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[Nero Cain]

lets lynch this guy b4 he becomes toxic

TrueSoulEnergy

[Nero Cain]

errr

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[Nero Cain]

i mean, there are 13 scum here so any TSE wagon is going to contain iotas of scum but lets lynch TSE.

[Nero Cain]

i mean, there are 13 scum here so any TSE wagon is going to contain iotas of scum but lets lynch TSE.

@ nor

[Nero Cain]

Egix96 why not join the glorious TSE wagon?

[Nero Cain]

how a wagon moves, what the counterwagons are. who gets on and who doesn't.
none of this is different for a policy lynch than a regular lynch.

They still exist, true, but with a policy lynch, people's reasons for joining or not joining it are generally not related to their alignment.

I mean u going hard defense on TSE, and that's info that's gonna be useful tomorrow. More useful if we know what TSEs align is.
So yer 'no info from policy lynches' stance is kinda nonsensisical.

what do ya think of me pushing for a info lynch, yet calling info lynching crappy?

prediction: SS will get ran up regardless of TSE's alignment b/c SS looks bad for defending him period

[Nero Cain]

a50 is very evil.

[Nero Cain]

but can't we just policy lynch TSE today and then lynch Garmr tomorrow?

[Nero Cain]

i'll vote garmr when TSE is dead

[Nero Cain]

that TSE wagon got derailed hard

[Nero Cain]

Well I know for a straight out fact 1 of the people on my starting wagon is scum.

you'd only know this if u were getting bussed so :/

[Nero Cain]

i mean maybe I'm just salty for getting OMGUS voted but

I just think people should be wagoned for something they did. How they did it. Why they did it.

your wagon was mostly an RVS shit wagon it seemed like and this post seems not right to me. Like he was taking his wagon way SRS and it sees p scummy to me.

[Nero Cain]

Well I know for a straight out fact 1 of the people on my starting wagon is scum.

you'd only know this if u were getting bussed so :/

So your actually saying that’s pure town that was on me?

this is TSE trying to change the direction of questioning to something more favorable for him.

you said there was 1 scum voting you. Why that number?

die u scum bag

[Nero Cain]

well you didn't say "at least" you said there was one and you phrased it as a fact. "There is 1 scum on my wagon" not "I think there is 1 scum"

[Nero Cain]

Well I know for a straight out fact 1 of the people on my starting wagon is scum.

there is no "I think" here.

u said u knew. How would u know?

and to be honest, a game with 13 scum and u pick the lowest possible # seems a bit...eh

[Nero Cain]

in the hopes that he targets his buddies? Its fruit from the poisonous tree and he's likely not a bg anyway.

lets lynch it.

[Nero Cain]

then insomnia

[Nero Cain]

then garmr

[Nero Cain]

then Egix96

[Nero Cain]

I know there will be scum on the wagon is a given

but is it?

There are 36 town in this game. Why is it impossible that of the 9 ppl that votd him we can't all possible be town?

[Nero Cain]

and then he started playing revisionist and went from "I know" to "I think" and that's scummy AF

[Nero Cain]

his 149 is pretty much claiming that he's being bussed. Whether or not that's a red herring is up for debate but it still means TSE is scum.

[Nero Cain]

and it's odd that he suddenly disappeared....

[Nero Cain]

Why should he be vigged instead of lynched?

[Nero Cain]

I do? im glad u are here to tell me what I think.

[Nero Cain]

y is TSE town?

[Nero Cain]

I think i've been pretty clear with why I scum read him. maybe read my posts?

[Nero Cain]

TSE is probably town tbh

y?

[Nero Cain]

Who is seth?

[Nero Cain]

i will defend you with my life

^
if TSE is a null read y did u say?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think there are any traitors this and its either dumb town trying to be goofy/slayer gambit or scum playing the "2 scummy 2 b scum" card.

[Nero Cain]

vote TSE get a free scum lynch

[Nero Cain]

scum team 1

insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
profii
Egix96

scum team 2

Garmr

scum on someones team

SausasaurusRex
Black Ranger

[Nero Cain]

fonz we are lynching TSE today, vote there

[Nero Cain]

Don't appeal to the mod :/

[Nero Cain]

fonz we are lynching TSE today, vote there

Not if I have anything to say about it.

shoulda used a better fakeclaim then.

[Nero Cain]

so lets save the mod a replace and lynch a scummy slot with a useless role?

[Nero Cain]

Look at me im so town

[Nero Cain]

scum team 1

insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
profii
Egix96

scum team 2

Garmr

scum on someones team

SausasaurusRex
Black Ranger

so lets save the mod a replace and lynch a scummy slot with a useless role?

first post is LAMIST and the 2nd post is incriminating, in the context of following the first. Just quoting so i can find it later

y are my feelings about who I think are scum LAMIST?

[Nero Cain]

Interestingly you call it scum team 1 and scum team 2 when someone else just openly said the obvious 2nd choice of werewolf...

Considering your word choice is probably more scummy than the dude who didnt

Why is werewolf the "obvious 2nd choice"? Why does Kirari's choice of nomenclature carry so much weight with u?

I mean, why in the world is it "scummy" that I didn't call the 2nd scum team wolves?

[Nero Cain]

I'd have expected town TSE to throw a hissy fit in reaction to being the first wagon tbh, do any of you who were actively scumreading him want to explain how they think he'd have reacted differently?

