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[Titus]

Wow. Holy shit that's a wagon.

Gut instinct, at least one of Black Ranger/tic tac is scum but they are not on the same team.

VOTE: Black Ranger

Read up later.

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Why do you think TSE is scum, Drixx? The claim sounds town.

I checked the ISO on this. Loud Bodyguard is pretty self resolving.

I likely won't live to full on VCA.

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I am NOT alt hunting, I promise. I just had this feeling reading 1053 that it looks very much like something Alisae would say. Like, very very much.

KM is definitely an alt. I know who but I can't remember.

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Why do you think TSE is scum, Drixx? The claim sounds town.

Having just had a little bit of bad luck screw up a great BG fake claim that could have propelled me into end game ... I have to ask ... why do you assume the LOUD confirms the BG? I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way.

BG is self resolving. In a 50 player game, I should be dead early. If we reach 20 alive and I am still here, worry then.

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Why do you think TSE is scum, Drixx? The claim sounds town.

Having just had a little bit of bad luck screw up a great BG fake claim that could have propelled me into end game ... I have to ask ... why do you assume the LOUD confirms the BG? I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way.

BG is self resolving. In a 50 player game, I should be dead early. If we reach 20 alive and I am still here, worry then.

As I said ... you replaced into a doomed slot. If TSE was being honest, then you will either eat a death aimed at someone else or you're gonna get roped when you don't.

If it was a fake claim, you will end up not eating a death aimed at someone else and you'll eat rope.

You're a dead Titus walking.

Well if I am a dead player walking, it's best to use me as you suggested. I am a lightning rod for scum actions (psychologically anyway). It'll let me demonstrate I'm town and protect y'all.

That question of why didn't I die is not a question for today. You know that and so do I. So why is my wagon large now? Scum don't want to waste a roleblock? Threatened by BR or tictac wagons?

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That ninja puts Drixx in my town pool. Just saying...

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@Drixx, I probably would have shot you. I would have shot the most likely scum candidate fmpov. In order to have you live to lylo, all of my other suspects would have to be lynched. I play to win and play friendly but I don't directly decide who wins based on friendship (unless a cognitive bias does that). So TDLR, it depends but likely you.

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The biggest issue with a scum Drixx and/or Cerb is that I struggle combatting you directly. I do things like steal your role and then you can lay on the AtE well.

You did similar to open TvA. I knew you knew better but lynching a Cerb/Drixx day 1 is always dumb.

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I am tempted to keep Titus around to see how she does VCA involving 50 players lol. However, there needs to be some kind of consensus on some other player if we're gonna get 26 votes on someone.

Titus, why tictac/Black Ranger?

Observation.

The wagons tbh. It's a weak D1 guess to start me moving, knowing I am town.

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Ok yup tictac is scum. Willing to vote there too.

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@Amrun, Thoughts on Black Ranger and tictac?

I hope that this game goes exactly like Wake's Rolemadness did day 1 (minus the gunsmith). Got wagoned D1, got like 6 straight guilties.

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@Amrun, what about KM?

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VOTE: tictac

I'm a sucker for the compliment.

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VOTE: tictac

I'm a sucker for the compliment.

Easy pocket

I’m gonna treat you as tree stump as well this game titus

Can I screech at Amrun?

You should check my iso i went after tictac kindaaaaa hard

Do what you want. I try to be laissez-faire d1.

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@Drixx, I probably would have shot you. I would have shot the most likely scum candidate fmpov. In order to have you live to lylo, all of my other suspects would have to be lynched. I play to win and play friendly but I don't directly decide who wins based on friendship (unless a cognitive bias does that). So TDLR, it depends but likely you.

Not sure how this other game stuff helps this game.

I'm not 100% sure how it helps either. If it's kept to a single post or two, it might as well be answered. Different people find use in different things.

I'll answer almost anything put to me.

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Yeah tictac's reaction to Titus' replace is

really bad.

There's room for you on tictac's wagon.

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@Nero, if you think Amrun's scum, what do you think of her whiteknighting me but having no opinion on BR or tictac?

What is your read on tictac?

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There are 13 scum here. Fonz made some post earlier about pushing like 2 or 3 of your reads at a time and I think that's just scum being cautious. I could sneeze and hit scum.

If that's true, why aren't you going with the majority's sneezes but starting your own wagon?

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If that's true, why aren't you going with the majority's sneezes but starting your own wagon?

The majority sneeze would be on you?

Plural. That includes BR and tictac.

What are your reads on them btw?

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how did titus even become a wagon

someone post a VC scum are trying to deflect the real scum lynch

which is tictac

I am the new TSE. I inherited his votes. The only one I got since joining is tictac.

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@Nero,

I'm not voting profli while you avoid actual constructive conversation in the game and spam to vote someone.

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If that's true, why aren't you going with the majority's sneezes but starting your own wagon?

The majority sneeze would be on you?

Plural. That includes BR and tictac.

What are your reads on them btw?

BR has been a scum read forever.

Why are you so unwilling to vote profil?

Why is BR and not tictac? Why not vote BR and campaign for their lynch?

Tictac has a wagon and I scumread him. Profli hasn't even posted since I got here.

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@Nero,

I'm advocating for you to use your voice on the existing wagons rather than tunneling someone who fmpov hasn't even posted. You know I don't read on sub in, so right now you look like a guy ignoring the gamestate to push a vanity read and protecting tictac.

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Ok if Tictac flips scum, I want Nero next. That only applies in tictac scum world though.

Part of me says Nero's just making busiwork but Nero and I butting heads is a perpetual condition.

Pedit: Welcome aboard Aaron

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Nero's just making busiwork

I am under this assumption

What's your thoughts on tictac?

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hey Titus, what do u think of this reasoning?

he's doing jack squat, outright refused to talk about the game at one point. All he's done is OMGUS scum read me after I called him scum and then tried to talk down my early scum reads. U r scum reading Drixx for this exact same reason.

Except for the last sentence, it's how I feel about you? Your push on profli is noise, detracting from what everyone else is interested in sorting.

*shrug*

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Tictac

Just to confirm, your read on chemist is a serious one? Can you explain it? Also, do you have history (the negative kind, not meta) with A50?

Is this meant to be a vote on tictac? Or just bolded to get his attention?

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Yeah Kimari is either Kray Kray obsessing with me or just a stalker. She's mentioned my name like 10 times. "Okay but what about Elsa" feels like a tic she can't stop saying.

Ignoring that Anime Girl for a bit, can someone do me a solid and put the main people we wanna lynch now in a single educated post?

Tictac because moonlogic and their scummy response to my sub in.

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Nero, do you think Titus is a better wagon than tictac?

He's voting with the guy he's repeating is scum over and over.

Nero's voting me for saying his push will go nowhere. *shrug* If you got a big ego, I'm going to bring you to reality. Some people don't like that.

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Like Nero's either scum with tictac or needs to learn people who correct him are probably town. Of course, over the years that's never happened but at least Nero's not Albert B. Rampage (not a player in this game).

