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[Black Ranger]

That's a trendier wagon than pelotons

VOTE: Garmr

This is the lazy man's vote. GET IN.

[Black Ranger]

SS always gets lynched for some dumbass reason especially if scum. He'll make his alignment more clear because it's going to be hard to lolhammer him in a game like this.

[Black Ranger]

I feel like you shouldn't have a problem with that statement A50.

[Black Ranger]

a50 is very evil.

[Black Ranger]

Oh trust me, scum make weird desicions sometimes. Usually unexperienced scum, but it's still prone to happen.

Why haven't you fakeclaimed anything yet? Who is/are your PT partner(s)? And -most importantly- WHO IS THE RENEGADE??

They just said they didn't want to crumb bro

[Black Ranger]

So?? Fakeclaiming and crumbing your true role are two totally different things.

Is Elsa capable of doing either of these?

[Black Ranger]

Oh boy this is gonna be a game. Of mafia. That we are gonna play.

I'm sure a lot of people won't.

[Black Ranger]

What's your impression of Elsa's alignment so far A50?

[Black Ranger]

Few things-

There's a hood. Drixx has accused me of being scum in it. You're reading his POV. I'm not sure if he's really operating off some tell of "helpfulness" or being plainly malicious by deliberately pissing me off and never walking it back. He's very much

not shy

right now and my experience with scum!Drixx is more of a lurksack reads machine. My reaction was "vote me fucker" which is apparently terrible and I'm 100% still of that opinion if he's going to copy and paste a read of mine and call me unoriginal {Redacted} doesn't want to out yet, but I'm pretty sure their unwillingness to corroborate at the moment will be passed onto the main thread eventually.

Nero, what did you mean by "... are you willing to PL TSE by day 3 if he's still alive"? Are we incapable of playing without a flip on TSE or do you want him to self resolve?

[Black Ranger]

Okay. So I was going to vote BR. I'm with Drixx on that, but the hood situation has changed slightly, so I'm waiting to see what happens there. I do however want to see more pressure here.

VOTE: Kirari Momobami

Just to clarify, this was me noting that I'm in the hood with Drixx. APPARENTLY, that wasn't clear, and I was "refusing to corroborate". Either that or 'somebody' is trying to build a very thin layer of scumminess on me.

You said in the hood that you didn't want to. Don't get snippy with me when you know I'm behind in the game thread.

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: Tictac

Don't like his reads on A50 or Drixx. Make clear what reads of yours are meme reads and which ones are real.

[Black Ranger]

I mean you're scum too

[Black Ranger]

The hood does not have a list of people with access to it. It actually says the opposite.

[Black Ranger]

The hood does not have a list of people with access to it. It actually says the opposite.

Please confirm you're saying the hood specifically says you don't know who all has access?

There's no player list in the header post and the flavor (like three sentences) implies you can choose not to post in the thread.

[Black Ranger]

I mean it's wake so I assumed it was a feature not a bug. I'm not about to ask him for a list.

[Black Ranger]

Tictac

Just to confirm, your read on chemist is a serious one? Can you explain it? Also, do you have history (the negative kind, not meta) with A50?

[Black Ranger]

Non-randomized 6-Man Masonry:

Spoiler:

Elsa Jay, tictac, Insomnia, Golden Robster, Pink Ball

Now let's see how well the wheel does!

The Mafia

Spoiler:

DrDolittle
Egix96
Pine
bob3141
TrueSoulEnergy
gobbledygook

The Werewolves

Spoiler:

Chemist1422
Almost50
pisskop
EeveeLution Army
Hectic
Drixx

The Serial Killer

Spoiler:

hersho

The non-mason townies

Spoiler:

Jamelia
VaultDweller
dsjstr
Yiley
Amrun
The Fonz
NotAJumbleOfNumbers
UltimatePlank
clidd
Dolly Parton
Non Imh
Uncrowned
Rhinox
QuantumQuasar
kagesong
davesaz
Black Ranger
profii
Jackal711
NorwegianboyEE
Something_Smart
BBMolla
Not Known 15
AaronFrost
Cat Scratch Fever
eth0s
Nero Cain
Garmr
Emperor FlippyNips
ar98mubarik
SausasaurusRex

Who wants to put odds/bets on the number of correct WHEEL rolls in each category?

how do you know the other scum faction are werewolves ?

[Black Ranger]

QFLOAR

Quoted for lack of a response

[Black Ranger]

Tictac

Just to confirm, your read on chemist is a serious one? Can you explain it? Also, do you have history (the negative kind, not meta) with A50?

Is this meant to be a vote on tictac? Or just bolded to get his attention?

I'm on tictac already. It's bolded so they see it, because I've already asked & it seems like they were responding to somebody else when I got an "answer" to begin with.

[Black Ranger]

If I'm opportunistic it's because I'm vanitying in the hood rather than the game thread. I'm trying not to shit up the game thread. The hood is my control group. If something picks up, I'll let you know.

I'd like to get into Garmr more and maybe there'd be more consensus on this, but really only Drixx picked up on what I did and Drixx is doing his own thing right now.

[Black Ranger]

scum team 1

insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
profii
Egix96

scum team 2

Garmr

scum on someones team

SausasaurusRex
Black Ranger

so lets save the mod a replace and lynch a scummy slot with a useless role?

first post is LAMIST and the 2nd post is incriminating, in the context of following the first. Just quoting so i can find it later

I can't make sense of this shit. Is 333 the first or is 331 the first?

[Black Ranger]

I'm fuckin blind

[Black Ranger]

I would also lynch Elsa Jay, bob, or NK15 today

These are some hot takes. Clue me in?

[Black Ranger]

BR since you are here can you update me about what has been going on in the hood?

I'd like to hear from your side

Well I'm the top poster in it... Mainly out of necessity of contributing something to the game. Questions have been asked from multiple parties and nobody has been around recently to answer.

Don't feel like going into what I said about Nero.

At this point the game thread is more interesting than our hood.

[Black Ranger]

Drixx do you see a possible faction in Nero tictac and Black Ranger KM? Do you see any of the four being linked as one faction or is that too convenient? They could defend each other solely because they are useful and I could just be annoyed.

It would be monumentally bad play.

BR and Nero can be linked but that's more because BR felt the best thing he could do with his time was give a really weird defense of NC's playstyle.

I'd like to hear more from BR about this, hard to get the full story when only hearing from one persons perspective.

Considering this is attempt 2 to ask I think by the second one you should be voting me.. or anyone for that matter.

I'll stop being cute: I defended something I thought I saw out of Nero when he said the exact opposite. I recinded my defense and called it scummy, still did not like his response to my question (interestingly Amrun said the same thing later on), felt his profii pitch fell flat and was unspirited and that his pressure ob Amrun was more promising.

So basically Drixx told the truth in a roundabout way and I'm too apathetic to strike it down, but I'll assume good faith on your part and give a non asshole answer even if I don't understand anything you are doing in this game

[Black Ranger]

I half feel like Drixx was trying to feel me out and half kicking me in the teeth when he first came in. He definitely managed to stop me from getting REDACTED to vote Garmr at least though he himself recognized it was a good vote. Just in general it was very disruptive with no real other motive.

Oh and it was corroborated in the hood that the playerlist appeared bout 24 hours or whatever after the game started (and when I made that comment in the hood about hidden scum).

No idea who would be scum in the hood.

[Black Ranger]

We kind of already heard about the Nero thing which was why I wanted to hear from your perspective. I am more interested in the hood than in the thread, I think it is safe to assume there is at least 1 scum in there.

Second pass: this is a strange comment to make if you yourself are not in a hood.

Show your hall pass.

[Black Ranger]

Are you in a neighbourhood?

[Black Ranger]

CSF, what was your reason for suspecting NK15?

[Black Ranger]

I was thinking you were KTS but KTS has siteflaked. Nice rap tho.

[Black Ranger]

QuantumQuasar are you Macabre?

[Black Ranger]

Posting in the thread is the right way to play. If you post in the hood, you will be accused of using the hood for some nefarious purpose even though any/all content can be reposted to the main thread for people to give opinions on,

if it's that big of a deal

.

[Black Ranger]

I'm just great at pocketing people in reverse

[Black Ranger]

Do you want to play a game?

[Black Ranger]

Saying Elsa is scumsiding this game isn't an amazing pov, you have to prove that their behavior is primarily scum driven rather than being parallel to a scum agenda.

VOTE: Cat scratch fever

[Black Ranger]

I'm actually a great information lynch due to how much of a shit show the hood is. I'll drop some reads.

[Black Ranger]

Garmr

First hit my radar when he copied SS in RVS and leaned into it the second time around. Also, I really, really like RVS reads.

SK here, killing the first person to post each day. Sorry Norweiganboy.

I'm also a SK so i'll VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

Actual wolfy vote

Nah I am cult leader and making you join tonight. Curious why your still on The through.

I called it the lazy man's vote because I wanted to see reactions. I gave my reasoning regarding lolcatting in the hood. Attempts to push it was derailed by Drixx even though he called it a good vote.

So this is the post that stood out to me after a skim

snip

This just seems like a massive misrep it's obvious tse means atleast 1 scum on the wagon. Appear to try and sort tse but in reality do nothing to sort his alignment. I'm leaning more to scum than actual town with a bad take because of the way he also uses the post to suck up to nero and the way his telling TSE to not scum hunt off his wagon.

If you want to help town, look elsewhere, except if you genuinely DO have helpful role info.

This post to means nero isn't scum buddies with the fonz so we can eliminate him from each others scum team.

VOTE: The fonz

Feel free to read Fonz' 251 and tell me if it's a misrep. It isn't.

Btw just putting this here for my convenience.

Players that can not be on a scum team with nero.

TSE
The fonz.
Egix
Profii
Hectic.

He is at this point POEing people from being scum with Nero, but is still voting Fonz. It's basically shitting on the thread and I don't think any of this makes him more likely to be scum with any of the players listed. Garmr is just scum in general by virtue of doing everything a townie wouldn't do.

