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[kagesong]

Physical health keeping me out for a bit. Afffecting typing most, but sitting, holding phone, etc. Will catch up hopefully tonight at least a bit. If I'm brief in my thoughts, typing hurts.

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Okay, officially catching up.

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I didn't suggest info lynching? I suggested just playing the game normally, which is probably going to result in a scramble to find a wagon amenable to 26 people and the result is probably going to be a pretty bad lynch... but the events that led to it will still be more useful than a policy lynch.

As of this post, I agree with this position. I'm clearly behind. Taking notes, etc.

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Also you day one you are pushing for info lynch but what info do you think you could find so soon into this day.

So far, this is parroting my only real thought. I don't know how to view this info v. policy lynch yet. But the quick policy lynch doesn't seem very useful to me. I wouldn't gather much from it personally.

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Lurker slots is what we have vigilantes for.

killing lurkers for not being able to get engaged in a 50-player game is poor play at best and bullying at worst change my mind

Just a note: this sounds right.

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TSE is a bit but hurt about this lol-wagon which is fair enough but I think the statement I know there will be scum on the wagon is a given - irrespective of TSEs alignment, there is probably scum from either faction on the wagon as they all want to just lynch

Agreed.

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ahh, good guy to burn an invest on then.

I'm still catching up and taking notes. But when policy/info lynching was being discussed I thought Hectic sounded good the more he "doesn't post" the more I think it's a decent idea if we go that way.

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but there are plenty of town that post reasonless read list. Mastina for instance.

and not gonna lie, I'm still a bit salty.

What do u think of profii?

Go look at the lists KM posted. See if you can spot WHY I pushed them to explain.

At this point their follow up posts trying to dodge explaining are actually far more damning than the problem with the supposed reads.

I've got about 45 minutes till I have to go to work. I'll try and do another pass specifically on profii and see what I see.

Not to mention, wouldn't KM have probably defended this as a reasonless list by now if it means getting lynched as town?

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He claimed a Bodyguard target though. Don't we atleast wanna use that or do we just ignore it?

So you rolled Scum with TSE and tutored him to claim that??

So far I'm also liking the idea of making the use of TSE's claim.

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scum team 1

insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
profii
Egix96

scum team 2

Garmr

scum on someones team

SausasaurusRex
Black Ranger

so lets save the mod a replace and lynch a scummy slot with a useless role?

The LAMIST certainly doesn't look good to me here. I'm on board at this position for scum I think.

first post is LAMIST and the 2nd post is incriminating, in the context of following the first. Just quoting so i can find it later

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What would u have called the 2 scum teams?

probably scum and werewolves...

if anything it's less likely that I'd mix them up than if i said red scum blue scum

if that's what you'd call them y did you prod kirari about calling a 2nd team wolves?

how do you know the other scum faction are werewolves ?

and then use kirari to chide me over using scum team 1 and 2.

Also

strongly disagree

with Fonz that you are doing scum hunting. Light pushing me over using not wolves and throwing out a pressure point but meaningless q @ kirari seems very surface lvl @ best.

first bit - because i figured if i probe this sort of thing someone might react in a slippy kind of 'oops that's what my PM said kind of way'

2nd bit - i dont know what chide means but kirari didnt really react (though there is every chance i missed it if they did) and my gut is just more bothered by scum 1/2 than werewolves.

I could see this being for the reaction. But, I still think this move reads slightly scummy on Profii over all.

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scum team 1

insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
profii
Egix96

scum team 2

Garmr

scum on someones team

SausasaurusRex
Black Ranger

so lets save the mod a replace and lynch a scummy slot with a useless role?

first post is LAMIST and the 2nd post is incriminating, in the context of following the first. Just quoting so i can find it later

The LAMIST certainly doesn't look good to me here. I'm on board at this position for scum I think.

Sorry for messed up quoting.

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CSF - Since you claim that the reads make sense and demonstrate someone paying attention to the game and sorting ... please give your reads and a sentence or two explanation for each.

This seems weird to me too. I wanna know this.

I couldn't find any strong sort at all by that point in the game.

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Why is posting who i think is scummy LAMIST?

@ kage

This early in the game it seems unlikely to have reads that strong. I'm in the same boat with KM. It looks exactly like you're saying, I have reads, look at me, I'm so town. Both of you. But I'm not sure I see you on the same team by any means.

