Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Atarashi Hajimari]

VOTE: clidd hello there

[Atarashi Hajimari]

A bit more seriously is that Doobie straight up admitted this was her first game ever, and that's pretty cool. Dunno 'bout the rest of ya, but I'm not gonna vote for her during D1 unless she does something super scummy at any point. Just so she can actually play the game a bit, y'know?

Given this statement, what's your opinion of azn?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

So far iconeum and Doobie have been the only two to not throw out a rvs vote on their first post.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

So far iconeum and Doobie have been the only two to not throw out a rvs vote on their first post.

and what do you conclude from this?

Nothing. Yet.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

So far iconeum and Doobie have been the only two to not throw out a rvs vote on their first post.

and what do you conclude from this?

Nothing. Yet.

you found the need to call it out but don't conclude anything from it? that's called shading

VOTE: atarashi

Given this statement, what do you think of post 28?

Moreover, I said I didn't conclude anything of it *yet*. It might be useful in the future, but perhaps not immediately. Would you rather me not say anything unless it's of immediate value?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Also on a slightly related note, what does shading even mean?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Calling a thing out without making a judgment call on it, so as to imply it's bad.

But it's not bad? At least not necessarily. I mean, maybe for doobie it could be considered scum-indicative since someone extremely new might shy away from throwing around a vote for shits and giggles, but for the se slot that's not super likely.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Calling a thing out without making a judgment call on it, so as to imply it's bad.

But it's not bad? At least not necessarily.

I mean, maybe for doobie it could be considered scum-indicative since someone extremely new might shy away from throwing around a vote for shits and giggles, but for the se slot that's not super likely.

I mean, you can call us out for not voting. That's perfectly ok. But you didn't say anything about it. You stayed completely in the middle.

You suggest it's bad for us to not vote without actually pushing it.

No I don't? I'm pretty sure you even quoted a post where I said the opposite (underlined).

You could have asked us why we didn't vote. You could push and thus sort us. You could town/scum read it.
But neither happened. You just threw it out there like a bone to dogs hoping they'd fight over it.

I'm not going to pressure someone on something I don't think is worth pressuring. If someone were to pressure you based solely off my post I'd scumread them off of it because it by itself isn't worth pressuring.

That doesn't mean it's not worth noting for the future, hence why I made the post in the first place.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

So now I'm

really

confused.

No I don't? I'm pretty sure you even quoted a post where I said the opposite (underlined).

Problem there is that explanation comes after the original post, which in its entirety is and was:

So far iconeum and Doobie have been the only two to not throw out a rvs vote on their first post.

There is no judgment call here,

at all. It's just sat there, looking all terrible and awkward. That's why you got called out for shading originally: because that's what you did. So, yes, while you did say that it's not bad, that was a post hoc justification when pressed on the subject a couple times.

That doesn't change that the original take you posted didn't actually have a conclusion,

especially when you admit to it not even having a point.

That combined with

I'm not going to pressure someone on something I don't think is worth pressuring

raises the natural question of why you would post it; it's obviously not a jokepost, so the timing doesn't make sense. Trying to appear helpful and townie while not contributing anything useful is the natural conclusion here.

Unlike Ico, I don't think this is worth a serious vote on its own

- especially at the start of D1 - but it is definitely something that I hope doesn't get forgotten as the day progresses.

Given the underlined parts of your reply, is this post also considered shading? You're pointing out behavior that is occurring/has occurred, but offering no judgment on it and/or are not taking action on it.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Actually UNVOTE:

VOTE: lotus

[Atarashi Hajimari]

See this is what I'm not understanding about this whole "shading" thing. I'm in agreement that trying to appear helpful without actually doing anything is probably scummy behavior, but I'm not sure how a) making a factual observation about something that's occurred meets this definition, and b) if it does, how stuff like below isn't also meeting the definition.

Not voting for it on its own is because it's a good thing to note, but it's not a case all on its own.

This is literally a re-worded way of saying what I said in 36:

If someone were to pressure you based solely off my post I'd scumread them off of it because it by itself isn't worth pressuring.

That doesn't mean it's not worth noting for the future, hence why I made the post in the first place.