I mean, i guess I can see where TSE would throw a hissy fit for being wagoned but he also got wagoned in mainstream and he seemed like he had pretty thick skin. Also, imo, maybe his early RVS wagon was about him being "toxic" and was mean but in the last few pages I was just scum reading him and pointing out inconsistencies, so it just looks like bowing out under pressure.

[Nero Cain]

fonz we are lynching TSE today, vote there

Not if I have anything to say about it.

shoulda used a better fakeclaim then.

Why would he would fakeclaim Loud Bodyguard as scum though?

he prob DOES have a loud mod. BG is just a safe claim to make as scum. He wasn't even that close to a lynch. Why claim so early?

[Nero Cain]

I shouldn’t keep doing this but Nero is getting on my nerves.
“I didn’t even know I was being voted I just claimed it because the role suicides itself”

a BG claim buys you

TIME!

As scum, you don't want to get lynched d1. Using Fonz as an example here, but he doesn't want to lynch you b/c your slot is "self resolving" That's buying you the time you needed. Scum you dying d3 instead of d1 gives u 2 nights of actions.

[Nero Cain]

IF

TSE isn't going to be lynched today we should lynch profii.


TSE or profii. Make it so.

[Nero Cain]

Fonz, lets say that we don't lynch TSE today. Are we going to pl his slot d3 for not being dead?

b/c @ this point I HIGHLY doubt the 2nd scum team or the SK or even the first team (if I'm wrong *gasp*) are going to shoot him.


Are u a member of the TSE/profi scum team or something?

[Nero Cain]

I HATE Day 1.

There's nothing I hate more than Day 1.

A reminder: I HATE day 1

for a guy that hates day 1 you are sure trying to keep visible.

[Nero Cain]

I think it's a lot more than 10 at this point

I think all games should require a backup regardless of how good the mod thinks they are.

[Nero Cain]

thats kinda mean

[Nero Cain]

calling the scum teams 1 and 2 is me being conscious? This seems very stretchy and reminds me of your scum game.

[Nero Cain]

What would u have called the 2 scum teams?

[Nero Cain]

something is off...

[Nero Cain]

What would u have called the 2 scum teams?

probably scum and werewolves...

if anything it's less likely that I'd mix them up than if i said red scum blue scum

if that's what you'd call them y did you prod kirari about calling a 2nd team wolves?

how do you know the other scum faction are werewolves ?

and then use kirari to chide me over using scum team 1 and 2.

Also

strongly disagree

with Fonz that you are doing scum hunting. Light pushing me over using not wolves and throwing out a pressure point but meaningless q @ kirari seems very surface lvl @ best.

[Nero Cain]

someone said it collects the vote but you have to do something to tell it to post a vc

[Nero Cain]

Here's a game where Hectic was way different D1.

he was town that game, doesn't that mean he is somewhat likely to be scum here?

[Nero Cain]

ahh, good guy to burn an invest on then.

[Nero Cain]

apparently hectics meta doesn't matter but still going "I hate d1, Ima going to lurk" but coming in again and again to remind us is a lil' scummy.

[Nero Cain]

Also that #311 by Nero Cain smells bad.

y?

ppl r super sympathetic on this site and replaces are less likely to get lynched for the sake that they replaced out.

What is your read on TSE?

[Nero Cain]

if you think TSE looks like scum and you basically agree with me its kinda a headscratcher that you felt like a my continued push of his slot was scummy.

ofc u have "311 is less bad upon reflection, but only because this is multiball" to fall back on but still. I don't get the mb part though.

[Nero Cain]

If you think I accepted TSE' claim then u clearly aren't reading and are hard cherry picking.

[Nero Cain]

in fairness, I would like to more about Kirari's reads but I still feel like TSE is a decent lynch or profii.

[Nero Cain]

better lynches than kirari i think

[Nero Cain]

but there are plenty of town that post reasonless read list. Mastina for instance.

and not gonna lie, I'm still a bit salty.

What do u think of profii?

[Nero Cain]

Well I know for a straight out fact 1 of the people on my starting wagon is scum.

im having a very hard time looking @ this post and going "oh thats so not what he meant"

but yes, Fonz parroting me could be a scum thing so nice call there.

[Nero Cain]

Are u an icon alt?

[Nero Cain]

Well I know for a straight out fact 1 of the people on my starting wagon is scum.

I’m willing to bet there’s probably more then 1 scum in here.

these statements are so different though?

If 149 is explained away be being overconfident why did he falter in 162?

Well I know for a straight out fact 1 of the people on my starting wagon is scum.

you'd only know this if u were getting bussed so :/

So your actually saying that’s pure town that was on me?

and then I just really hated how he tried to change the narrative here.

Do you still think saying that “I think there’s at least 1 Scum in a shit top wagon”
Is scummy?
Do you think it’s wrong?

and here he's writing off 149 like it didn't exist.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Nero Cain

go back to "lurking"

[Nero Cain]

profi. Its p20 and your still voting your RVS. Wanna talk about it?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Black Ranger

if you scum read kirari why not join Drixx there?

[Nero Cain]

Why the hell would anyone vote the former over the latter?

Drixx did.

[Nero Cain]

Why is posting who i think is scummy LAMIST?

@ kage

[Nero Cain]

This early in the game it seems unlikely to have reads that strong

I can't have scum reads early game? Why not? When am I able to start having reads?

