Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Vote: Doobietime

Welcome have a vote.

So the lion is guilty. Interesting.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Word of advice kids. Drinking is bad. More thoughts later. Hangovers are the worst.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

their RVS comment about me feels awkward considering they voted elsewhere, and it's not clear from 55 whether they're read the thread or not. I think townies are slightly more likely to say whether they have or haven't read anything.

I hadn't read it and was going to between tonight/early morning. Hence my last post which if nothing else is NAI due to it being more of a "hey my activity sucks but this is why"

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Just reading some quick thoughts. I really don't like how ico just jumped on the wagon with no real reason in 49. It looks like almost to easily an opportunity to just drop a vote down. And just looks scummy to me. Granted lotus just seems a bit lost with not advancing but I don't know their knowledge thus far of the game. And how much mafia they've played.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

At least 52 sounds a lot better.

Lion - I disagree as town I read the games and try to catch up when I can. I didn't post here because of [Redacted] was nearing deadline and needed to catch up with that after a bad night of drinking but was prod dodging as well. Yes bad reasoning but what can we do.

I will say I hate lotus with the oh I was pushed to L-2 and scum wouldn't jump on it this early which just has me ask. Do. You think your wagon is scum driven then? Tiger gets me on that one it's like your sweating a bit over there.

Also. Lotus I disagree as any vote can make pressure regardless of the day or time. Everyone acts differently depending on even the slightest votes.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I don't see a scenario which Scum!Menalque would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a CC on the first day.

Do you ?

I do but not for any reason you have claimed. Personally I have an FOS on them just for doing what they did. Personally what does town gain my someone fake claiming a pr? Scum it makes sense to throw people off the case. Maybe it's the old person in me talking when I say that but it just doesn't sit right with me at all.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I don't see a scenario which Scum!Menalque would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a CC on the first day.

Do you ?

I do but not for any reason you have claimed. Personally I have an FOS on them just for doing what they did. Personally what does town gain my someone fake claiming a pr? Scum it makes sense to throw people off the case. Maybe it's the old person in me talking when I say that but it just doesn't sit right with me at all.

Hum, no. If you do, you probably never played with

Menalque

or watched one of his games.

This is my only other time coming back in roughly a year plus. So no I don't know his games. Either way I don't care for it. I'm not one to go digging thru metas as well. Personally I think the claim comes off as arrogant.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So instead of actually engaging and talking thru the line of thinking you post a gif. Thanks for that because we're making progress with this.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

An excuse of what?
Maybe I come from a different time where town shouldn't ever claim a PR day one even or risk of a CC to out someone. Even a VT to CC it is a risky play. Call it an excuse, call it what you want. I dunno maybe I prefer scum not knowing what prs there are and who they are in games. So yes it call it arrogance. Maybe it's a bluff to call out and direct a shot at them. Right now it just rubs me the wrong way and granted it could come from a town mindset it still doesn't change my line of thought.

Pedit: So you don't discuss lines of reasoning? So should I ignore your posts from now on since you won't discuss lines of reasoning?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I can feel a degree of honesty in your lines, but I don't empathize with such view.

It is beneficial for a VT to bluff being PR, as long as the player has significant notoriety and knows what he is doing. It is not logical for him to do this as scum precisely because of my presence in the game.

He would not take a while to be lynched (not to mention that I have 3 possible associations in mind for this scenario).

This line bothers me. You act like I know who you are? Or anyone else in this game. This is the kind of stuff that I hate. It's almost like I should know who you are. Is how you are making this claim. This is the kind of stuff I hate. It feels like you are making a meta claim but hell I don't even know anymore.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

why do you show so much resistance to the simple conclusion that Menalque is a mason and is trying to solve the game ?

This is what I didn't understand. Aside it all make sense now from your pov. Thanks for the clarification. Why did I show so much because honestly I'm an idiot sometimes and didn't read much into the setups. Yeah blame me this was a game to help me get back into the flow of games. I normally hang out in open setups on that note knowing what is happening.

Thanks for entertaining myself. On this one. Now that I understand the whole picture I'm a bit sorry for going off on that note. And solving the game on day one just seems like someone is lining up lynches which can go sideways pretty quickly is all.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Its not the not pressuting or not voting but rather the fence sitting.

What fence am I sitting on? I've said that the lack of an initial rvs vote isn't a bad thing.

