Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

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Hi everyone

VOTE: Coronavirus

Has anyone done that joke yet?

Onto the thread!

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Page 13 and WTF

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Page 20.

My head hurts.

Subs are starting to come in. Like it isn't confusing enough.

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Alrighty then. I had to go to bed last night halfway through.

Off the top of my head the only scumfeel I have to say is maybe that the other scum was on the lynch wagon. Having a scum partner that is constantly being replaced (and played as badly as Eqsy) is no good. I'd say throwing him under the bus would be a good tradeoff since most people were already on him.

List of vibes based on a read-through, so no specific analysis:

Townish: Elmo, Ico, Menal
Conflicted: Atari
Null: 72
Scummish: Walrus

I'm conflicted on Atari because they provide some deeper analysis but seems to be unwilling to join wagons. That is kinda scummy in my book because it reads as active scumhunting without the repercussions. They tried to push a wagon on my slot, and when everyone went after eqsy they stayed put. If scum isn't on the eqsy wagon it's them.

Menal reads townish but to be honest his gameplay just throws me off.

Ico is actively scumhunting, which is nice, but I don't know whether it's town scumhunting or scum trying to manage and direct town sentiment elsewhere. Somewhere on the thread he said something that read as being comfortable being lynched, so for now townie vibes.

72 is null because tbh i haven't paid much attention to him. Might ISO later to check voteflow.

Elmo seems to just have a very different playstyle. I think I played with her once, but if I did it was a while ago, but I think if her playstyle is so different from everyone else scum!Elmo would try to lie a bit lower and not come off so different at attract attention. Being this careless about it seems OK in my book. Even if I don't really like the more aggressive style.

Walrus comes off as flip-floppity, trying not to engage with any particular thing and not give off any strong remarks against anyone trying not to call attention. That *might* be scared town, but the way they flip flop around voting seems off to me. I read as scum, so

FoS > Walrus

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Page 20.

My head hurts.

Subs are starting to come in. Like it isn't confusing enough.

this game is pretty straightforward why are you faking confusion?

Three other people have stated the same thing. Why didn't you ask them as well?

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Woops. Atari was on the eqsy wagon. Didn't see that vote.

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Damn almost caught it before you came in.

So I now have two players to ISO. Atari and 72.

*sighs* I hate subbing in.

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*sighs* I hate subbing in.

Then why did you?

I really wanted to play and sometimes a player has to bite the bullet. People have subbed for me before, so sometimes we all have to play a part in it.

Also, I only dislike subbing in due to the amount of things to read. I might have had objectively wrong impressions because even trying not to skim and actively read, it's tough when it's 36 pages of content with 13 players. It's mindnumbing at times. Which is why I don't understand Ico's jump on having a 'headache' at page 20.

unwilling to join wagons. That is kinda scummy in my book because it reads as active scumhunting without the repercussions.

1. Not only is the eqsy example of this just wrong, but you dont even point out the blatantly obvious examples of when Ico wanted to hop to the doobie slot last DP and I stayed on eqsy, and when people are hopping onto 72off right now and I'm staying on you. The fact that you ignore two correct examples and focus on an incorrect one is strange.

2. Moreover, this analysis seems weird. What reprocussion is there to not joining a wagon?

As a side note, what was your read on clidd's behavior this game if you ignore his flip?

1. I will have to read your ISO. If it's as you say, and if that was your intention, I stand corrected and you'll lean null at least.

2. There are always repercussions to joining or not joining a wagon, depending on how people are reading you. In this specific case, because I thought you were pointing fingers at one person and having the vote on another, you could have claimed innocence regardless. i e if the vote flips red, then you were right, if they flip green then you were wrong but you were FoSing someone else so you're able to claim that you were torn and lynched the wrong dude. Much different to have a tunnel on someone from whose flip you're 100% liable.

Does that make sense? Did I explain myself properly?

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Also, the sincerity of the analysis seems hella sketch.

