Wood STILL hasn't posted.

And wouldn’t that mean Auro is more Town by that from your POV?

Why would that mean that?

1) in that same Cheeky post she also talked about Pops.
Not just you.

2)If they mentioned you telling Auro to shut up then that could indicate Auro is Town
Well at least I believe Cheeky’s Interaction There says that if what your saying it true.

Also didn’t one of Cheeky’s Reads have Chemist as Town?
@ML put that in your case on him.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist is arguably one of the scummiest players in the game but no one has mentioned him much at all.

I dislike this kind of stream of consciousness posting. I'd say taking notes and posting them at the *end* is a less noisy and more productive.

It surprises me how little Chemist is mentioned as a likely scum candidate.

Why bring up Chemist?

Chemist is arguably one of the scummiest players in the game but no one has mentioned him much at all.

Ok then.
If you think he’s scummy.
Give me a case on him.
And if you truly felt this way.
Why place a vote on Auro?

How many times this game have you listed other likely scum candidates while you put your vote somewhere else?

I can count for you, if you won't.

Never.
I always voted who I feel is most scum or is who’s best for PoV.

Bet:

Spoiler:

I think we should lynch one of Pops/ML tomorrow.
VOTE: Egix

Ok I think maybe pops are town.

this is decidedly not town!Cheeky meta

I think Pops is scum.

Is this flipless? Or something?
Why is it Day 3?
Who got lynched Day 1?

VOTE: Pops

Your scum.
Did.


It’s you, Egix, ML and someone else.

Miss Lynch could be a Mislynch.
I'm simply *way* more confident in Pops.

I was thinking Pops up until the Cheeky Flip.
Now I think it’s Egix and ML with ML as my priority lynch.

I count 4 times.

Fuck off.

XD
What?
You just posted me Confirming I’m right LMAO.
I did say Pops, Egix and you were in my PoE.
And you only showed me voting Pops.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Ml
Still doesn’t explain why you vote Auto over Chemist

He's higher priority.

And I still have no case on Chemist from you.

I have no intention of casing a player for someone who refuses to read my posts and yet is trying to push me as scum regardless.

Auro is Town.

Fuck Off.

(Since you want to tell me to Fuck Off)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Cheeky was talking about how I blew up the thread by posting a lot trying to get Auro to stop posting. That is the explanation. I don't know how you could interpret that any other way.

Did she mention that at all?

As a matter of fact, she did:

I'm going to blame drunk pops and

ML's ego for blowing up the thread

. I'm probably not missing anything since Wood STILL hasn't posted.

And wouldn’t that mean Auro is more Town by that from your POV?

Why would that mean that?

1) in that same Cheeky post she also talked about Pops.
Not just you.

Your post accused me of being scum because Cheeky mentioned me in that post.

What does pops being in the post have to do with anything?

2)If they mentioned you telling Auro to shut up then that could indicate Auro is Town
Well at least I believe Cheeky’s Interaction There says that if what your saying it true.

Also didn’t one of Cheeky’s Reads have Chemist as Town?
@ML put that in your case on him.

Are you trying to defend Chemist by saying he can't be scum because scum never list each other as town?

1) Yeah your honestly not that stupid as Town.
That Cheeky post talks about BOTH Pops and You.
You say Cheeky’s mention of “ego” you is because of your interactions with Auro.
But what about Pops.
^
Like how do you not understand this?

2) The opposite actually.
What made you jump to the conclusion I was defending Chemist?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

XD
What?
You just posted me Confirming I’m right LMAO.
I did say Pops, Egix and you were in my PoE.
And you only showed me voting Pops.

You said that you never mention another player while you are voting the first one. I've quoted three times that you've done that.

Stop trying to make the conversation about something it's not to distract from the fact that every statement you make is in blatant contradiction with reality.

To me you said.
I scum read (blank) more but I’ll vote Alu with Suji instead.

So I ask you again.
Why did you scum read Alu so much you were willing to vote them?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE: *makes argument*
ML: *counters argument*
TSE: What does what you said have anything to do with this thing that has absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about?

Elaborate.
I’m not sure I understand this.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Just checked, that was hammer. I didn't realise, though I think a quick lynch on Egix is optimal here and probably would have done it were I aware?

This isn't a good post from Klick

Ignore me.

YEAH. DIE SCUM!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ignoring me?*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

To me you said.
I scum read (blank) more but I’ll vote Alu with Suji instead.

So I ask you again.
Why did you scum read Alu so much you were willing to vote them?

No. I never said that to you.

