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[Kirari Momobami]

Non-randomized 6-Man Masonry:

Spoiler:

Elsa Jay, tictac, Insomnia, Golden Robster, Pink Ball

Now let's see how well the wheel does!

The Mafia

Spoiler:

DrDolittle
Egix96
Pine
bob3141
TrueSoulEnergy
gobbledygook

The Werewolves

Spoiler:

Chemist1422
Almost50
pisskop
EeveeLution Army
Hectic
Drixx

The Serial Killer

Spoiler:

hersho

The non-mason townies

Spoiler:

Jamelia
VaultDweller
dsjstr
Yiley
Amrun
The Fonz
NotAJumbleOfNumbers
UltimatePlank
clidd
Dolly Parton
Non Imh
Uncrowned
Rhinox
QuantumQuasar
kagesong
davesaz
Black Ranger
profii
Jackal711
NorwegianboyEE
Something_Smart
BBMolla
Not Known 15
AaronFrost
Cat Scratch Fever
eth0s
Nero Cain
Garmr
Emperor FlippyNips
ar98mubarik
SausasaurusRex

Who wants to put odds/bets on the number of correct WHEEL rolls in each category?

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[Kirari Momobami]

Let's see how I do vs THE WHEEL

Masons

Spoiler:

A50, insomnia, Pink Ball, Nero, DrDolittle

Townlean

Spoiler:

Norway, Tictac, Egix, bob, Cat Scratch

Acceptable lynches:
Leaning scum over town

Spoiler:

Hectic
Chemist
S_S
Garmr
Yiley
Jumble
profii

Leaning scum

Spoiler:

Fonz
Elsa
TSE
AaronFrost
Drixx

TSE's a fine lynch, would also do Elsa, Fonz, AF, Drixx

[Kirari Momobami]

I don't think this setup can be won through coalition unfortunately which means early game is gonna kinda suck

[Kirari Momobami]

Interestingly you call it scum team 1 and scum team 2 when someone else just openly said the obvious 2nd choice of werewolf...

Considering your word choice is probably more scummy than the dude who didnt

Why is werewolf the "obvious 2nd choice"? Why does Kirari's choice of nomenclature carry so much weight with u?

I mean, why in the world is it "scummy" that I didn't call the 2nd scum team wolves?

Yeah I could also do profii

I mean there's a lot of scum posting already

[Kirari Momobami]

This is terrible. Reasons for the scum leans and "would lynch" please. Next post I see from you (after this post) or I'm going to assume you're scum coming in with this wheel bullshit and the "reads" which are a bad look.

Think it's safe to say that's my read based on reading their/your posts

Are you salty that I've caught you already? :3

[Kirari Momobami]

We've never played together (to my knowledge), so you don't even know how to start trying to catch me, even if I were actually scum.

I literally just lynched you and Dunn, where Dunn made basically the exact same whiny post as the one you just made

"waah waah explain why you've already caught me waah waaah"

[Kirari Momobami]

So you're just gonna keep on avoiding explaining your reads then? Good ... because they were obviously bullshit and your reactions are making it pretty clear you're flailing on being pushed for it. You can eat rope.

Yeah whining about "explaining" reads when I'm one of the only people in the entire game who has given reads is the sort of nonsensical bullshit that made Dunn scum too :3

[Kirari Momobami]

I have no idea why anyone town would ever speculate about who is and isn't a mason,

hey look we have the game's scum bitmap to mirror the game's scum dunnstral LOL

Fonz I saw your posts in the boon game, so I'm disinclined to think that you have a thought process this weak as town

[Kirari Momobami]

The problem with KM was the very close follow up presenting "actual" reads at a point when they weren't plausible to the game state.

VOTE: Drixx

Let's lynch this slot today actually

He a) wants me to explain my initial take on the first twelve pages of the game

because b) he thinks twelve pages is not enough to have reads "plausible to the game state"

I'm sorry but this is like classic whiny scum. "How can you scumread me off RVS?"

Given most people at that point had 4-5 posts I think it's safe to say that if I'm scumreading someone, it's probably because of what they posted

Notice he's not refuting any specific read, he doesn't want to spew any *specific* slot, he just dislikes me HAVING reads and wants to complain about it

Dunnstral responded in the exact same manner when I was 2/2 in AvT

[Kirari Momobami]

Here's my explanation of my read on you Drixx: as scum, you seem to be angry all the time and hate the thread, whereas as town you tend to think about the game and not just hate everything

You just constantly complaining about things this game largely matches the tone of your scum meta

Is that what you were complaining about? Me scumreading you off tone in RVS? Because you trying to hard tunnel me for simply listing you as a scumread is like wildly scummy LOL

[Kirari Momobami]

Scum tend to complain about town having a lot of reads early, I think they think it's like an insult to their scumplay or something, and three separate people complained about me having reads this game without any of them actually offering a specific read they wanted to engage me on

[Kirari Momobami]

I have no idea why anyone town would ever speculate about who is and isn't a mason, or ask others to do so.

As I mentioned before, thinking I'm seriously speculating about a mason and not simply listing townreads is something that I see much more from scum suffering cognitive load. I have seen Fonz games and he is not the dunce of his avi

I'm not, remotely, GRRRRing about anything you're doing, and the problem with your behaviour towards Kirari is not that you don't SR her, it's that you're clearly trying to derail her wagon, but won't state a TR there.