Off the top of my head the only scumfeel I have to say is maybe that the other scum was on the lynch wagon. Having a scum partner that is constantly being replaced (and played as badly as Eqsy) is no good. I'd say throwing him under the bus would be a good tradeoff since most people were already on him.

You say this, but you don't have a single solid town-read on anything in this game, and have multiple reasons to doubt people's townieness just right under it.

I'm conflicted on Atari

because they provide some deeper analysis but seems to be unwilling to join wagons.

That is kinda scummy in my book

because it reads as active scumhunting without the repercussions. They tried to push a wagon on my slot, and when everyone went after eqsy they stayed put. If scum isn't on the eqsy wagon it's them.

Menal reads townish

but

to be honest his gameplay just throws me off.

Ico is actively scumhunting, which is nice,

but

I don't know whether it's town scumhunting or scum

trying to manage and direct town sentiment elsewhere. Somewhere on the thread he said something that read as being comfortable being lynched, so for now townie vibes.

Why is that bad? I'm mistrusting by nature playing mafia. I don't like people who try to lead. Town is usually clueless on D1. Maybe on a game with masons, where there's a bit more info to go on but even so.

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Why is that bad? I'm mistrusting by nature playing mafia.

There's a difference between being mistrusting and throwing shade at borderline confirmed townies to keep mislynch options open. You also don't take a solid stance on a single player in the game in your reads list and sit on the fence with all but arguably Elmo. One's standard fare of playing mafia, and one's standard fare of

being

mafia.

Given this statement, why do you list Ico as townish, as it was the one leading the wagon on you before this recent jump?

I agree with you but I hope you know there's also a difference between keeping lynching options open and not being too inflexible on my opinions on people's alignment based on 1 read on my first 12 hours playing the game. Cut me some slack I've only just arrived, all I did was give out some impressions on why I think player X leans green/red, but not too strict because I wanna engage with this people before committing.

Will you still think the same if I change my mind on Elmo and/or Walrus, who are my strongest reads, am I not allowed to anymore?

I don't like people who try to lead.

By default. Again, they can change into a town read. What I was trying to convey was that

even tho

I don't instinctively like people who try to lead, they can still vibe in townie green. Ico does. The only thing stopping me putting him higher in my townreads is the fact he's leading this. I'm wary of that because it's too good of a spot for scum.

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BP meta:

Newbie 1621: Kitchen Chaos
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62311

BP was pretty jokey throughout: Just the first handful of posts included:

''Unvote whoever. ''

''I'll get started on reading. I mean reading you guys. Brace thyselves.''

''Ugh, Angry Frog's gameplay. In my slot's name I do apologize Anyways, quickreading this is what really stuck to me.''

''Jesus Christ, page 6 gave me a fright. You were seriously going to lynch Vedith? Nheh, I read him as town. I know getting info from the lynch is often a good idea, but I seriously read him as town. The fearlessness mainly gives me that vibe.''

This last post ín that game pretty much fels like it echoes his "'Page 13 and WTF" post in this game

Town game:
Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62603

Mostly serious and straight forward as town

1. BP here resembles BP scum meta.
2. Don;t get any townie vibes from BP's entrance.
3. My newb-scum night kill choice theory works for doobie.

VOTE: Doobie

So you're voting me based on my two games 5 years ago? Stop trying to make the wagon on you not happen so desperately.

I was jokey at first here as well. I voted for coronavirus, yes. I then immediately started to provide my insight, however superficial, and got involved in a discussion with a player. That's what happened with the dandy mafia as well. It's something common to the three games.

Tell me something. Who should we lynch if you get lynched and flip town?

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Posts 587 and 589 are really weird reactions to the wagon on eqsy. First you say you find the lack of a counterwagon weird. Then you say if they flip scum there's nothing to be done because the game is wacky (again, I don't know why Ico didn't jump on this as well, like he did with my 'headache' comment - there's many of these).

Then you kinda go back and forth with the eqsy slot that seems approaching at a distance, like you're afraid of being connected. Post 677. Irks me, even if he tries to backpedal on 716. But again, it's a very weak one because on 715 he tries to establish a Menal + Elmo/Doobie scumteam.

