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At work. Will post later.

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@LunarRest

Are you scum this game?

Only one way to find out!

VOTE: LunarRest

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And in case it’s brought up.
Yes I never signed up for this game.
But I received a Rolecard for a game. And I play ALL games. Ain’t none I don’t play unless I’m force replaced out.

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Hello everyone. 2 votes on me already!

Dang your more popular then me this game...

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hello everyone. 2 votes on me already!

Dang your more popular then me this game...

I only hope a mafioso would end up more popular than I am.

“Mafioso”?

Hmm.
There is Mafia Goon and a Mafia PR or Mafia Goon.

You said Mafioso which means two things.

Your Town who made a sorta Town slip like this.
Or
Your mafia who unintentionally revealed the setup to be 2 Mafia Goons.

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Never had tapioca before. Is it any good?

VOTE: Phi

Gut.

Strong enough gut ping for you to move off the rvs wagon prior to reaction from Tapi. Hmm.

I mean I don't really have any reactions other than 'it's weird titus started my wagon then immediately left it' but i'm getting a nullread from that

Never had tapioca before. Is it any good?

VOTE: Phi

Gut.

Strong enough gut ping for you to move off the rvs wagon prior to reaction from Tapi. Hmm.

I can see a newbie mafia trying to cover up another mafia that way. But a SE player likely wouldn't be doing that, right?

yeah, there were better ways for her to leave the wagon if she wanted to avoid suspicion on me

@titus & cheeky: what made you guys vote for me in particular?
@titus: why did you switch off of me so quickly?

I get this.
But you also have to consider they made an actual vote on a post they didn’t see to fond off. Or at least it looks that way to me. Thus they said “gut” and voted it.
They voted you randomly and voted the other player based on their post.
I don’t want this to be something it’s not.
It’s in no way scum motivated nor is it Town motivated.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I get this.
But you also have to consider they made an actual vote on a post they didn’t see to fond off. Or at least it looks that way to me. Thus they said “gut” and voted it.
They voted you randomly and voted the other player based on their post.
I don’t want this to be something it’s not.
It’s in no way scum motivated nor is it Town motivated.

true
maybe, but I'm not certain of that, which is why I asked
so it'd be null/NAI, yeah? would it be bad to

use the two interchangably?

WDYM by

Bolded

?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hello everyone. 2 votes on me already!

Dang your more popular then me this game...

I only hope a mafioso would end up more popular than I am.

“Mafioso”?

Hmm.
There is Mafia Goon and a Mafia PR or Mafia Goon.

You said Mafioso which means two things.

Your Town who made a sorta Town slip like this.
Or
Your mafia who unintentionally revealed the setup to be 2 Mafia Goons.

What? I was hoping that it's a person from the Mafia organization who gets voted and not me. I don't know if "Mafioso" only means goons here.

I just don’t think “Mafioso” comes to mind if there is a mafia PR.
Could be wrong though but I just think it’s 2 Goons if your Mafia.

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I could be wrong but I think Karnage Scum = Ph0enix Town

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They are voting the same person and Ph0’s response to Karnage didn’t feel like scum theatre.

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I could be wrong but I think Karnage Scum = Ph0enix Town

They are voting the same person and Ph0’s response to Karnage didn’t feel like scum theatre.

I'm not following your logic

What don’t you understand?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What don’t you understand?

I don't understand why, if you think I'm scum, you haven't moved your vote

When did I say you were scum?

This brings me back to what don’t you understand?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

When did I say you were scum?

This brings me back to what don’t you understand?

I thought 68 implied you were scum reading me but I guess I was wrong

How is this misunderstanding happening with a player who has a join date older than mine unless it is a perspective slip? I'm not sure on this and I kinda want backup.

This post brought a lot to the table, thanks /s

All Good.
You understand what I was saying now right?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Karnage

Theory, Karnage Cheeky scumteam

I don’t think Cheeky is but I do think Karnage could be.