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Nero's voting me for saying his push will go nowhere.

this is a very interesting interpretation of events. As I disagree that you were telling me it would "go nowhere" but telling me to limit my scumhunting to 2 players.

Wrong. I said push your scumread that's already wagoned. Limit your scumhunting is not something I'd say.

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We have 50 players. Pushing a wagon that one one else wants is a bad idea unless townreading the major wagons.

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Like Nero's either scum with tictac or

needs to learn people who correct him are probably town.

Of course, over the years that's never happened but at least Nero's not Albert B. Rampage (not a player in this game).

?????

I've asked and no one has even explained why a tic tac wagon is even a thing. It's all strong-arming. Just b/c a somewhat large group thinks he's scum doesn't necessarily mean u guys are right.

I don't really know what the bolded means but no it does not.

Nero, we fight every game. No one else is calling you out for your spamtastic play. It's because you get like this.

I said why the back half of the wagon is a thing. Tictac's scummy vote on me. Multiple people have reacted to the post saying it's wierd and/or scummy.

You need to start listening. Gtg.

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Wrong. I said push your scumread that's already wagoned. Limit your scumhunting is not something I'd say.

I'd say that telling me to push BR

is

telling me to narrow/limit my scumhunting.

You can catch scum without pushing them btw. You can only push one or two at a time.

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She’s saying that you are killing the momentum on the popular/leading wagon. And considering this is a 50 player game that’s not being very helpful.

+1

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Day 1 is the best day for scumhunting. Today is the best day for flailing about. Telling me and town to pick betwwn BR and Tic Tac with a week and a half left is massively bad.

I think you're assuming this is forever. Wrong. The wagons get going. Highlight profili obvscumming in the middle (assuming he is). His reactions tell you about the alignments of the other two. If we pushed up both wagons and profili legit didn't care, you could use that. If both show themselves town, then push profili.

But screaming profili scum is likely to get you ignored and bitched at.

Work with us.

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Ok now I really gtg.

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Drixx do you see a possible faction in Nero tictac and Black Ranger KM? Do you see any of the four being linked as one faction or is that too convenient? They could defend each other solely because they are useful and I could just be annoyed.

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Perhaps I have played with wake, ever and have a reading comprehension level above a 6th grader?

Perhaps we should add jackass to your list of offenses.

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Oh, so Kirari is secretly Weiss Schnee! I thought she was Krazy. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Guess I should've realized from them both having white hair.

Weiss is also Krazy.

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How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?

Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?

In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sure

I'm treating it as NAI for now, but watching for buddying now that you've flagged it

I'm very predictable in terms of looking at day 1 to solve alignments. It's something that most anyone could predict that I'd look at the most recent VC and say something.

The only reason I laid off as much in TvA is that I was expecting vote fuckery that never really csme.

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"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

Bingo. Why is she that confident in Titus town?

And it’s not a wild thought. It’s an insane thought.

In a game where town are uninformed, interpretations like Nero’s are the more townier ones. Town have to scum hunt. Amrun’s interpretation there is ridiculous if it comes from an uninformed PoV. Even if she town read her, I doubt she’d go such great lengths of thoughts to explain why that action comes from town!Titus.

She justified it as a counter to Nero’s accusation, it wasn’t even something picked up on the go. You need to have a high confidence read on someone in order to twist your mind like that, fall into wifom assumptions and come up even half as confident as Amrun looked stating that now.

It’s mind boggling.

Ok this is two townreads saying it, I might need to take another look but I feel this type of look holds more weight in singleball.

If Amrun is scum, I suspect they'd want to keep me around for ~reasons~.

@Drixx, what do you think of recent Amrun's posts?

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I'm not nitpicking though, I'm trying to understand Nero's profii read because I don't think it makes much sense. There are far scummier slots and Nero is being uncooperative by continuing to tunnel profii despite there being far scummier slots to wagon right now. If that comes off as nitpicking, then so be it.

Anyways I have to go, not fully caught up as of right now, hope to be by tonight.

Is this finally the rare game where you're town with me? Please say it is.

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neither you or AF are town.

Also, why have you not responded to the allegation that your dual scum reads on the top two not you wagons are scummy?

Are you just content to let Amrun defend you? How do you feel about her defending you?

Spoiler: Where it's answered

How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?

Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?

In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sure

I'm treating it as NAI for now, but watching for buddying now that you've flagged it

I'm very predictable in terms of looking at day 1 to solve alignments. It's something that most anyone could predict that I'd look at the most recent VC and say something.

The only reason I laid off as much in TvA is that I was expecting vote fuckery that never really csme.

"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

Bingo. Why is she that confident in Titus town?

And it’s not a wild thought. It’s an insane thought.

In a game where town are uninformed, interpretations like Nero’s are the more townier ones. Town have to scum hunt. Amrun’s interpretation there is ridiculous if it comes from an uninformed PoV. Even if she town read her, I doubt she’d go such great lengths of thoughts to explain why that action comes from town!Titus.

She justified it as a counter to Nero’s accusation, it wasn’t even something picked up on the go. You need to have a high confidence read on someone in order to twist your mind like that, fall into wifom assumptions and come up even half as confident as Amrun looked stating that now.

It’s mind boggling.

Ok this is two townreads saying it, I might need to take another look but I feel this type of look holds more weight in singleball.

If Amrun is scum, I suspect they'd want to keep me around for ~reasons~.

@Drixx, what do you think of recent Amrun's posts?

I get you're tunneling on me now for noise, but at least ask something that's not already answered.

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Seeking replacement for Uncrowned.

does this mean the other three have confirmed they're playing only by PM?

More likely Uncrowned outed by PM.

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at least ask something that's not already answered

Titus I love you, but this is pretty rich coming from you

Ooh, so this means I get more money in the future?

I do acknowledge when I get repetitive but at least I pay attention to my tunnel target.

Tell me, what are your thoughts on Nero. Why do I feel like we're reading two different games?

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I'm very predictable in terms of looking at day 1 to solve alignments. It's something that most anyone could predict that I'd look at the most recent VC and say something.

you aren't going to solve d1 just by looking @ wagons. It's a survival mode that you just happened to scum read the top two wagons that weren't you. I think your response is underwhelming.

I think your opinion is a waste of space since you're not using it to further the game in anyway. Any further "Titus is scum" comments will summarily be ignored for the sanity of the thread.

What do you think of KM here?

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I remember them pushing me and nothing else

then u rly aren't reading and paying attention to the game.

that's correct

do you want a cookie

i would LOVE a cookie

I am the Cookie Baker.

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I have X number of scum reads. I do think I'm right but it's numerically possibly that I could be wrong. Fonz saying that I will be right on some of them is a slip, no?

No. It is not.

Does your back hurt from stretching to try and make people into scum?

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Fonz, I am punting on your question. I'll explain why later.

Nero, what's your Rex read?

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I've been scum reading Rex for awhile now. Why are you asking questions that I've already answered?