I myself want to know the answer to this. The vote and posts have read as town to me thus far and I'm not seeing the cause for concern.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

the real thought here is rather:

if mena is scum, why would he wanna do this?
if mena is town, why would he wanna do this?

it makes no sense from either allignment

This is my whole issue with this.
Why the hell do you claim on D1? Are we Playing 200 iq game or something for a crazy gambit?
The only thing I can see if this is town sided is to have a NK used on him to make it so the prs can safe claim tomorrow and we have almost two confirmed ICs using this logic

Mafia sided you flush out the prs or try to for a CC claim. Either way this is not good but scummy from either side and pays into

LYL, lynch all liars.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

First off, LYL is overrated and will catch town at least equally as much as scum. Thinking town doesn't lie is just wrong. I'm not advocating town to lie, au contraire. But the sad sad truth is what it is.

I never said they don't. And of course it will. I'm not saying it's fool proof or doesn't come from its own flaws.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

One word.
From this bad claim.
Y/N Menalque Scum?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Just going to call this like I do every game. Lists are worthless. This is turning into WIFOM from Mena.
Every post is looking worse then the last. Fake claim or not. I don't like it nor the reasoning
VOTE: Menal

The only gain to claim is protect the actual masons.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

2. Is completely correct and gives scum more about the setup then they know.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I don't see how this is town sided at all. There was no pressure aside to kill that slot? Even all we do is get an IC for D2 if he isn't lying. But what about if he is and wanted to try this crazy gambit

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Excellent, so Elmo is outed scum from his reaction

From a reaction that you have to claim something 5 posts in the game. Get out.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I love how lotus just jumped off the wagon.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Not to be a bitch. But can you not refer to me as a he. Kthx. Trivial but it's really just getting under my skin.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

This game is making my head hurt just from the last few pages

[Elmo TeH AzN]

terminology and abbreviations everyone is using here are foreign to me

What terms?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

PoE: Process of Elimination
(term)!(term) is mostly meta related on how people are looking compared from one game to another.
SSS I am not sure about.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

For the moment, I'll go with VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN: as others have pointed out, she seemed to get unduly flustered by Menalque's SR of her.

In a game of mafia information is key. The less scum have the less they know about the setup.
So you are saying I shouldn't have lost it over someone claiming a PR to lure a NK and then ousting a PR for nothing?

Not sure where you have played but I come from the old times where this was just ignorant to do. You just did nothing to help the town with it. And it's more the surface level on why I got frustrated.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Riddle me this. Why are we solving this game on day one?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Riddle me this. Why are we solving this game on day one?

Isn't the point of the game to solve it? Why wouldn't we start on day one?

Not what I'm getting at its the fact that why are we talking about PoE with no info other then subtle reads and no conf towns is all.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm glad someone gets my line of thinking here

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm sorry guys. I really am. I just had a bombshell hit my life rather two. So sorry in advance.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Why are we lining up lynches?
And calling a policy lynch?

I'm just trying to understand this logic.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

. No, my vote doesn't work like that. I'll be hammering or putting someone on L-1 today

...why?

To see how the votes would manifest without the influence of my vote.

In our last game, voting early ended up hurting my playstyle in some ways. I plan to fix that now.

This post bothers me in so many ways. But it's a play style thing I'm guessing. With not many votes being put and it's a towns biggest asset you want people to sheep behind you and follow your train of thought and put votes down and see how a wagon forms. This just screams scummy like lemme hide under the radar and play town as Puppets.

Why are we lining up lynches?
And calling a policy lynch?

I'm just trying to understand this logic.

I don't like your attitude of questioning everything we do. It seems like a mindset that is more inclined to emphasize the problem than the solution.

Ngl, I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. I agree with you on a personal level, but I think this is more of a meta/playstyle difference rather than alignment difference.

If there's anything mafia has taught me. You don't line up lynches. You assess data and reassess data. I'm sorry I'm not one to follow someone blindly like you are already wanting. Personally I think armchair quarterbacking the town is the exact opposite of what we need to do.
VOTE: clidd

I really hate how these two posts work. I'll be hammering or L-1 so your vote does nothing but you would FOS instead. It's almost like you want to coast to the end.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I appreciate how you put yourself in a position to criticize others, but you don't take a position to help the game.

Quite the opposite I just want to hear more from other people. I'd like to see more votes for a VCA and other things. Useful for later in the game. Just the way this games been playing out feels like the meta is 100% different from the last time I played here is all. Note I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

Also why the hell was Lotus' slot just emphasizing the setup? Now that I think about it.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Honestly I'm not getting a ton of scumvibes from anything major so far, I thought the push on Atarashi was overall worth probing but I don't think Atarashi comes off as scummy in the follow up. 72offsuit came to the wagon a little late and I'm curious to hear their answer to my question but I also don't think they're particularly scummy either.

