BooneyToonz UPick: Boon There, Done That [END]

[Michael Scott]

[Michael Scott]

When I saw Wooper replace in:

[Michael Scott]

BTW - Volxen will be busy af for a couple of weeks at least, treat any unsigned posts which aren't walls as Auro.

[Michael Scott]

Does Corona make your tootsies hurt?

Yeah, I'll have to make a trip to Crentist the Dentist sometime soon.

[Michael Scott]

Didn't The Fonz also say there was some hidden/unexplained part in his role?

[Michael Scott]

Spoiler: Full Roleclaim

[Michael Scott]

At least if not a benefit, something to neutralize / something that makes it not as bad as it seems?
Because I feel claiming it gives him ++town equity and why lynch a townslot because we fear it?

[Michael Scott]

Titus, no strongish scumreads?

[Michael Scott]

The Fonz, what do you think about Mechanic?

[Michael Scott]

VOTE: Kakegurui Addicts

[Michael Scott]

Why? I thought they seemed townie?

Read their posts again? Dunn walling with reasonable content isn't exactly town-indicative, neither head has been participating in the game really, and I don't like their Vecna vote either.

[Michael Scott]

it's the corona.

Spoiler:

[Michael Scott]

Krazy sheeping me??

[Michael Scott]

Yeah Auro always busses amirite

[Michael Scott]

My gut says Auro isn't town

If you can explain your gut feeling I'd appreciate it.
In TM you misread me and in the Mini Normal you called me town and then scum after a while, so how would you read me this game?

[Michael Scott]

That should be spread for free to every citizen.

I can't wait for the day I actually try alcohol and get buzzed and come drunkpost on MS!

[Michael Scott]

Nancy do you wanna help me bus as well?

[Michael Scott]

Drew tried to get me mislynched because typos

What? Because of typos? Wtf lol

[Michael Scott]

jjh you were actively solving on Page 5 but somewhere along the middle that just... stopped: why?

[Michael Scott]

and hey, after all, we can just assume that if scum haven't killed him by day 4 that he's confscum because otherwise the scumbutts would be afraid of him solving the game!!!!!

Now that I have Volxen scum had BETTER be scared :3

[Michael Scott]

we been thru too much shit at htis opint

"htis"
"opint"

Look at how Krazy managed to invert the first two letters in CONSECUTIVE words.
He's clearly trying to signal something to his scumpartners by cleverly disguising typos in his ""drunk"" posting.

Flash lynch him and then give me my paragon nom pronto. Thanks and see you.

[Michael Scott]

@jj: Look at your ISO and you tell me Didn't say you weren't posting, I used the word "solving".
Have you been townhunting then? Any new townreads since Vecna/KK/me?

[Michael Scott]

Drinking and falling asleep sounds pretty nice though.

[Michael Scott]

What? I've got the opposite. I don't see anything town in The Fonz/BTE's posts, and I'm beginning to townread George.

Townreads are 4 of the 5 top posters

So? This is disingenuous, especially considering you seem to townread them as well.

[Michael Scott]

Have you rechecked your Role PM this game?

Yes.
If this weren't a Booney U-Pick I would've scumread your ass for role-fishing btw

[Michael Scott]

Apologies - V/LA for a day.

[Michael Scott]

VOTE: BooneyTunzExpert

-Vecna said he'd not be posting till Monday/Tuesday so his "not answering" in the last 1 day is not scummy
-He's still likely town and feels like a comfortable spot to sit on instead of scumhunt
-I'm liking The Fonz
-Booneytunz asking a mechanics-strong player a mech question and then saying he

has

to TR him for the response:
-Booneytunz' recent pop-in bad
-Davesaz is also a good push

Can go into more details after a few hours.

[Michael Scott]

@BTE: I think he's still town, it's annoying he doesn't want to bother answering any questions towards him but whatever.

What I find problematic is people complaining about having no better slots to push while voting Vecna. Like sure lynch him at deadline if he's still the "least bad" option, what prevents you from scumhunting or forming other wagons elsewhere in the meantime?

[Michael Scott]

Daykill?

I’m upset you didn’t take the “That’s what she said” bait

[Michael Scott]

While RCE's stances on my slot were kinda awkward I don't see it as a pocketing attempt; I don't believe RCE actually believes that would pocket me

[Michael Scott]

I don't think jjh should be a target, GB/KK makes more sense - KK already claimed miller, so is there a reason not to target KK?

[Michael Scott]

I've

arbitrarily

decide Michael Scott is town

Note the bolded

[Michael Scott]

I still have never gotten an answer as to why MS is so trusted.

[Michael Scott]

Why do you townread Davesaz though? I don't see it.

[Michael Scott]

Join the wagon!

[Michael Scott]

BEF you're BooneyTunzExpert? lol

[Michael Scott]

@BTE: I think he's still town, it's annoying he doesn't want to bother answering any questions towards him but whatever.