If I scumread Rex, would you vote there with me?

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VOTE: SausasaurusRex

Dave and Amrun's votes tied them. I am now tiebreaking it. Rex's wagon overpassed mine.

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Not feeling well. Will try to post substantively tmo.

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VOTE: Drixx

Boo. Bad vote.

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Drixx is scum, I just came out of his ISO and it smelled like shit

VOTE: Drixx

Really feel like this bravado is a fake act. Look through his ISO.

His TSE push / scum read was non-existent and he deflected it into a “he should be policied at this point” even though he admitted he was playing according to his town play style.

This slot reeks. I mean I probably exude self-confidence but I at least have the reasoning to back it up. He’s placing a vote on KM for using a wheel and acting like he caught the most obvious scum in his entire life.

Drop the act drixx, fierce look isn’t good on you. It’s wolfy.

Drixx / BR / tictac / Amrun can all go

This isn't Drixx from T v A.

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VOTE: Dolly Parton

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Titus, I kind of need you to take a stance on Drixx. You know him well. That statement of yours is as blank as it gets, I don’t even know if you were defending him or what you were trying to convey.

So?

I'm strongly defending him. Drixx was scum in TvA. Had no real energy despite me trying to get more from him.

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And I get that thought because he was so awkward around his team mates. He doesn’t have to worry about it.

Early game is easy for people that generally have issues playing as scum, but that energy kind of tapers off with time.

Compare his attitude at the beginning and his attitude now.

Look at the first half of his ISO and then look at the other one. You can tell his desire for scum hunting isn’t as consistent and it reverted to a whole new mental state. It’s blatant.

Drixx is not your normal scum. He just isn't. He and I have the same thing. We're weaker early and stronger later as either alignment. We both work well with more data to work with. Drixx is not a strong candidate here today.

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I’m not taking this into account for that purpose, merely trying to get a meta read to back up my suspicion.

Seems like I got a pretty vague defense here.

But, noted you moved the goal posts from “he doesn’t have the energy” which I’ve just refuted to “he’s weak early and better late game”. What made you think he’s playing weak right now? Is he not suspecting your buddies or something?

I didn't say Drixx doesn't have the energy recently. Second, my defense of Drixx is similar to T v A. Even if I am wrong, Drixx is a terrible D1 lynch. I stand behind it. This is more forceful and more indicative of his town game.

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Titus, I kind of need you to take a stance on Drixx. You know him well. That statement of yours is as blank as it gets, I don’t even know if you were defending him or what you were trying to convey.

So?

I'm strongly defending him. Drixx was scum in TvA. Had no real energy despite me trying to get more from him.

Fair enough. I should have said forceful there. Inelegant wording.

You can look at the ISOs and see a clear difference between this and RR.

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VOTE: Black Ranger

If you want another T v A sweep, I need my fucking treestump insomnia.

Nero's probably still in denial I can lead a town. He's probably coming up with excuses as we speak.

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I think you’re great for a tree stump

I need some outside perspective sometimes to keep me sane, a voice of reasoning.

If you’re not filling that role then you’ll face my wrath, cuz that means you aren’t town

Well I'm trying to do that, but you keep ignoring me lol. Right now, we can stay on BR, where we agree though.

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I’ve listened to you, I moved.

You can’t stop me forever though...There will be a time when my utmost attention will be dedicated to sinking the Drixx town read ship.

I'll take that for now. Even if you are right, killing Drixx is horrible here because a) Drixx will bring you the heads of mutual enemies and b) tell you his allies while doing so. Almost every game where I am town and Drixx is scum, we lynch Drixx last and win.

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So yeah, Drixx is arguing against keeping himself alive? Rock meet hard place. I could challenge Drixx's comments but I'm not going to as I'd rather not offend my friend for the sake of keeping him alive. I'll let Drixx's tone on TvA and SU2 speak for itself.

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So yeah, Drixx is arguing against keeping himself alive? Rock meet hard place. I could challenge Drixx's comments but I'm not going to as I'd rather not offend my friend for the sake of keeping him alive. I'll let Drixx's tone on TvA and SU2 speak for itself.

I think if you actually believed that I'm so tremendously easy to read, you wouldn't be sitting so hard on the fence.

And I mean ... there's at least a dozen players in this game who should eat rope if we're lynching on the grounds of "they can totally fool everyone and win as scum". Like ... the whole gamut of pointing out the possibility space is pretty useless.

And seriously ... I'd like to know why everyone seems intent on handing me responsibility for TvA scum team getting housed.

I don't feel you're easy to read. I feel you either you establish a narrative as scum that leads us to your partners if given time or you're too much of a pro town asset to lynch early. Neither requires me to be correct on my read on you or blame you for any loss.

In TvA, you could argue it was an outmatched game. Sure. But leaving you alive let us sweep your teammates rather than you using your innate charisma.

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Seeking replacements for Eth0s, hersho, Golden Robster, UltimatePlank, ar98mubarik, BBMolla, Non lmh, and Emperor flippyNips.

In order to count as active you must also contribute in the main game thread.

If any of the above-listed player do not wish to be replaced please PM me and then begin contributing to the main game thread. Thank you.

We should lynch one of these

Odds of these players seeing their PM and thinking "burgh scum" or "burgh uninteresting role"

At best we get scum and at worst we probably limit damage in terms of hitting a PR...

We arent getting anywhere near 26

Maybe this is scum.

Have you considered we're getting nowhere near 26 because people keep diverting. Great big candidates and VCA material. Too bad I'll be dead.

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I’ve actually seen Black Ranger commit the sawcon fallacy which is inherently scummy so molla’s right let’s get him

Sawcon fallacy?

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Seeking replacements for Eth0s, hersho, Golden Robster, UltimatePlank, ar98mubarik, BBMolla, Non lmh, and Emperor flippyNips.

We should lynch one of these

Translation:

None of these is a member of my team

. Got it.

Funny, but I think it's more of an associative with the existing leading wagons than an anti associative for the lurkers.

+1 that list is so big a buddy could be on it.
Vigilantes should target failed wagons of greater than 13.

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I'm out today. Birthday stuff. Please consolidate. X post all games.

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Skimming catchup now.

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Skimming catchup now.

Evaluate the BR wagon and the people who seem uncomfortable on it all of a sudden. I have thoughts but I need to actually sort you so chop chop.

I don't like the swap offs, particularly without a claim. We need a lynch to get the game going. It irks me. I'm not going to pretend I have him as lock scum but it's hard to parse anyone in a game this big. BR is scum enough and BBMolla's right. That's all that should matter.

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And Drixx has carried as scum in larges before

I don't really trust him at this point

This is asinine. "Drixx is good, so let's lynch him to satisfy my paranoia and laziness in reading him."

GTFO with that nonsense.

+1 Haven't read but yeah.

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this game turned into shit the minute you guys refused to lynch Titus (who after getting the wagon off them hasn't been doing anything)

BR is scumreading Tic Tac right? And ofc she's OMGUS scum reading me. But if BR and tic tac is town then that means she's pushed nothing but town.