I'll
VOTE: Elmo the AzN

their RVS comment about me feels awkward considering they voted elsewhere, and it's not clear from 55 whether they're read the thread or not. I think townies are slightly more likely to say whether they have or haven't read anything.

Hm, missed this first time round. Have to agree with this read.
+ Scum points to Elmo here

It was more a prod dodge then anything...

[Elmo TeH AzN]

In all fairness if they do not pick the prod up I will hammer them just so a replacement doesn't come into the slot to die.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

ok if that's your stance

UNVOTE:

What other stance is there? As someone who's replaced into slots before only to die within 24 hrs I find it a bit bleh to not.

Pedit: In all fairness people have lives. Also activity shouldn't tell sides which side they are leaning on but what do I know.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

ok if that's your stance

UNVOTE:

What other stance is there? As someone who's replaced into slots before only to die within 24 hrs I find it a bit bleh to not.

Pedit: In all fairness people have lives. Also activity shouldn't tell sides which side they are leaning on but what do I know.

What other stance? How about trying to sort the slot based on actual activity and content rather then 'oh i'll just hammer so we definitely can't have any more content from that slot'

Little over 3 days. 20+ pages. Unless we got a deadline which Im not sure you can get in newbie games but I could be wrong. Its a shame too.

Also So you tell us you take risks but that doesn't prove anything. Are you telling us you meta and then going to try to curb it? I don't get it. Meta can be changed and faked even just looking at your join date not knowing anything else.

I'm holding my vote for now. I don't want to use it early.

Evidently I'll be following your lead, so you don't have to worry about that.

Are you afraid of using your vote? Why? The fact that you have held your vote and just "played it safe" This is slightly worrying

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I don't understand how anyone is saying quick hammer. You are all putting words there I never had said.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Seriously I said

IF THEY GET REPLACED

I wish people would read what I said and understand this. As I've been a person who's replaced into games just to die 10 posts later.

Yes it's happened in newbie games.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

The fact that you have to add a gif of Hmmm. Yeah I should have stayed away.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

No, you clearly said 'if they don't pick up their prod' I will hammer them. Did you use the word quickhammer ? No. But the act of hammering upon not picking up prod with 3 days (which is a lot) is in fact a quickhammer.

Justifying this with 'sparing the feelings of a player' is meaningless, because this is mafia after all. Even if a replacement only gets to post a couple times, it will be valuable for everyone upon flip.

1. Its not.
2. Its still not.
3. Once again if we don't get a replacement OR A DEADLINE EXTENSION. I didn't see the point of having a 3rd person just replace in to because at the time.

They were L-1

But what do I know. The simple fact that you have to use the word "quickhammer" irks me since that was never said at all.
The act of hammering for not picking up a prod to save the mod some trouble to be nice and find a replacement. I'm glad we're drawing lines in the sand now. And the act of lynching someone who is clearly not picking up a prod.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

Town logic is great sometimes. Because I'm saving the mod some effort you want to policy? This game.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

Town logic is great sometimes. Because I'm saving the mod some effort you want to policy? This game.

No. You want to lynch a slot before it has the chance to post. That's scummy. Period.

No its called moving on with the game. The point is moot though.
Lynch a spot that's said and done nothing with this game. Yet everyone was calling for the spot to be killed a few days ago when the person went AWOL. So it's scummy that I wanted the game to move on?
Seriously the logic behind this is such a fallacy I don't get it.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Maybe I want the game to move at a reasonable pace and am just tired of replacements? Its a bit much to have one spot be replaced 3x. Hate to tell you this.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I won't lie I've paid little attention to this game.
Doobie isn't this your first mafia game?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Right now I'm just following up on information. And making sure I got my ducks in a row. I've had a lot on my mind not mafia related.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

Town logic is great sometimes. Because I'm saving the mod some effort you want to policy? This game.

No. You want to lynch a slot before it has the chance to post. That's scummy. Period.

No its called moving on with the game. The point is moot though.
Lynch a spot that's said and done nothing with this game. Yet everyone was calling for the spot to be killed a few days ago when the person went AWOL. So it's scummy that I wanted the game to move on?
Seriously the logic behind this is such a fallacy I don't get it.