Thanks. But what questions are you talking about? I try to answer everything but I must have missed it.

(I also asked you a question that you didnt answer 1385)

I was talking to you about RCE. And that was the answer to 1385 lol

[Michael Scott]

Lol BEF you being in the game makes it MUCH funnier for me!

[Michael Scott]

he is being highely active

I feel I've been pretty meh on the activity front especially in the recent few pages, this is a surprising statement.
the worst should be having a read on me by now, no? He isn't townreading me?

[Michael Scott]

Pagetop!

[Michael Scott]

Knowing it's BEF explains a lot of his shiz but I don't mind lynching him anyway lol

[Michael Scott]

RCEnigma do you know who the heads of Michael Scott are?

[Michael Scott]

What did you hear about the infamous Michael Scott hydra?

[Michael Scott]

Yes she meant Wisest Of All Time.

[Michael Scott]

Ooh so I was right about Dunnstral! Nice.

[Michael Scott]

I don't think it's a coincidence that Vecna is claiming to have got an item at the halfway mark in the day

What's your implication?

[Michael Scott]

Ooh Conflict Resolution time!

So do you guys want to do lose-lose, lose-win, win-lose, compromise, or win-

win

-win?

[Michael Scott]

Nancy! I'll set some context for RCE's behaviour around me.
He explicitly stated his Michael Scott was arbitrary - he was just throwing out a townread based on next to nothing (one post that was "vaguely towny") and decided to sheep onto BTE as a starting point.
Yes, it looks awkward, but he admitted it wasn't a serious read by any means. Is it really scummy to do that? If anything, I see it as pro-town to start off sheeping a wagon, no?
Fine - you said you don't want to be reminded of Almost50, and I'm sure RCE will respect that. He simply meant he would be A50 in the sense that he's pushing you, and obviously not that he would be toxic to you in that way.

RCE, why did you write Nancy off as scum for misunderstanding your play? She's not immune from misunderstanding things that way and has done it plenty before - I don't know why it's likelier to have come from scum. And Nancy like always throws meta challenges ("my play is so obviously different from <scumgame> and so obviously similar to <towngame>") so that's not scum indicative either. I was townleaning her off some early game stuff, it's weird that you conclude she's "so scum" just from that misunderstanding.

Nancy, I was actually happy at how you had handled Chk earlier. I would appreciate it if you gave everyone maximum benefit of doubt. I would appreciate it if you didn't treat anyone who scumread you as a WOAT. I don't feel it's "obvious" that you're town here by play, I think your scumgame is pretty damn good - your winrate as scum should speak for itself, no?

[Michael Scott]

You're likely biased to some degree in how you evaluate your own play.
It's very possible that RCE sees something which you don't in your play - instead of attacking him over it directly, you should try to understand what exactly he means, and then debate that instead.
If RCE's talking out of his ass, it'll be obvious when you make him explain.
I'm sure RCE won't bring up A50 again.

[Michael Scott]

These conversations are why I hate meta. Can we agree that regardless of who scumreads whom that we're all good peopke?

Yes! The objective is to have fun.

[Michael Scott]

Have you even read that game, Auro? A50 never pushed me - not in the sense of sr me. He “pushed” me by insinuating I was dumb, insane and he threatened my dead parents, then called my late mom an “asshole”. It was at the very least, extremely insensitive for RCE to have invoked him in that context. I strongly advise you to do an ISO check of exactly what A50 said to me and honestly tell me, I’m over reacting to this.

I have read parts of that. A50 was undoubtedly toxic.
But I can guarantee you that RCE wasn't referring to any of that.
I'm only saying you're over-reacting to what you feel is RCE's implications here, when there are none really. Get what I mean?

[Michael Scott]

Now, let's get to lynching scum.

VOTE: Davesaz

Choo choo!

[Michael Scott]

Yes, any of those is possible. Maybe he did observe something in your play that matches your play here, with an incorrect conclusion.
Talk it through with him - work together and figure out the root of it. If it's so obviously different and he's making stuff up, town will see.

[Michael Scott]

Nancy, read Dave's ISO - tell me what scumhunting he has done.

I see a lot of mechanics posts and that was a large part of his Vecna push.

If you read 1540 and think I'm scum then...

VOTE: Conspire

His only other push is a ridiculous OMGUS. He's also been evading actually answering questions about who he wants to lynch, etc.

[Michael Scott]

Hostility and calling people assholes is toxic. Go read for yourself?

[Michael Scott]

I'm not going to paste quotes here and bring up that stuff, I don't think this is a productive discussion, and clearly it's best to stop talking about it given how Nancy feels about it.
Just go to page 180 of the game here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=4550.
If you want to talk further, maybe later in postgame.

[Michael Scott]

Chk, why not Dave?