This is also pretty scummy

[Kirari Momobami]

If your "reads" were legitimate, then a sentence or two on each person isn't even approaching an unreasonable request. You continue to do anything and everything to avoid just explaining your headspace.

Look at the posts of the slots I have read on. My read will be based on those posts. If you disagree with a read, you can explain why you townread them.

You can ask me about you specifically, and I am happy to explain -- you're scum off tone. The whininess of your posts reminds me very much of your exasperated omgus toward me at the end of AvT

I get 0 indication you care about my thoughts or headspace and just want me to say more things for you to throw bad-faith arguments at

[Kirari Momobami]

That last line is hilarious. Your defense here is that you are so fucking terrible at this game that you think what Player X did in game Y means anything about Player Z in this game? Fucking pathetic. Glad I kept my vote on you. In some weird world where you are not scum, you're a fucking liability.

This is like a hilariously scummy overreaction. Also saying I'm a liability when I just swept your entire team in AvT is pretty funny

[Kirari Momobami]

Voting Drixx is much easier, since his name is shorter.

[Kirari Momobami]

this is going to turn into "find the scum in X hood" game isn't it?

If you are town and you want to lose the game, you can play that game. Otherwise any individual player’s default should treat all neighbors as town until other information eclipses that default.

i think Goobers sounds scummy

I don't think it's a very convincing argument but I don't really see why you think it comes from a scum POV?

[Kirari Momobami]

amrun doesn't even think TSE is scum, that's like the definition of a go with the flow scum vote.

I think there's going to be a lot of go with the flow votes from town as well though in a 50 player mess like this

[Kirari Momobami]

P-Edit: and KM starts to respond to other stuff. That's like literally the one thing that KM could have done to make me reassess. Even grudgingly giving reasoning on those early reads wouldn't have helped at this point.

LOL lynch this slot seriously

look at this bullshit

"OMG KIRARI EXPLAIN YOUR READS THAT DONT NEED EXPLANATIONS

OMG KIRARI RAN FROM THE THREAD

OMG KIRARI IS PLAYING BUT FUCK ITS TOO LATE ITS BEEN A WHOLE FUCKING 24 HOURS FUCKKKKKK"

we need to get Drixx out of this game like IMMEDIATELY this is like wolfing 101

[Kirari Momobami]

I can't disagree with thoughts that haven't been expressed.

I gave reads, you can agree or disagree with the reads. Screaming for reasoning is scummy

If you disagree with the read, then you can explain why you disagree. I'm not going to explain every read on every player in a 50 player game unless someone actually thinks it's worth disagreeing with me on something specific.

Do you want to write up explanations on every player that has posted so far? Why don't you do a full 50-player detailed reads list on day one?

No? You're not going to do that because it's an insane and stupid fucking request? huh, how about that

[Kirari Momobami]

Oh wow if Kirari isn't scum she comes from the Titus school of super arrogant and super wrong. The whole "You're too smart to suspect me" thing is such a scum move tho.

I feel like my point about you was pretty straightforward. I said thinking I was mason-fishing is scummy, I didn't say you were "too smart to suspect me" I said you were unlikely to make that specific point as town. Why are you struggling to understand a relatively straightforward point?

[Kirari Momobami]

Like let's look at this post's structure:

Masons
Townlean
Leaning scum over town
Leaning scum

When does town look at this post and not infer that "masons" refers to strong townreads?

I do think failing to pick up on obvious jokes can reflect cognitive load, and scum generally has greater cognitive load than town

[Kirari Momobami]

Okay. So I was going to vote BR. I'm with Drixx on that, but the hood situation has changed slightly, so I'm waiting to see what happens there. I do however want to see more pressure here.

VOTE: Kirari Momobami

Just out of curiosity, do you believe saying "I want to see more pressure here" will make there be more pressure there in a 50 player game?

Obviously I'm not impartial here, but why is this not a vote park? What do you hope to achieve with this post and the pressure you imply you want?

[Kirari Momobami]

nero, insomnia, fonz... one of you, be my shepherd, direct my vote as your own

why did you select those three players?

How are 26 people going to agree on a vote when everyone is pulling in different directions. Coordinating a lynch at this point is going to be a nightmare.

True but why is this post going to contribute to greater cohesion? I feel like if you dislike the TSE wagon you should propose something else. You're welcome to join me on Drixx :3

Drixx has already done more town things this game than he did in the entirety of TvA.

Can you expand on what you like from his posting here? Because when I was town with him in Tatsuya's anime upick I distinctly recall not feeling like every time he posted he was a toddler that had just been denied a lollypop, which is how almost every single post he has written this game reads to me

[Kirari Momobami]

I think, from the 2 pages ive seen from the game, that gobbles is trying to play town instead of be town. One was the joke about how I always roll scum and the second that really pinged me was the comment about how we _could_ play games and spec and etal.

I havent read and I dont know anything about the game other than I got an email about it.

Alright. What do you think of Drixx rn?

[Kirari Momobami]

Literally no one would assume that.

Okay, why would you *assume* I'm mason fishing *instead* of assuming something simpler like *listing townreads*?

Why is the assumption that I am mason fishing in a game with no confirmed masons more reasonable than literally any other explanation?

[Kirari Momobami]

Explain Tictac, AF and S_S Reads.

woo

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

I liked the woo; also joining a bandwagon to help get the game started is +townie

SS I didn't like the SK claim or the way he's made three separate posts just to say "hello" to people basically. I've been looking for reasons to townread him in his more recent posting and haven't seen anything yet

Oh boy this is gonna be a game. Of mafia. That we are gonna play.