738 is the lynch.

After this he votes my slot appearing out of nothing. Before, he put 2 people above me on his scumreads, saying I had a 50.5% chance to be scum (717)

After a while he starts to hardpress Elmo, even calling him the worst scumtell - 824. The guy who hammered scum, for having hammered... Anyways...

Then he says he had a scumread on Elmo the day before (which is true), but presses him while keeping the vote on me the whole time. That could be scum!72 trying not to deflect too much out of a bus on someone else. Says he's been scummy on both days but keeps voting me because I'm the smart lynch (when agreeing with Atari on 839.

Unvotes when doobie gets subbed. Checks out my meta, votes me.

You lean scum, along with walrus. I'd say it's one of you. Plus, you both tick my "was on the prev scum wagon" box.

Updated readlist:

town: Elmo
townish: Menal, Ico
Null: atari
Scummish: walrus, 72.

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[quote="In post 912, Iconeum"][/quote]

My name has two letters. Mind not misspelling it?

Don't worry, I don't intend to hammer 72.

If you hammer me, lynch him next.

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LOL i vote. You and suddenly i become total scum from a. Null.

It's important to note that I said you were null because I didn't really pay much attention to you, not because I couldn't read you. I said I'd ISO you before you voted me. The fact that your ISO reads scummy is on you, not me.

Personally, I think you'd do best to address the concerns I raised about your ISO than just assume it's a OMGUS and therefore none of the questions I raised were valid. That's just an easy way out.

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Nothing to say on my posts Atar? Not even the ISO I did on why 72 is the scummiest of us all?

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I don't mind biting the bullet. But I'd like to have him say something about my post before being hammered.

(pun intended. drinking a glass of wine).

Also, if Ico could explain why he pounded me for my comment, including voting me, that'd be much appreciated.

4 days to lynch. We have some time.

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Genuinely am a VT (just like scum would say) so prepare to be perplexed. My bad.

@Atar

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BP meta:

Newbie 1621: Kitchen Chaos
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62311

BP was pretty jokey throughout: Just the first handful of posts included:

''Unvote whoever. ''

''I'll get started on reading. I mean reading you guys. Brace thyselves.''

''Ugh, Angry Frog's gameplay. In my slot's name I do apologize Anyways, quickreading this is what really stuck to me.''

''Jesus Christ, page 6 gave me a fright. You were seriously going to lynch Vedith? Nheh, I read him as town. I know getting info from the lynch is often a good idea, but I seriously read him as town. The fearlessness mainly gives me that vibe.''

This last post ín that game pretty much fels like it echoes his "'Page 13 and WTF" post in this game

Town game:
Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62603

Mostly serious and straight forward as town

1. BP here resembles BP scum meta.
2. Don;t get any townie vibes from BP's entrance.
3. My newb-scum night kill choice theory works for doobie.

VOTE: Doobie

So you're voting me based on my two games 5 years ago? Stop trying to make the wagon on you not happen so desperately.

I was jokey at first here as well. I voted for coronavirus, yes. I then immediately started to provide my insight, however superficial, and got involved in a discussion with a player. That's what happened with the dandy mafia as well. It's something common to the three games.

Tell me something. Who should we lynch if you get lynched and flip town?

I can only use the information in front of me. It would be great if you had a more recent game, but you don't. I don't really know if people's meta change over a long time of absence. All i see is you behaving similarly here as in the chef game where you were scum.

No... I'm scumhunting to present a case to town as a whole as to who i think is likely to be scum.
Correct, i don't want to be lynched in any game regardless of alignment, and yes moreso when im scum.
But desperate? Hardly.

If I end up being lynched today, you should be lynched tomorrow.

So now not only are you ignoring my ISO on you, not explaining the actions I called out, but now you're literally copying my stance of "lynch me today fine, but lynch him tomorrow".

You're getting redder and redder.

Could you please reply to post 913?