@ BR

For the sake of the argument you are town. If tic tac and I both flip town how would you feel about Titus?

This game isn't shit. Stop whining. I'll be dead soon anyway.

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I feel like you've used up your alotted "haven't read" posts. Can we get anything out of you thats not a pushback/discredit of me, Drixx is my BFF, or one of BR/tic tac are scum?

Nope. Not until bullets fly. That's where the game is focused.

Ok, I lied. Both BR and tictac are scum but different teams.

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I'll be dead soon anyway.

lets hope. Shouldn't that be all the more reason to use your voice and get your reads out?

I've tried. Game is stalled. No one can get further without a lynch or bullets.

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you don't need a flip to have reads on the other 45 slots.

And I've given some in my ISO. Insomnia town for instance.

KM I worry about but I can't sort them without flips.

Don't act surprised when I state that the strength of my reads gets better with time. It's a 50 player game with lurkers, subs, and chaos. I read people in relation to each other. This is all stuff you know.

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Let's hurry up and finish the BR lynch. The resistance right before claim spot screams not town. Don't you guys think scum would ensure we got that claim before backing off if BR was town?

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@Titus/@Nor: We are not moving away from BR because of his TPR claim. We are moving off him because he gave reads in a manner that looked more town-motivated than not when he thought he was already hammered.

I don't believe that. I feel it's a convenient excuse. TPR is not a claim.

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I might bring out Drunk Titus again. Feeling rather down that I couldn't even buy chicken today.

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I couldn't find dry beans at three different grocers last night. Californians are going Captain Insano.

Yeah. I'd forget Walmart or Whole foods. Try Raley's or Safeway.

I managed to score some of the last handsoap and pasta (gluten free to boot) at the Raley's nearby.

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Sorry I stopped being here. Real life is imploding with these court closures. It'll be done in a day or two.

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What's the VC look like? Been dealing with reality.

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The day Nero Cain doesn't scum read me is a day I will never see it seems.

Welcome to my world.

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Nero, don't accuse me of deliberately lurking. I don't lurk for strategic advantage. You know this. This reeks of you being scum. The number of things you should know that are blatantly untrue is staggering.

Second 4/50 odds (estimating) is not great odds to die in a given night. [1 out of 50 per target, plus additional 1/50 if I am targeted directly]. The odds of me surviving all nights get worse as time progresses.

Third, my way of reading the thread (flips before confidence) doesn't change because I have a bg pm. I have given some reads that I felt confident on and others revealed the conditions I'd need. That's all I can do. You know this.

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The number of things you should know that are blatantly

un

true is staggering. Yet, you say things that are blatantly untrue.

Ebwop

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Nero is obvtown

Lying does not make someone obvtown Ank.

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VOTE: SausasaurusRex

[Titus]

Scum Titus may not lurk but she does coast

Not sure who you are but that's fairer. I sometimes coast if I don't have an ability to hunt.

That would be incorrect in this setup because I would hypothetically be able to hunt other scum.

I'm not coasting here. I just don't have the ability to pin a lot of people yet. I am pretty sure you, nero, and tictac are scum.

Drixx and insomnia are probably town.

KM needs flips.

[Titus]

profii’s aren’t

I wouldnt blame anyone for scum reading me. I literally dont care about this day and I just want to see what happens mechanically overnight.
I dont even care if i get lynched haha.

Townish

[Titus]

profii’s aren’t

I wouldnt blame anyone for scum reading me. I literally dont care about this day and I just want to see what happens mechanically overnight.
I dont even care if i get lynched haha.

Saaaame

Let’s thin the herd here, people.

Down for this but I don't even know who is the leading wagon anymore.

I think we need Mathblade's votecounter.

[Titus]

VOTE: tictac

[Titus]

VOTE: tictac

Not sure if my vote is already there but doing what I can with the time I got.

[Titus]

I told you black ranger was clear and you still Wagoned

Naturally, the blame for miscommunication falls solely on the listener.

So yeah ... sadly you're scum this game. Want to concede and then get to work with me on this amazeballs large themed I've been tooling around with for years? You are just the genius to help me make it work now that Varsoon is never around.

I'll help! I'll get less work soon because of the lockdown. My function is still essential but more attorneys will make their own appearances.

[Titus]

Hi Pisskop.

I have homework I don't want to do with the red flip. With the amount of people suggesting I would fail, that suggests scum wanted to block me.

For now, voting Black Ranger is best. KM was particularly against that lynch and very against Drixx.

VOTE: Black Ranger

[Titus]

@Drixx, KM was the scum mama hen. She probably ran a lot of interference on her teammates and wrong town. Can you mention

using that standard

who her teammates would be based on hood play?

[Titus]

How did this happen? How did absolutely no town get killed on night 1?

Invest on this please or vig.

[Titus]

Woah, best night ever.

How did this happen? How did absolutely no town get killed on night 1?

Black Ranger legit scum slipped in the neighborhood at night. He posted a message clearly meant for another PT in which he told some person "If you're going to paranoia post about me drop a meta read otherwise it is fake as fuck".

We should have just fucking lynched him in the first place.
VOTE: Black Ranger

gloating tell.

Pocketed. I 100% agree.

[Titus]

Only 2 shots last night? Sus. But not the problem for now.

VOTE: Black Ranger

For now I defer to the neighborhood who knows what BR said.

You didn't say hi to me?

[Titus]

Yeah, I visited Elsa Jay, who has yet to acknowledge me so...

I also have VCA work to do following this.

[Titus]

Yeah, I visited Elsa Jay, who has yet to acknowledge me so...

I also have VCA work to do following this.

Good luck with a 50 player VC analysis lel

It's not a full list but some things can be sorted out. For instance, blue likely had no one on BR at the time of me/TSE 10 votes. (I'm supposing BR is blue given Drixx reaction.)

[Titus]

Too bad we can't shoot Nero. He's pinging higher than average for red. My bet is Jackal visited me.

[Titus]

Yeah, I visited Elsa Jay, who has yet to acknowledge me so...

I also have VCA work to do following this.

Well why would I acknowledge you? Beside you being a nice person.

Because I'm a loud bodyguard and you asked for protection?

[Titus]

... Oh. Yeah that.

Honestly I was waiting for you to claim loyal or disloyal or something but then I remembered you weren't the one who claimed, it was your previous user.

So you did get my visit or not?

[Titus]

This covid is a bitch. Sorry Drixx. My brother and bestie got tests before the shutdown on tests. That was over a week ago. No results yet.

[Titus]

By the way, yeah I didn't get a loud notification. I think I got my Alien or Rolestopper on me like requested instead.

Ihxihcihxiyxiy.

[Titus]

BR, what is your main?

[Titus]

Is Titus's Loud modifier confirmed?

No.

[Titus]

BR's claim was better

And people were like "Omg, BR's catchup is so townie~!" so we had to get an alternative.