Note less then 24 hours after their 1st post their head is already being served up. This is comedy. Regardless of the flip.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

VOTE: jormen

[Elmo TeH AzN]

vc

I just want it on the record that I knew you were waiting for this and let you take it

This was the best post I've read so far this game.

Interesting though they didn't go for a the mason claim.

Ill read thru the day 1 bs later.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

If its not doobie, then its elmo.
Zero town cred for hammering when clidd was also going to hammer.
Furthermore was going to deny us the replacement through threatening with a quickhammer on esqylootz, which would have denied us scums fake dying FoS list.

Hi pot. I'm now a kettle.
Someone explain what just happened? This game went less then 24 hrs and we had a hammer. Lolwut

[Elmo TeH AzN]

You give half the thread an opportunity to not reply. And yeah it's a hammer.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

doobie

72

Elmo

walrus

CAGE FIGHT GO

Can I just watch the other two townies fight in this one?

Doobie was scummy as so i hammered so we wouldnt waver

So Green flip you dead tomorrow?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

so who in the cage fight is scum exactly for you?

Walrus just joined the wagon early.
72 trying to get town cred now?
This wagon came way too quick for my liking honestly. It's almost as if we had a cop. And then you are telling me that scum never join wagons quickly for town credit.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm calling this the game of gambits with newbscum.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Right now I don't know what to think. This game just took a turn.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

But I hope your weekend was good

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Right now I don't know what to think. This game just took a turn.

what turn?

The real turn is apparently Doobie wasn't hammered????

omg I'm a dumbass, the L-1 vote was 72. So he trolled me real good.

I think the whole thread got trolled but you know this is mafia.

Pedit: wanna tunnel me harder?
Menal is obv town it hurts.
2. I tend to move my votes around a lot and I did it because the man claimed to never put a vote down.
3. I wanted a free weekend of mafia. Glad to know thats how this works and deadline.
4. Oh honey. That's you after this gambit.

Because you just lining up them lynches now arent you?
VOTE: 72
Once again the game of gambits.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm on mobile most times. Get used to it

[Elmo TeH AzN]

can you guys fight and talk about the important bits like how Elmo kept pushing that lynch/hammer but people like me were giving him crap over it?

You know. I'd refer you to something but I can't at the moment in why I pushed for that lynch. And would have 100/100 times in any other game.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

The whoever had been replaced 3x in the end. This shows how much attention to that slot. After the first and second replacement I'm really shocked they were filled so quickly. But it just turns into saving the mod time to die a replacement because it's annoying as fuck. To always be replacing someone.

1. Why waste time on a town consensus?

2. Why not what else am I going to do with it?

3. Exactly and you pull a reaction test in less then 24 hrs into it.

4. I'm saying it's trying to get towncred since you are pretty low on a lot of lists dear.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I've disregarded no one with the exception of Menal. This game has just been very weird looking at it from it nk to the claims to just where we stand now.
It's paper tossing

[Elmo TeH AzN]

1. You sound like you are hard-claiming scum here.
2. Actually put pressure on the most scummy slot. Which definitely wasn't clidd.
3. And your conclusion/analysis of this is?
4. Probably the only thing that you have said in these posts that makes any sense from a townie's point of view.

1. You know I get this a lot. And I think you should look into the mirror more.

2 So your good with someone holding their vote for no reason then? And not wanting to vote on anyone? Sorry chief. That's not my style. We play different styles.

3. Another gambit of this thread. The fact that you have to tunnel me now reminds me of old scum metas.

4. Have you ever replaced into a slot that just gets lynched before? I've done it quite a few times.


A. This game makes me rethink everything on a daily basis. I don't get why you are still alive after the night with a claim. It doesn't add up at all.

Any game where even as a fake hammer mess then 24 hrs in would get this reaction. I was waiting for the gg flip.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

The fact that I'm called a noobie honestly hurts.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I've disregarded no one with the exception of Menal. This game has just been very weird looking at it from it nk to the claims to just where we stand now.
It's paper tossing

It doesnt make sense then, as to why did you not mention doobie at all when asked about the players put in the cage

Have they chimed in yet? No.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Why are we going back to the cage?
Your right. Maybe I'm not focused on that since I've been attacked by you all day. And it's slightly annoying as fuck. I'm also a little tired at the moment and hitting hr 10 and didn't sleep well last night. But this thread is a nice read.

Once again I'll defend my hammer yesterday but eh.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Elmo has a Join date of 2011, mustve confused game experience with another slot.