Also bob going to add this isn't a normal game in a sense. There's enough scum for scum to hunt opposing scum. So they wouldn't have to fake scum hunting and all the thought process's that go with it. So I doubt any scum this game will fake scum or act differently to their town self when it comes to hunting till an entire team is eliminated. The oddities will come to interactions between certain people.

In a way I fucking hate all of you right now. I try to actually scum hunt and post to keep discussion and content up and I get scum read because of it. I'm not even in a lynchable position at the momment I'm just ticked i'm not being taken seriously.


Hasn't anyone noticed that the popular opinion is to go yeah garmr scum. But a majority of them have no reasoning or the reasoning is out of place. It makes me think if scum are unsure if i'm actually scum or town but want to keep me in a as a possibility despite the lack of real reasoning.

It's pretty fucking obvious that Garmr is scum.

[Black Ranger]

Tictac

He never really cared about the TSE lynch to the point of voting Titus on her replace in. He talked down a policy lynch and proceeded to do... Absolutely nothing to get information.

His reads suck.

I didn't suggest info lynching? I suggested just playing the game normally, which is probably going to result in a scramble to find a wagon amenable to 26 people and the result is probably going to be a pretty bad lynch... but the events that led to it will still be more useful than a policy lynch.

As of this post, I agree with this position. I'm clearly behind. Taking notes, etc.

I didn't suggest info lynching? I suggested just playing the game normally, which is probably going to result in a scramble to find a wagon amenable to 26 people and the result is probably going to be a pretty bad lynch... but the events that led to it will still be more useful than a policy lynch.

Going to agree with this too.

ŵould lynch these, Egix or SS and be happy.
would lynch A50, and do a little dance, always.

would lynch, and go 'meh' if ya flip town: maybe not

all

of the rest of yall?

A50 at this point was a bad choice and really only makes sense if you push him... Which he didn't do. I explained my reason for why the A50 read was bad in the hood: A50 literally runs off a scoring sheet to find scum. If you squint at A50's posts now, you'll see it doesn't look like he's doing anything like his usual townplay. So, this read would be a good one if he actually pushed it, but he didn't, and would actually be justified in suspecting him right now.

but there are plenty of town that post reasonless read list. Mastina for instance.

and not gonna lie, I'm still a bit salty.

What do u think of profii?

Go look at the lists KM posted. See if you can spot WHY I pushed them to explain.

At this point their follow up posts trying to dodge explaining are actually far more damning than the problem with the supposed reads.

I've got about 45 minutes till I have to go to work. I'll try and do another pass specifically on profii and see what I see.

Drix would be a goood lunch also.

Drixx's push onto KM wasn't bad, but Drixx was focused on the idea that KM was actually scum hunting with their post rather than attacking someone making shit posts. I brought it up in the hood that I wasn't convinced that was what KM was doing (the scumhunting that is). At the time, the game thread didn't understand that KM wasn't Drixx's best push (he still wanted me). Therefore tictac not attacking the substance of Drixx's push on KM was really weird. There was nothing like, "nah, KM checks out this is bullshit." in there. Lazy read.

Chemist read is also a read and not sarcasm (@dave, tho u used the word 'sarcasm' correctly! so concrats.)

The thing with tictac pointing out Wake's meta felt weird to me, generally weird = scummy. Wake, who is modding the game btw not playing it, is someone who is known to say "I hate Day 1" and then proceeds to lurk for the entire day. Hectic's doing the same thing here, the difference being that Hectic is actually playing the game whereas if he wanted to imitate Wake's playstyle he would just continue to lurk, which he's not. There's no correlation between their play here.

alas, for all my affectations of intellectual superiority i have sadly yet to unlock the elusive secrets of acausal mafia-playing. It is therefore tragically always the case that every single post of mine must be based on those posts that come

earlier

in the cosmic order and

not

on those posts that arrive

later

.

Also, why does the specific focus on 'Wake' matter, since you agree that Hectic was obviously memeing in 862?

Town hunts is overestimating town, especially on D1, especially on a 50p game. Look how people reacts to posts thinking "gotcha" (

tictac's post about Titus

, you talking about Aaron)

ouch.

also, i can see it's not gonna happen today, so.

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

jumble come back pls

UNVOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

jumble if you're around let's talk

hi i'm around

why are you only interacting with stuff directly relating to you

I find this portion of Chemist ISO hilarious.

VOTE: Chemist1422

So I wonder if there are scum in the naked vote sheeple?

Is this a real question? I'd be real surprised if all the scumz were among the active growd.
How ya feel about lynching chemist?
dude has meta for getting paralyed as scum, and the little content that he does have is scummy.
I mean if we just wanna get

something

to the noose, then sure, let's listen to a second-hand report from drizz, it's not like the most horrible of all options.
if we wanna lynch scum however, we should:
VOTE: Chemist1422

I called this chemist read an asspull in the hood. I'm just going to recycle the reasoning because it was pretty poetic n shit. He basically accused chemist of snorting boogers in his sleep and voted him for being a booger eater. Not once did he really point out something scummy here. It's just an excuse to justify a read that was an obvious shit meme read that was challenged twice over (once by Pink Ball and twice over from myself). Yes I'm suggesting he took a read that wasn't real and tried to make it into a real read. It's just pure shitplay.

NK15 is a shit vote for reasons I'll drop later.

[Black Ranger]

Sorry, I was gone for a little while. I had thought the reasoning for my vote was obvious, but it appears not. Whilst I am certainly not newbie scum, I am newbie large. I have never before played in a game with over 13 people, and I'm finding it very hard to keep track. I'm struggling with keeping track of everything everyone's saying, but what I can do is have townreads. Whilst I might not be insightful enough to draw my own conclusions, (at least at this stage, once we get more information I promise I'm better), I felt that I could have certain townreads that I trust. They are yet to do anything I have seen as scummy, and so I trust them to put their vote in the right place. Therefore, I followed their conclusions and voted as they did. Please note that this is not sheeping. Sheeping is voting the wagon with the most votes. What I am doing is voting the person that my townreads vote, and also making sure their reasoning doesn't seem illogical before I do so.
Now, about what TheFonz said about me being scum. TheFonz has never before played with me, and so I don't blame him for his lack of knowledge about me. But no matter my alignment, I am always self-conscious. Put it this way: I know that I am definitely town. It is impossible for me to be wrong about this. Therefore, if I get myself lynched, I am helping the anti-town aligned players. Therefore, I should try my hardest not to seem scummy, as that helps me not get lynched. I know this holds for any alignment, but, if you wish, you can look at my meta to see I am always like this.
When I said that Tictac is the person to vote now, that was because new information may arise. It may turn out that Tictac is town, in which case Tictac was not the right lynch. But currently, unless someone does somethig stupid, I will vote Tictac.
TheFonz also says that I seem unused to being scum. However, I argue that, were I scum,

I would have had 5 others to help me.

If I were the player that is aligned with only himself (I don't know what alignment this is called, so I'm going to refer to it as the one-man), then I would certainly have remained quieter. There was no reason for one-man me to vote someone, as I don't care who is lynched, provided it is not me. I would have simply asked questions and appeared to be thinking about it, whilst I waited for everyone else to lynch themselves.

I mentioned that Saus was on my shit list for this comment. NK15 picked up on the "vote somebody for doing something stupid" comment. I brought this one up in the hood because it assumed that 5 people would be available in the scum pt to help (so minus lurkers, people that didn't care to help, or a traitor.) They never contributed anything to the game besides this, the outing of the second hood, and the tracker claim. Pretty lackluster performance. Lesser scumread.

[Black Ranger]

I'm still town on tictac, so not voting there. I'm down to try this on for a size though

VOTE: SausasaurusRex

I would also lynch Elsa Jay, bob, or NK15 today

These are some hot takes. Clue me in?

Reminder that NK15 started the Saus wagon and this guy never commented on their NK15 read. Elsa could be scum but lazy reads like this piss me off.

I would also lynch Elsa Jay, bob, or NK15 today

I agree on NK15, but why for the first two?

Elsa - 841 is a bad post. There were already discussions around Black Ranger and his contributions in his hood, yet she votes Black Ranger for lying about having a list of people in the hood? Why would scum lie about something so easily corroborated/refuted by their hoodmates and what would even be the motive for lying about something like that.

bob - For someone who's written a lot of text, none of the content seems to come from someone reading the game at more than a very shallow level, and I get the general vibe that he's posting for the sake of it. And then there's 397 that's basically a load of waffle and was written only after I asked him about his read on TSE twice. 2002 is like the best content he's put forth to date, but I'm confused why he's only commenting on it now.

No kidding. I think more than one person called out how bizarre it would be to call me out for something that could be immediately counterclaimed by a hood member. I hate to say "it's so bad that it's good," it's more like "it's so bad that if this is the best you have it basically shows that you don't care about the read". Also, NK15 where?

CSF, what was your reason for suspecting NK15?

[Black Ranger]

I didn't like how Nero was focusing on profii when Amrun was trying to hang herself with this two way tunnel

Somebody in the hood said they would going to figure out their read on Amrun and I prompted them to give their opinion on this set of posts.

It’s probably as good a flip as any but my spidery senses don’t give me good vibes.

Nero’s description sounded like “why TSE deserves to be voted” vs “why TSE is scum.”

If TSE is town, I’m turning sights on Nero.

i've voting profii. join me :/

Interesting. Why? Do you think TSE is town?

it almost sounds like Amrun wants us to stay on the TSE wagon so a lynch doesn't swing elsewhere.

Given my choice, I’d currently lynch you over TSE. But realistically, TSE probably shouldn’t go to endgame and it’s a great place to votepark while I find my bearings. I have absolutely no problem with that.

I feel like there's a lot of ways you could read this: Amrun trying to chain a lynch onto Nero. Amrun trying to anti associative Nero. Hot take: Amrun trying to gross people out from the TSE wagon. The 1014, "Do you think TSE is town?" comment is especially jarring because it isn't suggesting that he wasn't, but instead trying to affirm Nero's tunnel onto profii. But, you can come up with your own theories.

