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Those players that have not posted in-game yet have been prodded, and I am giving them 24 hours after the prod to post. After that I will be actively looking to replace them unless they notify me of their intention to remain in the game and be active.

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VOTE: clidd

I was actually going to guess that too

VOTE: clidd

Game state summary ?

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Nevermind, 61 pages.

I'll take a look at the last 10 ~ 20 eventually.

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VOTE: clidd

I was actually going to guess that too

VOTE: clidd

Game state summary ?

Game started with tons of votes on TSE. TSE then claims loud bodyguard, some people then argue his claim is scummy while other say his claim will self-resolve so there's no point lynching him. Then people start voting a bunch of people, the ones who got the most votes were Black Ranger and then eventually tictac took over. Black ranger was seen as scummy because of Drixx's case on him back in post 447. tictac is read as scummy mainly because of post 1205 and keeping up the push on Titus even though most people are unvoting the TSE/Titus wagon. (TSE was replaced).

Ok, thanks.

[clidd]

I need 24 hours to formalize my impressions and define which approach I will be taking in this game.

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I need 24 hours to formalize my impressions and define which approach I will be taking in this game.

I will need to extend this period. Too many things in my head at the same time.

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Noisy game, I can't think properly.

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The increase in the number of pages is greater than my reading pace.

I believe that my approach will be more observant today, at least until I can get into the rhythm of this match.

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By assimilation of acquaintances and familiar faces, I am inclined to seek guidance from Hectic, Norwegian, Pink Ball and Aaron.

Until I am able to engage autonomously in the game.

[clidd]

By assimilation of acquaintances and familiar faces, I am inclined to seek guidance from Hectic, Norwegian, Pink Ball and Aaron.

Until I am able to engage autonomously in the game.

clidd!

Remember that person I was talking about that started an unofficial fanclub about you? I have a message for you from them:

Spoiler:

Roses are red
Violets are blue
I like coffee
And clidd too

It's a heartfelt poem. If you'd like, I can pass on a poem of yours back to them.

Hum, I appreciated the poem.

Unfortunately, I have no aptitude for this kind of composition. But I would like you to send my sincere

"thank you"

back to them.

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The increase in the number of pages is greater than my reading pace.

I believe that my approach will be more observant today

, at least until I can get into the rhythm of this match.

Nice, I like your style. You could vote NotAJumbleOfNumbers with me.

Good, given his ISO, I have no opposition to that.

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

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Eh, I actually think for the size of game it's been both slow paced and relatively focused. We had a strong TSE wagon with some people doubting it, a couple of smallish counterwagons on BR and Tictac. After TSE got replaced a lot of the policy lynch energy dissipated and Tictac becomes top wagon, then there's a Sausa wagon that looks like it's going the distance then (imho wrongly) loses a lot of votes with his claim, while not disappearing. Now BR, who's kind of been a candidate all day but never leading has his moment in the spotlight. There are relatively few vanity wagons or secondary tunnelfeuds going on.

Anyone who is having trouble getting going can just start by saying if they like the BR wagon or not.

I have seen TSE claiming mason as scum in one game, as well as I have seen similar postures in his other games as town. Considering the number of players here, I believe that town!TSE would be more inclined to try to impact the game with some type of gambit, to draw attention (because he likes it, even if he doesn't admit it). Scum!TSE would have withdraw more, showing a resolute stance but without any claim that would theoretically harm his team.

In any case, I am inclined to think that what was seen was the town!TSE, but this is my personal view.

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I do not have an opinion on the other wagons mentioned yet.

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I suggest you open your mind a little. If you consider the point of Scum!TSE = Scum!Titus as something immutable, all your next reads will be affected by this.

[clidd]

I do not have an opinion on the other wagons mentioned yet.

Cool. Like I said I'd suggest focusing on BR because he's currently leading.

Ok, I will think about it later.

[clidd]

The increase in the number of pages is greater than my reading pace.

I believe that my approach will be more observant today

, at least until I can get into the rhythm of this match.

Nice, I like your style. You could vote NotAJumbleOfNumbers with me.

Good, given his ISO, I have no opposition to that.

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

Wasted vote. Join the leading wagon. It’s Black Ranger.

Hum, I'll be thinking about it.

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@clidd I'd recommend reading Nero and The Fonz's ISOs. They are like antagonists in this game so you'll get interesting takes

Good suggestion, I like to read oppositions.