VOTE: Karnage

[TrueSoulEnergy]

LunarRest¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-03-02 03:13:00) to post before I start looking for a replacement because the timer runs slower on weekends.

If anyone knows LR.
Tell them to post.
I’d like more content from that slot.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You are only allowed to communicate with each other about this game in the topics I've created. When you get a PM on MafiaScum, it sends you an email, so we will wait for LunarRest to check their email.

My apologies.

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Can the people who have provided reads/theories for scumteams and haven't explained the reasoning behind them do so :/

I don’t think Cheeky is but I do think Karnage could be.

@TSE

Your posts you made as a greater possibility of it being done by scum then that of Cheeky’s posts.
I also don’t see you two as a partner scum team.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Phi posted only once? Two goons versus PR/goon, one silent one talkative

Considering Phi Kappa silent pull info from

tapioca easy pull
karnage close enough to be sideways
lunar both silen
phoenix precise nervous
tse present similar opposite enough to be forgotten
titus blase but could be hiding more
cheeky further aloof

cheeky tapioca
cheeky karnage
cheeky lunar
cheeky phoenix
cheeky tse
cheeky titus
cheeky phi

titus lunar
titus phi ok combo
titus cheeky soso
titus karnage fed
titus phoenix lasso

lunar karnage / karnage lunar commodores

phoenix tapioca
titus tapioca karnage titus

I’m curious about the Titus/Karnage
And why I can’t be
Titus/TSE or Karnage/TSE but I can be compared to Cheeky/TSE.

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TSE, I guess you're on translation duty.

Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest.

He’s just giving buddy reads.
Whom he thinks are scum buddies.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like potential scum buddies.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Your posts you made as a greater possibility of it being done by scum then that of Cheeky’s posts.

Elaborate

Nothing they did ping me.

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I wanna say QQ is Town from his recent content but I also haven’t played with them before.

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Then again re-reading it, it looks like shit.

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I just feel Karnage and Cheeky are doing good cop bad cop here. (Not cop roles but it's an interrogation tactic).

so you townread everyone else?

How TF did you reach that conclusion?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The diffrrence is the governing dynamics of the past experience with another participant which makes that game ongoing as it never ends, jt never ever ends

imagine how weak is to not auto lynch a player mentioning another finished game to another

that's what makes that different to karnage reference of a past memory of another player called watson who was a jailer , on how to reminiscence is not presence because you're both present and unconsciously recall and this discussion on technics is much more substantive than speculation

Why do you expect moderators to have an overwatch when quid custodiet custodies, who watches the watchmen

This is not even a thought experiment it's just common sense, now who gets malicious glee out of this from dumbfoundness because this game is ongoing cannot be talked about and your past game is still ongoing just like that famous line "everytime I get out, they pull me back in"

quote:
Discussion of Ongoing Mafia Games is Not Allowed

Recently we have had a spate of people discussing ongoing games. Though this has led to a record number of ongoing game bans, there may be a perception that there is some wiggle room when it comes to discussing ongoing games. This post is to tell you that there is not.

It does not matter if you are dead.
It does not matter if you don't think it will affect a game.
It does not matter if you aren't in the game.
It does not matter if you are posting about a game taking place on another forum or posting about an MS game on another forum.
It does not matter if you are moderating the game in question.

Discussing ongoing games by quoting or otherwise referring to an ongoing game is forbidden. There is no clever way around this rule. Don't try.

If you are unsure whether something violates the rule against discussing ongoing games, please don't hesitate to contact a listmod.

Why don’t you just say.
“I want to be a Mod because I never get anything else in my life”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like @QQ
This is a FM game.
Don’t treat it as anything else.

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TSE, I guess you're on translation duty.

Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest.

I think Scum!QQ means Scum!Titus
And Titus is coaching QQ.

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TSE, I guess you're on translation duty.

Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest.

I think Scum!QQ means Scum!Titus
And Titus is coaching QQ.