[Michael Scott]

I took a look at your ISO and while you do agree he's lacking in content, you say that's his town game - have you seen him play scum before?
This sort of "do nothing much" style seems incredibly easy to stand behind.

[Michael Scott]

They're voting Davesaz, great

Their attack on you at the time was on the basis of you being called "underwhelming" by other people - that seems like a perfectly valid reason (at that time), why do you think that's scummy in particular?

I feel like they're underwhelming and Dunn's walls aren't that impressive, they're a good push by the same metric lol

[Michael Scott]

I thought being holed up at home would give me more time for mafia but somehow it's ending up having the opposite effect.
Hating this >.>

[Michael Scott]

Cool, can give Dave time.
Fonz, I don't think sheeping someone else's reason is scum indicative at all, but I see your points regarding the rest - yeah, expecting you to *answer* that sort of attack feels empty. We can lynch them

[Michael Scott]

I don't want to read this
Chk they're more likely town from other stuff, leave claim aside, as jjh said. Any chance you can just ignore them?

If I scumread Nancy and was pushing her I'd just ignore her slot, no offense Nancy

[Michael Scott]

Nancy just ignore him in turn please.

[Michael Scott]

One mislynch isn't a gamethrow, it's just part of the game, Nancy.

[Michael Scott]

He believes you're scum though. Please don't threaten blacklists for being scumread!

[Michael Scott]

Have you ever mislynched someone before?

[Michael Scott]

I'm calling you scum.

My next post will be a full case.

He isn't advocating a PL

[Michael Scott]

He said he thinks you're scum and he's going to case you - why are you calling that a PL?

[Michael Scott]

I'm calling you scum.

My next post will be a full case.

You don't like being told what you think, right?
You're doing the same here Nancy
He said he's scumreading you and will case you, yet you're saying he doesn't and he's policy lynching you.

[Michael Scott]

And how come you're ignoring that he could be scum pushing your lynch which would actually be +wincon for him anyway?

[Michael Scott]

I also don’t want to play with anyone who thinks it’s ever acceptable to call anyone a “floating turd”.

I can see that, I agree.
However you should realize that calling people "woats" is not very different from calling them "floating turds".

[Michael Scott]

I disagree with jjh about GB being a good lynch, I townread GB.

[Michael Scott]

@Mary give us the wallpost anyway, who cares about the disagreement? I wanna see your individual opinion.

[Michael Scott]

Woats is NOT an attack on anyone’s character

I fully understand how you mean it when you use the term, but I don't think people on the receiving end perceive it that way.

[Michael Scott]

No, and he likely won't for a couple weeks.
He has a lot of work to do because of COVID-19, he's been inactive on Discord as well.

[Michael Scott]

Giant wall posts are <3

[Michael Scott]

I mean, "worst of all time" sort of implies they're the worst of all time

[Michael Scott]

Mary, what do you think of jjh?

[Michael Scott]

I would support you Mary :3

[Michael Scott]

The claim doesn't matter

all the Nancy telling people what they should think even though it's not what people think shit doesn't matter either

That hydra is just town outside of the bullshit

@Auro, does this honestly read like a scum post to you?

It reads like a NAI post to me.

[Michael Scott]

As I said, I understand how you define it or mean it, I'm saying others wouldn't perceive it the same way and because of that it's not worth using the term.

[Michael Scott]

@Mary: What's your partner's read on me? I'll be surprised if it's not a scumread.

[Michael Scott]

Chkflip locktown :3

[Michael Scott]

And I wouldn't mediate as town?
Name a slot that isn't taking a position that Chk/VM are TvT.

[Michael Scott]

Like of all possible accusations, "only safe statements" sounds pretty lame, considering I've been pushing many slots outside Chk/VM lol

[Michael Scott]

I'd mediate as either alignment.

I think I have a couple of tells for Nancy (which I need to verify) but won't out. One of them is in her reactions towards Chk. The other in her general posting.

I'm stronger in Chk being town, though. I got some pings Nancy might have been coached.

[Michael Scott]

I don't have a positive read on Chronos. Chronos actually feels coast-y to me.

[Michael Scott]

I remember they were mechanics related, but have to search through 3 pages of ISO >.>

[Michael Scott]

I'll dig them up if I suspect her of being scum.

Can talk about any other slot.

[Michael Scott]

@sore feet: Not coached in the classical sense of how to frame posts, etc, but I felt like she had a discussion about mechanics at some point given the sense of clarity I was getting from her.
Usually as town I've seen her be a lot more unsure about mechanical elements.

[Michael Scott]

Nancy is now going to shout at me

[Michael Scott]

Those were weak pings, and I have a bunch of reasons to townread her.
I think a lot of slots here could've coached her.
Could be that she simply discussed things with her hydra partner too.

It's weird you ask me that question when I said I'm townreading her.

[Michael Scott]

giving Auro's character

What is my character as town?