That and the refuses is where we find blue scum. Double points if on tictac.

[Titus]

Is Titus's Loud modifier confirmed?

No.

Titus: hi

You bake good brownies right?

[Titus]

Nero is town as fuck lmao

His voting and posts relating to KM and BR say otherwise.

His personality says otherwise

His personality towards me screams red mafia.

[Titus]

Titus, why did you target Elsa Jay?

Elsa Jay wanted protection and my primary target did not.

[Titus]

Pisskop is a Miller neighbor.
Really people.

Impossible. Pisskop visited me.

[Titus]

Too bad we can't shoot Nero. He's pinging higher than average for red. My bet is Jackal visited me.

What makes you think that (aside from it being Nero and you being Titus, that is)?

The sheer confidence him and others had in that I would not get a result off night 1 combined with a Jackal flip.

[Titus]

Too bad we can't shoot Nero. He's pinging higher than average for red. My bet is Jackal visited me.

What makes you think that (aside from it being Nero and you being Titus, that is)?

The sheer confidence him and others had in that I would not get a result off night 1 combined with a Jackal flip.

And does the fact both NKs were his neighbors change that at all?

I don't see how it is unless Jackal claimed roleblocker in his hood for no reason.

[Titus]

His personality towards me screams red mafia.

this also feels slippy to me. Like why am I red instead of blue?

Jackal's flip. You knew Jackal was going to block me. You were practically grandstanding it.

[Titus]

VOTE: Vault Dweller

[Titus]

Someone needs to say hi. You know who you are.

[Titus]

We gonna ignore Garmr literally just faking knowing info that would instantly get him replaced or Modkilled? I know that Barik dying is what I want in getting in the neighborhoods but still.

im enh on that. is it any worse than titus maybe faking a loud modifier or me claiming miller?

I didn't fake claim. TSE truthfully claimed at like L minus a billion.

[Titus]

good news boys i'm allowed to stay but out of respect I won't say the interaction that shouldn't of worked.

Okay, now I'm positive your just bullshitting us and tried to play the mod to get townread.

In no world where you accidentally got legitimate town or even scum info do you not get replaced. Anyone who's modded a game before ever knows that isn't how it works especially in Normals.

VOTE: Garmr

Fuck outta here with that.

I can quote the mod pm but i won't also mod posted in thread so fuck yourself

If this is still alive, we should policy lynch toxic.

[Titus]

y no loud though

I am. I also haven't seen my target last night post yet.

[Titus]

Notice how since he also decided not to reveal who was the loud person as well. Since if the mod "screwed up" he could only "see it" for a few minutes at most. In a week he can go "I forgot and the Mod took it away guys. Oops!".

He's a liar, through and through.

I wish I could claim I targeted Garmr right now but that loud isn't me.

[Titus]

Did titus claim anything?

*pulls hair out* loud bg. TSE claimed it.

[Titus]

OK, Titus,claim your target then?

Drixx.

[Titus]

think of it this way

both scumteams are going to want to stall the game out because the amount of day phases needed to maintain the balance between the points where they'd be inevitably lynched or nightkilled is unreasonable

this means they want to kill all the most active town and the deepwolves to potentially remove town from having any significant threats as well as the other scumteam from inevitably killing them

we can let them wage that war now and analyze the aftermath later when the game is more manageable

VOTE: Jamelia

You just earned a sheep.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Sheep this and you'll be fine.

Can you explain?

Titus...squirmed? That might be the best word for it. When confronted about the loudness and the "I didn't target Garmr," she wasn't comfortable or confident with her claim. If it were in person, she'd have shifted uncomfortably in her seat and not made eye contact. I think she got stuck with a role claim a player of her caliber wouldn't have made.

I'm going to go with chk's gut here.

VOTE: Titus

I didn't squirm. I was hoping to delay my claim to see if Drixx just posted it organically while I caught up.

[Titus]

Voting the opposing wagon for "reasons." Classic.

Amelia apparently isn't even the opposing wagon.

Do you agree or disagree with Ank's post?

[Titus]

VOTE: ar98mubarik

[Titus]

Pure moral cowardice, and the last one self-serving.

Pine, you're offending me on a personal level regardless of your alignment. I don't object to you calling me a self-serving coward as it is your right to be belligerent scum. It's not ok to imply that my being smart is somehow amoral.

[Titus]

Okay Nero. If they're all scummy, pick the 2 you like the least personally. Or who's the 2 most scummy.

Work with me here.

Sounds like Nero just wants to lynch someone active and he doesn't care who it is.

[Titus]

You guys aren't seeing it. The Neighborhoods have a higher chance of having scum, particularly the Palace where they all banded together to lynch Ranger.

98 is in that hood. I'm going with the odds that of the 6 left there's 1 or 2 scum there. So 1/6 or 1/3. I like those odds.

This makes sense if 98 was active an actively pushing the hood. Wouldn't by your own admission scum be more likely to be among those who actually did push BR from that Hood?

Alright then.

The Fonz
Pine
Drixx
Psyche
NotaJumbleofNumbers
insomnia
Black Ranger [Dead]
ar98mubarik

Answer me this then Gobble. Out of those 7 alive who's the 2 likely to be scum?

Earlier I thought this was the other group with 7 people so that's why my math earlier said 6 instead of 7. My bad.

On the other hand I'm even more confident there's scum here.

Probably one of the people pushing BR.

I'd actually go the opposite way. Drixx's slip case was pretty compelling but wrong. I'd look in the whiteknighters. They already know half the scum's and they'd have use for BR alive as they could always turn on him when needed.

[Titus]

Should also lynch where we can find associatives but hey wtf do I know

Except those slot will NEVER generate associatives outside of a wagon
Pray tell why you (and Pine) are hell bent on avoiding this?
VOTE: ar98mubarik

Because replacements are a thing.

Are you new?

Replacements have been up for ages.

[Titus]

You mean the same Drixx that shot scum? Drixx didn't fake that. The slip looked genuine from BR. BR played it terribly. Drixx is obvious town.

Pine might be scum.

Insomnia is probably town. The behavior you're describing is pretty common. That's why I am nicer as scum than as town. Town don't think rationally usually in the early game. We can get lucky from time to time but it's rare.

Why is Fonz in your lynchpool Nero?

[Titus]

Sounds like Nero just wants to lynch someone active and he doesn't care who it is.

there have been 8 flips. Who are your non-Nero scumreads?

BR's dead and flipped wrong.

Anyone who wants to lynch Drixx and refuses to vote numbers. Those are my SRs because the objective play here is straight up obvious unless you got a straight up spare set of replacements in or a straight up result that's useful.

[Titus]

You mean the same Drixx that shot scum? Drixx didn't fake that.

That doesn't exactly mean anything in MB. As he could still be the red killer (I assume he's claiming the KM shot?)

Why is Fonz in your lynchpool Nero?

What is the point in asking a question that I literally just answered?