Go ahead and elaborate. I would never coach someone to be that obtuse ever. I also oddly don't think QQ is scum independent of my theory. I just think it helps to lay out the groundwork of even bad theories so faulty premises can be corrected.

Why do you think QQ scum means I am coaching him? Do you think QQ is scum or not? Why would I coach someone to post word salad in a newbie game, when that would likely lead to them getting lynched?

I was just thinking that maybe someone told a newbie to sound so whack to the point barely anyone understood what they were doing/saying.
Doing something completely out of the FM frame.

So then I was looking back to see who it was who was saying “oh you can understand them?”
As I feel if QQ is scum being coached it’s someone who responds like that.

It just turned out that you said it. That’s all.

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TSE, I guess you're on translation duty.

Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest.

I think Scum!QQ means Scum!Titus
And Titus is coaching QQ.

Go ahead and elaborate. I would never coach someone to be that obtuse ever. I also oddly don't think QQ is scum independent of my theory. I just think it helps to lay out the groundwork of even bad theories so faulty premises can be corrected.

Why do you think QQ scum means I am coaching him? Do you think QQ is scum or not? Why would I coach someone to post word salad in a newbie game, when that would likely lead to them getting lynched?

I was just thinking that maybe someone told a newbie to sound so whack to the point barely anyone understood what they were doing/saying.
Doing something completely out of the FM frame.

So then I was looking back to see who it was who was saying “oh you can understand them?”
As I feel if QQ is scum being coached it’s someone who responds like that.

It just turned out that you said it. That’s all.

I understand that theory but I feel that violates the newbie queue and the spirit of it.

First, it tells newbies that being unreadable and confusing is a good way to get what they want. It sets newbies up for failure in the long run. This is the place to grow and learn. I'd coach a newbie to say off the wall things and do off the wall strategies but not be deliberately obtuse. This is for getting to know your style in mafia. If an SE was coaching that style, they should be reprimanded.

Second, it tells newbies that their strength of charisma doesn't matter, all that matters is the gimmick and who knows whom. Not a good example to set.

Third, it limits the reaction the SE could have to the slot. The SE can't suddenly understand the gimmick unless the gimmick changes.

It's just a bad strategy all the way around.

Ah.
Fair Point.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

SE hat: Newbies, look over this type of exchange TSE and I had. Regardless of alignment (I don't know TSE's alignment), this is a good interaction. He calmly put forth his theory, I answered. He (probably) listened. This gives somewhat of an indication of both our alignments. Go ahead and post any theory you want feedback on. Feel free to critique my weak theory too. My theory is no more right or wrong because I am an SE. I care more about you guys enjoying this game and learning than I do winning. I assure you, I am doing my best as either alignment. Anything else doesn't help you.

[/SE hat]

As an SE we wish to hope to make Newbies into site regulars.
Allowing them to enjoy an amazing FM experience.
To improve and have fun doing it.
To become part of this amazing community and grow to become an extraordinary player.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Proding.
Losing interest In this game.
Hopefully I can regain interest tonight so I can play properly.

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Prodging*

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Saw TSE and Phoenix as town while spectating. Will reread the game more carefully tomorrow; not feeling mafia right now.

I feel yeah.

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

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I honestly didn’t read the case on me. I’ll read it later.
But the fact that someone made a case on me looking at all my day 1 lynched newbie games (which is like almost all of them)
It is mainly town on my wagon. And they had a good push on me.

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I have played with TSE and have found that he's a very

passionate

player as town. He hasn't been hitting the right notes for me this game to townread him as yet so why not poke the bear?

No because I haven’t been paying that much attention to this game.
Hopefully that can change and I’ll pay more attention later.

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

What is their scum meta?