[Black Ranger]

alyssa you can't see the behind the curtains talk. my man BR is rather suspicious.

you literally scumslipped in the hood and haven't come back after i told you to get serious

plus this "drixx and br are teammates pretending the other is an sk" theory of yours is really fucking weird considering i'm not fully sure i scumread drixx and i've been trying to help the snake along with his inarticulate ass reads.

[Black Ranger]

"No, BR, my point is,

scum factions aren’t aware of having traitors

, so how come you even asked that question?"

huh

[Black Ranger]

@everyone else
Black ranger is only hunting 1 scum team. You can see that his under the assumption I scum read nero (which I didn't) and still had my vote on the fonz. It didn't come into consideration that town is hunting 2 teams. This comes from his unconscious Bias of being scum and only having to hunt 1. He even tries to use me explaining to bob that scum is hunting as well to throw shade on me. He refused to claim it obvious this slot is scum.

or i think your continued pattern of poeing people from nero is scummy as fuck because it only gives the appearance of performing work

[Black Ranger]

We kind of already heard about the Nero thing which was why I wanted to hear from your perspective. I am more interested in the hood than in the thread, I think it is safe to assume there is at least 1 scum in there.

I was behind in the thread and didn't realize that he's directly asked me twice and shaded Drixx's reasoning to vote me already. I felt like when I literally told him to get stuffed (around the time I said "I'm okay being lynchbait" in the hood) I deserved his vote. Y'know, like how CSF refuses to answer anything or how I had to move heaven and earth to get tictac to explain his chemist read and how he never bothered to address me because he was so stressed out about being challenged over it.

We got this gem afterwards in the discussion:

We kind of already heard about the Nero thing which was why I wanted to hear from your perspective. I am more interested in the hood than in the thread, I think it is safe to assume there is at least 1 scum in there.

Are you in a neighbourhood?

No

This is a weird comment to make if our hood was a small one. It contained

8 players

. From my knowledge of my hood, I can guess that Elsa/Saus' hood has

8 players

. Players in a hood having an idea of how big the hoods are would not be strange at all.

With that said

, the original comment makes MUCH more sense if you know the hood is highly populated. Just by the nature of the game you can imagine there's a gimmick

somewhere

, and scum neighbour is a likely one. Dsj shouldn't have been able to make such a good suggestion, because who is to say we don't have a hood of 3 or 4 people? It was a complete shit stirring post.

[Black Ranger]

Forgot to say that if Dsj were to flip scum, he has a partner in my hood. It smelled like a leak.

[Black Ranger]

who's in that neighborhood again?

Afaik this is public:

Black Ranger
Drixx
Insomnia
Kagesong

I've never seen the anti-utility to not outing so someone is free to talk me off the ledge if there's something I'm missing

[Black Ranger]

If all the neighbors could claim whether they are in a neighborhood, that would be potentially useful for any PT Cops or Traffic Analysts to know so that they do not get any false positive results.

- signed
totally not a PT Cop or Traffic Analyst

oh yeah i thought this was rolefishy as fuck because it powers up scum neep

[Black Ranger]

By definition scum know the size of their team and if they're not in the thread, then you can assume traitor. That's the most basic idea based on the game information we have.

Which is pointless, because capital N-Normal traitors must be declared to the scumteam to be Normal. By definition scum know, so insomnia saying scum didn't know was a scumslip. A ridiculous one so I told him to get serious. It must have made him sad.

[Black Ranger]

That was the second post you made on the subject! How little can you care when you can check back a few days later to say something else to confirm to everybody how little you care?

[Black Ranger]

I feel like TSE's implosion is NAI because it was personal, but I do not like his role claim. This means it's scummy only if Wake's mod meta were to preclude a Loud Bodyguard. That's pretty useless for the slot, but I do want whoever said "it isn't always scum's intention to make it to endgame" because when I was scrolling on my phone earlier in the week I townread the hell out of that post.

Scum Titus is more readable than her stats present themselves. She just has a habit of swindling people in weird ways. I dislike how she told Nero to get off profii because she refused to read the thread, but later did make a good point here:

Day 1 is the best day for scumhunting. Today is the best day for flailing about. Telling me and town to pick betwwn BR and Tic Tac with a week and a half left is massively bad.

I think you're assuming this is forever. Wrong. The wagons get going. Highlight profili obvscumming in the middle (assuming he is). His reactions tell you about the alignments of the other two. If we pushed up both wagons and profili legit didn't care, you could use that. If both show themselves town, then push profili.

But screaming profili scum is likely to get you ignored and bitched at.

Work with us.

It reads like a well intentioned post.

You know - outside of the whole "BR scum with tictac Nero KM" post. That was some prime snaking. I want to believe that it was some weird Drixx bait to get a better read off him. He never did go into how he felt about Amrun (I left this up to believing that he wanted the person in our hood to answer my question about Amrun first, but...)

Drixx what is your read on Amrun?

Kthx.

[Black Ranger]

He’s Flailing.

I don't think you know what that means.

The fact that Nero never even said his take on how many scum he thinks are on MY wagon.

but its irrelevant pushback.

In 149 you said you

KNEW

that a very specific number of scum were pushing you and I pushed you on that.

Fonz (and insom kinda) is saying that its overconfidence that made you post a post were you accused yourself of getting bussed.

I mean later you go on to say that it was more than just me that was scum on your wagon but yeah.

I was calling insomnia and Garnr scum so 2 IG.

So then you don’t think I was wrong on the scum on wagon then?
Yet you still push me.
Over what?
A lack of communication?
Because I didn’t say it properly.
Here’s a thing. Guess what.
My communication is shit.

Oh, yeah, this was probably the only thing readable TSE did outside the "who says there's more than 1 scum team" post. I don't think lack of communication justifies saying there's scum on his wagon. Instead of come up with a reason like "I was just getting reactions out of people" he folded which wasn't good. I'm just not sure where the ~~effort~~ ended and the ~~implosion~~ began.

My own communication was shit but I think I made some kind of post of support of Insomnia's take that the slot should just be slated for a vigilante and we should try to move on.

[Black Ranger]

In the hood, at least

[Black Ranger]

Probably a great opportunity for me:

@A50 are you doing anything with the wagon data or were posts like 2019 as genuine as you presented it?

[Black Ranger]

I was town but my role wasn't very important and I thought being leashed was worth less than just getting shit canned out of the game like this

Maybe I can sneak some reads in

[Black Ranger]

Black Ranger is the lynch regardless of this late day shit he's doing. Should've played the fucking game earlier. You are the weakest link, goodbye.

I was the top poster in my hood and the members are still ignoring my questions what the fuck do you want from me you little goblin

[Black Ranger]

A big problem in this game was my inability to make townreads. I'm naturally suspicious of people and very little moves the needle toward town so working backwards is an uphill battle. Yes, making townreads is strong in a game like this. I knew it and still couldn't do it because using the game thread was inconvenient. I figured out with the reveal of the second hood that part of the purpose of them was to break up the game and make towns more productive by using the hoods.

I was accused by Drixx for "playing" the hood and by "playing" I mean discussing reads and building

consensus on basic shit

. He should honestly just go next.

Kage was probably legitimate in their suspicion/ frustration with me.

Insomnia is a snake with dipshit theories nobody could possibly believe. He does moon logic as town but it's NITPICKY moonlogic that stretches something out that already exists into a stronger case than what he actually has. In this case, this "Drixx + BR scumteam, faking scum vs SK (????????????)" narrative he was building was disgusting and he has never admitted to it being an attempt to mess with the hood or anything that could POSSIBLY make it all right.

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: Black Ranger I've got 1 townread in Norwegian and a half townchub for A50.

I don't think there's any reason to townbin A50. He should be a gimmie tr. He's not in this game.

[Black Ranger]

I see a good reason to TR NorwegianEE though. Wanting to push a lynch through on whoever is the top wagon at the time is very conductive to the whole vig lurkers argument: it really isn't about

padding that KDA

and more about putting a bunch of low effort contributors through a rat race to survive, and hopefully release content.

[Black Ranger]

Either in isolation would be scummy - you know, extra kills but I think I'm

happy

or north of townlean on him.

[Black Ranger]

Don't agree with Nero drawing associatives between profii and TSE. Want to call profii town through meta, but he could also be on a team with teammates he trusts. Dislike the associative with Garmr (the whole "I think you're hunting two teams at once") which is just spotlighting the ~~effort~~ Garmr is wearing like a trashy prom dress.

[Black Ranger]

You said a thing, and BR latched on to it, pushing Drixx?

Specifically, Insomnia made a post, then a minute later made a post asking why I had suddenly gone silent. The problem is ... I told them I was leaving for awhile before I left, so it was a bullshit post. BR jumped in with an all caps "Yeah drixx where did you go in that one minute of tinfoiling" post. Then insomnia replied that BR's post made him feel better about it.

So yeah ... definitely some weird shit in the hood. Insomina also was hard crumbing a role but when I asked him why he would crumb a role that's almost exclusively given to scum, he backed off of that. He's also randomly engaged with me in ways that seemed genuine, and then ranted at me at other times.

That certain is an odd thing to do in game that has day that last 14 days. Its abit odd to expect a player to be on demand to reply to any post

Insomnia was the one that accused Drixx of backing off. I came in with the all caps to fuck with Drixx because Drixx was being an asshole to me.

[Black Ranger]

Btw Fonz is in the hood and was the one who mentioned that they would sort Amrun. I gave him the same quotes and asked for his opinion. You know. Sometime... Last week it feels. Still nothing.

He's glad that the hood can get back to sorting when no real effort had been made besides the brief moment where Insomnia got a few of us onto Tictac or when I checked Drixx's work on KM. Everything else has been a hard dodge or shit talk.