Like, help a newbie out. Am I just not getting something about this concept?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Actually UNVOTE:

VOTE: lotus

what do you think is scummy about lotus exactly?

It feels like he's putting in a lot of effort to explain why my post was shading and why it was scummy but isn't actually applying any kind of pressure off of it. If I thought what someone did was scummy, I'd be pressuring them off of it.

It's scummy enough to warrant a pretty extensive discussion, but not scummy enough to vote? That feels like he wants to look like he's scumhunting without actually committing to anything.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

getting an argument that does boil down to "if you think I'm scummy, then so are they"

That's not at all what my reasoning for thinking you could be scum was.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Once jokephase is over and serious votes start,

My vote was serious.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Its not the not pressuting or not voting but rather the fence sitting.

What fence am I sitting on? I've said that the lack of an initial rvs vote isn't a bad thing.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I

Am
Mason

Am

Mason
Am
Sunshine
Only
Mason

What's a masom?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

He has the same role I had in our last game.

No you were a maso

n

, not a maso

m

. Big difference.

Source: English major

[Atarashi Hajimari]

He has the same role I had in our last game.

No you were a maso

n

, not a maso

m

. Big difference.

Source: English major

I see.

I feel kinda bad now. I remember you saying something about english not being your first language. I was being sarcastic.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

VOTE: mena

Even if ico is lying, 1-for-1ing seems really bad right from the get-go.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

the real thought here is rather:

if mena is scum, why would he wanna do this?
if mena is town, why would he wanna do this?

it makes no sense from either allignment

Wait, so are you CCing him or no?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

UNVOTE:

[Atarashi Hajimari]

First off, LYL is overrated and will catch town at least equally as much as scum. Thinking town doesn't lie is just wrong. I'm not advocating town to lie, au contraire. But the sad sad truth is what it is.

I never said they don't. And of course it will. I'm not saying it's fool proof or doesn't come from its own flaws.

...but still lynch all liars?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

this is spicey for 8 pages

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@mena:

Why didn't you claim the instant you replaced into the last game?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

(1) I had the idea from pure boi doing it with me in a game that just finished — clidd can confirm

Still catching up but I can also confirm this

[Atarashi Hajimari]

In short, because I think the sooner we hop off this train of thought the better off we are, that mena is probably town. Do I think he shoudlfe gone for this play? Probably not? I mean, I was in the game where this happened that he's referencing and I probably still wouldn't have picked it up, and even then these two situations weren't exactly identical (for example, pink spent a solid 5-7 posts saying "hey mena should I do a thing? It's super risky and idk if I should but I wanna do a thing" before "hardclaiming" masons).

That being said, let's get back on track with where we were before this day imploded. VOTE: lotus

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I also townlean Ico from his push

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@doobie:

First, thank you for showing me that post of lotus's. Idk how I missed it but it certainly has my attention now.

Second, did you actually read the posts that lotus links in it? I know lotus is scum but I'm just need your reaction to know if you're the scum partner.

Thanks!

[Atarashi Hajimari]

What makes you SR lotus? I notice you changed your initial vote for Lotus to one for Menalque and then unvoted altogether before coming back to lotus, why didn't you go back to voting lotus right away? I read the links, yes, and Lotus' points make sense to me whereas Ico's actions do not sit right with me.

But I am struggling to keep up

I posted my reason in #48. A few more questions.

1. Do you think there's something scummy about the way I voted? If so, what?
2. What makes sense, to you, about lotus's points?
3. In converse, what has Ico done that doesn't sit right with you?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

As a protective measure, we could stipulate a

BoP

for

Menalque

and an expiration date. I don't expect him to be alive for longer than day 3, unless he's

scum

.

You think? I can see a world where he's dragged along as a potential mislynch.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Actually nah, I take that back.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I posted my reason in #48. A few more questions.

1. Do you think there's something scummy about the way I voted? If so, what?
2. What makes sense, to you, about lotus's points?
3. In converse, what has Ico done that doesn't sit right with you?

You didn't answer my other question, why did you change to no vote before going back to Lotus?

1. I did, albeit indirectly, with my first question.
2. I was evaluating the mason situation before deciding it wasnt worth my vote and going back to my previous target.

I've read number #48 and the reasoning was thin, but agreeable at the time as we didn't have 300 pieces of information to make sense of.