Oh boy this is gonna be a game. Of mafia. That we are gonna play.

Are the Traitor of your team? Too bad nobody crumbed scum in their first post though.

Yeah I rolled traitor again and that makes me sad

Playing as a traitor is hard

91 is a really awkward entrance

claiming traitor in multi-ball is pretty survivalistic

don't see any reason to townread AF rn

**

OK, so why did you choose those three names? Do you disagree on any of them or were you simply choosing one from each category?

[Kirari Momobami]

There is 17 people here.

You imply this like a contradiction but given I don't even have reads on 33 players, why is it more reasonable to harass me to explain the gut reads and initial impressions I have over solving the rest of the game?

What's your read of Drixx?

[Kirari Momobami]

In general, I have felt for years that posting lists of every player in the game is useless for town, and more something scum do to look town. I find it much more town to just talk about 2-3 of your strongest reads at a time.

Okay

So, why are you not voting Drixx, who thinks it's productive to give detailed reads on 17 players in the game when I don't have 17 scumreads?

[Kirari Momobami]

Nero/Kirari block,

Talking about a two-player "block" right now is scummy.

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm fine with the wheel and unexplained reads and w/e but the only thing I dislike from KM is her soft defense of Amrun.

amrun doesn't even think TSE is scum, that's like the definition of a go with the flow scum vote.

I think there's going to be a lot of go with the flow votes from town as well though in a 50 player mess like this

Amrun is one of three players I've mislynched this year and the reason I mislynched her was for going with the flow too much while she was busy

That doesn't make her town here but I think pushing her for that reason is unwise

[Kirari Momobami]

Because I side with Drixx in your argument. Basically, he's saying you don't actually have reads on everyone you've stated a read on, and in asking you to provide justifications he's actively expecting you not to be able to.
The reason he thinks this is because he thinks your reads are fake, and you don't actually have them - you're just claiming you do to fake the appearance of scumhunting.

Conversely, why are my reads on page 12-13 not going to be "because I read their posts"?

When each slot is going to have a few posts, and I am giving initial takes, how is it not self-evident that I am responding to pretty much their entire iso at that point?

Likewise, why is it pro-town to discourage slots from giving early game reads/impressions? I feel like scum much more frequently attacks early game reads lists and town is much more likely to GIVE early game reads lists because they are trying to get into the game, so this argument that scum is more likely to fake a bunch of structured positions to produce content and conversation I feel like is the opposite of reality. What games or posts make you feel this way?

You keep saying "justifications" as though early game reads are going to be very elaborate and detailed. Usually I will either have one or two pings, or see a bunch of blah posts that don't give me much reason to townread which in turn moves the slots down in the poe.

Also, you're saying you're siding with Drixx, but you're not saying you townread him. What is your read of Drixx irrespective of you 'siding' with him or not?

[Kirari Momobami]

I am by no means doing the Bolded.

I wasn't referring to you there, I was discussing Drixx's attitude toward the list

[Kirari Momobami]

I haven’t read any of Drixx’s posts.
Is there any specific posts of theirs you want me to look at?

I don't think his iso is so long you couldn't just read all of it tbh?

[Kirari Momobami]

Kirari, is Drixx's real time posting slightly out of his scum range?

Not really, he's definitely posting more independently than he did in AvT but I haven't seen him separate from Cerb that often. Do you think he is outside his scumrange? What games are you thinking of?

[Kirari Momobami]

My dislike of 728 aside I think kage is probably town

[Kirari Momobami]

Imagine being happy to play with people? What makes you think I would say hello to people for any reason other than that I want to be friendly?

Yeah and? You're null-scum and I still don't see anything to townread you for in your posts since then. Also your AtE day 1 wagons being "policy lynch" when I don't think people had actually made that argument about TSE struck me as off as well

What's your read of Drixx?

[Kirari Momobami]

Hmmm. True but his fundamental tone of complaining about stuff in a overly dramatic fashion is still closer to his scumplay than his townplay. Also, after TvA if he rolled scum again he might just be inclined to post more?

Where are you on Fonz/Elsa/Aaron?

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm pretty sure multiple people mentioned they wanted to policy TSE, so I don't really know what about that you think is AtE.

At the time you made the post I'm only seeing Nero implying such, and he didn't really say it was a policy lynch directly

The first four votes were all naked which suggests it was just a random wagon for the most part? Given the biggest threat to a 50 player day one is inertia, I'm not sure why you'd be primarily concerned with five votes being too many or a "policy lynch" getting another 20. Town does have to start somewhere after all

[Kirari Momobami]

Like I think town is more likely to join in on a bandwagon to get the game rolling and meanwhile you're:
1) claiming SK
2) congratulating people on their scumday
and
3) complaining that an RVS wagon is a policy lynch when only one person had said as much

Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty awkward entrance to the game. As a general rule, when your posts look more like Elsa's posts than anyone elsa's, then that's generally a bad sign

[Kirari Momobami]

There are some old scum games of his from like 2017 that suggest his scum style is to take the time to come up with a lot of fake analysis but to not post very often. His posts in AvT seem to fall into that general profile too. I wouldn't say completely outside his scumrange, but I think he's more town than not.