[Black Ranger]

Like what mutual suspicion have drixx/myself/insomnia had

For most of the hood I had:
- Actively suggested against a scumread onto Drixx
- Actively townread Insomnia

Drixx:
-Actively scumread myself
-Nulled Insomnia (that get out of here comment), maybe faint suspicion off that crumb

Insomnia
-BR AND DRIXX ARE SCUM TOGETHER LOL BTW BR IS PRETENDING TO BE AN SK EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. OH, AND BR REALLY IS AN SK.

interesting reality you live in

[Black Ranger]

If I wanted to pretend to be an SK I would have claimed vig (which I never so much as softed) and said some bullshit but like I said being leashed by 25 active players (most either scum or dumb) has a worse pay out for town opposed to getting lynched like this.

My "loudspeaker in the scum PT" post about hidden scum before the player list was posted might have been an obvious PR tell. Think of it what you will.

[Black Ranger]

In what world did this mutual suspicion stop the ability for us to sort or do anything besides your limp dick "have you played with X person?" questions Fonz? It wasn't apparent until

near the end of day

. What was the excuse before that?

[Black Ranger]

Nah. You're full of shit.

[Black Ranger]

Spoiler: VCD1

TrueSoulEnergy

(9): NorwegianboyEE, Chemist1422, Nero Cain, Dolly Parton, Garmr, tictac, Jackal711, Kirari Momobami, Pink Ball

Garmr

(3): Black Ranger, bob3141, Yiley

dsjstr

(2): Elsa Jay, profii

Jackal711

(2): AaronFrost, TrueSoulEnergy

SausasaurusRex

(1): The Fonz

Kirari Momobami

(1): Drixx

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

(1): insomnia

bob3141

(1): SausasaurusRex

Hectic

(1): Egix96

Elsa Jay

(1): Almost50

gobbledygook

(1): davesaz

Not Voting

(27): Pine, Not Known 15, Jamelia, Uncrowned, hersho, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, DrDolittle, Cat Scratch Fever, Hectic, Golden Robster, VaultDweller, Amrun, UltimatePlank, clidd, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, dsjstr, EeveeLution Army, BBMolla, kagesong, ar98mubarik, Something_Smart, Rhinox, eth0s, Non Imh, gobbledygook, Emperor FlippyNips

TrueSoulEnergy

(11): NorwegianboyEE, Chemist1422, Nero Cain, Dolly Parton, tictac, Jackal711, Kirari Momobami, Pink Ball, Cat Scratch Fever, profii, Elsa Jay

Garmr

(3): Black Ranger, bob3141, Yiley

Jackal711

(2): AaronFrost, TrueSoulEnergy

bob3141

(1): SausasaurusRex

SausasaurusRex

(1): The Fonz

Kirari Momobami

(1): Drixx

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

(1): insomnia

Hectic

(1): Egix96

Elsa Jay

(1): Almost50

The Fonz

(1): Garmr

gobbledygook

(1): davesaz

Not Voting

(26): Pine, Not Known 15, Jamelia, Uncrowned, hersho, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, DrDolittle, Hectic, Golden Robster, VaultDweller, Amrun, UltimatePlank, clidd, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, dsjstr, EeveeLution Army, BBMolla, kagesong, ar98mubarik, Something_Smart, Rhinox, eth0s, Non Imh, gobbledygook, Emperor FlippyNips

TrueSoulEnergy

(11): NorwegianboyEE, Chemist1422, Nero Cain, Dolly Parton, tictac, Jackal711, Kirari Momobami, Pink Ball, Cat Scratch Fever, profii, Elsa Jay

Garmr

(3): Black Ranger, bob3141, Yiley

Jackal711

(2): AaronFrost, TrueSoulEnergy

bob3141

(1): SausasaurusRex

SausasaurusRex

(1): The Fonz

Kirari Momobami

(1): Drixx

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

(1): insomnia

Hectic

(1): Egix96

Elsa Jay

(1): Almost50

The Fonz

(1): Garmr

gobbledygook

(1): davesaz

Not Voting

(26): Pine, Not Known 15, Jamelia, Uncrowned, hersho, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, DrDolittle, Hectic, Golden Robster, VaultDweller, Amrun, UltimatePlank, clidd, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, dsjstr, EeveeLution Army, BBMolla, kagesong, ar98mubarik, Something_Smart, Rhinox, eth0s, Non Imh, gobbledygook, Emperor FlippyNips

TrueSoulEnergy

(10): NorwegianboyEE, Nero Cain, Dolly Parton, tictac, Jackal711, Kirari Momobami, Pink Ball, Cat Scratch Fever, profii, Elsa Jay

Garmr

(3): Black Ranger, bob3141, Yiley

Nero Cain

(2): Hectic, TrueSoulEnergy

Hectic

(2): Egix96, Chemist1422

Black Ranger

(2): The Fonz, Almost50

bob3141

(1): SausasaurusRex

Kirari Momobami

(1): Drixx

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

(1): insomnia

The Fonz

(1): Garmr

gobbledygook

(1): davesaz

Jackal711

(1): AaronFrost

Not Voting

(25): Pine, Not Known 15, Jamelia, Uncrowned, hersho, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, DrDolittle, UltimatePlank, Golden Robster, VaultDweller, Amrun, clidd, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, dsjstr, EeveeLution Army, BBMolla, kagesong, ar98mubarik, Something_Smart, Rhinox, eth0s, Non Imh, gobbledygook, Emperor FlippyNips

TrueSoulEnergy

(14): NorwegianboyEE, Nero Cain, Dolly Parton, tictac, Jackal711, Kirari Momobami, Pink Ball, Cat Scratch Fever, profii, Elsa Jay, Hectic, Uncrowned, insomnia, Yiley

Garmr

(2): Black Ranger, bob3141

Hectic

(2): Egix96, Chemist1422

Black Ranger

(2): The Fonz, Almost50

bob3141

(1): SausasaurusRex

Kirari Momobami

(1): Drixx

Nero Cain

(1): TrueSoulEnergy

The Fonz

(1): Garmr

gobbledygook

(1): davesaz

Jackal711

(1): AaronFrost

Not Voting

(24): Pine, Not Known 15, Jamelia, hersho, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, DrDolittle, UltimatePlank, Golden Robster, VaultDweller, Amrun, clidd, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, dsjstr, EeveeLution Army, BBMolla, kagesong, ar98mubarik, Something_Smart, Rhinox, eth0s, Non Imh, gobbledygook, Emperor FlippyNips

TrueSoulEnergy

(10): tictac, Jackal711, Pink Ball, Cat Scratch Fever, profii, Hectic, Uncrowned, Yiley, VaultDweller, Dolly Parton

Black Ranger

(5): The Fonz, Almost50, NorwegianboyEE, AaronFrost, Elsa Jay

tictac

(4): insomnia, Rhinox, Black Ranger, Not Known 15

Kirari Momobami

(2): Drixx, kagesong

Garmr

(1): bob3141

davesaz

(1): Kirari Momobami

Dolly Parton

(1): gobbledygook

Something_Smart

(1): DrDolittle

profii

(1): Nero Cain

Hectic

(1): Egix96

BBMolla

(1): Garmr

Elsa Jay

(1): TrueSoulEnergy

Not Voting

(21): SausasaurusRex, Pine, Jamelia, hersho, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, clidd, davesaz, UltimatePlank, Golden Robster, Amrun, Chemist1422, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, dsjstr, EeveeLution Army, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, Something_Smart, eth0s, Non Imh, Emperor FlippyNips

Titus

(10): Jackal711, Pink Ball, Cat Scratch Fever, profii, Hectic, Uncrowned, Yiley, VaultDweller, Dolly Parton, tictac

tictac

(9): insomnia, Rhinox, Black Ranger, Titus, AaronFrost, Amrun, Not Known 15, gobbledygook, NorwegianboyEE

profii

(3): Nero Cain, Kirari Momobami, Egix96

Black Ranger

(3): The Fonz, Almost50, Elsa Jay

Kirari Momobami

(2): Drixx, kagesong

Garmr

(1): bob3141

Something_Smart

(1): DrDolittle

BBMolla

(1): Garmr

Not Voting

(20): NotAJumbleOfNumbers, clidd, UltimatePlank, SausasaurusRex, Non Imh, davesaz, dsjstr, Chemist1422, Pine, Something_Smart, eth0s, EeveeLution Army, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, Jamelia, Golden Robster, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, hersho, Emperor FlippyNips

tictac

(12): insomnia, Rhinox, Black Ranger, Titus, AaronFrost, Amrun, Not Known 15, gobbledygook, NorwegianboyEE, Almost50, Elsa Jay, profii

Titus

(9): Jackal711, Cat Scratch Fever, Hectic, Uncrowned, Yiley, VaultDweller, Dolly Parton, tictac, Nero Cain

Kirari Momobami

(2): Drixx, Psyche

clidd

(2): Pink Ball, Kirari Momobami

Garmr

(1): bob3141

Something_Smart

(1): DrDolittle

profii

(1): Egix96

Black Ranger

(1): The Fonz

BBMolla

(1): Garmr

Not Voting

(20): NotAJumbleOfNumbers, clidd, UltimatePlank, SausasaurusRex, Non Imh, davesaz, dsjstr, Chemist1422, Pine, Something_Smart, eth0s, EeveeLution Army, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, Jamelia, Golden Robster, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, hersho, Emperor FlippyNips

tictac

(14): Rhinox, Black Ranger, Titus, AaronFrost, Amrun, gobbledygook, Almost50, Elsa Jay, profii, Dolly Parton, SausasaurusRex, Psyche, NorwegianboyEE, Hectic

Titus

(5): Jackal711, Uncrowned, Yiley, VaultDweller, Nero Cain

SausasaurusRex

(3): The Fonz, Not Known 15, Cat Scratch Fever

Garmr

(1): bob3141

AaronFrost

(1): Kirari Momobami

profii

(1): Egix96

Amrun

(1): insomnia

Chemist1422

(1): tictac

clidd

(1): Pink Ball

BBMolla

(1): Garmr

Something_Smart

(1): DrDolittle

B

Not Voting

(19): NotAJumbleOfNumbers, clidd, UltimatePlank, eth0s, Non Imh, davesaz, dsjstr, Chemist1422, Pine, Something_Smart, EeveeLution Army, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, Jamelia, Golden Robster, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, hersho, Emperor FlippyNips