[Nero Cain]

yeah ok, i'll prob lynch you down the line if I haven't solved yet b/c that "there's not enough content to justify those reads" seems like a load of bullshit.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, maybe its the hubris talking but I sorta feel like im on the right track b/c we have Fonz, profii, kage and hectic light pushing me for bullshit reasons

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, I wouldn't count on that, you're getting lynched before he is.

says the guy defending the snork out of scum profii and TSE.

[Nero Cain]

I just didn't see enough content to justify those reads.

Please point out the reads you're referring to.

he's talking about

scum team 1

insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
profii
Egix96

scum team 2

Garmr

scum on someones team

SausasaurusRex
Black Ranger

[Nero Cain]

*shrugz*

I'm saying that if you are sitting there and calling an early reads list "LAMIST" you are giving yourself the freedom to use it as an excuse to vote anytime you want and there's some possible scum motivation there.

[Nero Cain]

town should always be voicing their opinion. A voice and vote is our best wpn and im going to certainly use mine.

[Nero Cain]

if you are wanting to replace out stop posting if you want to stay stay and try and fail to lynch me.

[Nero Cain]

Since when is there more then 1 Mafia Team?

is this a fake town slip?

[Nero Cain]

if u r staying here's a q. What was the point in claiming in your first post?

[Nero Cain]

He’s Flailing.

I don't think you know what that means.

The fact that Nero never even said his take on how many scum he thinks are on MY wagon.

but its irrelevant pushback.

In 149 you said you

KNEW

that a very specific number of scum were pushing you and I pushed you on that.

Fonz (and insom kinda) is saying that its overconfidence that made you post a post were you accused yourself of getting bussed.

I mean later you go on to say that it was more than just me that was scum on your wagon but yeah.

I was calling insomnia and Garnr scum so 2 IG.

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, your reads are bad and you should feel bad. Unless you are scum ofc.

how do you know the alignments of other players?

if you say you don't then how can u know my reads are bad?

[Nero Cain]

but then when i pushed u on it you danced around the issue instead of just owning up to "shit at communication" and I'm watch Fonz, insomnia and profii make excuses for you. So if you are town then u r getting white knighted, brro.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not sure if I should believe that you forgot that this game was MB AND didn't read the op AND missed all the times is was talked about in thread.

[Nero Cain]

What would you have done in my situation?

not deflect

[Nero Cain]

but there are plenty of town that post reasonless read list. Mastina for instance.

Posting reads lists like that, at least to me, is a good way to make yourself look busy without actually doing anything or participating in discussion, which is scummy. I think it's also unreasonable to have reads on every single player who's posted up until now which is why it looks especially faked in a game of this size.

I'm sure im a bit bias since i think alot of thier reads line up with mine. I understand the "they aren't adding to discussion and is scummy" but im just not gung-ho about it. And honestly, Fonz getting so bent out of shape over it seems kinda off when there are shit tons of ppl that are scummier and doing way less. I mean, I can't lie here. Kirari hasn't done much, I understand that. Fonz' whole spiel about me not scum reading her and being frantic about it seems so agenda-driven.

[Nero Cain]

If your scum. Given the interaction towards me. One of your team mates were also on my wagon.

who is my supposed scumbuddy?

[Nero Cain]

see you just keep deflecting and it makes you look just scummy as shit.

[Nero Cain]

he's voting you. I like him better than you.

[Nero Cain]

NGL, it's hard for me to see past this.

Well I know for a straight out fact 1 of the people on my starting wagon is scum.

Well I know for a straight out fact 1 of the people on my starting wagon is scum.

you'd only know this if u were getting bussed so :/

So your actually saying that’s pure town that was on me?

IMO, this is a deflection and it seems v scummy to me.

I mean, look guy, maybe I'm an ass for calling you toxic and lulz voting you and its possible that set you on edge. But don't you kinda think you've proved that you are toxic?

But if you are town I don't see how you aren't looking at the players defending you b/c that's gonna be a white knight but honestly, at this point, I just kinda want to lynchh you out of spite. And I know that ppl will use it to push on me but thats how I feel. So w/e

[Nero Cain]

I think trying to call a four player associative day one is super dumb,

*shrugz*

I calls em like I see em. Maybe im right, maybe im wrong but its still my opinion.

I think TSE is scummy for how he worded his post and then deflected from it.

profii has done next to nothing and light pushed me for dumb as rocks reasoning after I called him scum. He did the same when I played with scum him in some normal that we lost b/c I called Jake from state farm a town terrorist.

I didn't really like insomnia's thing about wanting to keep TSE around "b/c he's funny". And he was null reading him wich I felt like a scummy thing. OFC, insomnia is voting him now so eh?

Egix96 agreeing with SS about the TSE wagon felt like it would be a solid way for scum to avoid voting a buddy. And then 234 made me feel like the TSE/Proffi/EG team was going to try Jackal as a CW. There's alot of fluff and little in the way of original opinions.

VOTE: No Lynch

Unless half this player list is down to lynch garmr scum

I really think this is the right day 1 move just with how impossible it will be to create wagons

That doesn't seem very fun though...

If you think that Garmr is scum, there shouldn't be anything stopping you from voting him anyway...

this also push to get BB on a growing garmr wagon also didn't feel great.

[Nero Cain]

So I think I have solid as fuck reasoning compared to your "GRRRR YOU'RE NOT SCUM READING KIRARI!" but you only had like a what? 30% chance you thought she was scum?