Then explain.
And you still don’t respond to the second part.
When I’d expect a player like you to be able to do.
But then Again if your scum I don’t expect you to do it.
LOL.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can you guys take a break from going at each other, critically analyse Sujimichi's ISO?

Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji.

Yeah I’m down to vote Suji but I would rather vote ML.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Alright so first of all there's no chance in hell I'm going to be able to keep up with this pace on my phone at my in-laws'. It's also not achieving anything except a toxic gamestate.

We are at MyLo.

5 town left, 5 to lynch. Right now have two shots to get all the town in on a scum lynch. I think it's massively unrealistic for all of us to accurately land on the same scum by our own reads while also being influenced by the scumteam. If we want to win this, we need something 'objective', or at least more directed and accurate than the hive mind's scumread.
This is the theory behind why I thought speedlynching Egix was optimal - the Masons were pushing that way, and that has credit to it.

We have a couple of options from what I can see. We can try and parse through the Masons' reads and use them to reach a solid lynch. Or we can try to form a town bloc and lynch outside of it without being too picky.

Thoughts? I think the second way is more plausible.

PEdit: holy shit stop posting.

Town Block:
Me, You, CSF and Auro.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Thoughts? I think the second way is more plausible

This is what I'm trying to achieve with you, me, CSF, ML, TSE.

Why do you think ML is Town here?

VOTE: Suji

Because I don’t think ML will vote this and Auro is inclining this to be the lynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

To me you said.
I scum read (blank) more but I’ll vote Alu with Suji instead.

So I ask you again.
Why did you scum read Alu so much you were willing to vote them?

No. I never said that to you.

Then explain.
And you still don’t respond to the second part.
When I’d expect a player like you to be able to do.
But then Again if your scum I don’t expect you to do it.
LOL.

I'm not going to respond to the second part, because it was answered long before you started seriously coming at me. If you want a response to that part, you're welcome to read my posts. If you'd expect me to not respond as scum, you've got a problem with your

expectations

. I'm responding to you right now out of courtesy, but to be honest I think you hold

no sway in this game

, and that most people see and agree that you have very little clue what you're talking about a majority of the time.

No sweetheart. The Bolded is you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji

I think town!Suji is pretty sensible as a player, her attack on Aldehyde was bad. Read the case about "leading questions". Read my response explaining how context explains those questions and his unvoting a few posts later weakens the case. Then read her response saying "agree to disagree" or something like that.

Yeah ok.
As I said before I’ll say it again.
Let’s just take the Safe Lynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

This is disgusting timing.

Combined with the Cheeky vote that immediately follows it, I can go w/ Chemist scum right now, and I'd be willing to at least temporarly town block w/ CSF and TSE.

It could just be Pops, Suji and Chemist then if you are actually Town here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why do you think ML is Town here

I'm not completely sure of this, but I don't think ML fakes the things they posted in the past few pages, especially wrt mechanics

Look at the D&D game they had.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81273

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@TSE and Auro:

Convince me on CSF? They've given very little content that I've cared about so far. Is it all related to daykill stuff?
I'm willing to accept TSE town. I'm going to have to sit and think for a bit tonight about Auro. If Auro is Town I have a lot of trouble seeing Enter as town.

What major game did we play together?

I agree TSE is town, but blocking with him means we have to reach an agreement, which means we have to be able to communicate and I don't think that's happened successfully once this game?

CSF is likely town because of Cheeky and Chemist jumping on their wagon so quickly. This is based off the assumption that Chemist is scum, however.

Then accept Auro is Town here as well as Klick.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Then accept Auro is Town here as well as Klick.

Why would I do that?

I resent the assumptions you have to take to make a statement like this:

1. That I've never seen Auro play before. I have. BoP 1 I caught him as scum. I was not town or scum in that game, so it was exclusively me observing him, with no chance for the opposite. We also played uPick Rapiers together as well as a few other games, iirc.
2. That it's impossible for me to read a player w/o playing a game with them before this. That's ridiculous.

His actions are Town Motivative.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Unless you're making the assumption that because I think you're town I'm willing to sheep your reads.

That doesn't follow because I think your reads are probably around average, possibly a little below (although I will admit that the sample set may be skewed at least slightly against you). It's also kind of ridiculous to unironically ask a player that you are scum reading to sheep you.

If it wasn’t for Auro I’d be voting you.
I trust in Auro enough to consider you to not be the lynch for today and instead Suji.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.

Yeah.
It’s called Pops.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think before I'm willing to sheep you in any game, TSE, I have to 1. Be able to carry out a conversation with minimal disruption due to failure to understand each other and 2. See that you're willing to at the very least read the posts that I've pointed out are worth your time.