SausasaurusRex

(11): The Fonz, Not Known 15, Cat Scratch Fever, davesaz, Kirari Momobami, profii, VaultDweller, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, NorwegianboyEE, Dolly Parton, gobbledygook

tictac

(6): Black Ranger, AaronFrost, Almost50, Elsa Jay, SausasaurusRex, Psyche

Titus

(3): Jackal711, Uncrowned, Yiley

Black Ranger

(3): Drixx, Nero Cain, Amrun

Dolly Parton

(2): Egix96, Titus

Elsa Jay

(2): Pink Ball, QuantumQuasar

Drixx

(2): insomnia, Rhinox

Garmr

(1): bob3141

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

(1): Hectic

Chemist1422

(1): tictac

BBMolla

(1): Garmr

Something_Smart

(1): DrDolittle

Not Voting

(16): clidd, UltimatePlank, eth0s, Non Imh, dsjstr, Chemist1422, Pine, Something_Smart, EeveeLution Army, pisskop, Jamelia, Golden Robster, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, hersho, Emperor FlippyNips

Black Ranger

(20): Drixx, Nero Cain, Amrun, gobbledygook, Almost50, Egix96, NorwegianboyEE, insomnia, Garmr, Titus, Rhinox, BBmolla, AaronFrost, Kirari Momobami, Pink Ball, profii, Cat Scratch Fever, RCEnigma, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, Elsa Jay

SausasaurusRex

(5): The Fonz, davesaz, VaultDweller, Dolly Parton, DrDolittle

tictac

(3): SausasaurusRex, Psyche, Not Known 15

Titus

(3): Jackal711, Uncrowned, Yiley

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

(2): Hectic, clidd

Garmr

(1): bob3141

Not Known 15

(1): tictac

Cat Scratch Fever

(1): Black Ranger

insomnia

(1): Something_Smart

Elsa Jay

(1): QuantumQuasar

Not Voting

(12): Jamelia, eth0s, Non Imh, dsjstr, Chemist1422, Pine, pisskop, UltimatePlank, Alyssa the Lamb, EeveeLution Army, ar98mubarik, Creature

Black Ranger

(24): Drixx, Nero Cain, Amrun, gobbledygook, Almost50, Egix96, NorwegianboyEE, insomnia, Garmr, Titus, Rhinox, BBmolla, AaronFrost, Kirari Momobami, Pink Ball, profii, Cat Scratch Fever, RCEnigma, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, Elsa Jay, Pine, Chemist1422, Psyche, Creature

SausasaurusRex

(5): The Fonz, davesaz, VaultDweller, Dolly Parton, DrDolittle

Titus

(3): Jackal711, Uncrowned, Yiley

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

(2): Hectic, clidd

tictac

(2): SausasaurusRex, Not Known 15

Garmr

(1): bob3141

Not Known 15

(1): tictac

Cat Scratch Fever

(1): Black Ranger

insomnia

(1): Something_Smart

Elsa Jay

(1): QuantumQuasar

Not Voting

(9): Jamelia, UltimatePlank, eth0s, Non Imh, pisskop, dsjstr, Alyssa the Lamb, EeveeLution Army, ar98mubarik

adding this to my iso

[Black Ranger]

I don't get what specifically in NAJON's ISO is scummy for clidd but they did vote Saus when he reached top wagon status. Despite being a lesser scumread of mine I felt something was seriously off when CSF voted Saus but suspected NK15. This wagon is shit: it may not inform Saus' align, but it was a scum wagon.

[Black Ranger]

Could see CSF and NAJON on a team together.

[Black Ranger]

For the record, since I've mentioned how tracker could be scum's rolecop. BG can be scum's doctor

Cool take I missed the first time around

[Black Ranger]

@Bob
I don't remember you having this kind of mediator style as town or scum. So is it like something new your trying out for this game?

Im trying to sort the two of you by trying to dtermine what relationship you have together. Whether its tvt tvs svs or Svs

As i cant tell if your trying to defend BR by using garmr example as proxy. In order to push that BR isnt scum lookign for the opposite team. As if you dont want use BR in the example as it woudl like you were directly defending him if you fail to deflect his lynch onto someone else.

Or trying to attack garmr by using his argument for BR being scum against him. With you think that BR is town looking for scum regardless and that you think garmr is actual scum who actualy thinks BR is scum. With him pushing the arguement that BR is simply scum looking for other scum.

Do town really repeat the same method over and over again? That's more like scum perfect (or more complete) knowledge territory.

[Black Ranger]

Bob had a few gotchas that feel pure rather than malicious, idk. Just make sure he doesn't get to keep doing this.

[Black Ranger]

And yes I know the subject material for the second example was prompted by the current discussion but it was a very "here I go townplaining again" moment.

[Black Ranger]

Check your FUCKING privilege

[Black Ranger]

Yeah that was basically how the tinfoil comment went btw.

[Black Ranger]

I am not going to just start actively doing stuff when I absolutely don't have any opinion. I am reading it little by little but it's just a lot of nothing to me.

Could be anxious scum

[Black Ranger]

The hood does not have a list of people with access to it. It actually says the opposite.

That’s interesting. I’m also in a neighbourhood, but mine lists all the people with access at the top.

Something feels off with this, generally hoods, or any PTs for that matter are supposed to list all the people who are in it.

@Saus -

are you in the same hood as BR or are you in a different hood?

@Drixx -

can you confirm that Black Ranger is telling the truth about the hood not having a list of people in it?

Kept the conversation paused on me rather than continuing it by confronting me about

anything

. As if I'd lie about the hood player list. What a waste of energy.

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

Think this is a good wagon as well. Look at that ISO.

what am i missing or is that the point?

[Black Ranger]

Yeah, alright.

@Dolly:

Address the points Gobsie makes in 1874 please.

VOTE: Dolly Parton

Dolly seems like supreme lynchbait

I doubt any of her day 1 content will be readable until maybe endgame when the votes might make sense but even saying that comes from an area of doubt for me.

I think she's just town.

[Black Ranger]

ISOed him and I think NotAJumbleOfNumbers is scummier. Have you ISOed that guy? There's an opinion, that opinion being shot down and being very defensive in response. And then lack of giving opinions and LAMIST pop-ins from that point onward.

I'll switch to Black Ranger if it's needed for a lynch though obviously.

This was never really the case I feel and a case again NAJON is better aimed at the lack of worthwhile content at critical points. Namely, when he votes Saus when he reached top wagon status and myself when I overtook Saus/tictac. The Saus wagon was a major fail at critical thinking around the time CSF jumped on (vote 3).

I scumread

Saus and didn't want any part of it and instead made my contribution to ask CSF if his reads were real at all.

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: Not Known 15
I'll consolidate in 24 h, but wanna see if this takes wind first.
Would also do Jackal711 (i assume he's still part of this)

snek

[Black Ranger]

Nero Cain, can you out the other members of your neighborhood, please?

of course you did this you fish

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: Not Known 15
I'll consolidate in 24 h, but wanna see if this takes wind first.
Would also do Jackal711 (i assume he's still part of this)

Do you really expect that to take wind without you providing any reasons for him being scum? That's as good as a naked vote, tictac. If your name wasn't so similar to mine, I'd be giving you a menacing glare right now.

wolfy

[Black Ranger]

26 to lynch?
Also if the mafia teams want to remove other teams.
Killing within (Nero, Tictac, Jackel) is a good bet.

Scum:

Jackal711 - Voting patterns

On this point, I like SS and Nero for town right now, and Dolly might have town potential

I like GR usually but if she's not going to play then I'm happy with vig shots inside Jackal/Eth0s/GR

VOTE: Not Known 15
I'll consolidate in 24 h, but wanna see if this takes wind first.
Would also do Jackal711 (i assume he's still part of this)

Vic shots on Eth0s-slot or Jackal711 still OK

VOTE: Jackal711

There we go

VOTE: Jackal711

Yes we are

VOTE: Jackal

btw, this is his only post outside the hood:

So this has started. And at 9 pages already, Which honestly seems low for a game this big even though it's only been 4 hours.

I see a lot of fluff but do have one solid scumread.

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

what vote pattern btw

[Black Ranger]

jackal counterwagon is LAMISTY (pronounced Lamisté)

KM might be the most town of them all, idk

[Black Ranger]

I would also lynch Elsa Jay, bob, or NK15 today

I agree on NK15, but why for the first two?

If you agree on NK15 (presumably due to a lack of content) why are you agreeing with CSF, king of shitting out no content and being scum by omission?

[Black Ranger]

wait insomnia what are we doing here my shepherd?

just sleep together already

[Black Ranger]

vote count adjusted to just before pink ball's switch onto clidd 1485. Tictac went from 10 to 15, Titus 11 to 5 (or more I'm not counting outliers). Clidd's ISO was blank at the time. That was presumably the reason to vote him. He was a vanity voter before settling on me EOD. Not the good kind that gives reasons either.

Titus

(11): Jackal711, Pink Ball, Cat Scratch Fever, profii, Hectic, Uncrowned, Yiley, VaultDweller, Dolly Parton, tictac, Nero Cain

tictac

(10): insomnia, Rhinox, Black Ranger, Titus, AaronFrost, Amrun, Not Known 15, gobbledygook, NorwegianboyEE, Almost50

ar98mubarik

(2): Elsa Jay, Kirari Momobami

Kirari Momobami

(2): Drixx, kagesong

profii

(2): Kirari Momobami, Egix96

Garmr

(1): bob3141

Something_Smart

(1): DrDolittle

BBMolla

(1): Garmr

Black Ranger

(1): The Fonz

Not Voting

(20): NotAJumbleOfNumbers, clidd, UltimatePlank, SausasaurusRex, Non Imh, davesaz, dsjstr, Chemist1422, Pine, Something_Smart, eth0s, EeveeLution Army, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, Jamelia, Golden Robster, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, hersho, Emperor FlippyNips

With 50 alive, it takes 26 to lynch.