Sheepyish.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I've pretty much caught up on the DP. I'm going to be heading to sleep soon though. My preliminary thoughts are as follows (These were all notes being posted in the order I took them):

- Leaning scum on TSE. If TSE is scum, we are playing setup A or B. #30 likely to come from scum within a PR mafia that is looking for town to hint that the Goon + Goon theory is wrong. Any town that knows the setup is not C would only know so because they are a power role.
-- Further, in my initial reading, an again in my rereading, while I agree that the usage of "mafioso" could be a town slip (LR is a new player using the lingo he is used to, if the official lingo for mafioso on MS is Mafia Goon, then the term mafioso wouldn't be at the forefront of a new scum's mind when referring to mafia), I highly dislike it being called a "sorta" townslip. Either he believes it's a townslip or not. To even call this out as a town slip is rather acute analysis, and as town I believe he would read it more strongly. As mafia, he is incentivized to avoid heavily establishing townies as innocent. The whole post feels artificially constructed such for the reasons listed above, but also so that in event of a mislynch he can come back and say he read LR as a town early on in order to try and get town cred.
- Leaning town on QQ. This sort of play, in my experience, never comes from a truly new player. He either has experience on MS and is an alt account who actually shouldn't be in the game, or he has off-site experience. Either way, he's either trolling or actually trying to win. If he's trolling then it isn't work reading him. If he's trying to win, then there is a rationale behind his post. [I'm redacting the rest of my notes here as it is more beneficial to mafia than town.]

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Follow-up on TSE

- I dislike #31 and #35.
-- #31, TSE appears to be consistently avoiding taking a stance. Sure, it's the earliest stages of the game where reads are weakest, but that is even more reason for town to pursue their gut reads in order to generate discussion and establish behavioral reads. Mafia benefits from leaving as many doors open by avoiding a static advocacy. In my experience, players who stay light on their feet are more often mafia than town. As town, players are less likely to even consider the need to change their views until a reason to do so is presented. As a figure of speech, they navigate through the DP with their feet more firmly planted.
-- #35 Let's break down his logic. TSE claims that if there is a mafia PR listed in the mafia pm, then it would not be normal for a player who has read that mafia pm to use the term, "Mafioso." This is because, while "mafioso" may be their default lingo when referring to mafia, this would be subconsciously replaced by the specified name for the mafia role provided in the role pm. Therefore, either (1) there is no mafia power role in the mafia pm, or (2) LR is town and has not read the mafia pm. (1) is a faulty deduction because even lacking a power role, the mafia pm should still state that the players are mafia goons, and that specified name for the mafia players would still override "mafioso" in LR's subconscious. As TSE is an SE player, it's possible that he has made this logical mistake before in the past. If he can go through his own meta and show an instance in which he's done so as town, I would read this as NAI. Absent a case of him having done this before as town, it feels like artificial analysis and he looks like scum to me.

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- Titus is probably town. Of all players in the game, they have shown the most consistent conviction in their reads and development thereof. Even when people cling to RVS, Titus is trying to progress the game so that the town have substantive interactions to build reads off of.

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- Cheeky is also town; for similar reasons as Titus.

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- Scum is probably between TSE, Phoenix, Karnage, and Phi (Homura). Even though the Phi slot hasn't posted substance yet, I'm leaning town on everyone else so far so by PoE he's in this group. Reads can change later on, but I'm fine with a DP1 lynch of any of the above pending reasons to vote otherwise. As TSE is my strongest scumread atm, VOTE: TSE.

Fair.
And I’m actually not great at communicating.
I’m better at getting good reads/solves.

So you say you lean scum on Karnage yes?

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

I dont know about their meta but I didn't like 205

Wow nice entrance, I'm sold. Both on LL being town and TSE

having no WIM

because he's

scum here.

VOTE: TSE

LL is this your first game of mafia?

@CheekyTeeky

Elaborate on Bolded.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So I've voted both Titus and TSE and both have scumread me in return. Tap TR is strengthened by the timing of their vote on me although I do not understand their logic.

I'm currently at:

Tap, LL, Phoenix
Homura, Lunar, QQ
Titus, TSE

Why is Karnage absent on this list?