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Why is posting who i think is scummy LAMIST?

@ kage

This early in the game it seems unlikely to have reads that strong. I'm in the same boat with KM. It looks exactly like you're saying, I have reads, look at me, I'm so town. Both of you. But I'm not sure I see you on the same team by any means.

I didn't understand this. What is your read on Kirari?

Exactly what I said. Those lists look like LAMIST.

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This early in the game it seems unlikely to have reads that strong

I can't have scum reads early game? Why not? When am I able to start having reads?

I just didn't see enough content to justify those reads. But I'm also trying to null a lot of TSE crap. I want to see what happens with the alleged replacement. I'm not very happy that he just voted. Faking a replace?

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I mean, maybe its the hubris talking but I sorta feel like im on the right track b/c we have Fonz, profii, kage and hectic light pushing me for bullshit reasons

I'm light pushing more than one person. Light pushing shouldn't be that AI. I wouldn't even say I'm "pushing you" so much as stating an opinion of your actions.

Your style of defense is bugging me though.

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I just didn't see enough content to justify those reads.

Please point out the reads you're referring to.

The wheels from NC and KM. The one's me and NC are debating.

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*shrugz*

I'm saying that if you are sitting there and calling an early reads list "LAMIST" you are giving yourself the freedom to use it as an excuse to vote anytime you want and there's some possible scum motivation there.

I don't see it as a good enough reason to vote by any means.

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*shrugz*

I'm saying that if you are sitting there and calling an early reads list "LAMIST" you are giving yourself the freedom to use it as an excuse to vote anytime you want and there's some possible scum motivation there.

I don't see it as a good enough reason to vote by any means.

What's not a good enough reason to vote?

Are you normally this hesitant with

YOUR

vote?

Yes. I'm a slow thinker. And this all looks really muddy to me. When I rush into a vote when I only have very soft ideas, I mess things up. Pending a vote in mind when I catch up, though. Unless something changed drastically in 4 pages.

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Since when is there more then 1 Mafia Team?

is this a fake town slip?

How would this be a town slip? Mafia can technically be unaware of there being a second team.

Observing for now.

I really dislike your constant insistence that you're just observing, but playing anyway.

However, I would like to note that I agree with this position. I don't see this as a slip at all. There were plenty of notices about the set up. This is either dumb, or attempting to mislead somehow I think. I'm not sure, how....

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Calling me scummy while also calling TSE scum makes no sense, because I was fairly openly coaching him in thread, trying to pull him out of what looked like a self destructive cycle. You wanna claim I'm scum trying to pocket him, wrong but not unreasonable. But clearly if we were partners, I'd do that in scum PT, so gobble hadn't thought things through and isn't trying to analyse anyone's thought process. Worse, he was in MM2 where Miss Lynch fairly successfully tried the same strategy with TSE.

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Calling me scummy while also calling TSE scum makes no sense, because I was fairly openly coaching him in thread, trying to pull him out of what looked like a self destructive cycle. You wanna claim I'm scum trying to pocket him, wrong but not unreasonable. But clearly if we were partners, I'd do that in scum PT, so gobble hadn't thought things through and isn't trying to analyse anyone's thought process. Worse, he was in MM2 where Miss Lynch fairly successfully tried the same strategy with TSE.

(did it just double post me again? I SWEAR I'm not trolling. I don't even know what I hit this time.)

This makes sense unless the PT included this strategy for discussion, which could be done. But I don't think scum has a strong position by coaching TSE at this point. I think they would see it as a liability. So, I'm going to take this post at face for now.

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I also think that a few people know that TSE is an easy D1 mislynch that will lead to minimal damage against the mafia team.

This is a problem I see with a TSE lynch. At this point, the position is so muddied between policy and toxicity, that the reads aren't reliable. Anyone on the TSE wagon could be justified without being hard scum, necessarily. Even town has SOME reasons to vote TSE at this point.

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Why am I Day 1 Lynch bait?

Same reason I tend to be lynchbait. Loud and un-coordinated and emotional.

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Hi guys i have a readslist to compensate for my lack of productivity

Any other commentary on Dolly's list?

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Hey all.

There's nothing I hate more than Day 1. If you gave me the option of playing a neutral hated survivor, or Day 1, I'd pick the survivor every single time. I'll be taking notes in the background for now. Someone should let me know when we enter Day 2.