I was here before that date but the tigers ate that one.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

have coronavirus and feel absolutely awful. Not sure how to proceed, think it's best that you replace/lynch me. Guessing lynch because we know Elmo doesn't like to let a replacement enter a scummy slot.

Actually its not that. I don't care for having the same slot replaced 3x and deadline just right around the corner.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Hi,

I have coronavirus and feel absolutely awful. Not sure how to proceed, think it's best that you replace/lynch me. Guessing lynch because we know Elmo doesn't like to let a replacement enter a scummy slot.

Genuinely am a VT (just like scum would say) so prepare to be perplexed. My bad.

Sorry if I actually offended you, Iconeum. I'll be a 15 on the scale, though, if you flip red.

Really sad to leave but it's the best for the game I think. Sorry. You guys are great, I've learnt a lot. Probably going to behave the same way when I feel better and join a new game though, so feel free to steer clear.

But either way hope you feel better.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Hey Elmo, can you please post up your last scum game?

Honey I don't even know when my last game was here.
It was over two years ago.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

@Mod V/LA Till Friday pending

I just slept 14 hours and I'm still tired. Took a shower and was hacking up my lungs. Partner has a sore throat and can barely talk. Hoping it's nothing but allergies. But eh.

Got it. - D

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Also hi BP long time no see

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Um, what? Walk me through the scenario where ico is bad please?

Going to answer this but I can sense the line of thinking.

Ever think someone can be too town to kill or someone leading the town around? I mean its possible.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

How can I bus Elmo, when there is only 1 scum left? This doesnt even make sense.

Would it really be a bus though and more likely just a push of another lynch and leading the town along for the ride to become "too towny for town"?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

you forgot Elmo too

Story of my life.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Tbh I don't see how a mason claim helps us right now.
Unless you are saying don't then my brain is just not working which is fine.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Just making sure we're on the same page

[Elmo TeH AzN]

We never lynch Walrus.

VOTE: 72off

Care to explain the stance?

Is this due to a catch up post with a vca on I believe day one which gives no real indication of anything.
Looking at this game its anything but normal in the sense of anything.

I mean I'm looking at this game from an abstract point of view and trying to assess this game is just something isn't adding up.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

The stance is pretty self-explanatory. Is there something you're confused about in particular?

The fact were never lynching Walrus. Is what I was getting at the vote made sense

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I mean I'm looking at this game from an abstract point of view and trying to assess this game is just something isn't adding up

Also can you elaborate on this? what isn't adding up specifically?

How this game is playing out. I'll have an answer in the next 12-24 hours

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm just asking the reasons. I just keep looking back at their catch up post and there are a few things that just have hit me the wrong way and it's a good post just a few things that just have me questioning why they are "off the table" it seems.
Id like to hear more from them and 72.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

There are 4 days left to hammer. I don't like this but I've been wrong before. I'm still waiting for some answers and Menal wants to just shut the day down?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I mean I'm looking at this game from an abstract point of view and trying to assess this game is just something isn't adding up

Also can you elaborate on this? what isn't adding up specifically?

The fact that days are being rushed thru. Or so it seems. Why Walrus can't be scum at this point of time and XYZ. Maybe I'm just asking the questions that don't have answers but Its just mind boggling.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Elmos lack of response to what she agrees or disagrees with my reads on likely scum in walrus is bad.

Repost your reads my dear. It wasn't intentional to ignore them I promise.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

A tl;dr would have sufficed

Right now

Me
You
Menal - I don't like the early end of the day. Its bothering me we have plenty of time.
Atarshi (Waiting for the Walrus explanation)
Walrus - I want to hear more. Even going back to what you said the VCA and recap in the first real post they did just was yeah.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Right now I feel walrus is just skating by at least how it looks even looking at the iso its just like taking everything at face value

[Elmo TeH AzN]

If Clidd correctly read me as town despite me manipulating him as scum previously, i tjink thats pretty telling that im tpwn

A person who died N1 tells someone they are town. I mean its also day one. Yes I have you as a town read and granted just because someone else sees you as one doesn't mean we will all agree to this

if they hit the mason tonight then I have to choose tomorrow and I'd rather not be making that choice with you still in the game because it's gonna be a fucking nightmare trying to decide if you're scum who's made it to the end or town brought along to be the mislynch

Um since when are you a cleared town? How do we know you aren't playing us for a fool and just taking us along for a ride. It seems like we're all just following you. Yet no one is questioning you at all. And I get meta this and meta that but meta can be changed.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Completely understandable. But have you modded games here? And had to seek multi replacements it gets tiring.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

*sighs* I hate subbing in.