Really, Drixx could be the red killer? So he just walks up and puts a neon sign as scum that begs to kill him? That's moronic.

Fonz stated a truth. That's no reason to scumread him. So I asked again, why is Fonz in your lynchpool?

[Titus]

Like you want to lynch Drixx but can't remember which slot he claimed to kill?

[Titus]

Dr.D, we're draining the lurker swamp. Join us.

[Titus]

Nero, you're reasoning is nonsense if you scumread the truth (Fonz) and assume moronic play to fit a scumread (Drixx). Since Drixx did shoot KM (no one CCed that), counterclaiming made sense. They aren't direct CCs anyway.

You're stretching so much my hammies hurt.

So why are you against lynching numbers again?

[Titus]

I actually don't hate #'s. He's null. I mean I guess you could argue that he IS scum by being so null and under the radar.

This doesn't answer why you won't vote there with a wagon there to get a read on him.

[Titus]

Nero, repeating a falsehood that denies my scumhunting doesn't make it true at all.

It would be fair to say I haven't gone through KM's ISO and filtered through that. I haven't done all the optimal things I could, but that's true of anyone.

Your positions are rather rigid, even in the face of contrary evidence. It feels like you're taking opposite positions just to take them, except on Pine possibly being scum.

Again, why won't you vote numbers? Why instead do you talk about lynching active slots?

[Titus]

Time, effort, something something Titus is a nurse or something.

Lawyer, managing kid in pandemic while keeping up and not going insane.

[Titus]

Nobody has recieved a loud from Titus.

That's not weird to anybody else?

It's day 2. N1 red scum almost certainly blocked me.

Why not block me if it's a free mislynch?

[Titus]

but Titus not being proven to be loud is not why I'm scum reading her. I was scumreading TSE first, but Titus' replace in and pushing the top 2 leading wagons that were not her seemed very very survivalist. I felt like her "i need flips!" was very stally and not a very town response.

It's not really and you know it. I read people by their relationships with each other. My VCA works best later. We had such stalling earlier because none of the wagons were on scum.

We can look at KM to see the blue agenda because KM was likely the blue head. I just haven't had the time to do so.

[Titus]

she doesn't seem phased that she'd lynched nothing but town and wants to spend days lynching null slots and not scumhunt.

It's early game. Mislynches happen. You're naysaying each lynch and not hunting. Instead, you're tunneling me and making noise.

This IS creating associatives. We can see who objected and who didn't. Chkflip's sudden change is a clear link to Anumbers.

Even if that turns to me, we can know more. We know scum are unaware of investigators to block. We know that Nero and Pine are linked because of how Nero treated Pine and Nero's refusal to reassess.

[Titus]

yes but sitting there and going "I can't scum hunt until X players are dead!" aligns perfectly with a scum agenda. Your VCA isn't all that accurate anways.

Who would you be willing to lynch today?

As of now, you, Pine, any lurker.

I wouldn't lynch Elsa, Drixx, Ank or anyone trying to lead instead of vendetta nonsense and noise.

[Titus]

vendetta nonsense and noise.

I have a vendetta against you? I just think you are scum this game is all but nice discredit.

Name one game where you haven't tunneled me Nero. Go ahead. I'll wait.

[Titus]

Instead, you're tunneling me and making noise.

Didn't scum Titus keep calling my tunnel on her in Star Wars noise?

In fairness, I tunnel as both alignments but you've played with me enough to know that I do tunnel as town. So why is my tunnel scummy as opposed to a town tunnel?

I can't tell the difference because you literally always do it. I just suspect you're scum due to the vapidness of your hunting and you whiteknighting all the wagons town puts together. Do I know you are? No.

Do I know you're proscum, yes. With you, it will be neigh on impossible to get wagons going without 100 knowledge. With you, scum are free to lurk because you'll make noise on their behalf.

Remember KM? Yeah you chainsaws Drixx hard.

[Titus]

Nobody has recieved a loud from Titus.

That's not weird to anybody else?

It's day 2. N1 red scum almost certainly blocked me.

Why not block me if it's a free mislynch?

Why red scum specifically?

Good question.
VOTE: Titus

The flip with the odd night roleblocker and sheer overconfidence certain slots have for me not getting a loud result off, even when a bodyguard is self resolving.

[Titus]

Damn it Drixx. Can you not fake claim? It's pretty town to get a noise machine out but you've just made it 100 times harder to actually sort or remove Nero.

We now have proof of my loud modifier which certain slots suggested didn't exist. Let's see what happens in response.

In the meantime, let's vote Anumbers and get the lurksacks out.

[Titus]

I don't feel like I did anything wrong and I don't know why Drixx is so angry.

You have a tendency to push things that the target considers to be misreps.
When shown that you have the facts wrong you double down on the incorrect interpretation instead of accepting your view is incorrect.
For a logical person like me this is incredibly infuriating. I might misread someone's emotion, fail to notice manipulative behavior, get many things wrong. But my logic is

never

wrong provided I have the correct facts^*. And messing with the timeline is messing with logic.
I suspect Drixx is the same type with respect to logic. At least that's what I have observed.

^*You may find me at times as scum using logic correctly, from the facts as they are known, to push an ultimately wrong conclusion. Garbage in garbage out as they say.

+1

Nero you also make the game less fun when you consistently, regardless of circumstances tunnel me even when proven wrong.

When I become conftown, your argument shifts to policy lynch me because I suck. Whenever I play a game with you, I know I'll have a slot tunneling me. I wait 6 months to see if you change but you never do.

[Titus]

gobble tell me what to think about Drixx

To be honest, something stinks in that hood. However, I think that Drixx is probably town despite everything. I do not think scum continues to draw attention to themselves as having a useful power role after they lost 1 member on the first night.

Drixx isn't blue scum because of the friction between him and KM.

Drixx isn't red scum because of the attention to himself and Drixx could have lied about me visiting him thus securing a likely mislynch. Doubly so with Nero in the game.

Pedit: Nero, I am not appealing to you. You decided pregame, like you always do, that you were going to tunnel me. Several slots knew this. Davesaz noticed it. Pisskop called it stupid. Drixx commented too. Your response is to call them scum, at least Drixx. If you can't honestly play the game, don't play. For now, I'll work around you but that type of attitude is no fun for anyone involved.

[Titus]

WHAT? How could I decide to tunnel u pregame when u replaced in?

Pregame from my PoV is the moment I subbed in. I forgot briefly I wasn't here from the start. You do that every game Nero. I asked you to find one game where you didn't. You still haven't. If you can't keep a personal vendetta out of this, why do you play?

[Titus]

Magna’s a fucking beast I want to learn from him

Does he have articles or something

Magna left the site ages ago.

Nero, I don't dispute the fact I have called you out on your bullshit tunnel for years. It's NAI for me to do so.

It's in every game we play together.

[Titus]

like holy shit. I was scum reading TSE, I scum read Titus b/c I don't like her game content. Titus

AtE

ing and arguing that I have some vendetta against her and trying to claim I'm bulling her or some shit is fucking disgusting.