Do you think that the reasoning doesn't make sense anymore, but made sense previously? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

It's not scummy how you voted but it's inconsistent no matter your alignment, and a single inconsistent stance could become important later in the game.

1. What is my voting behavior inconsistent with?
2. If it's not scummy then why does it matter if it's not consistent?

2) Ico said the only possibility is Menalque is a Mason. That's what Ico said and Lotus is saying that's what Ico said, I'm in agreement with this because its factual.

You're talking about #196, correct? Let me quote the entire post:

literally the only option here is that he's actually mason,

but i don't think he ever claims that so early

he's gonna have bigbrain plays with his mason buddy down the road, not use himself as a lightning rod

Bolding is my own emphasis. The latter half of the sentence would seem to imply that he doesn't actually believe that scenario, but is rather proposing it is a 'this is the only option that might make sense, but even this option doesn't make sense' example.

So is there somewhere else Ico says that mena is a mason? If not, are you sure you read the links lotus cited?

Next, lotus said how what Ico said made sense (it did) but that it didn't necessarily ring true. I interpreted that to mean that there were other scenarios in which Menalque could be Town and avoid being killed or lynched.

Are you talking about the part from lotus's #213 that says:

The arguments he puts forth for how its a bad play in post 193 sound good but don't really ring true in practice.

What about ico's 193 doesn't seem correct? I think your interpretation of his statement is interesting given that it read as actual nonsense to me.

Which Ico actually supports by saying on a couple of occasions that they left the door open etc...
Lastly, lotus said that it was a distraction tactic by Ico- this may or may not be the case but it was agreeably (to me at least) hollow.

What do you think is hollow about the point? We were pressuring lotus pretty hard before mena made his claim and now we're having difficulty picking the pressure back up.

3) I've made my points about my vote for Ico already. Another contradiction they made was that in post #196, saying that Menalque must be Mason. Why say that if Ico is mason and therefore knows fully well Menalque is not. Why cause confusion by thinking aloud how Menalque -could- in fact be a Mason?

Addressed previously in this post.

My last point against Ico and this one is stupid really, is that when Ico greeted me they said 'go lynch some scum', how would Ico know that was the aim of my game? It's either an assumption (which I don't like) or was the product of information the rest of us didn't have at the starting point.

Where to start with this one...

1. Are you saying that lynching scum

*isn't*

what you're trying to do?
2. Do you actually think he's scum because of this point? It seems super petty.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Current reads:

TR - Ico, Mena
TL - cliff
Null - Elmo, Walrus
SL - doobie
SR - Lotus

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Oh and 72 is null as well.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Only thing of note was Atarashi posting a reads list following my vote.
Ata gave me a slight town-vibe in earlier posts of the day, just the tone, moreso than content, but forgetting me in the reads list just felt weird, especially after I had just voted for you.

Almost as though !scum-Ata (the scenario whereby Ata rolled scum alignment), was wondering which category it would be convenient for them to lump me in with. And then im just lumped into the null section. Just seems odd to null read someone who has just voted someone.

What are you even talking about?

My reads list was post 355 (I think), and your vote on mena was, like 224 or something like that. You hadn't really done anything in the game when I posted my list so I forgot you were in the game LOL

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Ebwop: my reads list was 314

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@eqsy:

1. Whenever you have a chance can you get a profile avi? Helps us keep track of your posts and gives us a picture to associate with your stuff.
2. What's your experience with mafia, if any? You talk like you have previous experience.
3. How's that readlist coming along?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Atarashi Hajimari

, what is your read on

Doobie

now ?

Random question, does it get tiring color coding literally every post you make? I'd get annoyed with trying to keep it up real fast.

To answer your question though, I still dont really like the slot at all, but I'm admittedly having a bit of trouble getting past the newbie-esque feel to her posts to see if its newb-town or newb-scum. I think it's probably the latter, but I'm more confident that eqsy's slot is scum and, if so, doobie is almost certainly the second scum.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Though I'd be down to lynch doobie over eqsy if it came down to it.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

top

I feel like I was supposed to deny you this page top.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PR CLAIMS! COME OUT IMMEDIATLY AND CC THE MASON! If we have another PR claim the Mason is fake. Or if the PR cc is fake as both Masons' comfirm each other.