Okay but doesn't he as town tend to be lurky and make highly analytical posts? I feel like his tone as town is reserved and considerate and here he feels angry, and in AvT he also felt angry

[Kirari Momobami]

Like I can understand if this is too nuanced for day 1 in a super large and I can see where you're coming from, but I feel like you're saying "this is diff than his scum game" but my bigger concern is that this is really different from his towngame. Scum that recently lost a scum game can adjust their play; town tends to be a little more consistent in how they approach games

[Kirari Momobami]

What? I'd like reads on Drixx/Elsa/Aaron/Fonz

[Kirari Momobami]

On a reread maybe I was a bit too sensitive... but I'm sure you can understand why I thought that wagon was not exactly random?

Sure but that TSE has a negative reputation is more an indication that he's a fine RVS wagon, so since the point is to get him to give some sort of reaction and get the game going, shading the wagon before he reacts seems kinda anti-town. Like the whole point of RVS is to get reactions, and saying "no don't randomly wagon someone!" in a 50 player game RVS is like ???

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm just a little surprised the TSE wagon seems to be falling apart and we're all going off in our own directions.

What did you think of the self-vote?

[Kirari Momobami]

I never said not to random wagon him? I said not to policy lynch him (and it wasn't complaining, either)...

I guess; it read as complaining to me but maybe it wasn't meant that way. I didn't get this impression from your posts

Where are you on Fonz/Elsa/Aaron?

[Kirari Momobami]

Cool hit us with a reads lists and explanations dave

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm not the one claiming to have a high number of reads. And you don't get to reverse the question like that.
It's midnight:30 for me and past time to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.

Yes I do

You're making a bad faith argument and discouraging people from giving reads

I have given explanations for every read asked of me in good faith

So now I want your reads with explanations since you decided to take a lazy pot shot at me

VOTE: dave

pop ins to complain about impressions and reads = you can get voted

[Kirari Momobami]

No it's not lol

What's your reads of fonz/aaron/elsa somni?

[Kirari Momobami]

You haven't read any of aaron's posts? I thought you two had like meta or something

[Kirari Momobami]

Haven’t read any of their posts except for fonz and he good

What did you like in fonz's posting btw?

KM has just refused to give any thinking and reasoning whatsoever,

lol I've explained every read I've been asked in good faith

What are your reads on Fonz/Elsa/Aaron?

You keep referring to my posts as "angry" but I haven't had any strong emotion when reading/posting this game. I've definitely been snarky,

I haven't felt like you've been snarky at all, I've felt like most of your posts feel like someone annoyed that they are forcing themselves to play the game. I also felt like you more or less fabricated your reasons for pushing me given you didn't wait for me to give explanations for reads before tunneling me for a day while I was asleep and at work

No you haven't. I asked in good faith.

You did not. Town asking in good faith engages on specific reads; you never even made it clear if you disagreed with any part of the list. If I don't even have reads on 33 people in the game why do you think I want to take time to explain my initial gut takes on the 17 people I do have reads on when those reads are constantly shifting?

Furthermore giving detailed explanations on townreads in a multiball game is anti-town given you're just making it easier for scum to shoot my townreads at that point

If you were asking in good faith, you would engage me on the scumreads you did or did not agree on. Demanding explanations of townreads is anti-town in this gamestate unless you actively plan to disagree with them or push them

I checked the ISO on this. Loud Bodyguard is pretty self resolving.

I would not have believed this with TSE, but I do believe it for you

Nope! I'm commenting on a conversation that's going on between a couple of other players. Nowhere does that discourage people from having reads. If anything it encourages explanations.

OK but I want to see some reads from you, with explanations

***

S_S actually kinda feels town for the way he's re-evaluated and engaged with Drixx last few pages

[Kirari Momobami]

can we lynch profil now?

sell me on profii being better than aaron or elsa?

[Kirari Momobami]

Yeah actually this is fine on reread

VOTE: profii

it's funny, no one ever bothered to give me a straight answer on their fonz read but actually there are things in his iso I like

[Kirari Momobami]

ftr I had that in pedit before you told me to vote him

[Kirari Momobami]

What about SS saying 'hello' to people makes him more likely scum over town? Why is my 'awkward' entrance or my fake traitor claim at the beginning of the game scum indicative? Have you read the rest of my posts that have actual game content in them? Are you actually serious with that tictac read?

these are explanations of reads specifically given on page 12, thirty pages ago, which is another reason that asking for explanations of reads in a game this fast can be dumb. We're now 30 pages later and people are still arguing over a readslist that is no longer up to date

SS was null/nullscum at the time, otherwise known as the "would lynch" pile but he's now town

Your entrance was awkward, faking a traitor claim in multiball is scummy, and your posts since then have not improved my read of you, including your omgus and shade right now

That you're asking about the tictac read from 30 pages ago but not asking about the push on tictac RIGHT NOW from a bunch of other slots is really weird. I do still think tictac is town but now more because I don't see why she decides to push TSE-slot AFTER it is replaced by a far more charismatic player, even if the reasoning there was admittedly really bad

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm basically trying to sort people into "would lynch D1" and "would not lynch D1"

Maybe instead of announcing that this is what you're doing, you could just... do it

[Kirari Momobami]

Never use that gif again

[Kirari Momobami]

If that's true, why aren't you going with the majority's sneezes but starting your own wagon?

The majority sneeze would be on you?

[Kirari Momobami]

30 pages in this game is the equivalent of like 24 hours in real time, so I'd expect most of those reads to at least be somewhat relevant. I'm also in catchup mode right now but tictac was giving me scum vibes with some of their early posting.