Name 1 game where you didn't tunnel me. Just 1. I'll wait. Hell we even had to do it the one game we were scum together. It's an OOG thing.

[Titus]

I'm gonna give very little effort in mafiascum games until Thursday, because health worker. Sorry all.

K, we just need your vote on ANumbers. Then take your VLA. Bold it too so it's official.

[Titus]

@Gamma, We're lynching ar98mubarik.

@chkflip, Closest is Kodak moment. Nomming to haze people is mean.

[Titus]

I'm gonna give very little effort in mafiascum games until Thursday, because health worker. Sorry all.

K, we just need your vote on ANumbers. Then take your VLA. Bold it too so it's official.

I didn't say I was V/LA. I said I didn't give a shit.

Oh then vote ar98mubarik. It'll save reading.

[Titus]

Ehhh I'm comfortable letting Titus go for now but, like, I'm not lynching a bullshit slot for not showing up when they'll be replaced at some point.

There are 5 ahead of Drixx who is pretty surely town though. You're argument is let's lynch the active people because inactives will bet replaced eventually. What incentive do scum have to play the game? We aren't getting the subs anytime soon. If it was one or two slots, I'd see your point. It's five.

[Titus]

I'm not advocating straight down the list. Like you said the replacements should come. Your suggestion kills the game even further because the active towns wind up mislynched and then killed. Scum will continue to coast.

This solution scum have to post before and after the replacements come in. Otherwise, they'll be in the lurker boat. Plus there's associatives with which lurker and why.

Why would scum ever play in your setup?

[Titus]

@Gobble, Null, lean scum atm.

@Davesaz, I'd lynch that. Same category as a98

[Titus]

It’s not relaying any info back to its team.

Can you explain this?

[Titus]

VLA this game 48 hours

This game is a fucking chore.

This is scum driven and vendetta driven. I proved my loud after Nero said that was a fiction. He calls my highlighting of the truth AtE. And basically lol bored lynch.

Lynch Nero tomorrow for being a toxic fuck and making this unplayable with his spam.

[Titus]

Nero has almost 500 posts and almost 100 more than any other player.

Mod: This is legitimately making the game unfun for people not playing or scumhunting. No one can keep up with this type of disingenuous tunnel that dominates the game. It takes away time from doing anything else. It's an OoG Vendetta. Do something please.

[Titus]

His personality towards me screams red mafia.

this also feels slippy to me. Like why am I red instead of blue?

His personality towards me screams red mafia.

this also feels slippy to me. Like why am I red instead of blue?

Jackal's flip. You knew Jackal was going to block me. You were practically grandstanding it.

would scum waste a rb on a BG with all those vig claims and a rando chance to block an investigate?

[Titus]

I'm also clearly not the only one that finds u scummy, y r you only attacking me?

Because every other vote minus chkflip is a naked let's follow the loudmouth which is NAI opportunistic? Your play here demotivated and prevents scumhunting because you feel compelled to make this game into a toxic sledgepool.

[Titus]

Yes, I do. And those were predictable, it was not a 50p game, and when that role in question did not die, it was rightfully lynched. Just as we should lynch Titus if she remains alive a little further into the game.

If Nero and I are both alive and I am not cleared by day 5 and we get some actual fucking replacements, I'll jump on a pile myself. This game isn't possible or fun. I'm just doing it because town needs a bg with no vigs right now. If I was a citizen, I would be leaving out.

[Titus]

I'm ok with a Rex lynch. Not sure how we know Rex tracked EJ allegedly (maybe faulty memory) but that's a scummy use of tracker.

I do agree with either Gobble or Gamma who said town trackers on inactives is good.

[Titus]

Happy birthday Hollow Knight!!

insomnia should be protected at all costs just because of his avatar.

Hey Hectic what we doing!?

You got any leads, partner?? What do you think of Alyssa's plan of killing off the lurkers/non-posters since it doesn't look like the replacements are coming in?

If a lurker is easy wagoned, it's probably town. If it's not, it could be scum. In the first case, scum must be helping get that lynch go through; in the second case, it's either on scum or scum is focusing on something else. So by chances I think lyching a not replaced slot or lurker will end up in a town flip.

I'd rather look on slots that are in the middle of an active player and a lurker; I think scum, in a game like this, would like to look like having just the enough ammount of presence and let town fuck things up.

Do you think AF fits this category?

[Titus]

Do you think AF fits this category?

Yes. Let me do a quick check and I'll give you names

Ok, I'll challenge you this. Nero, you and I all think there's a chance Nero flips scum. If he does, I'll protect a mutual townread of you and Nero tonight. It should leash me but not overly so and progresses the game from Nero yelling at me the whole game.

[Titus]

*a chance AF flips scum

[Titus]

Nero yelling at me the whole game.

Stop using me as an excuse to whine and not hunt.

Gee, you pick the one quote that's hostile rather than see that I attempted to work with you.

[Titus]

I dont get why so mnay players are still after titus. He claimed bg so there is always the potential that his slot becomes self resolving.

I could understand if we were allot further through the game but we only just on day 3. But for now there is every chance that if he is town then his slot will be solved when he sacrifices himself in exchnage for one of our town pr that have been outed.

And even then if he is scum then we stop one entire faction from even trying to kill the player he protects. Upping the chances that such an outed pr could surive longer

Check the post counts of each player. You'll see it.

[Titus]

I don't get the point of you trying to bargain here? And you should just be sitting on Drixx anyways. The drawback is (if u r town) scum will avoid shooting Drixx and you just get lynched anyways.

Progress the game and get you out of your tunnel.

Second, if no one is in the Drixx slot, it won't act. Thus is a lousy protect.

[Titus]

Progress the game and get you out of your tunnel.

It won't. There are still 9 other scum beside you so even if AF flips scum its not like you aren't incapable of being scum.

Not in the short term, but if you see my reads are right on both teams, that should. Or hey that I'll be dead. Or c) people will see it is an OoG tunnel.

[Titus]

You don't have any scum reads beside me. You aren't scumhunting and whining that you can't scumhunt b/c I'm tunneling you.

If I'm wrong, enlighten me on your scum reads.

(besides maybe AF)

Creature and Rex are good places to look too. KM was a lean scum of mine too.

You'd hear my reads if you weren't looking to attack all the time.

[Titus]

My effectiveness is reduced because you constantly attack me and drown me out with your bullshit. I can't have a 1 on 1 with any of my reads town or scum.

[Titus]

I posted yesterday and everything

Happy Birthday.

[Titus]

I'm ok with a Rex lynch. Not sure how we know Rex tracked EJ allegedly (maybe faulty memory) but that's a scummy use of tracker.

I do agree with either Gobble or Gamma who said town trackers on inactives is good.

[Titus]

I swore I had one on AF too but can't find it. I'll cede I forgot about Creature.

[Titus]

Links? I don't have experience with Titus as scum, only town, and she didn't OMGUS there so I'm curious to see that.