Holy shit can we lynch this scum-butt already?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Why are we lining up lynches?
And calling a policy lynch?

I'm just trying to understand this logic.

I don't like your attitude of questioning everything we do. It seems like a mindset that is more inclined to emphasize the problem than the solution.

Ngl, I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. I agree with you on a personal level, but I think this is more of a meta/playstyle difference rather than alignment difference.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Eqsy, however, seems a good lynch policy.

What do you mean by policy here?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Eqsy, however, seems a good lynch policy.

Also, if this is true then where's your vote at?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Policy Lynch means that you lynch them as they can harm the town later game.

Not only was this not what I was asking, but I'm not even sure I agree with this definition definitionally xD

[Atarashi Hajimari]

When I flip Cit I'd like him to be the next lynch alright?

This statement feels super weird to me. Theres a total of a single vote on you, and a ton of conflicting ideas as to who we should be pressuring right now, but you've already resigned yourself to eating rope today?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I feel like there are two things that need to be addressed in this post. One for the general public, and one for eqsy.

Eqsy, however, seems a good lynch policy.

Also, if this is true then where's your vote at?

Why the hell do youi want to draw out this Day Timer? We have 90+ Hours to discuss why Hammer so early?

This one is for the general public. This reads like he's so scared of votes. He's currently sitting at a single vote on him, but he's making it out to be like he's at l-1.

I'm mad that Lotus destroyed this slot but whatever. I'm used to this.

And this part is for you, eqsy. You replaced into a scummy slot, yes. If your town, your reaction should almost certainly not be "oh well, I'm used to it", but rather "okay let's start doing insanely townie shit to make up for it". Especially if you're as experienced as you're making yourself out to be.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

. No, my vote doesn't work like that. I'll be hammering or putting someone on L-1 today

...why?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@clidd

Since you're around (at least I think you're around), what do you think about #429? In particular the "Ah man I wish people knew my meta or they'd be hard defending me as town" bit? It feels kinda LAMIST-y.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I think elmo is town.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Eqsy, Doobie, 72off, Walrus


Both scum are probably in this list.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Why do you say 72off is town? There really hasn't been too much from his slot and what there has been I haven't been blown away by.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I'm bored

[Atarashi Hajimari]

So I'm gonna

[Atarashi Hajimari]

YOINK 'dat top post.

<3 you mod

[Atarashi Hajimari]

And my actual read isn't the same as my read on Wilky last game, keep it in mind.

Not sure what you mean by this.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

UVC:

clidd (1/5): Elmo TeH AzN
Iconeum (1/5): Doobietime
EqsyLootz (1/5): Atarashi Hajimari
Elmo TeH AzN (1/5): WizenedWalrus
WizenedWalrus (1/5): 72offsuit

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Okay I'm super bored. I'mma start just randomly ISOing people and post what I find.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

clidd's ISO: Overall, TL but I'll be revisiting a few posts later to see if it changes.

As a forewarning, this gets super stream-of-consciousness/ramble-y. You have been warned.

Spoiler:

Post #88 (linked here):

This feels strange thinking about it now. The other game I've played with clidd he took a very active role in the game. Clidd was also town in this other game. I should probably be more suspicious of him than I am right now.


Post #89 (linked here)

I'm not sure I understand what he means by saying that the interaction was done with a 'good intention', but I agree that post #14 looks pretty towny. I'm not a fan of #52, but it was saying why I'm scum so I'm probably kinda biased. Although I suppose if I put my own knee-jerk 'he's wrong' reaction aside, there seems to be a genuine desire there to sort the game (though I'm not sure what to make of the overconfident snippet at the end).


Post #96 (linked here)

I'm a fan of 90% of this post. I don't necessarily agree that all first time scum are going to be more cautious/less loose, and even less so that most "first time" players on this site are legitimately playing their first game of mafia ever (so first time scum on this site may not actually be first time scum period), but this point is super nitpicky and is probably actually correct as often as it's not.


Post #113 (linked here)

This post is saying that I'm town. Ergo, it is 100% correct. More to the point, he's putting a lot more thought into my RVS vote than I did lol... I voted clidd because he was the only person I recognized. Also I'm pretty sure he only hard tunneled onto one person (Homura), but I could be misremembering the game wrong (I've slept since posting there, and I lost a lot of interest in the game once the mass-replacements took place).


