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[Karnage]

gimme a bit and I'll get caught up

[Karnage]

I mean I don't really have any reactions other than 'it's weird titus started my wagon then immediately left it' but i'm getting a nullread from that

I don't like you answering a question for Titus. I don't like how it's weird but its a null read.

yeah, there were better ways for her to leave the wagon if she wanted to avoid suspicion on me

Why should Titus be concerned with avoiding suspicion on YOU?

the way TSE approached my post screamed townie to me + I was already disliking that mafioso post when they pushed it
lunar's mafioso post and how they approached the idea of s/s; i think after their last two posts they're pretty solidly null for me though, maybe a little itsy bitsy townie
these are very early reads so they'll probably change but this is where my head is at

You disliked the "mafioso" post but not enough to move your RVS vote.

what were people saying that's the same besides 'it's null'?
only cheeky mentioned the gut ping thing
I would like phi to come and speak, which is why I'm still voting for them, but I think most people would rather focus on the actual content that's been generated
like, I see wym with that phi post, but it's one rvs post, it's not exactly a lot to look

at

I think you are leaving your vote on Phi as a backdoor to voting with Titus

this is a weird basis to vote titus on

Buddying up to Titus

liking this post

More buddying up to Titus

VOTE: tap

[Karnage]

I could be wrong but I think Karnage Scum = Ph0enix Town

They are voting the same person and Ph0’s response to Karnage didn’t feel like scum theatre.

I'm not following your logic

[Karnage]

What don’t you understand?

I don't understand why, if you think I'm scum, you haven't moved your vote

[Karnage]

When did I say you were scum?

This brings me back to what don’t you understand?

I thought 68 implied you were scum reading me but I guess I was wrong

How is this misunderstanding happening with a player who has a join date older than mine unless it is a perspective slip? I'm not sure on this and I kinda want backup.

This post brought a lot to the table, thanks /s

[Karnage]

I'd like to hear more from QQ

[Karnage]

@QQ if this is a schtick, please never stop

[Karnage]

QQ is likely some type of troll and I'm questioning whether ph0enix's reaction to them is genuine

[Karnage]

VOTE: Karnage

Theory, Karnage Cheeky scumteam

theories without supporting evidence aren't worth much

[Karnage]

I'm leaning town on Titus and TSE atm

tapioca and phoenix would be my guess for scum

everybody else is ???

[Karnage]

I consider stylish headwear to be town indicative

[Karnage]

Karnage why are you townreading the two people voting you? It reads like you're placating them after a pretty average entrance >.>

my town reads on them are independent of their votes on me

[Karnage]

Karnage why are you townreading the two people voting you? It reads like you're placating them after a pretty average entrance >.>

my town

leans

on them are independent of their votes on me

EBWOP

[Karnage]

anybody else having issues with the forum?

[Karnage]

Can the people who have provided reads/theories for scumteams and haven't explained the reasoning behind them do so :/

I'm leaning town on Titus and TSE atm

I think that's all. Also, I don't like how Karnage called out TSE in 98 for not providing reasoning behind his theory, but later he posts his townleans without us knowing why he feels this way about the particular people he's leaning town on.

I really like these two posts from Titus. They show a strong town mindset imo. Granted they could be faked which is why I only lean town for now.

Spoiler:

The discussion around ne and my vote change is awkward and stilted. A few slots say the same thing and get nowhere but NAI, essentially repeoting what came before.

What's abcent is more telling. Everyone wants to know why my gut was strong enough, yet no one looked at Phi's behavior. It's net enough to make a strong case out of, but it's still interesting. Phil comes across artificial and fake in the opeming sequence.

Mod: I voted Phi not Phoenix.

Fixed, thank you --P

No. It's farfetched to lock him as scum based off of that. To feel the ignorance of the wagon and discussion of food is an artificial distraction is not. Scum love to distract. It's a good place to start none the less. Plus, the sooner we escape RVS the better.

Re: 98 - that was "calling out" Titus, not TSE. I dont think saying I called them out is a fair description though. It was meant to be kinda snarky to just point out that without reasoning I don't think the vote should be taken too seriously. Also, I think there's a difference between voting somebody without saying why and having a town lean on somebody without saying why.

[Karnage]

That’s fair

[Karnage]

Can the people who have provided reads/theories for scumteams and haven't explained the reasoning behind them do so :/

I don’t think Cheeky is but I do think Karnage could be.

@TSE

[Karnage]

At this point I'm only townreading Phoneix and Tap. We need more wagons or something.

I went back and looked at ph0enix's ISO and I probably judged him too harshly for his reaction to QQ.

What are you seeing from tap that makes him a town read?

[Karnage]

Your posts you made as a greater possibility of it being done by scum then that of Cheeky’s posts.