Observing for now.

Honestly I think Hectic is scummy because this is the second time he's brought this up and now it feels like he's covering for lack of content

yeeah. supes hard to believe ya wouldn't know 'wake on day 1' post when ya see one.

If this is important to solving Hectic, can you explain 'Wake on day 1'?

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So, you would say that Hectic saying he's doing nothing is almost empty, but you should be able to read people from their reactions based on Wake's meta? In a 50 man game? This is the first time I've ever seen Wake I think.

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chem was like *lynch Hec cause no contrib on day is bad* which is disingenuous if chem sees hec-post as memeing.
also *shrugs*

It does seem odd. You're not wrong.

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Okay. So I was going to vote BR. I'm with Drixx on that, but the hood situation has changed slightly, so I'm waiting to see what happens there. I do however want to see more pressure here.

VOTE: Kirari Momobami

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yeah but you didn't ask chem if he knew wake, you shaded him for it. was there a question that I missed?

if it was such a concern that chemist would be an opportunistic scum, why brush it off instead of interrogating?

I've been thinking the same thing. I lean a little scum on the tictac position. It seems to waffly for me to trust.

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I don't feel that strongly about it. But I'm watching it hard.

BTW, I wanted to say, I'm not directly opposed to the wagon on TSE, but I think his position dies within 2 days regardless, so I don't think it's worth pushing. I'd rather watch how people react to it when something happens. I also kinda wanna watch the claim play out for my own entertainment.

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non-play PSA (thought it was important)

Spoiler:

So, I've noticed a posting pattern familiar to me and it worries me. I personally came back to MS because of personal loss and needed to occupy my mind. Other posts in this game look very similar to when I emotionally freak out over a game. I'm trying to do this without saying TSE's posts, but I can't really find a way around it. Anyway, I just wanted to say that in general that depression or other mental issues can cause a lot of actions, like the replacing out behavior. I've been there done that. You can check my games. I would just in general like people to be aware that sometimes people need to be allowed to step back from the game.

May not apply here and I don't want to come off as defending any in game actions. I only see myself doing the same things, and it draws concerns. As far as game goes, a lack of empathy toward this sort of posting could allow scum in for an easy lynch. It's a reason by policy I will always state that I won't quote real life problems in a way that should ever be read as AI. Anyway, I'm not saying that's the position we're in, which is why the PSA is fully non-game, and this is just a general gameplay thought.

I AM personally not wanting to lynch based on what I see as possible emotional posts that if I made wouldn't carry content.

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You know the two scum teams should try and shoot for other scum or people that scum read me. If you shoot enough people that scum read me you can like set me up as mislynch and fuck over the other team since they are more dangerous than town. So aim for scummy people that scum read me you can't lose.

So what your saying is that if your scum you would killing off players that scum read you. Just looks like your trying to get ahead of suspect night kills by saying oh scum must be trying to frame me.

This wasn't a great look to me either. I thought about the same thing. But being novice, I wasn't sure if it was normal debate or not. So I didn't speak up.

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Oof this is bad AF. If you don't realize by now that day 1 is a gold mine for game solving, you need to go back to mafia school. There's like 3 separate games going on right now in this thread, and which one(s) people are choosing to interact with will be crazy meaningful as the game progresses. You're not likely to arrive at a complete solve this early, but you can certainly get a very good foundation.

I'm obv!novice, and I think I agree with this. I think it's all really muddy. But there's certainly plenty to prod at. Especially if my suspicions are right and there's at least 5 PTs. (2 scum, 2 hoods, 1 mason is my guess)

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But without D1 solving there could be problems finding a use for the results other players have later on.

I think that's what we've been trying to say. I think Drixx and I are on the same page.

@Drixx I might have missed it, but what's your position on TSE's position being scumbait because of loud claim? Seems like a decent limiter, or early NK to draw from.

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@Kage why are you playing up the fact your a novice????

I think I mentioned it like ... twice. And probably mostly because of novice fails in my last completed game. (technically I repped, but I don't think it ever went official).

Basically, because I'm not sure if I'm looking at things a good way. So people can hopefully help me recognize my mistakes and do better.