Post #114 (linked here)

I've never been a fan of how dismissive you can be. Kinda comes off like you being an asshole. And I feel like I've said that about you before. This comment can also apply to Post #116 (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11640894), which wasn't really called for.


Post #121 (linked here)

Again, agree with 90% of this post. In terms of VTs bluffing as PRs, I think being notorious is probably a disadvantage more often than it's an advantage, but this is super nitpicky.


I'm skipping over most of the mason-debacle posts because those have been gone over pretty well by this point and I don't see much point to rehashing it out right now.


Post #317 (linked here)

Swap Elmo and 72offsuit and his reads here mirror mine.


Post #388 (linked here)

On one hand, I don't think scum puts this much effort into a "short summary" of a read on someone. On the other hand, I've been spending about an hour trying to dissect exactly what he's saying through his $10 words and coming up blank, so it feels like he's trying to make it look like he's saying a lot of really insightful stuff without actually saying things that make much sense. I'll come back to this post at some point when I haven't been awake forever on extremely weak sleep.


Post #439 (linked here)

I've found a post that he put away the paint cans for. I feel accomplished.


Post #459 (linked here)

I feel like this post more often comes from a townie mindset than any other mindset. I'd feel pretty confident about this one.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Elmo's ISO: This ISO is pretty bare-bones. I definitely want to see more content from this slot before I give any serious confidence behind a read here. Ultimately, TL though not by too much. There's a pretty even amounnt of stuff that I like and dislike.

Spoiler:

Post #110 (linked here)

I don't really like this post. I think the reasoning behind Ico's change in vote from me to Lotus was relatively clear given that Ico expressed doubt in lotus (Post #46 linked here), then asked me for why I SR'd Lotus (post #47 linked here), then changed vote target after I gave my reasoning (post #49 linked here). It follows up with her being kinda waver-y on the suspicion and deflecting off to Lotus and ultimately doesn't accomplish a whole lot.


Post #111 (linked here)

Even though I disliked the post from her immediately before this one, I really like this post. Some genuine desire to sort through the game and some analysis that I agree with in both the external logic and the internal mentality behind the thinking. Solid post.


Post #112 (linked here)

I also like this post, but not as much as the previous post. I disagree that there's nothing to gain from a townie fakeclaiming a PR, but I think the mentality behind her comment (avoiding creating unnecessary confusion within the town) comes from a townie mindset.


Post #117 (linked here)

I think the frustration here is probably townie-based given that it looks extremely similar to the frustration I felt dealing with clidd in my previous game with him.


Post #124 (linked here)

This post just feels...out of place. It reads like one long, rambling apology for wanting clarification? that's followed up with some relatively questionable logic in not wanting to work on solving the game on D1? It feels too long to be genuine but the line-by-line seems sincere. I really don't know what to do with this post.


Post #142 (linked here)

I'm a fan of this post explicitly and exclusively because she agreed with something I said and said that I've looked town. That is all.


Post #158 (linked here)

I've been staring at this post for about 20 minutes trying to figure out what I think about it. Something about it bugs me but I can't put my finger on it. I'll definitely revisit this post later.


Post #192 (linked here)

I really don't like this post. Doesn't really describe anything bad about what Mena's posts are, but seems to toss all of his posts into the bad bin. The vote seems super reactionary. The odd part that sticks out to me about this post is the last line thay say "The only gain to claim is protect the actual masons", which reads like a reason to think that Mena is town, which isn't what Elmo thinks in this post.


Post #441 (linked here)

This post is weird. I like the first half of it and think it's a good verablization of some of the latent suspicions I have regarding clidd (i.e. he's behaving really kind of differently compared to the last game I played with him). I'm not a fan of the second half, though. It seems like a bit of an overreaction, and it doesn't really accurately describe how clidd seems to be playing, either. It's super similar in nature to her Mena vote, though, so at least there's some kind of consistency to the mentality behind her casting votes? I'm not sure what to do with that info, though.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

1-for-1ing seems really bad right from the get-go.