[Nero Cain]

In fairness, Kage hasn't played with me b4 (i don't think) so he gets a little leeway but come on "you can't have reads early game". What the ever loving fuck is that shit?

[Nero Cain]

In fairness, Kage hasn't played with me b4 (i don't think) so he gets a little leeway but come on "you can't have reads early game". What the ever loving fuck is that shit?

That is you misrepresenting him.

This early in the game it seems unlikely to have reads that strong.

I just didn't see enough content to justify those reads.

So how do I put it then? He's accusing me of having fake reads no that I can't have early reads?

How would he know if my reads or fake or not? Seems like a pretty baseless accusation to me.

[Nero Cain]

*shrugz*

I'm saying that if you are sitting there and calling an early reads list "LAMIST" you are giving yourself the freedom to use it as an excuse to vote anytime you want and there's some possible scum motivation there.

I don't see it as a good enough reason to vote by any means.

What's not a good enough reason to vote?

Are you normally this hesitant with

YOUR

vote?

[Nero Cain]

Mafia can technically be unaware of there being a second team.

yes, in a game that was advertised and is semi-open scum are unaware.

FFS!

[Nero Cain]

I didn't really like insomnia's thing about wanting to keep TSE around "b/c he's funny". And he was null reading him wich I felt like a scummy thing. OFC, insomnia is voting him now so eh?

Insomnia is not voting for TSE, did you just say the wrong name?

Also, check out

Newbie 1986

which had TSE as town. We had a decent conversation about TSE's play and whether it is actually towny. I see him as playing this game in a similar style so I really don't want to repeat myself but if you have any questions feel free to ask me.

I also think that a few people know that TSE is an easy D1 mislynch that will lead to minimal damage against the mafia team.

@Mod I believe I switched to TSE but I’ll do it again

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

i might check out the game later. My core arguments was TSE wording of "i know there is one scum on my wagon" was odd and then he deflected seemed scummy A F to me. And his loud bg claim after getting like 9 votes seemed :/ OFC he's claiming that he didn't see the votes on him. I mean maybe it really was a communication thing and he's getting these wierd town reads from scum. At this point, I don't really care.

Who do you think targeted him since he was an "easy D1 mislynch"?

[Nero Cain]

is it really?

[Nero Cain]

Nero can get vig’d too but that’s just cuz he’s annoying

im less annoying than you!

*shrugz*

I'm saying that if you are sitting there and calling an early reads list "LAMIST" you are giving yourself the freedom to use it as an excuse to vote anytime you want and there's some possible scum motivation there.

I don't see it as a good enough reason to vote by any means.

What's not a good enough reason to vote?

Are you normally this hesitant with

YOUR

vote?

Yes. I'm a slow thinker. And this all looks really muddy to me. When I rush into a vote when I only have very soft ideas, I mess things up. Pending a vote in mind when I catch up, though. Unless something changed drastically in 4 pages.

At the same time, being hesitant to vote drags the game out and dragging the game out is helpful. Now I do have seen town that take awhile to vote but I think its mostly pro-scum. I also think most players, in general, are v OMGUSy so when u vote someone u make enemies. It behooves scum to make less enemies. Also, I'm far from the only person to have "early reads" why are you singling me out for this and have not called out anyone else out on this?

However, I would like to note that I agree with this position. I don't see this as a slip at all. There were plenty of notices about the set up. This is either dumb, or attempting to mislead somehow I think. I'm not sure, how....

I'm not exactly sure what you think here.

this was advertised as a mb game. TSE is claiming that when he signed up he didn't know is whas MB or even exactly WHAT he was signing up for. Theroretically, a town TSE could not know it was MB.

Also to comment on something Hectic brought up. Lets say you are scum and are in a 50 player game on a 6 man team. You'd have to be like brand spanking new to think you are the only team.

[Nero Cain]

I still want to be replaced Out.
But I can keep contribute until a replace is found.
Unless Wake requests me to stay then I will but I won’t necessarily be caring about this game.

No, that's not how the rules work. If you ask to be replaced you can't keep posting, stop doing it.

Actually, the rules state he can't post after the mod had

announced the replacement request

, and I don't see any declaration of the sort. HOWEVER, it's a violation of the spirit of the rule to state he was going to replace out and either didn't or did and is appealing for Wake to "request him to stay".

Has he broken a rule or was the replace out thing just

AtE?

[Nero Cain]

i mean, the whole profi light pushing ppl on what the scum teams are named is just scum him trying to find a weak mostly useless point to push on. He's doing nothing else.

[Nero Cain]

i'd like to avoid a 100 page d1 as that seems to be the norm here but we should all be consolidating on Black Ranger, profi or TSE.

[Nero Cain]

Tomorrow someone IS going to announce they were visited by TSE

how do you know his target will be alive tomorrow?

[Nero Cain]

Why do you always focus on the small details I get wrong instead of the fact he is most likely lying about not knowing who's in the hood? I know you got your own Masonry going on as you claimed.

in fairness, im in the not Drixx hood and when I first joined Wake had NOT posted a list of who was in the hood. He's edited in now so I doubt BR is lying about that. Although he's prob still scum for what Drixx says.

[Nero Cain]

You missed the mod explicitly explaining how Commuter escapes everything including STRONGMAN (which I took to be a hint Scum/SK may have the ability)

im....really missing something TSE is a loud BG. If he's not lynched today he targets ???? and if their target is still alive tomorrow they will announce that they were protected. You said matter of factly that their target will be alive tomorrow so......???