What early posts from tictac did you scumread?

[Kirari Momobami]

how did titus even become a wagon

someone post a VC scum are trying to deflect the real scum lynch

which is tictac

....Titus never became a wagon, Titus replaced TSE who was randomly wagoned in RVS

...what is this post?

[Kirari Momobami]

Plural. That includes BR and tictac.

What are your reads on them btw?

Ah, Titus asking for reads I have explained within the last page :3 Classic

BR could be scum but the case there is mostly from Drixx describing PT interactions afaik which is a bit more indirect than I'd prefer for day 1. I'm not sure what main-thread argument there is on BR scum?

[Kirari Momobami]

I think Drixx's play here is a huge contrast from TvA and I don't think I want to lynch there today.

You know, it occurs to me this could actually be Aaron taking my advice to start towncasing town off meta to break his habit of only towncasing scum off meta when he's scum

I wonder if this actually spews Drixx not!partners with Aaron

Probably not but it would be amusing if true

[Kirari Momobami]

BR is scum for the hood interaction and when he came back he didn't even address his wagon. I want competeing scum wagons and I feel like ppl are overlooking profil.

The problem with this argument is that we don't know if BR did respond to the argument but did so only in the hood without waiting around for Drixx to update us, which is why arguments contingent on hood interactions are boring

[Kirari Momobami]

I will lynch between BR & tictac

What's your reads of Aaron/Elsa/Profii?

[Kirari Momobami]

Really felt like they were trying to justify hopping on the TSE bandwagon.

Why is justifying a vote scummy?

This felt like a weird thing to point out

Why is observing that someone is off on tone because they're doing an impersonation "weird"? Isn't that just shutting down a bad argument by providing new information?

This felt like a weird reason to scumread Chemist as well.

Why is it a "weird" reason to you and not a "scummy" reason if you're saying she's scum for it? Like I don't know how well chemist and tictac and wake all know each other but I don't think it's likely tictac is going to get a lynch on chemist for failing to notice Hectic doing a wake impression

Like I feel like you're more focusing on convoluted thought processes rather than scummy thought processes

[Kirari Momobami]

Ok if Tictac flips scum, I want Nero next. That only applies in tictac scum world though.

Part of me says Nero's just making busiwork but Nero and I butting heads is a perpetual condition.

I actually dislike each of these three sentences for different reasons

[Kirari Momobami]

I read this and thought "that's not a way I'd usually think of Dave, what's going on..."
KM appears to have massively over reacted and I cant think to what end

I actually just wanted dave to give reads which he then did but thanks for the insightful scum commentary

[Kirari Momobami]

Why is it scum commentary and not wrong town commentary out of curiosity?

Taking a wrong comment and then trying to draw a pre-flip associative from it when I was not actually voting the slot previously demonstrates that you're not only not reading but you're fabricating associative claims to present the pretext of solving. If you had actually been reading my posts and trying to make such a connection you'd see I wasn't even on TSE before making that vote, I'd been on Drixx, who CSF had argued was not a great day 1 lynch off meta.

So yeah, you obviously not reading my posts while trying to draw associative arguments as though you were is pretty scummy

[Kirari Momobami]

Illogical lunatic or scum?

I'm not really sure but kinda leaning scum again now tbh, those recent posts and the tictac push have been pretty wolfy

[Kirari Momobami]

It’s still a separate neighborhood from the others right?

I'm not sure I understand what this means

[Kirari Momobami]

I like garmr,

why do you like garmr?

[Kirari Momobami]

You are wrong. I have no idea as of the real identity of this person. But i can guarantee you that if Alisae was KM then there would have been a very big contradiction in a game i played recently.

I was literally in that game with you... lol what

[Kirari Momobami]

Kirari did you even understand what the content of my post was replying too?

Oh I get it now, you were using "contradiction" in a looser sense than I was thinking

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: ar98mubarik

Have you decided it is time to purge random lurkers?

[Kirari Momobami]

Actually I don't even care, the major wagons don't feel good, I'm fine rolling the dice

VOTE: ar98mubarik

[Kirari Momobami]

Sorry I already looked at playerlist to confirm you were typing a real name

[Kirari Momobami]

Eth0s
Jackal711
Something_Smart
Gold Robster
Kirari Momobami
Dolly Parton

On this point, I like SS and Nero for town right now, and Dolly might have town potential

I like GR usually but if she's not going to play then I'm happy with vig shots inside Jackal/Eth0s/GR

[Kirari Momobami]

GR and ethos haven't posted yet, Jackal made 1 post complaining about day 1 speed, Dolly has a few posts, most of the conversation is between me, Nero, and SS

ftr the game began with no reveal of hood inhabitants, we only know about GR and ethos because mod added a list a day or so into the game

[Kirari Momobami]

hi

I guess this would be my top vig shot actually given he said hi in the main thread but not in the hood (when no hood inhabitants were listed). I'm not sure it's actually scum indicative with a slot this inactive but it's definitely a slot I'd prefer not to think about on day 2. GR conversely might just get inactivity-replaced soon hopefully

[Kirari Momobami]

From what I know of Ethos, he prefers playing as scum. This might be a real life related lack of activity or potentially even town indicative.

Fair, it's not much of a read, I just wouldn't mind unloading some slots from the hood that I don't townread

@mod -- it's been over two days since game began, replacement progress on GR slot?