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Kirari Momobami
UltimatePlank
Rhinox
AaronFrost
Nero Cain
pisskop
EeveeLution Army
ar98mubarik
dsjstr

VaultDweller
Almost50
QuantumQuasar
tictac
BBMolla
eth0s
clidd
Jamelia
SausasaurusRex

Yiley
kagesong
Emperor FlippyNips
Pine
Drixx
NotAJumbleOfNumbers
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic
Black Ranger
davesaz
Amrun

TrueSoulEnergy
insomnia
hersho
bob3141
Chemist1422
Cat Scratch Fever
Something_Smart
profii
Jackal711
gobbledygook
Uncrowned
Elsa Jay
DrDolittle
The Fonz
Non Imh
Dolly Parton
Not Known 15
Pink Ball
Egix96
Golden Robster
Garmr

You sorted the entire player list when at least 10 people haven't even posted yet? Do tell how you managed that.

Glad there's more than just me asking this.

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@Kage why are you playing up the fact your a novice????

I think I mentioned it like ... twice. And probably mostly because of novice fails in my last completed game. (technically I repped, but I don't think it ever went official).

Basically, because I'm not sure if I'm looking at things a good way. So people can hopefully help me recognize my mistakes and do better.

It's used as a scum tell on this site for some reason. But why do you want to look good?

I'm not sure I understand the context of your question.

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TSE is honestly not worth any mental effort at the moment.

I think this is true. However, does that imply that there couldn't be use from the reaction to his claim, to see what happens there? Or would it all be moot iyo?

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"Drixx is good as scum. Multiball lets scum do townie things. Drixx is doing townie things. Therefore Drixx is scum."

I didn't see this as much as "[all the Drixx good scum stuff]... So, I don't think it's a good reason to lean town on him." Which is notably different than, "He's scum." Can you show me where you see that? This will help me sort insomnia's position I think.

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Main substantive bit was asking me why I cased him but voted elsewhere. I feel like that's probably not a good sign,

I agree that it looks bad. But I think that will be easy to sort. I'm personally more interested in the KM position right now.

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You know the two scum teams should try and shoot for other scum or people that scum read me. If you shoot enough people that scum read me you can like set me up as mislynch and fuck over the other team since they are more dangerous than town. So aim for scummy people that scum read me you can't lose.

So what your saying is that if your scum you would killing off players that scum read you. Just looks like your trying to get ahead of suspect night kills by saying oh scum must be trying to frame me.

This wasn't a great look to me either. I thought about the same thing. But being novice, I wasn't sure if it was normal debate or not. So I didn't speak up.

So what did you see. All you have said is "yes what he said"

As my read on him comes from his abondement of his fonz push so quickly after he realised he was mistaken about fonz voting TSE. Town him isnt easily taken a back. He might reconsider as town but he will push a bit more first. While scum him is bit more opportunistic but lets go much easier if it looks like he might lose the arguement.

So what about garmr contributed to you make your conclusion from that statement of garmrs

Unfortunately, all I can really say is basically what I've said.

I suppose my post would have been along the lines of, "are you trying to tell your scum buddies who to aim for somehow? Is there a PT tactic here?" But, that's gone very wrong for me a lot. I figured it would be a newb mistake to mention. (which apparently is AI to talk about? that's weird.)

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i sucked in mystery tho

eh I'm more process oriented than results oriented thinking in this particular case

This sounds like a mind set I could get behind. I'm bad at reading meta, but decent at finding strategic buttons. Where do you guys land right now? I'm not necessarily agreeing to agree with you. But I want to pick the mindset further.

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Top 10 questions no one will ever know the answer to.

Off the top of my head:

1- How Deep Is Your Love?
2- Who Can It Be Now?
3- Do You Really Want To Hurt Me?
4- Who Is It?
5- How Am I Supposed To Live Without You?
6- Where Do You Go?
7- Why?
8- Lover Why?
9- Can I Touch You?e
10- When Will I Be Famous?

Ooo, I think I learned the answers to these.

1- How Deep Is Your Love? Shallow as hell it turns out, just deep enough for lies.
2- Who Can It Be Now? Apparently not me.
3- Do You Really Want To Hurt Me? So much you won't want me back no matter how hard I try to come back.
4- Who Is It? nobody, you're paranoid
5- How Am I Supposed To Live Without You? I died.
6- Where Do You Go? Back to her mom's apparently
7- Why? Because money
8- Lover Why? Because I can't afford money for your healthcare
9- Can I Touch You? not anymore
10- When Will I Be Famous? Yeah right. Talent is worthless.

