Newbie 1988 | Octopus | Over

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Tapi

Hello

fresh blood

friends ^.^

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Damn lol I meant to strike through not underline.

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Never had tapioca before. Is it any good?

VOTE: Phi

Gut.

Strong enough gut ping for you to move off the rvs wagon prior to reaction from Tapi. Hmm.

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Also hi, Cheeky.

Hiya! What game did we play in? I have an old person's memory.

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Never had tapioca before. Is it any good?

VOTE: Phi

Gut.

Strong enough gut ping for you to move off the rvs wagon prior to reaction from Tapi. Hmm.

I can see a newbie mafia trying to cover up another mafia that way. But a SE player likely wouldn't be doing that, right?

What stance are you referring to? That Titus is scum with Topi?

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@titus & cheeky: what made you guys vote for me in particular?

I'll answer this with another question. Why do people vote at all in RVS?

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I just don’t think “Mafioso” comes to mind if there is a mafia PR.
Could be wrong though but I just think it’s 2 Goons if your Mafia.

This probably isn't the best time for setup spec.

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yeah, there were better ways for her to leave the wagon if she wanted to avoid suspicion on me

I like this.

VOTE: Titus

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Why would Titus even vote for Topi if she was mafia with him and then leave the wagon looking as suspicious as she does? A SE mafia wouldn't be doing that.I don't think Titus voting for Phi has to do with trying to get off the Topi wagon. She probably genuinely has a gut feeling that Phi is scum. But then again a SE town wouldn't be doing something which makes him look like a Mafia like this either. Titus isn't a definite mafia but isn't definite town either

I can see where you're coming from. I never assumed that Top/Titus were SvS just that I found it odd that as an SE Titus left the lead wagon before Top even reacted.

It looks like she just had a stronger read elsewhere but often when an RVS wagon grows the people who jump off are the most interesting. In this scenario it's more likely that Top is town and Titus is scum knowing Top's alignment. It's still early but I too am following my gut.

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this is a weird basis to vote titus on

I think you're going to find a lot of what I do weird, try to see beyond the surface of people's words and look for the intent. Votes can be used as tools for sorting prior to an actual lynch. Although the effectiveness is reduced once you spell it out.

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VOTE: QQ

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Dammit Titus you're too good. Omgus noted.

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Theory Titus, QQ scumteam.

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Karnage why are you townreading the two people voting you? It reads like you're placating them after a pretty average entrance >.>

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Ok can you please explain where those leans are coming from, particularly on Titus?

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Phi posted only once? Two goons versus PR/goon, one silent one talkative

Considering Phi Kappa silent pull info from

tapioca easy pull
karnage close enough to be sideways
lunar both silen
phoenix precise nervous
tse present similar opposite enough to be forgotten
titus blase but could be hiding more
cheeky further aloof

cheeky tapioca
cheeky karnage
cheeky lunar
cheeky phoenix
cheeky tse
cheeky titus
cheeky phi

titus lunar
titus phi ok combo
titus cheeky soso
titus karnage fed
titus phoenix lasso

lunar karnage / karnage lunar commodores

phoenix tapioca
titus tapioca karnage titus

I'm really confused about how you got here?

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He’s just giving buddy reads.
Whom he thinks are scum buddies

Yeah but based on what?

At this point I'm only townreading Phoneix and Tap. We need more wagons or something.

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Zzzz

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QQ you want to policy lynch Phoenix?

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I just feel Karnage and Cheeky are doing good cop bad cop here. (Not cop roles but it's an interrogation tactic).

so you townread everyone else?

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Um QQ someone breaking the rules is Not Alignment Indicative (NAI) therefore you are lynching them because you dislike something they have done rather than thinking they are scum which is pretty much what a policy lynch is.

Like I could policy lynch Titus because her reads are terrible (which is NAI) but I'm actually scumreading Titus because I feel her behaviour is more likely from scum. I think he votes so far are busy work rather than her actually ascertaining a read on players and her confidence in Cheeky/karnage being scum reads fake. Iirc Titus usually takes a while getting into the game so I think she knows people's alignments and is acting awkward scum. Now there's just the question of who is her partner...

QQ you need to do more than be nonsensical and try to actually figure out the intent of what players are doing. Like is rule breaking more likely to come from scum and why? Why would town perpetrate the same behaviour?

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I just feel Karnage and Cheeky are doing good cop bad cop here. (Not cop roles but it's an interrogation tactic).

so you townread everyone else?

How TF did you reach that conclusion?

Can you please not interfere? Thanks.

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At this point I'm only townreading Phoneix and Tap. We need more wagons or something.

I went back and looked at ph0enix's ISO and I probably judged him too harshly for his reaction to QQ.

What are you seeing from tap that makes him a town read?

The Tap read is related to my Titus read. I like Tap's reaction to his wagon.

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Sigh.

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VOTE: Titus

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VOTE: Titus

why?

Cheeky's been voting me since RVS and had a pretty static read there. He's the "bad cop". He accuses me of being evil, no matter what. You meanwhile are saying that everything I do is ok, making you the "good cop".

Yeah that makes sense except why would we try to lynch you? If I were scum I'd be going for the noobs. This is just straight up reaching.

I've felt you were off since RVS and your reactions towards my push on you have been omgus and trying to justify said omgus. Like please, we both know you're much better than this.

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@Cheeky: You voting Titus automatically means that you are unvoting QQ. Why? Do you think his actions are such of a confused Townie of some sort? Or it's something else?