[Kirari Momobami]

Don't keep us in suspense, roll the dice then pink floof

[Kirari Momobami]

Just spit it out if you're going to bring it up

[Kirari Momobami]

I was actually going to guess that too

VOTE: clidd

[Kirari Momobami]

While I appreciate the desire to keep the number of replacements to a reasonable amount, the game-start PM *is* the first prod and you could just start replacing now but ok

[Kirari Momobami]

I think only 5 or 6 people haven't posted yet to the thread. GR, clidd, UltimatePlank, hersho, ar98mubarik <-- I think this is the current replacement list. 50 player game I'd rather get started on the replacements early since all of those other than clidd I would guess haven't posted on site since signups, although I didn't double check that

[Kirari Momobami]

J/w but why are you good for lurker lynches a page ago but now that it's clidd instead you're not interested els?

[Kirari Momobami]

Damn I was hoping you had a greater level of dissatisfaction with these wagons because that actually seemed townie until the tictac vote

why do you think tictac doubles down on pushing titus after titus replaces in as scum? Like I still don't see a scum strategy there and the only information I see us getting from that lynch is confirmation that slots like aaron that I already scumread are still scummy and a lot of lazy people are willing to sheep titus even on a bad push

[Kirari Momobami]

... You think you're doing a day 1 lynch on a serial killer in a 50 player game?

At the time tictac pushed she was at 4 votes. "Self-preservation"? And how is going aggro at a charismatic player "self-preservation"

[Kirari Momobami]

UNVOTE:


Since my vote doesn’t mean shit anyways

Hmm if you unvote while not voting anyone, does that mean you're now voting everyone?

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: Tictac seems like the best lynching target at this early stage.

why do you feel that way saussaurus?

[Kirari Momobami]

Perhaps I have played with wake, ever and have a reading comprehension level above a 6th grader?

Perhaps we should add jackass to your list of offenses.

Town

Oh okay are you townreading people for hostility now in a 50 player game on day 1

Because that is a great way to turn 5 replacements into a cancelled game

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: sausagerex

[Kirari Momobami]

Wait in this exchange you're still scumreading tictac right? Why is titus town for an insult but tictac scum for being condescending?

[Kirari Momobami]

so you're townreading titus for calling out what you see as a bullshit argument, not for being hostile while doing so?

[Kirari Momobami]

Cat has been making a lot of lowkey but productive meta arguments, I think that slot is town and I disagree with the vote being opportunistic

[Kirari Momobami]

Elsa, sausage just said you haven't done anything scummy. You gonna take that from him?

[Kirari Momobami]

Pink floof what did you think of 1597?

[Kirari Momobami]

"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

Gdi I swore I switched that time

[Kirari Momobami]

Pink floof what did you think of 1597?

They are both wrong and it's a discussion that ultimately doesn't matter at all

When does town argue "one scumteam's goal is to eliminate the other scumteam" in multiball? That feels like scum positioning

[Kirari Momobami]

Why would it make sense for scum to try and pocket someone when their goal is to eliminate the other scum team?

Like just this sentence

VOTE: aaronfrost

[Kirari Momobami]

Scum isn't gonna try to pocket anyone this game huh aaron?

[Kirari Momobami]

He said he's not scum with fonz now vote aaron

[Kirari Momobami]

Elsa you know simply flipping things I said about your scumgame will not make me townread you

[Kirari Momobami]

It's a fair point somni although I thought she was town off tone earlier so I'll have to reread, can I get your perspective on aaron because he smells like a good lynch to me right now

[Kirari Momobami]

Scum isn't gonna try to pocket anyone this game huh aaron?

Because scum don't know who's town or who's scum? They only know the people on their own team. They have 6 other scum plus a serial killer in addition to town to worry about.

This reads to me like scum explaining why they're not trying to pocket people

[Kirari Momobami]

Pink floof what did you think of 1597?

They are both wrong and it's a discussion that ultimately doesn't matter at all

When does town argue "one scumteam's goal is to eliminate the other scumteam" in multiball? That feels like scum positioning

It's easy to get into Utopian scenarios where we theorise that scum want to identify all bar 1 of the other scum team to prolong the extra night kill but I'm sure 99 times out of 100 it doesnt happen

I think a fairly natural thought is "in a game that is typically the informed vs the uninformed, the semi informed scum would probably find it advantageous to identify all the other scums as a starter for 10"



I feel like you are going against the grain intentionally here

I could also lynch profii if we want to go back to that too

13 scum is stupid

[Kirari Momobami]

Anything in particular that you want my thought on or

1597

[Kirari Momobami]

Scum nitpicks, town hunts

What is your read of aaron's iso elsewhere if you don't hate that post?

[Kirari Momobami]

I think only 5 or 6 people haven't posted yet to the thread. GR, clidd, UltimatePlank, hersho, ar98mubarik <-- I think this is the current replacement list. 50 player game I'd rather get started on the replacements early since all of those other than clidd I would guess haven't posted on site since signups, although I didn't double check that

Now that clidd has posted there are 4 slots due to be replaced

[Kirari Momobami]

I have no idea what you mean.

Last game I observed you like playing scum more and this game you're implying you hope you die early, I was saying that you wanting to die does not make me townread you despite flipping my observation from last time

[Kirari Momobami]

So if Nancy posted on all of her alts by the time she was done would you forget who she was?

[Kirari Momobami]

Seeking replacement for Uncrowned.

does this mean the other three have confirmed they're playing only by PM?