[Black Ranger]

some certainty in chemist town

[Black Ranger]

And yes I'm questioning the wagon because it's at L-2 and an ISO search gave me a townread on him

There's not exactly many other avenues of getting into the game

i think only titus should be able to townread me as town everyone else gets an excuse for getting it wrong

so having you get it right and titus getting it wrong is a bit awkward

[Black Ranger]

Dolly's vote isn't gross, it's her opinion that Rex's claim shouldn't save him. Expressing your opinion when it's weird or against the grain is towny.

Her blank vote said all that?

[Black Ranger]

okay i'm going to sleep if i passed you over you are 1) in my hood and i feel neutral about you 2) town by default with nothing too interesting to comment on 3) i mistook you as a krazy alt 4) i think you are solvable without my interference (bbmolla, KM etc)

good work everybody we did it

[Black Ranger]

my suggestion for town: be less wolfy and lynch scum

my suggestion for scum: be less wolfy and lynch scum

later gator

[Black Ranger]

Third hood:

@ Gobble

Eth0s
Jackal711
Something_Smart
Gold Robster
Kirari Momobami
Dolly Parton

plus nero

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: Not Known 15
I'll consolidate in 24 h, but wanna see if this takes wind first.
Would also do Jackal711 (i assume he's still part of this)

Do you really expect that to take wind without you providing any reasons for him being scum? That's as good as a naked vote, tictac. If your name wasn't so similar to mine, I'd be giving you a menacing glare right now.

wolfy

I reacted same as hectic internally tbf

the reaction isn't wolfy the reply to hectic felt s/s

[Black Ranger]

reply to tictac that is

[Black Ranger]

If I wanted to pretend to be an SK I would have claimed vig (which I never so much as softed) and said some bullshit but like I said being leashed by 25 active players (most either scum or dumb) has a worse pay out for town opposed to getting lynched like this.

My "loudspeaker in the scum PT" post about hidden scum before the player list was posted might have been an obvious PR tell. Think of it what you will.

Wait so your claimed power role is being town and posting in the scum pt???

Why exactly are you voting me if not for Drixx's "tell"?

VOTE: black ranger

should i give you a pass for never saying why?

well let's dip into this anyway.

TELL DRIXX DROPPED IN THE THREAD THAT COVERED THIS VERY SUBJECT.

So ... in a neighborhood with {redacted} but Black Ranger is in there. He did the whole "Look at how super helpful I am being" entrance combined with the "you know there's totally scum in this neighborhood ... you REALIZE that right?" thing. For as long as I've been on this site, and probably before that, those two behaviors in a neighborhood have been super scum indicative.

1. There was no playerlist in the OP of the hood
2. The flavor implied that the players could remain unknown to the hood
3. Wake probably realized this was not-Normal and had to change it 24 hours later

I said that we should assume that anything said in the hood as being put on a loudspeaker into the scum PT. That meant,

no matter how much we could trust one another

, the hood was public information. I made a bit of an error by furthering my conclusion by saying anyone that appears in the hood late is guaranteed scum, because there's vets in the hood and I should have been able to trust them to come to the same decision later on and turbo lynch the free scum, but I was feeling pretty paranoid at the time, because I've seen exactly this scenario before (undisclosed neighbours and lurking scum).

[Black Ranger]

Here is basically a run down of the beginning of the hood:

Redacted says "sup"

Insomnia says "hi"

I say "gang"

I drop garmr read

Insomnia responds positively to garmr read

I drop suggestion about the people who may have access to the hood

Drixx responds positively to the playerlist (or it was peak sarcasm). Agrees on garmr read, dislikes TSE wagon. Agrees that the hood is likely not scum free.

I quote the hood OP where it says you can actively choose not to speak in the thread and drop a rhyme to drixx "seems like a clue baby blue".

Insomnia asks Drixx if he's wolfing

Drixx says I'm playing scum agenda by being overly helpful and that my reads and content are unoriginal

I call him delusional and we start going aggro.

[Black Ranger]

oh, yeah and when i dropped my read on garmr i did support the tse wagon only because i didn't know them and wanted to know them. might be relevant with how drixx actively did not want that wagon.

[Black Ranger]

Hey Ranger, can u go read that Jackal post in context, and vote for him after?
That one read he expressed is faketastic.

+it's a way to maybe survive and what u doing now isn't working. I like get not wanting to be survivalistic, but there's a limit to how long that actually makes sense.

pedit: oh come on now

I really don't care about whether I'm lynched or not because I feel like I'll get BoPed out day 2 anyway

Plus I feel like I'll shoot town or get roleblocked or whatever I could do in the night before my inevitable lynch won't really change anything

If it takes my lynch to get people to play seriously, I'll take it, because that's more dangerous than flipping some minor town pr.

I don't think

everyone

I'm poking around is scum. I have principle scumreads and people that raise eyebrows, but if people continually fail to meet expectations they can go. Put it my seal of approval on it.

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

Like this, CSF or Tictac the most right now.

[Black Ranger]

KM seeing as you're in the hood with Jackal just how justified is this wagon? Afaik, you're the only one among the wagoners have an idea of any content from him in the hood, and if the argument from tictac is that convincing, why is Nero going for Dave?

[Black Ranger]

If it takes my lynch to get people to play seriously,

u think u can make people play seriously by getting lynched?
where u get that idea from?

Because you get a town pov to read from instead of some shite lurker flip

I also turn water into wine

[Black Ranger]

This is his one and only post in the whole thread. It was made more than a week ago, and *gulp* mod didn't even prof him, much less list him in the to-be-replaced list!

he's not even the worst of the lurkers. Shite vote.

VOTE: Dave

I had a hard time reading Dave but I left it up to how he was only active when the game was boring. Disliked how he went into such detail of SB vs MB (and this is almost like a meme at this point). He did bother to offer reads on Saus/Titus with that tinfoil theory of scum prs which shows he's willing to think critically but he also then called Titus town, so.

[Black Ranger]

and if the argument from tictac is that convincing, why is Nero going for Dave?

What does the argument for Dave have to do with my vote?

Well, is Jackal lockscum from not posting in the hood? This is only something you and KM should know;

not Tictac

. You can still go for Dave, but we need to know, because if you want a more interesting lynch I could, ahem, make Jackal disappear tonight?

[Black Ranger]

14 hours after Drixx called KM top scum in the game thread he said the opposite in the hood. I asked him why he was going for KM over me when it seemed like A50 was backing him up on his read on me (and I was asking for his read on A50 in general, which I think he ignored in the hood but eventually called him town in the game thread). He replied to me that it was better to pressure somebody that was around, and KM was present and I was not.

I missed that the first time around.

[Black Ranger]

Sorry, who is OMGUS reading you Nero?

I checked back because I don't remember tictac ever really interacting with you but did find this post

Here's a game where Hectic was way different D1.

he was town that game, doesn't that mean he is somewhat likely to be scum here?

@Hectic: do u have meta w Nero?

I don't see how Hectic's experience with you was relevant to the discussion (and your read on his slot). Hectic apparently responded that he doesn't/is unlikely to have experience with you and Tictac never went into why any of this mattered

If you meant Titus, it seems like her read on you is dependent on scum Tictac and I don't see it. It's more incidental that you're hard pushing TSE/Titus and Insomnia started tictac at the same time and I don't see a reason to fault you for that. The wagonomics rationale behind Titus' entrance reads were poor, but that's like a baseline assumption to make because she admitted that she had read nothing in the game and as a read it can be melted down to discussion fodder and later ignored.

I doubt this is related on anything you've said about Tictac directly, so maybe it's due to how you were pushing profii after I remarked I didn't like the rhetoric surrounding the ongoing TSE PL discussion. But, you don't HAVE to push Tictac if you don't want to push TSE, and even if I disagree on profii I did feel like you had a better option than Tictac - Amrun. So, it's suspect to come up with that theory just based on the profii tunnel alone.

I think it's just better to have Titus come in and explain rather than go over every scenario but I think these were the two likelier reasons she suspected you

[Black Ranger]

kill all memers

[Black Ranger]

@Titus/@Nor: We are not moving away from BR because of his TPR claim. We are moving off him because he gave reads in a manner that looked more town-motivated than not when he thought he was already hammered.

I don't believe that. I feel it's a convenient excuse. TPR is not a claim.

I claimed vig sweet pea

In the same post that I mentioned I may have pr told in the hood with the "hidden scum / no hood playerlist" thought.

[Black Ranger]

@Titus/@Nor: We are not moving away from BR because of his TPR claim. We are moving off him because he gave reads in a manner that looked more town-motivated than not when he thought he was already hammered.

I don't believe that. I feel it's a convenient excuse. TPR is not a claim.

I claimed vig sweet pea

In the same post that I mentioned I may have pr told in the hood with the "hidden scum / no hood playerlist" thought.

Good. Vig me tonight. I don't want to live in this world.

odd post

[Black Ranger]

@nero he's not really doing that "focusing discussion onto town" thing as in arcanists unless you're suggesting he's somehow doing it by omission

Drixx / BR / Garmr / tictac

Can all get vig’d

I disagree on Drixx and tictac.

I think I'd be okay leaving tictac on the list. Why wouldn't you?

I saw some things on first reading that seemed townish for tictac compared to meta, but I've already made myself a note to read again given how others viewed the same material.

This was interesting though. So, he's doing the opposite and townbinning people.

He does later say this:

HeyBBMolla! Hey BBMolla! (don't know if he's searching one word or two lol)
I'm going to go slightly out on a limb here and say that Wake is using the strict definition of "contributing".
That means that prod dodging isn't ok. Actual content that advances the game is required.