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Rereading Lunar ISO I think I could lean scum there, there's far less content than I remembered. Also find it suspicious that she automatically assumed Titus vs Tap was SvT when I highlighted Titus moving off the wagon.

Ok uh. You may be coming down with something known as “Amnesiac”

Because you just said you Town read LL.
Yet you scum read the person they replaced?

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Tap, LL, Phoenix
Homura, Lunar, QQ
Titus, TSE

Oh I forgot Karnage will skim his ISO in a bit.

Pedit: what? Why is Phoenix scum?

MK.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh wait LL replaced Lunar hmm.

MK.

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Ok so now just elaborate on Bolded LOL.

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Could be wrong about Cheeky Here.
Depending on the response they give.

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

What is their scum meta?

Sheepyish.

Could you give an example?

Spoiler:

I've pretty much caught up on the DP. I'm going to be heading to sleep soon though. My preliminary thoughts are as follows (These were all notes being posted in the order I took them):

- Leaning scum on TSE. If TSE is scum, we are playing setup A or B. #30 likely to come from scum within a PR mafia that is looking for town to hint that the Goon + Goon theory is wrong. Any town that knows the setup is not C would only know so because they are a power role.
-- Further, in my initial reading, an again in my rereading, while I agree that the usage of "mafioso" could be a town slip (LR is a new player using the lingo he is used to, if the official lingo for mafioso on MS is Mafia Goon, then the term mafioso wouldn't be at the forefront of a new scum's mind when referring to mafia), I highly dislike it being called a "sorta" townslip. Either he believes it's a townslip or not. To even call this out as a town slip is rather acute analysis, and as town I believe he would read it more strongly. As mafia, he is incentivized to avoid heavily establishing townies as innocent. The whole post feels artificially constructed such for the reasons listed above, but also so that in event of a mislynch he can come back and say he read LR as a town early on in order to try and get town cred.
- Leaning town on QQ. This sort of play, in my experience, never comes from a truly new player. He either has experience on MS and is an alt account who actually shouldn't be in the game, or he has off-site experience. Either way, he's either trolling or actually trying to win. If he's trolling then it isn't work reading him. If he's trying to win, then there is a rationale behind his post. [I'm redacting the rest of my notes here as it is more beneficial to mafia than town.]

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Follow-up on TSE

- I dislike #31 and #35.
-- #31, TSE appears to be consistently avoiding taking a stance. Sure, it's the earliest stages of the game where reads are weakest, but that is even more reason for town to pursue their gut reads in order to generate discussion and establish behavioral reads. Mafia benefits from leaving as many doors open by avoiding a static advocacy. In my experience, players who stay light on their feet are more often mafia than town. As town, players are less likely to even consider the need to change their views until a reason to do so is presented. As a figure of speech, they navigate through the DP with their feet more firmly planted.
-- #35 Let's break down his logic. TSE claims that if there is a mafia PR listed in the mafia pm, then it would not be normal for a player who has read that mafia pm to use the term, "Mafioso." This is because, while "mafioso" may be their default lingo when referring to mafia, this would be subconsciously replaced by the specified name for the mafia role provided in the role pm. Therefore, either (1) there is no mafia power role in the mafia pm, or (2) LR is town and has not read the mafia pm. (1) is a faulty deduction because even lacking a power role, the mafia pm should still state that the players are mafia goons, and that specified name for the mafia players would still override "mafioso" in LR's subconscious. As TSE is an SE player, it's possible that he has made this logical mistake before in the past. If he can go through his own meta and show an instance in which he's done so as town, I would read this as NAI. Absent a case of him having done this before as town, it feels like artificial analysis and he looks like scum to me.

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- Titus is probably town. Of all players in the game, they have shown the most consistent conviction in their reads and development thereof. Even when people cling to RVS, Titus is trying to progress the game so that the town have substantive interactions to build reads off of.