This post is actually really bothering me. Just the wording of "seems really bad right now"

1 for 1 ing gives town a guaranteed mafia and is a bad move for mafia. Its great for town. So I don;t understand why Ata has framed it as a negative.

It gives the feeling of a scumslip. It feels like they are in a mafia-frame-of-mind.

So are you intentionally misquoting me here or did you actually not understand my post?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

How am i misquoting?

I mean, let's just look at my full post.

VOTE: mena

Even if ico is lying, 1-for-1ing seems really bad right from the get-go.

1. In a very literal sense, the wording I used was not "seems bad

right now

", hence a misquote.
2. My post is saying that Ico is probably telling the truth about his CC of mena (going back to the mason bit) so we should lynch mena. Even if he was lying, we'd just lynch Ico when mena flipped green and then itd work out anyway. In what way is this negative to town? If it isn't, then how does my phrasing make it seem like a negative?

It's a rhetorical question, btw.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@72off

Who do you think should be the lynch today and why?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Alright I'm all caught up. Currently Im suspicious of Clidd and Elmo.

You uhh...you wanna substantiate these reads?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I don't like 399&401 where you said 'you're more confident Eqsy's slot is scum' but 'you'd be down to lynch me OVER Eqsy'. I just don't follow. You say I'm difficult to read but that if Eqsy is the scum then I'm likely the second- so why wouldn't you lynch Eqsy first to get that extra bit of data to help read me?

Because you're misinterpreting my post. I said I'd be down to lynch you over Eqsy

if it came down to it

. My preference is the other way around.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

#462 you miss out the mason posts saying that it has been talked about extensively, true, but the most you say is in post #300, I'd like to hear more about your decision regarding your unvote?

It's all that I specifically talked about it, yes. But theres a solid ~100 posts where people are only talking about it. If you cant figure out how you feel about it from that then I'm not sure what else I can add.

Also I'm pretty sure you've already asked me about my unvote but it's really not relevant to my wagon on eqsy so if you really wanna go over it again wait until tomorrow after he's eaten some rope.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

By not voting early, I can better see how the votes are distributed, without the pretext of '' I was sheeping clidd

Pretty awful reason not to vote. Its just as easy to say "I was sheeping clidd" as it is to say "I was sheeping clidd's analysis."

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Haven't you been making a reads list since you joined the game? You've only posted reads on me and doobie.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

reads

Because I actually have a life. Family.. Friends. Sports. Hobbies. School etc. I can't spend all my time on this. I make them when I can.

Wow, the insulting response. Haven't heard that one before.

1. You have as many posts as doobie and almost 3x as many posts as Walrus.
2. I work two jobs (~60 hours/week) on top of other responsibilities.
3. This excuse only works if you communicate it ahead of time, like literally 1/3 of the rest of the players in this game (who still have all posted more than you).

If you just aren't interested in playing that's one thing. But don't insult other people when we're just trying to play the game.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Doobie, I'm not talking about it today. If you wanna talk about it, wait until tomorrow.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Ico you should lynch eqsy with me.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

they've sometimes been pushing stuff that they thought was pushable, instead of actually thinking about whether it's scum

What does this mean?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

see: the push on eqsy

Also this seems to imply you tr eqsy. Is that true?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

UNVOTE: Unvote

FoS: esqy

Why unvote?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Current lynch priority is Eqsy -> 72off/doobie, Walrus

[Atarashi Hajimari]

UNVOTE: Unvote

FoS: esqy

Why unvote?

I have my reasons. I'll keep to myself for now.

#helpful

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Current lynch priority is Eqsy -> 72off/doobie, Walrus

You earlier say that probs both scum are in these 4.
So who are the scum partners in these 4?

Pretty sure I answered this earlier. My leading idea is an Eqsy/Doobie scumteam.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Atarashi Hajimari

, what is your read on

Doobie

now ?

Random question, does it get tiring color coding literally every post you make? I'd get annoyed with trying to keep it up real fast.

To answer your question though, I still dont really like the slot at all, but I'm admittedly having a bit of trouble getting past the newbie-esque feel to her posts to see if its newb-town or newb-scum. I think it's probably the latter,

but I'm more confident that eqsy's slot is scum and, if so, doobie is almost certainly the second scum.