I think I'll leave my vote where it is. I'd like to see how Rex responds to the wagon staying post claim. Not like there is serious danger of a quicklynch.

I'm not opposed to the BR wagon. I don't have a strong read on tictac either way. I think Titus is town, and Drixx is probably town too but that's slightly weaker having seen some of the later discussion.

For the record, since I've mentioned how tracker could be scum's rolecop. BG can be scum's doctor, meaning Titus's role has to be somewhat suspect. I TR Titus anyway without the role, and I trust myself to notice if she starts scumtelling.

His experience level with tictac: average

I figure the "who do you play with" question will keep coming up so here's the list.

Spoiler: list

Lots and/or recently
Elsa Jay
Nero Cain
Chemist1422
Garmr
pisskop
Almost50
The Fonz
profii
Amrun
Egix96
AaronFrost
Something_Smart
gobbledygook
Pink Ball

Average
BBMolla
Drixx
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic
Pine
bob3141
Not Known 15
Rhinox
insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
EeveeLution Army
Jackal711
tictac
Emperor FlippyNips

Few/Never (unless they're aliases I don't recognize)
DrDolittle
Kirari Momobami
Uncrowned
Dolly Parton
UltimatePlank
kagesong
Jamelia
Cat Scratch Fever
QuantumQuasar
dsjstr
SausasaurusRex
Non Imh
eth0s
Black Ranger
Golden Robster
NotAJumbleOfNumbers
hersho
ar98mubarik
clidd
VaultDweller
Yiley

I'd rate his meta tell as something tangible that shouldn't so quickly go into null territory

It would be fair to say that there's less stock in this Nero+Tictac theory right now.

[Black Ranger]

dave needs to explain his trajectory at the very least. that's a big flip flop with no intermediate explanation.

[Black Ranger]

Eh fuck it let's get people in the thread

VOTE: Davesaz

[Black Ranger]

Let's have a quarantine party

[Black Ranger]

If there's a block they're on me so who cares

I'm the day 2 lynch ez get

[Black Ranger]

Okay Titus I held up my end of the deal where you at

[Black Ranger]

go ahead guys and rope/bullet a miller claim

you wanna make the game about anything besides yourself m80

[Black Ranger]

kill all memers

I was gonna unvots you, but I guess you wanna kill me.

Vote stays.

im vigging elsa if they don't unvote me

i am the covid-19

[Black Ranger]

tictac iso is a solid "whatever"

wouldn't kill them today but won't force a nolynch to save them

got opinions on how people are treating tictac yet?

[Black Ranger]

im vigging elsa if they don't unvote me

if elsa unvotes u and u don't vig elsa then i'll vig u!

the ciiiirclle of viiiigs

a real threat would be to vote me

[Black Ranger]

bye chemist it was nice seeing you online

[Black Ranger]

it would be protown that's about all i can reason right now

[Black Ranger]

amazing maximalist approach to using the day to its full potential elsa i expect great things from you

[Black Ranger]

so a post where i put an indeterminate read on drixx is smearing you? i don't townread the guy by any means but his behavior in the hood is trending scum and how he treated your slot in particular has nothing to do with how i view his align and doesn't inform your align at all

you're scummy independently of drixx

drixx is just disruptive for no reason in particular. view 2740

stopping the hood from ever being productive is scummy in of itself

[Black Ranger]

I mean, theoretically, he could be like a goon and still claim vig

regardless, im town and he's prob gonna shoot me so part of me just wants to lynch him so that doesn't happen.

Why would he shoot you? He's promised to shoot Elsa, but we should leash him. You cool with that if it means survival, Black Ranger?

I'm shooting whoever the fuck I want so you should lynch me right now

[Black Ranger]

I mean, theoretically, he could be like a goon and still claim vig

regardless, im town and he's prob gonna shoot me so part of me just wants to lynch him so that doesn't happen.

Why would he shoot you? He's promised to shoot Elsa, but we should leash him. You cool with that if it means survival, Black Ranger?

I'm shooting whoever the fuck I want so you should lynch me right now

You mean your scum team is shooting who ever they want to not you.

K

[Black Ranger]

Reminder that this is your eod

[Black Ranger]

im town and you'll fuck us over. die

VOTE: black ranger

Your consideration for dave's reads right now is immensely influential. Almost like all of it was bullshit.

[Black Ranger]

pagetop

[Black Ranger]

we need titus for the complete set

[Black Ranger]

im town and you'll fuck us over. die

VOTE: black ranger

Your consideration for dave's reads right now is immensely influential. Almost like all of it was bullshit.

not really but im more concerned with keeping good town alive than a maybe town with shit reads.

explain for the rest of the class

[Black Ranger]

i feel like we worked through a lot of issues and have become more productive as a result

[Black Ranger]

yes that was my attempt at humor

[Black Ranger]

can we joke about the fact that the only guy with a black avi in the entire game nearly got lynched day 1 in a 50 player game or is it still too soon

full MU day 1

[Black Ranger]

I don't trust myself to make a good kill or for a kill to go through or for myself not to simply end of being the day 2 lynch as a result of coincidence.

Why did you think I was shooting you in particular Nero?

[Black Ranger]

I scumread you for like one line in the hood regarding pushing a lynch through on somebody getting replaced only through meta because I misread what you wrote and assumed you wanted the replaced.

I thought for sure what I thought I read was town!Nero through meta because you would want them to btfo asap if town. I could see you as scum just from that alone.

I've expressed no strong conviction of that sort in the game thread.

[Black Ranger]

them to be replaced ebwop

[Black Ranger]

Seems like a bit of an overaction.

[Black Ranger]

You're excused for not following it I'm not at my peak performance right now

[Black Ranger]

I never said anything in the game thread about nero besides that whole, "drixx said i was defending him [nero cain] in the hood but i changed my mind when i realized that i was dumb and found the comment to be scummy instead" post. The implication that if anyone thought I was hard promoting nero as scum in the game thread it would mean a hood leak.

Either that, or nero thinks I'd shoot his partner.

Something like that. It was odd to say that unprompted.

[Black Ranger]

Drixx/insomnia/saurus?

Saurus is in a hood with Elsa (?)

There's also a third hood that Nero/KM/Jackal is in. That one is entirely public knowledge in Nero's iso somewhere.

Mine is
Black Ranger
Drixx
Fonz
Psyche/Kagesong
Insomnia
and a few more.

[Black Ranger]

Someone who provably cares after he was put at L-3 yes

He didn’t care until now did he

There's a number of people in the hood who could corroborate this claim

Let's see if they do.

[Black Ranger]

Jackal is a no information lynch. I've already proven how weird the Saus wagon was after Tictac hit their peak. Just by the activity level of this game, any lynch will require a bloc of players on my wagon. Those players shouldn't get away with getting on a Jackal lynch. We don't need apathy, we just need a lynch that people are willing to fight for.

VOTE: Tictac

Let's do this. If anyone is worried that I'll make an anti town kill, I'll shoot Jackal. There's no reason to vote him anymore.

[Black Ranger]

unOfficial Vote Count

1.13

Black Ranger

(19): Drixx, Amrun, gobbledygook, insomnia, Garmr, Titus, Rhinox, AaronFrost, Pink Ball, profii, Cat Scratch Fever, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, Elsa Jay, Pine, Chemist1422, Psyche, DrDolittle, VaultDweller, Nero Cain

Jackal711

(9): Creature, Almost50, tictac, pisskop, Kirari Momobami, Alyssa the Lamb, Hectic, clidd, NorwegianboyEE

tictac

(4): SausasaurusRex, Not Known 15, RCEnigma, Black Ranger

SausasaurusRex

(3): The Fonz, davesaz, Dolly Parton

Titus

(2): Jackal711, Uncrowned

Garmr

(1): bob3141

insomnia

(1): Something_Smart

NorwegianboyEE

(1): Egix96

Rhinox

(1): BBmolla

Elsa Jay

(1): QuantumQuasar

Not Voting

(8): Jamelia, UltimatePlank, eth0s, Non Imh, Yiley, dsjstr, EeveeLution Army, ar98mubarik

With 50 alive, it takes 26 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-03-22 10:04:00)

[Black Ranger]

Show me where pls, when I find-on-page 'vig' in your iso I'm not seeing it

I claimed TPR then argued with Insomnia about whether there was any good reason to assume I was SK. I'm a vig, but I never so much as crumbed it, threatened anyone with death or said I'd shoot anyone, no matter how much I'd love to have said that in the hood. This is verifiable.

And yes, vig is not an important role in this game. You can argue that vig is a powerful role, but in this game I have/had no trust that I'd get a good kill off especially when I'm operating all pre-flip. I'm going to get one opportunity to kill somebody before I'm killed or lynched. See: insomnia setting up d2. In this context taking the L and giving people permission to give their best vote on me was worth more than this one kill.

[Black Ranger]

and that's why a jackal lynch is still worse than lynching me which is sad because the people on the jackal wagon aren't the worst slots but they are looking bad for piling onto jackal for the second time

[Black Ranger]

Stop crapping on your slot.

[Black Ranger]

Stop crapping on your slot.

So you have him as lock-scum ?

Compare 2961 to 2748 and 2982.

That's his lynch worth fighting for.

Don't call it a good post. It's a post made to run the town off a cliff.

[Black Ranger]

If I'm not mistaken, there is a theory regarding that player's slot.

He only has 1 post and received no prod and was not mentioned for replacement.

Oh, so the theory is he was posting in the scum PT and so didn't need a prod/replacement. Wierd.

Precisely.

It would be a critical thinking failure to not factor in the public information of Nero's hood and the fact that, you know, Jackal is a member of it. Did KM/Nero ever answer whether Jackal posted there? If anyone cares about the Jackal lynch this is the clincher you should go for, but then the question is

WHY DO I CARE ABOUT YOUR LYNCH MORE THAN YOU

. Which is the definition of a shit wagon.

[Black Ranger]

No you’re not gonna make me ask.

I looked it up and you should honestly just self-vote for even wanting to make a joke like that.