That said, I very very rarely sheep players at all, and I doubt that even after meeting those criteria you will be in the sort of bracket of players that I am willing to sheep.

I PoE.
I may ignore stuff I don’t think will bring up any progression.

If your town.

The team is Chemist - Suji and Pops.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Egix96 [5] -

TrueSoulEnergy, Cat Scratch Fever,

Auro,

popsofctown,

Klick

Color coded based on my reads

Interesting.
So you also think Pop is scum correct?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can you guys take a break from going at each other, critically analyse Sujimichi's ISO?

Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji.

Yeah I’m down to vote Suji but I would rather vote ML.

Why is placing a vote on a player who was later to be revealed to be a Mason an indicator of Mafia? Also, why is popsofctown reading me as town an indicator of me being Mafia aligned when you are not certain of her alignment?

It’s an indicator they were pushing Town and then a shot went off on them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why did you say this when we potentially do not have a next phase?

It's 5T v 3S, right? So we have one mislynch to burn, assuming scum don't make a correct shot (and I don't think they'll take the risk)

You are assuming that they have not already identified the last Mason and are waiting for an incorrect lynch today to follow up with an immediate shot and a win. We should be playing this day as if it is our last chance, not bargaining in hopes that your assumption is correct.

So scum.
Who do you think the mason is?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can you guys take a break from going at each other, critically analyse Sujimichi's ISO?

Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji.

Yeah I’m down to vote Suji but I would rather vote ML.

Why is placing a vote on a player who was later to be revealed to be a Mason an indicator of Mafia? Also, why is popsofctown reading me as town an indicator of me being Mafia aligned when you are not certain of her alignment?

It’s an indicator they were pushing Town and then a shot went off on them.

Yes, that is factually what happened. Why is that an indicator of Mafia and not the read being incorrect? As I recall, I was not online when the "shot went off on them."

Not but ML was the last to post and the shot went off an hour later.

The point of the fact is.
You were clearly not voting to lynch mafia.
Nor I don’t think you had any other scum Reads that caught your eye.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.

Fallacious reasoning, Sujimichi. Think about it.

It is not fallacious if you are simultaneously not on the wagon and have town role PM.

Are you referring to yourself or Suji?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.

Fallacious reasoning, Sujimichi. Think about it.

It is not fallacious if you are simultaneously not on the wagon and have town role PM.

Like if you believe that I'm town or Suji is town, there must be at least one scum on the wagon.

Yeah Pops.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Not but ML was the last to post and the shot went off an hour later.

The point of the fact is.
You were clearly not voting to lynch mafia.
Nor I don’t think you had any other scum Reads that caught your eye.

I do not believe you are accurately interpreting the game considering the speed at which the Mason kills have resolved and the lack of actual lynches.

Is this the scums plan now!?
LOL
Scared of me so they try and hope others ignore me.
Maybe you forgot.

I’m
Special
Like
Batman or Superman.

You can’t defeat me with such plays.
I take everything into consideration and use PoE to conclude who has the highest probability of being scum.
Auro stated that he had a scum read on Pops.

@Klick
@CSF

Listen to me and listen to me carefully.

Me, Auro and you two are Town.
Don’t think otherwise.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Mafia’s just trying to get one of us to miss vote.
Let’s not let that happen.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

More and More reason why Auro is Town.

The proof just keeps on coming.

@Mafia (3 out of Chemist, Pops, Suji, ML)
Maybe if you all defend each other you could have a chance.
LOL no, your all fucked.
I just want a laugh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Is this the scums plan now!?
LOL
Scared of me so they try and hope others ignore me.
Maybe you forgot.

I’m
Special
Like
Batman or Superman.

You can’t defeat me with such plays.
I take everything into consideration and use PoE to conclude who has the highest probability of being scum.
Auro stated that he had a scum read on Pops.

@Klick
@CSF

Listen to me and listen to me carefully.

Me, Auro and you two are Town.
Don’t think otherwise.

I did not ask for you to be ignored. I think your use of the fact that someone was on a revealed Mason's wagon to read someone as Mafia is in error.

Nope.
You never changed your opinion of vote after or before.
Die. scum.

If you were really Town voting mason it would actually be telling.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sure, it's likely there's one scum on the wagon (and I think it's Pops), but there's equal likelihood of scum outside the wagon as well; so "vote within the wagon" is incorrect.

This applies to the Egix wagon because it doesn't seem like a scum generated push; it was an entirely reasonable wagon. And that's strengthened by the fact that flipped Masons scumread him too.

Why are you ignoring the actual argument for looking on the lynch?

Vote Pops then.
Or are you chicken?

Ba Cookck!