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- Cheeky is also town; for similar reasons as Titus.

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- Scum is probably between TSE, Phoenix, Karnage, and Phi (Homura). Even though the Phi slot hasn't posted substance yet, I'm leaning town on everyone else so far so by PoE he's in this group. Reads can change later on, but I'm fine with a DP1 lynch of any of the above pending reasons to vote otherwise. As TSE is my strongest scumread atm, VOTE: TSE.

Fair.
And I’m actually not great at communicating.
I’m better at getting good reads/solves.

So you say you lean scum on Karnage yes?

No. I'm more inclined to believe phoenix is scum than Karnage. My position is simple. I believe lynching DP1 is net positive to the town in comparison to no lynching, absent reason derived from the setup to no lynch. I have reason specific to each player not in my scum bucket to believe they are town. I'd rather lynch someone who has not shown themselves to be town than someone who has. Just because I'm willing to lynch someone does not mean I think that they are scum. Who would you like to lynch this dp?

Anyone who isn’t Tap, You, Titus or Phoenix. (Or me)

As those are my Town Reads.

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I’m liking Titus enthusiasm this game.
LL had a Townie entrance
Phoenix is contributioning quite a bit. In a more Townie way then scummy.
Tap’s interaction with me felt Genuine Town.

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@Cheeky: Could you elaborate a bit more on your readslist in 223?

Same goes for TSE's townreads.

And LL's "scumbucket".

Sure:

Tap's initial reactions to their wagon was fine. They have posts that look like town sorting with no real agenda or attempt to look towny.
LL had a great entrance and again looks like she is sorting the game. Im not a fan of her predecessor but I think in general it reads like she doesn't know peoples alignments.
Phoenix just reads pure, the frustrated tone is pretty hard to fake as scum ime.

I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.

It's funny that Titus and I have similar reads yet we scumread each other. I'm probably least confident in my read there.

I mean we also have similar reads.

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

I dont know about their meta but I didn't like 205

Wow nice entrance, I'm sold. Both on LL being town and TSE

having no WIM

because he's

scum here.

VOTE: TSE

LL is this your first game of mafia?

@CheekyTeeky

Elaborate on Bolded.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Re-read last night and digested a bit.

Think LL is hard-tunneling town. TSE is town. Cheeky is town. Titus is maybe town, but nebulous. QQ/Crush might be town, but I want to see content I can actually parse.

Earlier Phoenix townlean might be wrong. Lynchpool of {Karnage, Tapioca!slot, Phoenix}. Low confidence on most reads.

Could you elaborate on your Cheeky read?

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Ok I've somewhat caught up, haven't really got the chance to really analyze everything but I guess that will have to wait until D2 or later. So far I actually quite dislike a lot of slots, of which I dislike Cheeky the most. Cheeky, would you say that you are someone that's easy to convince/too agreeable? Because you have voted for a lot of players D1 and to me it feels like you're trying to catch every wave that might hit the shore. Do you really think LL's post was that good to immediately let go of your Titus vote?

The Homura slot had a lot of posts I can't really place in the early pages, a lot of fluff and I also really hate meta arguments especially in a noobie game. Tapio slot had some questionable posts and seems also easily swayed. Karnage is still kinda whatever to me. I do like the #201 but I dislike the fixedness in his reads, still I've seen some town players do this in the games I've played years ago and since I still do like the effort and analysis LL is a town lean for now. To me the Phoenix slot isn't that noteworthy right now, which make the early TR other players have given him (before like pag 10'ish, I will have to look up later who exactly these players were) strange to me. The only minor thing I dislike in this slot is the seriousness he used in approaching my slot. TSE feels meh to me, I didn't particularly like the 'mafioso' thing and I think the constant formation of teams on D1 isn't that relevant, feels like a way to add to your postcount without really contributing. I like Titus the most aside from LL, mainly because of the early interactions regarding the 'gut vote' and the good cop bad cop thing.