[Nero Cain]

how do you know his target will be alive tomorrow?

That's kinda the point of a bodyguard, no?

a strongman, for instance, would still bypass a BG.

[Nero Cain]

Drixx / BR / Garmr / tictac

Can all get vig’d

I disagree on Drixx and tictac.

i mean maybe im just getting pocketed by Garmr but this list is terrible aside from BR.


where is Jamelia or kage or Rex or Elsa? or Pine and any of the players that haven't posted here yet? I dunno why you'd have such a tiny vig list.

Nero, what did you mean by "... are you willing to PL TSE by day 3 if he's still alive"? Are we incapable of playing without a flip on TSE or do you want him to self resolve?

I think TSE is a bit scummy. Now according to him, my reasoning is apparently a communication error and he sucks at thinking and typing. Maybe, fine. I also think bodyguard is a safe scumclaim to make. I also did not like how he claimed it so quickly after he was wagoned but apparently he didn't know he was wagoned which is a little I mean maybe he just is really bad town. If not scum he's ML bait and becomes a town liability in late game. So I think he needs to be flipped at some point.

During RVS I was even considering joining the TSE vote just because I didn't want to be the first lynch in a 50 player game.

Why did you think you might have ended up as the first lynch?

I am reading some of his arguments towards me and my reaction is like "really? Is that it"

u weren't scum reading me until I listed you as scum. And your "reason" for scumreading me is just really really weak. In a game with 13 scum in it im your sole scum read? you are doing next to nothing.

Players that can not be on a scum team with nero.

TSE

I'm not sure I agree with this, actually.

??????

you don't scum read TSE but you this TSE and I could be scumtogether?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: profii

lets do this guys

[Nero Cain]

that's kinda talking out of both sides of your mouth, no?

[Nero Cain]

this is going to turn into "find the scum in X hood" game isn't it?

[Nero Cain]

p sure there wasn;t a list in all the hoods and then he edited it in later.

[Nero Cain]

im saying

[Nero Cain]

if you are town you should be really really ashamed of your performance.

[Nero Cain]

the best option is to just lynch Elsa

[Nero Cain]

Can someone summarize why the TSE wagon is a thing?

I haven’t read a goddamn thing. I intend to but if I don’t start playing from here, I’ll fall more and more behind. Ugh.

The TSE wagon started out as an RVS wagon. He then claimed loud bodyguard unprompted and claims he didn't know he was wagoned. He then went on to say that he

KNEW

there was scum on his wagon, i.e claiming he was getting bussed. When I pushed him on this he deflected and now claims it was a "communication error"

He's also been claiming he was replacing out but never did.

He's toxic and immature.

[Nero Cain]

pls stop calling yourself town. Its a disgrace to the actual town. At best you are a green pm.

[Nero Cain]

What do you think of ppl that are not wanting to flip TSE?

[Nero Cain]

i've voting profii. join me :/

[Nero Cain]

Nero’s description sounded like “why TSE deserves to be voted” vs “why TSE is scum.”

If TSE is town, I’m turning sights on Nero.

you asked me why his wagon was a thing. Its certianly going to be from myPOV. This post is weird.

[Nero Cain]

infact yea, you didn't ask why he's scum. You asked why he's a wagon.

[Nero Cain]

oh god I wish ppl would read.

[Nero Cain]

yeah amrun is scum here

Can someone summarize why the TSE wagon is a thing?

you can't blast me for answering your q

[Nero Cain]

Why am I eve wasting my time by responding to scum?

i've voting profii. join me :/

Interesting. Why? Do you think TSE is town?

there are 13 scum in this game, even if TSE is scum he's not the only 1. Why must I be confined to voting only TSE?

[Nero Cain]

amrun doesn't even think TSE is scum, that's like the definition of a go with the flow scum vote.

[Nero Cain]

Why aren’t you being realistic about how you will get a wagon through?

that's not remotely close to what I was saying. More pressure pointed sounding questions that don't match the conversation.

Have you given any thought at all people’s motivations?

I HAVE! if you are scum then going for the wagon with the least resistance makes plenty of sense.

[Nero Cain]

sure but she's still scum.

[Nero Cain]

I'm fine with the wheel and unexplained reads and w/e but the only thing I dislike from KM is her soft defense of Amrun.

amrun doesn't even think TSE is scum, that's like the definition of a go with the flow scum vote.

I think there's going to be a lot of go with the flow votes from town as well though in a 50 player mess like this

[Nero Cain]

I think since Amrun is scum reading me/setting up a chain lynch that MY scum read on her will come off as OMGUSy and be written off but look.

She comes in the game and asks why TSE was getting wagoned. I told her why.

Can someone summarize why the TSE wagon is a thing?

I haven’t read a goddamn thing. I intend to but if I don’t start playing from here, I’ll fall more and more behind. Ugh.

The TSE wagon started out as an RVS wagon. He then claimed loud bodyguard unprompted and claims he didn't know he was wagoned. He then went on to say that he

KNEW

there was scum on his wagon, i.e claiming he was getting bussed. When I pushed him on this he deflected and now claims it was a "communication error"

He's also been claiming he was replacing out but never did.

He's toxic and immature.

"oh you didn't phrase it as if that's why he's scum.