[Kirari Momobami]

at least ask something that's not already answered

Titus I love you, but this is pretty rich coming from you

[Kirari Momobami]

The two times I've seen scum nero his play was pretty forgettable. Nero is a driving force this game. Like or hate his reads he is a pretty easy townread

[Kirari Momobami]

Titus have you ever felt like we were reading the same game? That's kinda an unusual comment for you given how rarely we agree

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: Sausage Rex

Actually don't mind this

[Kirari Momobami]

You all do realize that when she said her list was serious that was sarcasm right?

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: Golden Robster

[Kirari Momobami]

Cat Scratch Fever is scum

Why this one?

Seems no interest in dice rolling so VOTE: Black Ranger

[Kirari Momobami]

How did you know fate was one of my mains?

[Kirari Momobami]

Also really tho what don't you like about csf?

[Kirari Momobami]

I've read exactly 2 pages and no one is calling my predecessor obvtown.

The audacity.

Your predecessor never posted

[Kirari Momobami]

TrueSoulEnergy

@mod kindly update OP for replacements

did you forget that that is Titus? Or are you saying you're okay with Titus dying?

[Kirari Momobami]

I'd like to formally retract the request for a vig shot on GR-slot now that Alyssa has replaced it

[Kirari Momobami]

Vic shots on Eth0s-slot or Jackal711 still OK

[Kirari Momobami]

Egix96

disagree with this, OK with the majority of the rest of Nero's list

[Kirari Momobami]

Jesus this wagon is awful. Everything about it is awful. Norwegian why would you do this to me?

VOTE: Tictac

why does your dislike of BR wagon make you want to go for tictac lynchbait?

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: pisskop

who wants to lynch scum?

[Kirari Momobami]

a) claimed miller so don't need to worry about some bullshit claim later
b) I have never seen pisskop give this little shit about a game as town

[Kirari Momobami]

Well Kirarin, it’s a 50 player game darling. Might be why he doesn’t give too much of a shit yet.

as a claimed miller it's kinda an onus on him to maybe give enough of a shit to do literally anything townie though, like I feel like that would be a nice entry into the game since he could evaluate reactions and he literally did nothing with it?

[Kirari Momobami]

Just because you are a fucking shit mafia player

don't mind lynching this slot either if we want to swing there

[Kirari Momobami]

Why is tictac lynchbait and not just scum with awful trajectories, 0 accountability, and 0 attempt at sorting disguised as vanity voting?

I still don't think she pushes Titus immediately after the rep in as scum tbh

[Kirari Momobami]

Ehhh, Titus repped into the slot she was already pushing. I don't think that push is as alignment clearing as you're thinking it is. At best it's a non team interaction.

She consciously double-downed on a protective claim that had been replaced by one of the top posters on site

I mean sure, I haven't played with tictac scum that much but that's not like an 'obvious scum play' that justified the wagon she got in my book

[Kirari Momobami]

Titus is a shorter name than TSE's so is easier to vote.

eyy. coolio.
VOTE: Titus

to be clear: loud-foo not gonna exist in 50p game cause it's annoying to mod and mechanically too uninteresting to bother.
Also, it's easy as pie to claim roleblocked tomorrow, so why

not

claim it as scum.

Chemist read is also a read and not sarcasm (@dave, tho u used the word 'sarcasm' correctly! so concrats.)
Also never claimed i was trying to 'figure him out', so nyah at insomnia.

While 10 people will give 10 reasons why they voted tictac, my understanding is 90% of the wagon was built because tictac wrote this post

To be clear, her argument is terrible, I just don't think it fits a scum agenda

[Kirari Momobami]

Also this might be shitty argument but we only have the one miller claim right? In 50 player game?

Guess can't do much with it since like 3 slots still haven't been replaced but that feels inelegant

[Kirari Momobami]

but then fucking Krazy decided to fucking go "yeah insomnia is trash anyway, doesn't matter he pegged the full team in a PoE of 5 people, i don't even need to read his posts, he's a liability, lynch him" and I had to act like a village idiot again and then I was like well fuck.

Uh Krazy never once called you trash, he said he thought you were scum. Why do you take that as a personal insult and why are you dragging baggage from previous games into this one?

[Kirari Momobami]

While I like that pisskop is posting now I find it scummy that he'd start his catchup *from the very beginning of the game* shortly after I call him out for being very below average activity and never acknowledged me as though it wasn't obvious he was responding to my push indirectly

[Kirari Momobami]

Theoretically, exactly one player should have a total of 49 scumreads, so I'd say that's the upper limit :3

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: jackal

[Kirari Momobami]

Tell your boss the president told you not to go to work and then ask if she's a real patriot

[Kirari Momobami]

Titus thinking you die this game to anything other than a lynch is really wishful thinking

[Kirari Momobami]

RCE is town

[Kirari Momobami]

@Titus/@Nor: We are not moving away from BR because of his TPR claim. We are moving off him because he gave reads in a manner that looked more town-motivated than not when he thought he was already hammered.

PS it is a bad idea to say that you're not lynching a slot because it claimed tpr even if that's the reason

[Kirari Momobami]

im vigging elsa if they don't unvote me

if elsa unvotes u and u don't vig elsa then i'll vig u!

the ciiiirclle of viiiigs

[Kirari Momobami]

y wud i do that when i dun wanna lynch ya?