Elaborate

[Karnage]

QQ reminds me of DocWatson in Newbie 1952. Watson's first handful of posts were copied and pasted from a Hectic newbie game. I forget the why they did this but they were town. QQ's posts, though not the same thing, give me a similar vibe which is why I'm not prepared to make any decision about their alignment yet

[Karnage]

Nothing they did ping me.

\
I meant elaborate on why my posts make you think i'm more likely to be scum

[Karnage]

I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest.

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

VOTE: Titus

why?

[Karnage]

VOTE: Titus

why?

Cheeky's been voting me since RVS and had a pretty static read there. He's the "bad cop". He accuses me of being evil, no matter what. You meanwhile are saying that everything I do is ok, making you the "good cop".

is this the extent of you theory?

[Karnage]

Right now, yes.

VOTE: Karnage

Theory, Karnage Cheeky scumteam

can you show examples of "good cop"/"bad cop" from before 94?

[Karnage]

Your 64 is good cop. You're supposing I'm town and have players sucking up to me. This can interfere with natural town blocks. You starting from the supposition that I'm town and working outwards is good cop. You shouldn't know, at this point, that I am town.

Do you believe that post 64 is too early in the game to develop a town lean/read on somebody?

[Karnage]

No. I don't.

I do think it's too early for the strength you displayed.

The general concept though, no.

you're losing me here. the "strength" is displayed? I had a town lean on you. How was anything I said to that point stronger than your 55?

I'm ok tentatively placing you (ph0enix) as town based on the top post.

[Karnage]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

I dont know about their meta but I didn't like 205

[Karnage]

Scum is probably between TSE, Phoenix, Karnage, and Phi (Homura)

elaborate

[Karnage]

@LL, I like your entry.

Can you elaborate on why Cheeky is town? I don't see it.

pssst... Titus... you didn't respond to my 190

[Karnage]

Not in those words. Yet you treated me as if your lean was much stronger when you looked at someone's posting and assumed they were buddying me.

You're really stretching the facts to fit your narrative. The good(?) news is I no longer have a town lean on you.

[Karnage]

Would the players who willingly signed up for this game, just perhaps, like to play the game?

Would the player who willingly replaced into this game, just perhaps, like to respond to the post below?

Scum is probably between TSE, Phoenix, Karnage, and Phi (Homura)

elaborate

[Karnage]

UNVOTE:

there's a lot of new stuff I need to process...

[Karnage]

VOTE: Titus

TSE, I guess you're on translation duty.

Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest.

I just feel Karnage and Cheeky are doing good cop bad cop here. (Not cop roles but it's an interrogation tactic).

is this the extent of you theory?

Right now, yes.

If there's a real explanation of your theory coming, I'd like to see it. If you've fully explained it already, I'd like to know the purpose of 121

[Karnage]

I saw that post. I’m looking for the theory that you couldn’t initially express and needed time to flesh out.

Karnage good cop/cheeky bad cop could have been explained then and there. Why did you need the extra time to before sharing your theory?

Pedit: this is for Titus

[Karnage]

Unless you need a primer on what good cop bad cop is, I feel like I explained it well enough.

People can have tip of their tongue thoughts that we can't articulate.

@Homura, I am not so sure I agree this is outside TSE's scumgames.

i understand good cop/bad cop perfectly fine and yes you explained well enough so thats why this...
"Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest."
... doesn't make sense to me. Why were you unable to lay out good cop/bad cop to phoenix then? what about that wouldn't be clear?

[Karnage]

However, I feel TSE is lacking a certain engagement and drive that he has as town. That's why I feel he's not a top town read. I still think he's town but not as town as LL or Phoenix.

Where does the town read come from then?

[Karnage]

How many times are you two going to ask the same question before reading what I post? I've answered this three times, including in my first post in the game.

I'm asking you to go deeper into why you have the reads you do. You say these four players are in your scumbucket but you don't give any real reasons for why

[Karnage]

I don't know how else you want me to say exactly what I have been. Every other player in the game, I believe have shown signs of being town. These 4 players have not. Obviously not all 4 of them are scum, there are only 2 scum in this game. They are the 4 players that could be scum. Some of them I have reason to believe on scum, others are in there simply through process of elimination.

fair enough I guess

[Karnage]

If I need to be the lynch I'm ok with that in order to avoid a no lynch

[Karnage]

If I need to be the lynch I'm ok with that in order to avoid a no lynch

Is Titus still a Town Read for you?

No, she's been a scum read for a while now. Hence my vote

[Karnage]

I kinda want to vote cheeky now tbh but
intent to hammer.

I'm VT

[Karnage]

Not gonna lie I haven't been paying much attention to this game. I fully expected to be lynched by now so I checked out mentally.

That being said, at this point town's best course of action is to lynch me. I dont think we should risk trying to swing votes onto anybody else and potentially end up not lynching anybody. I've been tits on a bull so maybe I can at least help out by eating the mislynch.