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He is bad because he is getting wagoned. And scum needs to be wagoned to get lynched. Ergo, Black Ranger is scum.

Your premise implies that he is scum for having more than one vote on him. Could you clarify the real reasons why you think he is scum ?

I understand that you are getting frustrated by the dispersion of votes, especially due to the excess of pages, but I would like to understand your case on him.

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Seriously guys, please start consolidating. It is now obvious we're getting nothing from any extended discussion. People just keep hopping between wagons for no reason (at least none declared) and many are just either sheeping someone else or assigning their vote to the top wagon. The only thing left is for us to actually lynch someone and then see who voted them and why (if they ever state a reason, which is unlikely) based on the flip.

Extending the day now hurts us even more, because a crunch-time lynch is the perfect alibi for scum to be voting and deny responsibility. "It was either that or no lynch". Well, at least now we can ask them why they picked between the 3-5 lynch candidates, as in "Why did you vote X when you could have voted Y or Z?" when we have X, Y & Z flipped later into the game.

Yes, I agree with you. Particularly, I feel myself playing in the dark with the absence of information. I just need to understand a few things before collaborating with the main lynch, considering that I don't intend to extend much this day and fatigue the players even more.

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I have the impression that he would have claimed by the moment he felt that the wagon had grown a lot, to avoid wasting time and directing the lynch to another player.

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Hum.

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If you all think I'm going to be reading the whole game then you got another thing coming

VOTE: Jamelia

Nero Cain town
Black Ranger town
RCEnigma town
Jamelia scum

I can understand the logical sequence of your TRs, but I am curious about how you selected Jamelia among the inactive players.

I suppose you observed the ISO of the players who had not voted, correct ?

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Clidd what is your opinion on the Black Ranger wagon? Do you think it's justified?

I believe his wagon climbed moderately fast, but without a strong reaction from him about it. Looking at the recent posts, I believe that his reads do not come from a scum mentality, but his posture of revealing material that could be exposed before is doubtful. In particular, I believe he could be better evaluated tomorrow, assuming he is not lynched today.

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If you all think I'm going to be reading the whole game then you got another thing coming

VOTE: Jamelia

Nero Cain town
Black Ranger town
RCEnigma town
Jamelia scum

I can understand the logical sequence of your TRs, but I am curious about how you selected Jamelia among the inactive players.

I suppose you observed the ISO of the players who had not voted, correct ?

Nah

Honestly I probably chose jamelia first because they were someone I had to read the games of a couple months back

I see.

[clidd]

How about we just lynch Black Ranger. And if he’s town we look at the scummiest wagon joins. If he’s scum, woo we got scum.
Either way we gain some information, and that’s much better than going on with a 50 player council of bickering. We’d also see if wagon redirects were scum motivated or not.
Anyway, just consider it.
I’ll hammer if the wagon get’s to L-1.

Im thinking.

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I think he's going to flip town. Don't we have enough days to pick another wagon?

Can people ISO NotAJumbleOfNumbers? He has like 8 posts.

Yes, that's my problem with B.R getting lynched. I have the same impression.

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I believe there was a general fatigue close to 100 pages. The tendency is for people to become more frustrated and tired with the dispersion of votes.

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I believe there was a general fatigue close to 100 pages. The tendency is for people to become more frustrated and tired with the dispersion of votes.

I mean people could always choose to

not

disperse the votes.
2 wagons is not dispersion of votes. 4 is.

There is no reason why 50p game

must

be tiring and high effort. Not every case must be a 3 page dissertation of some minute detail or a pattern of meta from multiple games.
There's a perfectly good counterwagon for Ranger and that's Jackal at the mo.

Aspersions of quoted "Heroism" are thrown yet there are nine slots not voting anything rn. Maybe that's a drag we are more familiar with, but it's no less deserving of ire.

In the end however, the defeatism is pointless. In time, the deadline will come, and with it will come deadline-pressure.

Something

will be lynched this day. Would I like the day to end sooner? sure. do I think trying to get a non-ranger lynch is pointless? no.

This is surprisingly sincere.

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I'm surprised how similar our reads are, Hectic.

VOTE: Jackal711

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If I'm not mistaken, there is a theory regarding that player's slot.

He only has 1 post and received no prod and was not mentioned for replacement.

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Precisely.

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Precisely.

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I thought about the VLA scenario, but it wouldn't justify the time jump from post 213 to 2975.

Not to mention that it was not publicly announced.