Mainstream Mafia II I believe

[Titus]

I haven't drawn scum in a finished game since my separation.

[Titus]

I admit Nero reminds me a lot of my abusive husband, yelling until he gets his way with no rhyme, reason etc. He's drowning out my abilities to sort.

Pedit @chkflip: I don't recall. Real life impacted me greatly there. I wound up eating the lynch because I knew I couldn't fight it off. I referenced it because it's the only recent scumgame I have I think.

[Titus]

@Davesaz, What do you think of slots like Dr
D who voted my wagon and placed out? Any difference between that Creature and Rex?

Pedit: I can't remember the name but AF and I had a recent scumgame together. Garmr was the sucky townie we mistook for the traitor.

[Titus]

Large Normal 223 | New Beginnings | GAME OVER

Recent scumgame.

Pedit:Gamma, I'll try to avoid it but I do need to be honest when such behavior triggers me.

[Titus]

I sleep on my belly

I sleep on my left side

Why don't people sleep on beds anymore??

People get up on the wrong side of the bed. I'd rather be curled up in a ball, huddling under blankets.

[Titus]

I'm absolutely fine with lynching an active lurker, if we all work together to lynch the same active lurker.

Why the caveat?

Don't want 10 wagons of 3 each. That's worse than useless.

Fair but having competing wagons helps create associations.

We have that. Ar98mubarik and Creature would be good opposing wagons.

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Drixx is town. I bet 98 and Creature are scum. My wagon picking up after I push them as alternatives is hardly a coincidence.

[Titus]

Drixx and Titus always seem to stick up for each other regardless of alignment. Drixx is bad enough as town that he functions as an extra scum member. He's a snowflake that got pissed that I didn't believe his reasoning for suspecting KM. He was only right for the wrong reasons.

This type of discredit isn't helpful. Drixx is a terrible early game lynch. Drixx will theorycraft you to his partners in the game even as scum. I had weak suspicions of him early in another game and still took this position. See T v A.

I feel Drixx is town but the above rationale obviously doesn't apply anymore. I generally feel most day 1s are wrong and random. The game picks up with flips.

Drixx is town by his actions, not by my theories on him.

[Titus]

I literally can't understand QQ. Has anyone played with him before?

In a newbie game that just finished. I couldn't understand him either. He wound up subbing out.

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I swear to God you keep responding but your responses have very little to do with what is actually said.

You basically accused my read on Drixx as being "we're friends so Titus wouldn't lynch there". I had to explain that because I don't want that slot lynched.

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YOU'RE A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT NERO. YOU ARE A CANCER ON THE SITE AND I HOPE YOU DIE IN REAL LIFE.

enjoy ur ban dickwad

This is over the line Fonz, even if Nero is wrong too.

[Titus]

Drixx is scum, Titus is Scum, Fonz is scum...

It seems literally anyone who dislikes you is scum.

+1

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That he claims I'm faking it as scum is over the line. He deserves to have bricks thrown at his head.

Fonz, stop. I have to report this. Just because I feel Nero's wrong and abusive doesn't mean this is right, legal or moral.

Pedit: 4965 is over the line too Nero. Not as bad as Fonz but still.

Pedit2: Agree with Ank.

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The SK, Titus, won in our last huge game if I recall correctly. I love seeing such tactical cunning.

No. I carried the last large as part of the Cookie Bakers hydra. We gunsmiths like 6 or 7 scum in a row.

I was an SK in one of your games but got mislynched for a scumslip allegedly.

I am flattered though.

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Shocked that Drixx wasn't even a joat. That's about the only over the top lie I've ever seen from him. Or at least I don't remember any.

Drixx lie served the purpose that he just wanted to die. Toxicity from certain players didn't help at all. I didn't heal him night 1 because he was do explicit about it (not that it mattered anyway). On night 2, he became too obvtown for me not to. I merely wrote off BR flipping green as unfortunate.

[Titus]

votecounts need to be quite frequent in games of this scale

Mathblade's counter was needed. I am not sure if the VC would save us though when nearly every slot that needed replacing was town.

[Titus]

I do have to say Wake's illness may have played a part too. Nightphases shouldn't extend for days beyond and require resubmission of actions.

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this is also taking into account that even with this many active scum in the game, we still were mostly wanting to lynch the town ones :V

No. We didn't want to lynch town. It was Nero throwing an immature toxic filled pregame vendetta and turning his rage gradually on anyone who strongly agreed with what I said. He'd merely spam the same shit, killing the wim of town. There's a reason why almost every slot looking to be replaced was town. A game that has toxic players, little death and little opportunity to be heard is a recipe for disaster. I would have subbed out too, as it was protown to do, but Wake never finds a sub. Nero was too toxic for the game as a whole.

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It was surprising to me that so many players who were alive have apparently never encountered tunneling in their mafia career? It is in fact a thing that happens with some regularity to most players.
If nero has a vendetta, what is the thing he was trying to avenge? Because "he tunnels me every game" is a phenomenon I think everyone encounters at some point from someone. It's called "playstyle clash", and there's not a malicious reason for it.
The first post I read as genuinely toxic, the first post that seemed intended to hurt the person, and not just attack someones play was the one where you compared nero to yer ex.
imma borrow some wisdon from daves sig: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
These are trying times, and this game does get heated on occasion, so lets all try to keep in mind that this is a game, and it's not nice to take out-of-game frustrations and take them out on people who are on this site just to play with us and escape their own troubles.

I agree with the bulk of this post. Tunneling is a thing. There's a reason why I didn't accuse chkflip of anything.

Nero has been tunneling my slot across 10-15+ games over two fucking years. That's not a "playstyle clash". That's a "I want you gone and it's personal" thing.

I have tunneled and been a tunnel target before. I used to be really bad on tunneling.

It's every game.

Titus is scum.
But if she's not scum she's terrible.

Titus dies and usually flips town.
It's her fault for being so scummy.

If it wasn't every game, I could deal with it being stupidity. However, there's just games I must avoid in order to have a fair shot to play. I never was permitted to play this.

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lol have I given you a hard time of it recently, Titus?

Legit hadn't noticed. I'll be more mindful.

Nero this is how you're supposed to react.

Yours were ok in the game. Despite SRing me, you still listened to what I had to say and had empathy for the person behind the keyboard.

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I thought he killed Kirari tho, so Psychologist should give a negative?
But he was ascetic, so, eh?

got a positive result so garmr kill must of failed

I presumed the ascetic failure was Garmr being visited by a loud role.

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There are

SHIT TONS

of players that scumread me every game, it's not a vendetta. I mean I guess it

could be

but I'm more of the side that its just ppl that are horrible at reading me/mafia.

There's no proof that its a vendetta b/c 1.) I don't tunnel u in every game 2.) There

WAS

a large part of this game where I wasn't tunneling you when you first replaced in 3.) I had in-game reasons why I suspected you. If anything was toxic it was you and Drixx and Fonz.

You made the game not fun