Even BP said how much someone can hate subbing in.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I really don't like walrus. At all. I see just a bunch of fluffyness and just trying to cast some shadows around here.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Meh, after re-reading everything, I'm fine with VOTE: 72offsuit.

He keeps on bringing up the same weak & tired points that I already responded to (like here:493), but never responds to responses.

If it doesn't turn out to be him, then tomorrow will be a real headache. On the surface, it would seem that it's got to be elmo, but a couple of baddies did kind of point the finger at her which doesn't make much sense. Atarashi seems unlikely, the way they returned to focus on lotus after the mason face-off, but you never know in mafia. Or is menalque really 300000 IQ'ing us all as icon wondered in 787 (clidd was killed after reminding everyone of the BoP and saying mena was acting suspicious 728).

Oh well, menalque has been pushing 72 for a long time now, hopefully it ends here and the burden of proficiency is fulfilled.

Your points aren't much better though. This is my issue with your posts as well. There isnt much scum hunting and one can feign reads and direct town one way or another.
Personally I don't agree with 72 as they are actively hunting and pointing out flaws. The fact that it took you this long to call out Menal after I've said something long ago just makes me question motives here. So right now we have a "town player" leading the town with much non discussion asking for votes. Someone explain this to me? Why are we following menal? Cause he's a town read? I'm just not following the logic here. And he could be playing us all as fool and we're handing him the game if we are wrong here.

Him calling out 72 and saying do you want to 1v1 me just has me itching my head.

Hell even you right now are just seeping. We could just throw caution to the wind and you sheep your way to a win. Right now my best read is Atar which is worry some as I've not cared for most of what they've said.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

He's claimed to hammer 2x now afaik.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Apparently Walrus is our Mason. Which makes sense looking back at this game.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Be sure to get curbside delivery for this one.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

1. I have more pressing issues then this game. And why insta vote? It's not like we're in a rush again today. Christ.
2. Speculating the kills again are we? This is almost laughable. Let's look back at how you've been pushing every wagon in this game this far and leading the town along. If you were such an obvious town why aren't you dead? Isn't that the logical thing for any scum to do? Kill the obvious town knowing they can carry someone to the end they can beat? Ever notice how no ones thrown an inch of suspicion at you this whole game aside say one? I've pushed for longer days where as you want to end them and push your lynches? And still town just followed you?
Let's think about this one hard here.
You carry a person who you know you can beat since you are so glorifyingy town. Mason or not. Even I said you were obvious town day one but as the game progressed I didn't like how you pushed almslt. Everyone to their deaths. Let's think about this.

VOTE: menal

Yeah I'm done with this game.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

@elmo: You voted 72 on day2, when we hanged BP, but did not vote on day 3 -- you were the only non-voter. Why was that?

Day 3 I read 72 as town who just wanted someone to listen to. I didn't like how quick the wagon formed at all and with 3 votes on a wagon that quick with time just seemed suspicious to me. We already had an intent to hammer almost instantly. 72 really just read like I'M TOWN CAN SOMEONE LISTEN TO WHAT I SAID!?!
At least this is your I read it.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

(2) yes, I’ve been leading wagons and that’s exactly why I’m tone. For scum!me who is universally TR pretty much, what’s the incentive to not just coast along and avoid looking bad? Like I could have coasted all the way to here without needing to push anyone or to end days sooner and probably would have been in a stronger position for it, given that your whole angle on me is an attempt to get walrus to paranoia vote me.

Because one can never change a meta.
Who said it's paranoia? I never used this word. And it's obvious your partner was flailing so why not just cut your losses right there?

Also what exactly is the benefit to having longer days if the same person is getting lynched? I let each day run to the point where useful info had been extracted and then got us moving on when waiting would just have induced more apathy. Also, again, where is the incentive for scum!me to let day run on long enough to allow a bunch of posts to be produced but not to let things run until deadline?

If I wanted to stop town having useful info then I’d have pushed lynched to happen immediately.

If I was focused on looking town instead of being town I’d just have let days proceed until the end.

But this is what you did. The bold is exactly what you did.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Happy cake day Datisi

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I could have went thru and dug deeper on Menal.
But weekends at work make it hard. And there was no one I was comfortable killing even thought about a no kill to really spice up the game.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Ty.
Tbh the mafia thread is really just me explaining my gambit and telling Datsui to pass messages and my train of thought of who I have to kill and just throw wrenches at people. Menal I couldn't kill just tried to get people to see "to town to be town"