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm drunk off my ass but somehow I'm still not drunk enough for what's going down in this fucking thread LOL

[Kirari Momobami]

can we joke about the fact that the only guy with a black avi in the entire game nearly got lynched day 1 in a 50 player game or is it still too soon

[Kirari Momobami]

Mod links: Mathblade's Topic -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=75213

reminder note: replacement list coding should look like -- NicoRobin:jjh927,Taly:Creature
Deadlist should look like: Titus-2,CheekyTeeky-3,Furret und Woopers-5,Shiro-6,Pink Ball-7,Auro-8

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[Kirari Momobami]

Votecount 1.KM

Black Ranger(20)

~ Drixx(58), Amrun(58), gobbledygook(56), insomnia(190), Garmr(34), Titus(162), Rhinox(11), AaronFrost(71), Pink Ball(79), profii(50), Cat Scratch Fever(48), chkflip(19), NotAJumbleOfNumbers(10), Elsa Jay(85), Pine(5), Chemist1422(26), Psyche(78), DrDolittle(9), VaultDweller(4), Nero Cain(310)

tictac(7)

~ SausasaurusRex(5), Non lmh(4), Not Known 15(5), RCEnigma(17), Black Ranger(144), Hectic(104), clidd(45)

Jackal711(7)

~ Almost50(63), tictac(46), pisskop(25), Kirari Momobami(139), Alyssa The Lamb(63), NorwegianboyEE(78), davesaz(79)

SausasaurusRex(2)

~ The Fonz(61), Dolly Parton(12)

Titus(1)

~ Jackal711(1)

Rhinox(1)

~ BBmolla(67)

NorwegianboyEE(1)

~ Egix96(43)

insomnia(1)

~ Something_Smart(71)

Garmr(1)

~ bob3141(1)

Elsa Jay(1)

~ QuantumQuasar(1)

chkflip(1)

~ Creature(22)


Not Voting (7): UltimatePlank(0), Jamelia(7), EeveeLution Army(16), dsjstr(43), eth0s(3), ar98mubarik(0), Yiley(9)

With 50 alive it takes 26 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-03-21 15:03:51)

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[Kirari Momobami]

Day deadline I don't think is exact sorry was mostly just trying to get the counter working

[Kirari Momobami]

nerd

I love it when you talk like that :3

[Kirari Momobami]

tictac wagon looks stinky af LOL

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: Sasuage Rex

So let it be written, so let it be done

[Kirari Momobami]

less talky more votey

[Kirari Momobami]

If so you'll need to identify where because theoretically math's scrubber should have caught it and it at present shows the dayphase continuing

[Kirari Momobami]

Hectic how many people on the tictac wagon with you do you townread right now?

[Kirari Momobami]

Is Rex lynchbait or town? Why are you townreading him?

[Kirari Momobami]

Yeah Elsa is obviously sk not groupscum, duhhhh

[Kirari Momobami]

CSF is so scum

How much would you like to bet?

[Kirari Momobami]

:3

[Kirari Momobami]

"It is true I was not in my previous game" is quote of the day

[Kirari Momobami]

why are there posts that aren't votes for rex

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Votecount 1.KM 2

tictac(13)

~ SausasaurusRex(5), Non lmh(4), Not Known 15(5), RCEnigma(17), Black Ranger(144), Hectic(104), clidd(45), NorwegianboyEE(90), bob3141(46), Amrun(72), chkflip(44), DrDolittle(10), Titus(191)

Black Ranger(11)

~ Drixx(58), gobbledygook(56), Garmr(34), AaronFrost(71), Pink Ball(79), profii(50), NotAJumbleOfNumbers(10), Pine(5), Chemist1422(26), Psyche(78), VaultDweller(4)

SausasaurusRex(6)

~ The Fonz(61), Dolly Parton(12), Rhinox(16), Elsa Jay(116), Creature(31), Cat Scratch Fever(61)

Jackal711(5)

~ Almost50(63), pisskop(25), Alyssa The Lamb(63), davesaz(79), tictac(54)

Titus(1)

~ Jackal711(1)

Rhinox(1)

~ BBmolla(67)

Psyche(1)

~ Kirari Momobami(153)

NorwegianboyEE(1)

~ Egix96(43)

(1)

~ Nero Cain(317)

insomnia(1)

~ Something_Smart(71)

Elsa Jay(1)

~ QuantumQuasar(1)


Not Voting (8): UltimatePlank(0), Jamelia(7), insomnia(265), EeveeLution Army(16), dsjstr(43), eth0s(3), ar98mubarik(0), Yiley(9)

With 50 alive it takes 26 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-03-21 15:04:36)

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FLAVOR

[Kirari Momobami]

huh it didn't even count my vote right... come on math sausage rex should register 0.o

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: Black Ranger

#Wagons

[Kirari Momobami]

@mod will there be an extension if 10+ slots remain in prod range at deadline?

[Kirari Momobami]

No wonder this game is boring, nearly a third of the game is literally absent

[Kirari Momobami]

Yeah i'm also vig, deffos self resolving ez

VOTE: tic tok

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm the viggiest vig that ever vigged

[Kirari Momobami]

I have no idea

Maybe, maybe not

:3

[Kirari Momobami]

I keep falling asleep whenever it focuses on the forgemaster guy arc so I'm still real early in the season still

[Kirari Momobami]

That's right, we're lynching vigs, and remaining vigs are shooting Elsa

Agreed?

[Kirari Momobami]

Drixx was just a regular aids neighbor too.

ftfy :3

[Kirari Momobami]

Blue mafia why did you guys kill me? :c

someone thought you were a strong pr