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Hum.

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Official Vote Count

1.06

TrueSoulEnergy

(10): tictac,

Jackal711

, Pink Ball, Cat Scratch Fever, profii, Hectic, Uncrowned, Yiley, VaultDweller, Dolly Parton

Black Ranger

(5): The Fonz, Almost50, NorwegianboyEE, AaronFrost, Elsa Jay

tictac

(4): insomnia, Rhinox, Black Ranger, Not Known 15

Kirari Momobami

(2): Drixx, kagesong

Garmr

(1): bob3141

davesaz

(1): Kirari Momobami

Dolly Parton

(1): gobbledygook

Something_Smart

(1): DrDolittle

profii

(1): Nero Cain

Hectic

(1): Egix96

BBMolla

(1): Garmr

Elsa Jay

(1): TrueSoulEnergy

Not Voting

(21): SausasaurusRex, Pine, Jamelia, hersho, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, clidd, davesaz, UltimatePlank, Golden Robster, Amrun, Chemist1422, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, dsjstr, EeveeLution Army, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, Something_Smart, eth0s, Non Imh, Emperor FlippyNips

With 50 alive, it takes 26 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-03-22 10:04:00)

Official Vote Count

1.07

Titus

(10):

Jackal711

, Pink Ball, Cat Scratch Fever, profii, Hectic, Uncrowned, Yiley, VaultDweller, Dolly Parton, tictac

tictac

(9): insomnia, Rhinox, Black Ranger, Titus, AaronFrost, Amrun, Not Known 15, gobbledygook, NorwegianboyEE

profii

(3): Nero Cain, Kirari Momobami, Egix96

Black Ranger

(3): The Fonz, Almost50, Elsa Jay

Kirari Momobami

(2): Drixx, kagesong

Garmr

(1): bob3141

Something_Smart

(1): DrDolittle

BBMolla

(1): Garmr

Not Voting

(20): NotAJumbleOfNumbers, clidd, UltimatePlank, SausasaurusRex, Non Imh, davesaz, dsjstr, Chemist1422, Pine, Something_Smart, eth0s, EeveeLution Army, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, Jamelia, Golden Robster, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, hersho, Emperor FlippyNips

With 50 alive, it takes 26 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-03-22 10:04:00)

When he transitioned all votes from TSE to Titus, he had eye contact with Jackal's name because it was moved.

Considering that there was a mod error before, wouldn't he be able to notice the existence of this slot at that moment ?

[clidd]

1) It’s a god damn 50 player game
2) Wake already said he’s not making the VCs up, he has a program, he just copy pastes the result of it. It’s literally in the OP.

2) Thanks, I didn't notice.

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Jackal's conditions remain extraordinary. I don't understand how you switched your vote so quickly, Hectic.

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Based on the previous post by Tictac, there are interesting levels of sincerity. I don't see a scum demonstrating it.

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Stop crapping on your slot.

So you have him as lock-scum ?

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If I'm not mistaken, there is a theory regarding that player's slot.

He only has 1 post and received no prod and was not mentioned for replacement.

Oh, so the theory is he was posting in the scum PT and so didn't need a prod/replacement. Wierd.

Precisely.

It would be a critical thinking failure to not factor in the public information of Nero's hood and the fact that, you know, Jackal is a member of it. Did KM/Nero ever answer whether Jackal posted there? If anyone cares about the Jackal lynch this is the clincher you should go for, but then the question is

WHY DO I CARE ABOUT YOUR LYNCH MORE THAN YOU

. Which is the definition of a shit wagon.

I would like you to reformulate this post, I didn't understand it.

[clidd]

Stop crapping on your slot.

So you have him as lock-scum ?

Compare 2961 to 2748 and 2982.

That's his lynch worth fighting for.

Don't call it a good post. It's a post made to run the town off a cliff.

Ok, I got your vision.

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Jackal's conditions remain extraordinary. I don't understand how you switched your vote so quickly, Hectic.

Tbh, I voted him before ISOing him because he was the next biggest wagon. He's like the worst possible lynch in the game for info, so I'd really rather not.

I thought you saw his ISO. So it was only due to the numerical factor that our reads met.

[clidd]

I would like you to reformulate this post, I didn't understand it.