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Drixx / BR / Garmr / tictac

Can all get vig’d

I disagree on Drixx and tictac.

I think I'd be okay leaving tictac on the list. Why wouldn't you?

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Few things-

There's a hood.

Oh my, no one knew. We had no idea. Nobody had said anything about it. Okay, I'll read your post when I stop lolling.

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Okay. So I was going to vote BR. I'm with Drixx on that, but the hood situation has changed slightly, so I'm waiting to see what happens there. I do however want to see more pressure here.

VOTE: Kirari Momobami

Just to clarify, this was me noting that I'm in the hood with Drixx. APPARENTLY, that wasn't clear, and I was "refusing to corroborate". Either that or 'somebody' is trying to build a very thin layer of scumminess on me.

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yeah but you didn't ask chem if he knew wake, you shaded him for it. was there a question that I missed?

if it was such a concern that chemist would be an opportunistic scum, why brush it off instead of interrogating?

This post looks towny.

Definitely not same faction. I don't scum read insomnia rn either. And I sorta do chemist. I don't want to tunnel a town position just in case it's RvB/SvW, but I think it creates a decent town lean, or at least useful for sorting scum position.

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Okay. So I was going to vote BR. I'm with Drixx on that, but the hood situation has changed slightly, so I'm waiting to see what happens there. I do however want to see more pressure here.

VOTE: Kirari Momobami

Just to clarify, this was me noting that I'm in the hood with Drixx. APPARENTLY, that wasn't clear, and I was "refusing to corroborate". Either that or 'somebody' is trying to build a very thin layer of scumminess on me.

You said in the hood that you didn't want to. Don't get snippy with me when you know I'm behind in the game thread.

I said I wasn't sure. And got a response. I didn't act on it RIGHT away, but fairly soon. Not how I expected to, but, it seems like you would have looked into whether or not I followed up on it in my ISO before trying to nail me over it.

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The hood does not have a list of people with access to it. It actually says the opposite.

Please confirm you're saying the hood specifically says you don't know who all has access?

He may have by now, but yeah, I'm only aware of those that have posted myself.

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That’s interesting. I’m also in a neighbourhood, but mine lists all the people with access at the top.

That's really interesting. We don't. I'm not even sure we know how many are there.

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There... wasn't a list at least. There is now. Is my memory trapped?

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I'd like to note that I've also been running on 1-4 seizures a day, which could affect my cognition. But as of right now, I believe the PT started without a list. I'mma ask in the hood.

I'm apparently losing memories more than I thought though. I might be sitting back for a few days. I'll try to catch up.

I am NOT saying that I WILL be inactive, just that I might. Just so I don't get pocketed for pushing through and making myself think about things while I'm foggy like this.

Though, as I'm typing, I think I might not catch up. I'm definitely losing grip on cognition right now.

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p sure there wasn;t a list in all the hoods and then he edited it in later.

Are you saying, asking or mocking this? I can't tell from context, cognition, yada yada I just typed. I'll try to stick around for that answer at least.

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So, out of game, I can feel safe at least that much wasn't lost memory/cognition? Sorry for the serious tone. But it's been hard to figure out what's going on with these seizures for over a year now. And we think (well I guess just I now) that if I can keep track of lost memory, etc. we might find out.

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Okay, words hurt to read now. I'm out. Crap, I gotta write a whole article tonight somehow.

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Could someone just like, go ahead and site ban me? not that I deserve it per se, outside of maybe this post. But I keep trying to use Mafia as an escape from real world problems, and then not being able to play because of my real world depression/anger/seizures/brain/beingashittypersonandnotdeservinganyreprieve and then having to replace. So, like, can we just make it not possible for me, so I don't have to trap myself into the hurt of trying to play again. Not that it matters if I manage to get in the car tomorrow. Time will tell.

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Yoga usually calms the mind.

Got money to pay for it? Cause I don't. Nor do I have any way to realistically get any. I can't work, but I don't qualify for disability cause government, and the only person who cared to help me at all walked the hell out. SO GET SOME FUCKING YOGA YOURSELF.

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Oh, also, I messaged for a replace. I know I shouldn't say that here, but seems like maybe Wake won't with the TSE stuff, and I literally asked for a ban anyway. So, last post. Except, I'm not TSE, so probably unsubbing as soon as I post this.