This was the post I did it in. Bolded where.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

So i think your Lootz read is off. I think we should lynch Lootz.

possibly yes

What made you change from 530?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

nobody is interested in my doobie case

I mean I'm definitely interested, just not today.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

and like

that wagon on eqsy is at least 3 out of 4 town

all of atarashi walrus and me are town or prob town, with 72off more doubtfull to me

which isn't bad at all

I'm still not sure on the whole "walrus is town" line of reasoning given taht I'm not really sure that it exists.

Granted he's really only in my lynch pool because of general lack of substance and lacking a clear reason to see that he's town, but I'm really not sure where you're getting your confidence for this read from.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

This girl messes with my head. I can't imagine a scenario that makes sense to keep insisting on scum!Ico.

What do you mean? Ico's a PR, and scum's gotta kill those PRs!

[Atarashi Hajimari]

So I am saying that i can't see a scenario that makes sense for town!Doobie to keep thinking about that.

This is what I was implying

[Atarashi Hajimari]

You're saying that Doobie is scum ?

Probably, yes.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

So in the event eqsy flips green we lynch Elmo 10/10 times right?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Because that's the only motivation behind this that I can think of

[Atarashi Hajimari]

But who would Elmo's partner be?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

associative game

What do you mean by this?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Hey I need to look through and get some reads because I've got no idea who I've got a read on."

Do this please.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

VOTE: doobie because, as I said yesterday, if that slot flipped red then doobie is probably the partner.

That being said, when I'm not tired as shit, I'm going back over mona's posts. I'm paranoid.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Mena's posts. Stupid autocorrect

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Also I’m very obviously town lol

Logically my brain understands that. I just need to re-read to convince myself its true.

Also don't ask me why clidd was the kill. I thought ico was dead 100%

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Like its between doobie and 72 for the last scum. Is it really that simple?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@Doobie:

You're at L-1, meaning you're one vote away from being lynched. I imagine the moment Ico gets on that he's going to declare that he intends to hammer you. When you see this, you should claim.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

ebwop, it* not he. My bad.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Im hammering

Vote: doobie

Uhhh.....you fucking what?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

72 you better pray that Doobie flips red or you're so getting lynched tomorrow.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Apparently Doobie is dead? I guess?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Noob scum therefore not Ata

On one hand flattery will get you absolutely everywhere with me.

On the other hand, you're still dead tomorrow if Doobie flips green. But I appreciate the compliment.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

The real turn is apparently Doobie wasn't hammered????

[Atarashi Hajimari]

omg I'm a dumbass, the L-1 vote was 72. So he trolled me real good.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

omg I'm a dumbass, the L-1 vote was 72. So he trolled me real good.

It's not a troll, it's a reaction test. You aren't meant to out it.

Whelp. You got reactions out of ~half the living playerbase. Whatcha got for us?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Right now I don't know what to think. This game just took a turn.

what turn?

The real turn is apparently Doobie wasn't hammered????

omg I'm a dumbass, the L-1 vote was 72. So he trolled me real good.

I think the whole thread got trolled but you know this is mafia.

Pedit: wanna tunnel me harder?
Menal is obv town it hurts.
2. I tend to move my votes around a lot and I did it because the man claimed to never put a vote down.
3. I wanted a free weekend of mafia. Glad to know thats how this works and deadline.
4. Oh honey. That's you after this gambit.

Because you just lining up them lynches now arent you?
VOTE: 72
Once again the game of gambits.

God this post is super fucking weird.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

72 I think you're tunneling a bit too hard here.

Doobie is still the smart lynch today. That's going to happen regardless. Let's not get so distracted that she can skate by and get off the chopping block.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I'mma be pretty happy with myself if I called out both scum within the start of D1.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@Ico

On a scale of 1-10, how offended are you that Doobie has scumread you for that?

pedit: that's quite the hot take...

[Atarashi Hajimari]

what's everyone thoughts about clidd?

Really not sure what you're asking. He flipped town.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I mean, that sucks, but we should almost certainly still lynch Doobie's slot.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I'm

really

not a fan of this sudden wagon switch.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

They tried to push a wagon on my slot, and when everyone went after eqsy they stayed put.