1. The assumption is that Jackal hasn't been replaced because he's posting in a scum PT
2. Jackal is a member of Nero's neighbourhood. Public knowledge ~post 1200 or so.
3. KM/Nero have yet to verify whether Jackal has posted in the hood.
4. You could assume based on KM's vote that Jackal hasn't, but Nero has been bearish on the wagon, so anyone wanting Jackal based on this should want more information.
5. If I have to constantly bring up the necessity of this extra information or how the people making the original case did not care enough about the game to know that Jackal was in a hood the conclusion is that the wagon is being pushed for bad reasons.

Ok, I understood now. It seems that my theoretical motivation is not as plausible as I thought. I have some difficulties in fully understanding the logic of hoods, especially with more than 3 players.

Just one more question: are you sure about lynching tictac ? I have the impression that he will flip town.

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his reads suck, was forced into claiming his chemist read isn't a meme one. he voted chemist for something that wasn't scummy. it was a reason to vote, not something insightful about the slot. the double down proves he was trying to be serious.

see:

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

jumble come back pls

UNVOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

jumble if you're around let's talk

hi i'm around

why are you only interacting with stuff directly relating to you

I find this portion of Chemist ISO hilarious.

VOTE: Chemist1422

So I wonder if there are scum in the naked vote sheeple?

Is this a real question? I'd be real surprised if all the scumz were among the active growd.
How ya feel about lynching chemist?
dude has meta for getting paralyed as scum, and the little content that he does have is scummy.
I mean if we just wanna get

something

to the noose, then sure, let's listen to a second-hand report from drizz, it's not like the most horrible of all options.
if we wanna lynch scum however, we should:
VOTE: Chemist1422

He posted nothing between these posts. Common thread: he was in the middle of getting wagoned in the first one. By the second post people were consolidating on me (from like, 3 to 20 votes in the past half dozen pages), but he was still seen as viable as seen by the NK15 vote earlier on the same page. Tictac later proceeded to blank vote nk15, chemist again, jackal and myself. Seems survivalistic in that he didn't want to put himself out there to vote me even though he obviously wanted to, but once everyone else piled on for bad reasons he felt safe to join the fun.

On second thought, assuming that the peculiarity with Jackal's slot was an error of the mod, his scenario would be scum afk, so his team would request an immediate replacement. The odds indicate that he is a solo role, possibly VT, considering that no one has previously bothered to warn the mod. It also dissolves my theory of he being scum in a traditional way.

UNVOTE: Jackal711

I agree with your reasoning about his (Tictac) sporadic votes with a potentially biased intention, just as I see that your assimilation of this information is part of a genuine process, with a resolutive content. However, just as I noticed that you were town using impressions initially, I fear that Tictac's sequence of errors may be unintentional, but a different "style". Evidently, the strength of the read that I have on you, and partially on Hectic, is suggestively enough for me to collaborate with my vote, even though I do not fully share the same view.

That said:

VOTE: Tictac

[clidd]

1) It’s a god damn 50 player game
2) Wake already said he’s not making the VCs up, he has a program, he just copy pastes the result of it. It’s literally in the OP.

That program reminds him who hasn't posted each time he runs it.

Wait, is that real ?

[clidd]

Mod links: Mathblade's Topic -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=75213

reminder note: replacement list coding should look like -- NicoRobin:jjh927,Taly:Creature
Deadlist should look like: Titus-2,CheekyTeeky-3,Furret und Woopers-5,Shiro-6,Pink Ball-7,Auro-8

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[clidd]

I admire my inability to understand this. I'm not from the area.

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VOTE: Sasuage Rex

So let it be written, so let it be done

VOTE: SausasaurusRex

naked vote gang

VOTE: SausasaurusRex

VOTE: SausasaurusRex

lol

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VOTE: Tictac

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Hum.

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Clidd, when you say that. Are you about to singlehandedly drop an gamebreaking post that catches 6 scum. And you prepare us for the impact. Or are you just clearing your throat? I can’t tell the difference.

Just clearing my throat.

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Suggestive.

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VOTE: ar98mubarik

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Pure moral cowardice, and the last one self-serving.

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I feel that I underestimated PB in our last game, considering that his reads were good. Sheeping too.

VOTE: Creature

[clidd]

being scum read isn't a toxic action, it's literally how you play the game. It seems like everyone is just super sensitive these days.

I didn't have a vendetta on y b4 but I might now.

It depends, sometimes is frustrating to be a scumread if you have the conviction that you are playing well as town. Personally, TSE / Titus were towns to me, just as you were. But this tunnel somewhat hampered the game's progress.