Nero’s description sounded like “why TSE deserves to be voted” vs “why TSE is scum.”

I didn't phrase it that why b/c thats not what you asked. Ofc, she's claiming that a question she asked Elsa makes it where my 997 isn't a response to 989.

TSE was originally a random vote but his response was crappy so he's the designated day 1 lynch. Hope that helps the case, Amrun.

Is there any real indication this crappy response is AI?

I'm Nero. Elsa is some crazy guy that thinks he's an ice princess.

And the "asks a question: oh I didn't like your response" is just old school scum play and how scum her has treated me in the past.

OFC she's saying she's too busy to play and that's mostly null but the same time not reading and throwing down a vote on someone she doesn't even think is scum is not +town.

[Nero Cain]

at what point are you going to sit down and read it them?

[Nero Cain]

How, after playing in chkflip’s game, are you this obtuse about the fact that if we do not no lynch today, it will be an absolute miracle?

We will not have dueling wagons.

We will have 5 piddly wagons that amount to nothing.

Vanity wagoning has the potential to ruin this game.

Don't we still have a week and a half till deadline? Why are you stressing out of getting a lynch with so much time left?

Also, I'm here and active so why is it a big deal that im doing other things with my vote a big deal?

there are shit tons of vanity wagons and useless votes. I made a post a lil' while ago about wanting ppl to consolidate on BR, profil or TSE.

[Nero Cain]

it almost sounds like Amrun wants us to stay on the TSE wagon so a lynch doesn't swing elsewhere.

[Nero Cain]

Would anyone like to play fantasy baseball?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=82320

[Nero Cain]

not even saying I scumread you.

I’d currently lynch you over TSE

Well, that escalated quickly.

I mean look, you feel bad and it sucks. I know. But coming in here and going "oh hey I don't scum read TSE but ima vote him anways" isn't exactly pro-town. Or did you think folks should be town reading you for it?

Why exactly was it important to vote park TSE?

[Nero Cain]

can we lynch profil now?

[Nero Cain]

you guys need to stop being bad and either vote profil, BR or Amrun.

[Nero Cain]

or Fonz, yeah I'd accept a fonz lynch as well.

[Nero Cain]

can we lynch profil now?

sell me on profii being better than aaron or elsa?

he's doing jack squat, outright refused to talk about the game at one point. All he's done is OMGUS scum read me after I called him scum and then tried to talk down my early scum reads. U r scum reading Drixx for this exact same reason.

vote profil

[Nero Cain]

or Fonz, yeah I'd accept a fonz lynch as well.

GDIAF.

then vote profil or STFU

[Nero Cain]

Wolfy vote

not wolfy, just bad.

vote profil

I'm here, but lol if you expect me to catch up.

don't expect me to not want u dead.

Because I want to achieve a lynch and you are severely underplaying how extremely difficult that will be to do.

there's over a week till dl, you fear mongering that when need to pile on TSE/Titus or risk a nl doesn't mesh with reality I think.

So ... what do we think about the people who kept trying to come back to TSE and fearmonger a wagon there by talking about how hard it would be to secure a lynch? It was pretty obvious for days now that TSE was a slot that will self revolve. There are way more interesting slots to consider for today.

yes we know Amrun is scum. Move on and be useful.

vote profil

Amrun not noticing me scum reading her 3 times now must mean she’s scared

You should be

i mean, she notices she just doesn't want to fight with u.

Do you think Pisskop would claim miller as scum?

i am p sure piss has claimed miller and coasted to a win as scum. We'll watch him like a hawk.

now vote profil

[Nero Cain]

Reasons to follow Nero onto profil.

1. I'm town
2. I'm right

[Nero Cain]

I think Drixx's play here is a huge contrast from TvA and I don't think I want to lynch there today.

I'm basically trying to sort people into "would lynch D1" and "would not lynch D1"

hello not town, how are you today?

vote profil if you aren't on his team

[Nero Cain]

There are 13 scum here. Fonz made some post earlier about pushing like 2 or 3 of your reads at a time and I think that's just scum being cautious. I could sneeze and hit scum.

[Nero Cain]

but have you said why?

can we lynch profil now?

sell me on profii being better than aaron or elsa?

he's doing jack squat, outright refused to talk about the game at one point. All he's done is OMGUS scum read me after I called him scum and then tried to talk down my early scum reads. U r scum reading Drixx for this exact same reason.

vote profil

@Nero, if you think Amrun's scum, what do you think of her whiteknighting me but having no opinion on BR or tictac?

What is your read on tictac?

I think it makes you like 40 whatever% less likely to be scum.

tictac is kindaish on the town side of things 4 me. now vote profil

[Nero Cain]

There are 13 scum here. Fonz made some post earlier about pushing like 2 or 3 of your reads at a time and I think that's just scum being cautious. I could sneeze and hit scum.

If that's true, why aren't you going with the majority's sneezes but starting your own wagon?

????

Are u sane?

[Nero Cain]

If that's true, why aren't you going with the majority's sneezes but starting your own wagon?

The majority sneeze would be on you?

Plural. That includes BR and tictac.

What are your reads on them btw?

BR has been a scum read forever.

Why are you so unwilling to vote profil?

[Nero Cain]

@Nero,

I'm not voting profli while you avoid actual constructive conversation in the game and spam to vote someone.

????

I'm responding to everything you ask and providing plenty of content.