This is surreal lmfao

this isn't a nazi imageboard please use quotes if it's not obvious who you are responding to

[Black Ranger]

I would like you to reformulate this post, I didn't understand it.

1. The assumption is that Jackal hasn't been replaced because he's posting in a scum PT
2. Jackal is a member of Nero's neighbourhood. Public knowledge ~post 1200 or so.
3. KM/Nero have yet to verify whether Jackal has posted in the hood.
4. You could assume based on KM's vote that Jackal hasn't, but Nero has been bearish on the wagon, so anyone wanting Jackal based on this should want more information.
5. If I have to constantly bring up the necessity of this extra information or how the people making the original case did not care enough about the game to know that Jackal was in a hood the conclusion is that the wagon is being pushed for bad reasons.

[Black Ranger]

his reads suck, was forced into claiming his chemist read isn't a meme one. he voted chemist for something that wasn't scummy. it was a reason to vote, not something insightful about the slot. the double down proves he was trying to be serious.

see:

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

jumble come back pls

UNVOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

jumble if you're around let's talk

hi i'm around

why are you only interacting with stuff directly relating to you

I find this portion of Chemist ISO hilarious.

VOTE: Chemist1422

So I wonder if there are scum in the naked vote sheeple?

Is this a real question? I'd be real surprised if all the scumz were among the active growd.
How ya feel about lynching chemist?
dude has meta for getting paralyed as scum, and the little content that he does have is scummy.
I mean if we just wanna get

something

to the noose, then sure, let's listen to a second-hand report from drizz, it's not like the most horrible of all options.
if we wanna lynch scum however, we should:
VOTE: Chemist1422

He posted nothing between these posts. Common thread: he was in the middle of getting wagoned in the first one. By the second post people were consolidating on me (from like, 3 to 20 votes in the past half dozen pages), but he was still seen as viable as seen by the NK15 vote earlier on the same page. Tictac later proceeded to blank vote nk15, chemist again, jackal and myself. Seems survivalistic in that he didn't want to put himself out there to vote me even though he obviously wanted to, but once everyone else piled on for bad reasons he felt safe to join the fun.

[Black Ranger]

tictac wagon looks stinky af LOL

Name and shame!

[Black Ranger]

Not impressed with BR's other posts on pg. 95 either

which ones do you have problems with

also

If you want me to explain my reads, you can always just ask. I'm not going to post unprompted thought dumps in a 50-player game, especially when most of the thoughts I have on Sausa have been repeated by other players. What do you think of the other players who didn't "mention why" they voted Sausa?

Reminder that NK15 started the Saus wagon and this guy never commented on their NK15 read. Elsa could be scum but lazy reads like this piss me off.

No one should be deterred from joining a wagon because another scumread voted for it in a multiball game

Stop meming with this LAMIST "but muh multiball is different". You aren't going into why NK15 is independently scummy from Saus. You could have a scumread on him

because

it's multiball, but this isn't some magical spell to eject yourself from any responsibility. You had a reason and you have been hard dodging.

I would also lynch Elsa Jay, bob, or NK15 today

[Black Ranger]

How do you figure the bolded? The Elsa thing I pointed out was by far the scummiest trajectory in his ISO. If you want an holistic case on Elsa, it's that the dude is obviously not even trying to scumhunt.

If that's the scummiest post in Elsa's iso you should consider them clueless town

Elsa's scumminess is just from making dumb posts see this vote, pl so our investigatives don't get shot, masonry, etc. I called them scumsiding because it's off the wall content that doesn't stick and I'm sure they don't really care either. I'm not convinced they're scumhunting either but I don't think that's much of a problem.

That was frankly a semi meme vote to show my exasperation of knowing this game will get tedious later. I'm still trying to get an imformative lynch, believe it or not.

They're just trying to get people to play the game and not trying to look good while doing it. Back the fuck off.

[Black Ranger]

Am I still on the leading wagon?

If you were Amrun would have voted you

[Black Ranger]

Time to put my pants back on?
I think it is.
VOTE: Jackal711

Reminder that we should lynch tictac because I'm not reversing the order of kills. Lynch will guarantee the flip.

This is his lynch worth fighting for. He has nothing in the tank. There's nothing to contribute because he has a high probability of being dead by the next day. Tictac is hoarding information like an irl scum hoards toilet paper. He doesn't want to share anything that might spew alignments.

[Black Ranger]

Also, I can't really understand what BR is saying sometimes

what posts are you having trouble with?

[Black Ranger]

Scum Titus may not lurk but she does coast

[Black Ranger]

1) I was phone posting and immediately tried to start shit with insomnia when the game went to night.

2) I didn't quote his 3318 because the thread was locked.

3) Insomnia was speculating on my scumplay, so I felt like he was metaing me. I asked him who my main was. He never answered and went aggressive. That isn't a pro-town meta argument.

4) I'm apparently super good at scum and so bad that I would slip in a hood pt.

5) If I was slipping I wouldn't be asking about who my main was.

There's the slip.

Anyways, insomnia and drixx were baiting me into shooting between them all night. I didn't blink. I did my job regardless of who believes me.

I think it's likely that there's bulletproof groupscum just by how the hood went last night.

VOTE: Insomnia

I'll be back to 1v10 later.

[Black Ranger]

I shot Jackal. See the comment about not blinking in the face of provocation, doing my job.

Drixx is either scum or fakeclaiming. He spent the night complaining about dying rather than elaborating on hus wolfy generic SS scumread (though the entirety of the active hood SRs him I felt Drixx was just making an anti associative, SvS.) I posted reads on damn near a third of the players with nothing in response besides Fonz freaking out at my read on him.

[Black Ranger]

I counterclaim odd night vig. I crumbed it twice.

VOTE: Drixx

See my line about only getting one shot before I'm lynched too. Post numbers later

[Black Ranger]

This is also part if why I hard townread Elsa before tictac flip but they have towb equity outside of what I thought waa softing

[Black Ranger]

Drixx is claiming my role. He is NO longer fakeclaiming to get shot. Otherwise he would have claimed full vigilante like I did.

He legitimately believes I'm second scum or SK. This slot goes with me.

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: Black Ranger

[Black Ranger]

There's going to be none if this ignore me shit. I've been ignored in the hood all game. I'm cosplaying Shoshin now.

[Black Ranger]

huh cool just before i was about to unvote and vote drixx, nice

[Black Ranger]

@Titus/@Nor: We are not moving away from BR because of his TPR claim. We are moving off him because he gave reads in a manner that looked more town-motivated than not when he thought he was already hammered.

I don't believe that. I feel it's a convenient excuse. TPR is not a claim.

I claimed vig sweet pea

In the same post that I mentioned I may have pr told in the hood with the "hidden scum / no hood playerlist" thought.

Claimed, three posts later

@Titus/@Nor: We are not moving away from BR because of his TPR claim. We are moving off him because he gave reads in a manner that looked more town-motivated than not when he thought he was already hammered.

I don't believe that. I feel it's a convenient excuse. TPR is not a claim.

I claimed vig sweet pea

In the same post that I mentioned I may have pr told in the hood with the "hidden scum / no hood playerlist" thought.

Good. Vig me tonight. I don't want to live in this world.

odd post

I never said anything in the game thread about nero besides that whole, "drixx said i was defending him [nero cain] in the hood but i changed my mind when i realized that i was dumb and found the comment to be scummy instead" post. The implication that if anyone thought I was hard promoting nero as scum in the game thread it would mean a hood leak.

Either that, or nero thinks I'd shoot his partner.

Something like that.

It was odd to say that unprompted.

Threw it in there again even though I don't make neutral sounding comments like something being "odd". I've used "bizarre" in this thread and in the hood and it's always been a shot across the deck to get somebody to respond.

Drixx claimed my role. Why? Because he legitimately believes I'm scum.

So since we're setup speculating here:

Red, Blue, {Odd/Even night Vig}, SK

i'm an Odd-night vig. If he was fakeclaiming to get shot, he would have claimed full vig. After being CCed, he moved to JOAT. Which can still be a scum role by the way.

Drixx is claiming my role. He is NO longer fakeclaiming to get shot. Otherwise he would have claimed full vigilante like I did.

He legitimately believes I'm second scum or SK. This slot goes with me.

There's some major cognitive dissonance going on here. Either you were thinking I was fake claiming to draw fire or you were thinking I'm scum. You also misrepped the hood and claimed everyone in there is expressing scum read on me. You're all over the place here.

And for the record ... I'm a JOAT. I never claimed explicitly, although I was trying to give a posited odd-night Vig some cover. And I absolutely did try and draw fire last night. I wonder why. Well no ... I don't wonder why. I know. You wonder why.

BR is trying to 1v1 here to try and wriggle out of the noose a 2nd time, and it's not going to happen. There's no explanation for the slip in the PT. Every post he made trying to say it was in response to some post in the game thread just made it seem even more bizarre. Like ... his next defense after "You can't quote locked threads" was "Why would I ask a teammate about who they think my main is?" ... there was no question in his slip though. It was instructions.

[Black Ranger]

Blaming Nero for being the only loud voice isn't fair.

He was thinking critically about the game. People were lying, and defending liars with no real evidence. That's scummy. Writing people off as self resolving is only useful if they tell you their alignment. If scum claim a role like loud bodyguard it's because they're happy to crawl through the game for as long as you give them. Why would you play that game? The sooner you flip them the better information you have to flip everybody else.

The alternative would have been to listen to Alyssa who was finding scum, probably because she thought about why KM was killed. The issue is that she was being supported by both scum teams into making a town lynch. Alyssa's plan wasn't exactly fun, either, but it would have gotten Jamelia if the town committed to the plan.

Elsa & KM played well, rest of the scum were obvious fence sitters that would have scumtold the moment they activated themselves and made a play.

[Black Ranger]

Or, you know, people could have towned up and rather than talk Nero down talk him and anyone willing to listen up and into something else. That's harder and takes more effort than shitting on Nero's play.