Blatant lie on two levels:

1. I wasn't the one pushing the wagon on your slot yesterday, that was Ico.

2. I was the one leading the fucking wagon on Eqsy.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

unwilling to join wagons. That is kinda scummy in my book because it reads as active scumhunting without the repercussions.

1. Not only is the eqsy example of this just wrong, but you dont even point out the blatantly obvious examples of when Ico wanted to hop to the doobie slot last DP and I stayed on eqsy, and when people are hopping onto 72off right now and I'm staying on you. The fact that you ignore two correct examples and focus on an incorrect one is strange.

2. Moreover, this analysis seems weird. What reprocussion is there to not joining a wagon?

As a side note, what was your read on clidd's behavior this game if you ignore his flip?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

*sighs* I hate subbing in.

Then why did you?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Also, the sincerity of the analysis seems hella sketch.

Off the top of my head the only scumfeel I have to say is maybe that the other scum was on the lynch wagon. Having a scum partner that is constantly being replaced (and played as badly as Eqsy) is no good. I'd say throwing him under the bus would be a good tradeoff since most people were already on him.

You say this, but you don't have a single solid town-read on anything in this game, and have multiple reasons to doubt people's townieness just right under it.

I'm conflicted on Atari

because they provide some deeper analysis but seems to be unwilling to join wagons.

That is kinda scummy in my book

because it reads as active scumhunting without the repercussions. They tried to push a wagon on my slot, and when everyone went after eqsy they stayed put. If scum isn't on the eqsy wagon it's them.

Menal reads townish

but

to be honest his gameplay just throws me off.

Ico is actively scumhunting, which is nice,

but

I don't know whether it's town scumhunting or scum

trying to manage and direct town sentiment elsewhere. Somewhere on the thread he said something that read as being comfortable being lynched, so for now townie vibes.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Why is that bad? I'm mistrusting by nature playing mafia.

There's a difference between being mistrusting and throwing shade at borderline confirmed townies to keep mislynch options open. You also don't take a solid stance on a single player in the game in your reads list and sit on the fence with all but arguably Elmo. One's standard fare of playing mafia, and one's standard fare of

being

mafia.

I don't like people who try to lead.

Given this statement, why do you list Ico as townish, as it was the one leading the wagon on you before this recent jump?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I'm off to sleep now. I hope by the time I wake up we've lynched the Doobie-slot.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Well, we've made some progress. Just need one more.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Nothing to say on my posts Atar? Not even the ISO I did on why 72 is the scummiest of us all?

If you flip green then I'll certainly look at it.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

But I'd like to have him say something about my post before being hammered.

You haven't even claimed yet, much less has anyone even declared intent to hammer. Are you nervous that someone will?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Genuinely am a VT (just like scum would say) so prepare to be perplexed. My bad.

@Atar

Ah, I missed this part. Thanks.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

more votes on 72 pls

Why? Theres more than enough reasons to think that BP is probably scum. The play should be pretty simple - BP lynch today. If flip red, then we post-game boogie. If flip green, then lynch 72.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Clidd is dead Ico lol

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Damn only 50% success on my initial scum callout. Feelsbadman

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@mena

You still on vla or are you back?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Tbh I don't see how a mason claim helps us right now.
Unless you are saying don't then my brain is just not working which is fine.

He's saaying don't.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I think the answer is /probably/ still 72 but I don’t really like it

What don't you like?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

We never lynch Walrus.

VOTE: 72off

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Man you

really

wanted that pagetop.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

The stance is pretty self-explanatory. Is there something you're confused about in particular?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I mean I'm looking at this game from an abstract point of view and trying to assess this game is just something isn't adding up

Also can you elaborate on this? what isn't adding up specifically?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

The stance is pretty self-explanatory. Is there something you're confused about in particular?

The fact were never lynching Walrus. Is what I was getting at the vote made sense

What's confusing about not lynching walrus?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

We never lynch Walrus.

VOTE: 72off

why

He's pure boi

[Atarashi Hajimari]

explain

Read ico's ISO

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Wait why is 72 still alive?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I wanna get to endgame already

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I wanna get to endgame already

I'd rather end the game than enter the endgame.

Literally synonymous.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Wait mena wheres your vote?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

WP to elmo, really underestimated you.