True, I kinda deflected your sneeze q but it just seemed dumb and honestly? I didn't really understand it. Like....why should I follow the majority?

TBH, your "Nero isn't responding to me does feel like how you've treated me b4 as scum. hrmmmm...

[Nero Cain]

Profli hasn't even posted since I got here.

so? does that make him town or something?

Why is BR and not tictac? Why not vote BR and campaign for their lynch?

BR is scum for the hood interaction and when he came back he didn't even address his wagon. I want competeing scum wagons and I feel like ppl are overlooking profil. Why are you advocating for me to not use my loud booming voice?

[Nero Cain]

Nero is quite persistent

profil is quite scum

[Nero Cain]

I'm very much town thanks. I don't have a good read on profii one way or the other, would rather lynch elsewhere today.

Does town sort between "would lynch" and "wouldn't lynch? It just seemed like a really weird thing to say.

[Nero Cain]

I'm basically trying to sort people into "would lynch D1" and "would not lynch D1"

like

y not town/scum?

[Nero Cain]

I'm advocating for you to use your voice on the existing wagons rather than tunneling someone who fmpov hasn't even posted. You know I don't read on sub in, so right now you look like a guy ignoring the gamestate to push a vanity read and protecting tictac.

WTF is this?

profil has very much been posting and just b/c you haven't read doesn't mean I can't have a preexisting scum read on him.

I don't have to be confined to the preexisting wagons and you saying that I need to be is wildly scummy.

[Nero Cain]

BR is scum for the hood interaction and when he came back he didn't even address his wagon. I want competeing scum wagons and I feel like ppl are overlooking profil.

The problem with this argument is that we don't know if BR did respond to the argument but did so only in the hood without waiting around for Drixx to update us, which is why arguments contingent on hood interactions are boring

i mean, Drixx aired it all out in the thread so I don't really know why he wouldn't address them. I mean he's claiming that he's behind so theoretically he could have not seen them or he's scum that says that and didn't address them so he can claim behind.

[Nero Cain]

man if Titus is scum then I am so so sorry for getting off but this could also just be her illogical town self. eh

[Nero Cain]

like, i really don't understand her "I haven't seen him (profil) post so FMPOV u r pushing someone that hasn't posted."

SRSLY. what. the. hell?

[Nero Cain]

hey Titus, what do u think of this reasoning?

he's doing jack squat, outright refused to talk about the game at one point. All he's done is OMGUS scum read me after I called him scum and then tried to talk down my early scum reads. U r scum reading Drixx for this exact same reason.

[Nero Cain]

that never catches a wolf nero

good thing he's mafia then

[Nero Cain]

Except for the last sentence, it's how I feel about you?

he's doing jack squat, outright refused to talk about the game at one point. All he's done is OMGUS scum read me after I called him scum and then tried to talk down my early scum reads.

how does ANY of this apply to me?

[Nero Cain]

profil/titus team seems kinda likely yeah?

[Nero Cain]

like either this is x-men again or TSE really was scum. Like holy shit, these opinions are so bad. "Don't push profil, consolidate on the existing wagons." its the same shit scum Amrun is doing.

[Nero Cain]

there are 13 scum in this game. Town

SHOULD

be casting a wide net.

[Nero Cain]

profil, care to respond to my allegations against u?

[Nero Cain]

outright refused to talk about the game at one point. All

Did I

u did!

at least imho.

profi. Its p20 and your still voting your RVS. Wanna talk about it?

Not really. I'm going to bed

its now page 50+ Wanna talk about your reads n things now?

[Nero Cain]

I think it's easier to get town reads in this game than scum reads and I'm not a big share-er when it comes to those

that would make an excellent scum strategy.

and I feel the exact opposite. With 13 scum in a 50 player game I surprised @ your lack of paranoia.

[Nero Cain]

you were is pretty scummy

no need to scum hunt caught scum. Let's talk about Titus. Illogical lunatic or scum?

[Nero Cain]

Nero Cain, can you out the other members of your neighborhood, please?

I

can

but I wanted to maybe talk it over with them first. There are 7 of us.

[Nero Cain]

right

[Nero Cain]

but she's always wolfy regardless of alignment. She's like a sheep in wolves' clothing. :/

[Nero Cain]

i'm @ the top of the list wich means im the hood leader. I feel all-powerful.

[Nero Cain]

I'm going to stop responding to Nero unless there is a good reason

lets see if this is a good reason, why should ppl town read u?

[Nero Cain]

norwayboi.

talk to me about profii?

[Nero Cain]

can we lynch profil now?

sell me on profii being better than aaron or elsa?

he's doing jack squat, outright refused to talk about the game at one point. All he's done is OMGUS scum read me after I called him scum and then tried to talk down my early scum reads. U r scum reading Drixx for this exact same reason.

vote profil

since this he's been p much waving off my scumread and has admitted to getting more town reads than scum reads wich I think is scum sitting back and playing it safe.

u should vote there with me.

[Nero Cain]

I've looked at Profii's ISO. And while i don't see much reason to outright believe he is town. I'd prefer putting tictacs vote on TSE and Black Ranger's supposed weird hood playstyle under more scrutiny. They are scummier.

just in case you didn't get my point why I think profii is scummy for having more town reads than scum reads. There are 37 town, a second scum team of 6 and a SK. That's effectively 44 town. He can call practically the entire game town and be mostly right. Town reading is a low key pocket. He's scum but ok.