I found myself being a hypocrite. I accused him of policy lynching when I was scumreading him for making zero sense. I honestly have no idea what QQ is saying in his posts so pushing him isn't gleaning any further info in either direction.

From the perspective of him being scum he could be playing intentionally obtuse but I'm not sure how he intends to gain traction on his lynch with these antics.

From the perspective of town I still have no idea what he's doing.

What do you make of him?

As a side note I think Titus/TSE interactions are rather strange. I know scum SEs often hide behind the coaching charade.

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Breaking RVS is usually a good thing.

Sure you could say you were breaking RVS but "gut" doesn't really add additional value to the initial wagon momentum on a slot. I've already said that players jumping off wagons are often more suspicious than those jumping on in RVS, particularly so in this instance because you decided to follow "gut" prior to waiting for a reaction from Tap.

Where has that read even gone?

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@Cheeky, I have a theory I'm looking to test. If something changes my mind on that, I'll let you know.

Ok, can I have some insight into this or will that ruin it?

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I would imagine it's easier to pocket the newbtowns for lylo

Thank you for the lesson, so who am I pocketing for lylo?

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TSE what reads do you have atm?

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I think titus/cheeky is SvT (or very unlikely SvS)

Can you elaborate on this? Why is SvS and TvT ruled out?

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Wow nice entrance, I'm sold. Both on LL being town and TSE having no WIM because he's scum here.

VOTE: TSE

LL is this your first game of mafia?

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I suppose that explains why you present so eloquently. WIM is Want It More, in the context of my usage I would translate as "passion" or "enthusiasm"

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I have played with TSE and have found that he's a very

passionate

player as town. He hasn't been hitting the right notes for me this game to townread him as yet so why not poke the bear?

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

What is their scum meta?

+1

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So I've voted both Titus and TSE and both have scumread me in return. Tap TR is strengthened by the timing of their vote on me although I do not understand their logic.

I'm currently at:

Tap, LL, Phoenix
Homura, Lunar, QQ
Titus, TSE

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Rereading Lunar ISO I think I could lean scum there, there's far less content than I remembered. Also find it suspicious that she automatically assumed Titus vs Tap was SvT when I highlighted Titus moving off the wagon.

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Saw TSE and Phoenix as town while spectating. Will reread the game more carefully tomorrow; not feeling mafia right now.

Are you feeling mafia yet?

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If this is true, why not bring it up before I entered the game?

I suspected TSE prior to your entry but when you pointed out his bizzare rolefishing with Lunar that strengthened them. TSE/Lunar unlikely SvS imo.

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Tap, LL, Phoenix
Homura, Lunar, QQ
Titus, TSE

Oh I forgot Karnage will skim his ISO in a bit.

Pedit: what? Why is Phoenix scum?

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Oh wait LL replaced Lunar hmm.

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Well at least I can understand Crush. You're probably town as newbies tend to scumread me.

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Phoenix is the second scum btw.

Great, you went from a null read on me in 221 to outright calling me scum in 228. What made you change your opinion so suddenly? There's literally an hour and a half between the two posts. I doubt my 224 is the thing that swayed you. If you are straight up calling someone scum, you might as well explain why. I'm not buying the whole "I don't wanna split the wagon" thing. The desire to quickly lynch someone and move on to D2 also doesn't make much sense. Considering that 1 or even 2 people are about to be replaced, wouldn't it be a better idea to wait for them first? I mean, you either want active players and will wait for the replacements or you just want to get this day over with, you cannot have it both ways.

VOTE: LL

This is an average vote.

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@Cheeky: Could you elaborate a bit more on your readslist in 223?

Same goes for TSE's townreads.

And LL's "scumbucket".

Sure:

Tap's initial reactions to their wagon was fine. They have posts that look like town sorting with no real agenda or attempt to look towny.
LL had a great entrance and again looks like she is sorting the game. Im not a fan of her predecessor but I think in general it reads like she doesn't know peoples alignments.
Phoenix just reads pure, the frustrated tone is pretty hard to fake as scum ime.

I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.

It's funny that Titus and I have similar reads yet we scumread each other. I'm probably least confident in my read there.

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Cheeky, would you say that you are someone that's easy to convince/too agreeable? Because you have voted for a lot of players D1 and to me it feels like you're trying to catch every wave that might hit the shore. Do you really think LL's post was that good to immediately let go of your Titus vote?

The voting thing is my way of sorting, I'm predominantly a reaction test player. Im not really a fan of you accusing me of trying to lynch everyone when it's pretty obvious that's not what im doing. I have been accused of both tunnelling and voting too much which is lol.

I feel like you're asking leading questions that are intended to be rhetorical.

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Also don't like this, saw someone post something along the lines of 'why would we lynch you (SE) instead of going for noobies, didnt like that either. Its a really easy way to completely kill what someone is saying, it might be true in a sense but it isnt cooperative at all.

How am I not cooperating? It's an actual thing that people who don't know me vote and me early are greater than rand town. I actually differentiated between two newbies in a recent newbie game I stomped because of their approaches to me. I liked you going for me at first but now it just feels like you're attempting to steam roll me based on the suspicion already surrounding my slot.

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Yes the first one is definitely a leading question, and probably not a very informative one. As for the partial answered 2nd question, could you give your thoughts on the reactions your votes have given you? Who do you want to lynch?

I townread Tap's approach to me and have already talked about how I didn't like Titus and TSEs reactions to my pushes there.

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I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.

What's your read of me, Cheeky?

I didn't even know you existed until now so null.