So for me now: town leaning LL, Titus. Mafia leaning: Tapio, maybe Homura, maybe TSE but mainly VOTE: Cheeky

I mean.
This is a good entrance.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah.
My vote on either Cheeky or Karnage today.

I don’t feel comfortable lynching anyone else today.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Re-read last night and digested a bit.

Think LL is hard-tunneling town. TSE is town. Cheeky is town. Titus is maybe town, but nebulous. QQ/Crush might be town, but I want to see content I can actually parse.

Earlier Phoenix townlean might be wrong. Lynchpool of {Karnage, Tapioca!slot, Phoenix}. Low confidence on most reads.

Could you elaborate on your Cheeky read?

Feel she's trying to sort and has been the most transparent spot in the game. She's elaborating on her reads and answering questions. Significant in a stagnant gamestate where it would be opportune for scum to blend in. Reads are in conflict, but considering the lack of content from most players that's to be expected.

Fair.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

I dont know about their meta but I didn't like 205

Wow nice entrance, I'm sold. Both on LL being town and TSE

having no WIM

because he's

scum here.

VOTE: TSE

LL is this your first game of mafia?

@CheekyTeeky

Elaborate on Bolded.

Cheeky still refuses to respond to this.
So until they do I’m never going to Unvote them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Cheeky

L minus 1

What made you move your vote from Karnage?

Deadline

We have a little over 2 days left no?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@LL
Looking over my recent posts.
What are your thoughts?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

I dont know about their meta but I didn't like 205

Wow nice entrance, I'm sold. Both on LL being town and TSE

having no WIM

because he's

scum here.

VOTE: TSE

LL is this your first game of mafia?

@CheekyTeeky

Elaborate on Bolded.

Cheeky still refuses to respond to this.
So until they do I’m never going to Unvote them.

This was answered days ago.

This is my first game on MS. I've played for a few years on the now defunt debate.org. It's been about a year or so since I've played, however. What's WIM?

I suppose that explains why you present so eloquently. WIM is Want It More, in the context of my usage I would translate as "passion" or "enthusiasm"

I have played with TSE and have found that he's a very

passionate

player as town. He hasn't been hitting the right notes for me this game to townread him as yet so why not poke the bear?

Ah. Must have missed it.

VOTE: Karnage

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@LL
Looking over my recent posts.
What are your thoughts?

I think you, among others, are giving Phoenix far too much towncred for "contributing" when I cannot find one single read he's given in his iso. Given my recent dig into his meta showing that he would rather disrupt wagons on new players by unvoting than let them build, and your town-read on Tapi, are you willing to believe that Phoenix not unvoting Tapi to stop the wagon, and instead asking Titus for their opinion on the wagon, looks at least partially SvT?

Your content is like that of Phoenix.
You guys are good posters.
The more I think of it. I suppose it isn’t a great reason to Town read them for.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok.
Now normally I’d Go Karnage but LL and Phoenix both share the same Playstyle.
(Main reason for my Phoenix read)
I’ve decided that I’d rather not both of them be here for Day 2.
It could cause unnecessary chaos regardless if TvT.
Take one of my newbies games for example.
Despite me being scum that was lynched Day 1. If I was Town and Luca and Koba were still town the game wouldn’t be favouring town.
Koba and Luca have similar play style.
So when they engaged and started to both scum read each other it created a bad environment that favours mafia.

Thus I don’t want a repeat of this as I got Town this game.

VOTE: Phe0nix

I’d like a Day 2 Karnage lynch though.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, are you scum? We literally kicked ass in a game where we didn't indulge this.

Which one? You V.S. Alisae?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

How am I rewarded for making the game less readable?

Getting the mislynch you want

Do you scum read LL Titus?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

There’s Def scum within (Karnage, Titus and Phe0nix)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Phoenix can you explain again why you prefer to abstain from EOD wagons again? I didn´t really get that part.

Also are Karnage and Cheeky replacing out? Dont remember them posting very much if at all for the last days.