[Nero Cain]

more scum. All 13 scum are equally scummy. I think BR is scum but even if he was (or if I'm wrong on tic tac) there's still 11 scum besides those 2. What makes profii impossible to be one of those 11 other scum?

[Nero Cain]

she was calling TSE town but was voting there just to get a lynch.

[Nero Cain]

Everyone is genuinely scum-hunting.

not really. There are tons of players doing squat all like profii, egix, jamella etc.

I don't feel that I (or town in general) should limit their scumhunting to existing wagons. That's potentially making the gamestate safe for scum. If they are comfortable with the wagons then they'd not want new ones to form. I feel like profii is getting mad underlooked and its my duty to shine light on him/any other scum. I really really dislike Titus' "don't talk about Profii!" and im debating going back there.


You'll have to explain the tic tac wagon b/c I just don't really see it. Is there even a case on him since it seems like it just randomly popped up.

[Nero Cain]

See with the combined power of your loud booming voices this is a thing that could happen and I being the loyal sheep that I am would whole-heartidly support.

Is this you agreeing with us that Amrun is scum? If Amrun is scum and one of the things she was doing was trying to consolidate on TSE, why are you ok with Titus doing the same thing and wanting to limit discussion to the current wagons?

[Nero Cain]

sure man.

[Nero Cain]

I look forward to seeing some content from you, Jamella.

[Nero Cain]

hi army

[Nero Cain]

there are 13 scum in this game. Town

SHOULD

be casting a wide net.

Identifying people who might be scum is cool, but I think part of the message is that we'll have to choose one to lynch.

agreed.

VOTE: Titus

[Nero Cain]

yes

[Nero Cain]

Nero's voting me for saying his push will go nowhere.

this is a very interesting interpretation of events. As I disagree that you were telling me it would "go nowhere" but telling me to limit my scumhunting to 2 players.

[Nero Cain]

Like Nero's either scum with tictac or

needs to learn people who correct him are probably town.

Of course, over the years that's never happened but at least Nero's not Albert B. Rampage (not a player in this game).

?????

I've asked and no one has even explained why a tic tac wagon is even a thing. It's all strong-arming. Just b/c a somewhat large group thinks he's scum doesn't necessarily mean u guys are right.

I don't really know what the bolded means but no it does not.

[Nero Cain]

Wrong. I said push your scumread that's already wagoned. Limit your scumhunting is not something I'd say.

I'd say that telling me to push BR

is

telling me to narrow/limit my scumhunting.

[Nero Cain]

Pushing a wagon that one one else wants

how would I know no one else wants it if I don't push it?

now it's true that 5 players will be less likely to vote him but still. If I feel like someone deserves more attention I shouldn't have to not do it just b/c he's not a major wagon. Day 1 is the best day for scumhunting. Today is the best day for flailing about. Telling me and town to pick betwwn BR and Tic Tac with a week and a half left is massively bad.

[Nero Cain]

He’s saying that you are killing the momentum on the popular/leading wagon. And considering this is a 50 player game that’s not being very helpful.

but I didn't like the tic tac wagon and I was willing to give Titus a chance. I wouldn't even consider the BR wagon to be a "major" wagon. It got what? A max of 5 votes?

And maybe I was killing momentum, who know who'd complain about that? Scum.

[Nero Cain]

if they are happy and comfortable in the current game state they don't want it t change. I don't think that's something a town 2011 join date asks.

[Nero Cain]

I'd also like to note that a potential scum Titus is a much bigger boon than a scum TSE.

[Nero Cain]

u do not think that if the scum is happy with a current gamestate they'd like it to stay the same?

[Nero Cain]

he's been tunneling tse/Titus all day. If you want to argue that he's scum that's doing that fine but that just seems null 2 me. I think the uproar of "OMG he voted Titus." is stupid.

[Nero Cain]

There's nothing in that slot that would be particularly difficult or risky for scum.

sure but it's not really a great case to fawn over. I think Titus, regardless of alignment, is going to want him dead. At the same time, she

IS

very very very OMGUSY as scum so it wouldn't surprise me if she was. Also, her argument about me pushing a vanity wagon b/c she hadn't seen him post yet was very very dumb.

[Nero Cain]

@ Gobble

Eth0s
Jackal711
Something_Smart
Gold Robster
Kirari Momobami
Dolly Parton

[Nero Cain]

like the BR case is a wholva lot more interesting than "tic tac has been tunneling me all day, he must b scum!"

[Nero Cain]

like maybe if someone had evidence that tic tac was more likely to tunnel as scum then town fine but no one is presenting that and Titus' case seems 2 be "he voted me!"

[Nero Cain]

im voting the lead wagon that I like, why switch?

[Nero Cain]

no

[Nero Cain]

i'm tired of her antics, regardless of alignment but I could see her as scum.

and upon reflection

Gut instinct, at least one of Black Ranger/tic tac is scum but they are not on the same team.

Black Ranger (5): The Fonz, Almost50, NorwegianboyEE, AaronFrost, Elsa Jay
tictac (4): insomnia, Rhinox, Black Ranger, Not Known 15

she comes in and her top two scum reads just happen to be the top two wagons that aren't her.

[Nero Cain]

mass modkill

[Nero Cain]

then shouldn't you be voting someone you think is scum?

[Nero Cain]

I am not going to effort this game. I'm too busy

kool story bro. you mind if I target you tonight?