@Non Imh, can you be a bit more elaborate about what you noticed this game so far?

Non doesn’t post that much content.
It’s his meta.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Official Vote Count 1.13

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

CheekyTeeky

(3): Non Imh, Crush, Titus

LuckyLuciano

(2): Homura, Ph0enix

Ph0enix

(1): LuckyLuciano

Titus

(1): Karnage

Karnage

(1): TrueSoulEnergy

TrueSoulEnergy

(1): CheekyTeeky

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-08 12:00:00).

Mod notes:

CheekyTeeky¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-03-09 04:00:00) to post before I start looking for a replacement.[/area]

Did
My
Ph0enix
Vote
Not
Go
Through?

Fixed. I think I forgot to update all the votes from the previous votecount. --P

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Phoenix

Looks like Phoenix is the lynch today barring a spectacular claim and a deep flash wagon which is exactly what I didn't want to happen.

You are voting me solely because I'm the most likely option for a lynch today?

At least 1 scum if not both within (Ph0enix, Titus and Karnage)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Phoenix

Looks like Phoenix is the lynch today barring a spectacular claim and a deep flash wagon which is exactly what I didn't want to happen.

You are voting me solely because I'm the most likely option for a lynch today?

Yup. We need to lynch. That's pretty standard. The deadline is in less than a day.

Not particularly fond of that reasoning, not gonna lie. Or the push in general, for that matter.

Fine, you win.

Claiming jailkeeper.

VOTE: Karnage

[TrueSoulEnergy]

A mislynch on someone gives town information to go off of and clear determination of who is right and who is wrong.

How? You mean solely the wagon or also something else?

See id disagree with Titus here.
It’s always best to lynch a scum read day 1.
I don’t really see the information to get off of you.
I voted you because I don’t really want to continue seeing the You and LL conflict.
When you guys have strong play styles and you need to work together to help solve better.
Regardless of each other’s alignments.
Eventually, it’ll become obvious as to if there is a scum within you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE is now a full blown scumread.

Elaborate.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Official Vote Count 1.15

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Karnage

(4): Non lmh, TrueSoulEnergy, Titus, LuckyLuciano

TrueSoulEnergy

(1): CheekyTeeky

Titus

(1): Karnage

CheekyTeeky

(1): Crush

LuckyLuciano

(1): Ph0enix

Not Voting

(1): Homura

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-08 12:00:00).

Mod notes:

@Plot, what's the policy for a deadline extension?

Given that over half of the players have been replaced this day phase, if most people want an extra couple days we could do that. Do most people want an extra couple days?

[/area]

IDC either way.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Extension please.

@Phoenix, I do support that theory. MS as a whole plays by that theory. To teach anything else is insane.

TSE saying he'd rather risk a No lynch is near a scumclaim on its own. Throw in he was doing it to deter the very Karnage wagon he's on, that screams distancing.

As for the theory itself, look at almost every finished in any queue. You should see someone getting lynched in 95 percent or more. It's the meta bc it works.

I never said to No Lynch.
If I did it was a spelling error.
Show me the post.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m the one that’s been on the Karnage wagon.
You’ve been hesitant about it Titus.
Why would I deter something I’m pushing?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If I need to be the lynch I'm ok with that in order to avoid a no lynch

Is Titus still a Town Read for you?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If I need to be the lynch I'm ok with that in order to avoid a no lynch

Is Titus still a Town Read for you?

No, she's been a scum read for a while now. Hence my vote

So who’s your Town Reads?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hello Wooper!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

hi TSE!
could you give me a quick rundown of your reads rn?

Sure.
LL - Town
Phe0nix - Claimed Jailkeeper
Non Lmh - Slight Town
Homura - Null Town

Scum within (Titus and Karnage)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think one of Titus/Karnage is scum and the other is Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Gah.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

OMG and that face on Cheeky’s Replacement!
It’s so cute!