[Michael Scott]

I will concede that I've not been thinking much about this game, I am "coasting" in a certain sense in that I'm doing things without really paying much attention.
Conviction is something I can easily fake as scum, the lack of it at this stage of the game shouldn't be AI.

I was nearly mislynched as part of the *same* hydra for similar reasons in a previous game, btw.

[Michael Scott]

I probably imagine you don't give up an attempt to wagon someone that easily as you did early on.

You haven't noticed that I was treating a lot of my pushes similarly this game? I've been <creating wagons - seeing what happens - move to another> pretty rapidly.
Your assessment of me is accurate, but not at this point of the game - it often happens a while later in games.
Is WF what you're basing this off of?

[Michael Scott]

scum being scared of being caught for the wrong reasons

If I had a dollar every game someone attacked me for this, I'd be having as many dollars as the games I've played.
Aaaaand no; I said a couple of pages ago I expected Dunnstral to be scumreading me - it was for these reasons.

[Michael Scott]

Who do you think is a *good* push that isn't me?
Why is Dave a bad push?

[Michael Scott]

Do you townread jjh?

[Michael Scott]

[Michael Scott]

So you don't get the impression jjh is coasting?

[Michael Scott]

The gamestate Nancy is actively creating is one where most discussion gets drowned out and Nancy gets lynched at eod

That is not coached scum or powerscum or most varieties of scum

It's like you didn't read my clarification on what I meant by "coaching".

[Michael Scott]

I like George, no energy to case right now.

[Michael Scott]

She means you're definitely not SvS; if George is scum you're town and if George is town she'll reconsider you (Either SvT or TvT).

[Michael Scott]

Auro head. Volxen isn't gonna post for another week and a half.

[Michael Scott]

I played against scum!you in VG, which game are you talking about?

[Michael Scott]

Oh Apocalypse? Right. Forgot

[Michael Scott]

I think you were playing the game in Apocalypse. You faked a post restriction for a good part of D1 and then began not-coasting IIRC.
Also, I don't believe PRs should "intentionally coast" anyway.

[Michael Scott]

"Coaching" was probably the wrong word to use, I felt you had discussed things about your role before writing some posts. I'm used to seeing a transparent thought process from scratch from you as town, so that was a very slight ping.

I'm not referring to any other sense of the word coaching. Besides, I knew you were going to shout at me for saying it. Like wifom aside, if I'm so strategic and planned as scum what would saying that even gain me?

Searching will be a pain and I wish I marked them somehow, but I put so less stock into them that I think it's useless right now - if y'all are still that interested I can track them down later.

[Michael Scott]

What's interesting is Sore Feet taking that "coaching" comment which I said was weak and that I was townreading VM pretty strongly, and then asked me why I wasn't voting VM.

That's a weird misrep and empty question.

The funnier thing is - I was voting BTE, I said let's wagon KA, but I never moved my vote there. Looking back I've sorta been inconsistent a lot in the game, so it's scummy for SF to pick up *this instance* which isn't even inconsistent.

[Michael Scott]

My role in this game isn’t super complicated and I don’t know why you’d think I was being coached about it, when I literally had the exact same role in LNT.

I know it isn't, but I think there was some spec about other roles from you given your own role?

[Michael Scott]

That's understandable.
I do always say I'm waiting for the day I'm scum and you're town and I mislynch you, no?

[Michael Scott]

Also, I'm actually very sure scum would, and is trying to pocket you especially after you outed your role, remember how the gifts helped scum a LOT in Extravaganza?

[Michael Scott]

VOTE: Sore Feet
Baa baa

[Michael Scott]

Oh lol dude. No. You misinterpreted tw greatly.
He meant that AS SCUM you'd be powerscum, as in you would never be coached even if you rolled scum. He isn't saying you're powerscum this game

[Michael Scott]

No, I think RCE is town and even otherwise, I like the dude enough not to want to lynch him.

I don't think anyone ever pushes you thinking you're an easy mislynch when a bunch of other powertown slots are calling you town, Nancy. The only reason a push would make sense is if people are trying to get townread off it after reacting tk your own reaction to it.

RCE's holding conviction in his read and he's actually engaging with other people to see why they believe you're town. It doesn't look like someone empty pushing you and doing nothing else.

[Michael Scott]

@Dave: I had exactly one reply to Nancy about coaching and that was because she still misinterpreted what I was trying to imply ("I wouldn't have two votes on me now") etc. Sure, one more that I don't think her role is complicated.

And the other one where I reference coaching is part of an attack on Sore Feet, so I don't see how it's as fluffy as you're calling it?

[Michael Scott]

Wrt to Sore Feet, Xtoxm’s AtE to me at the beginning of the game, sounded really townie. Do you think he would do that as scum?

I think to an extent AtE is not too difficult to fake and the payoff is high as I said, as people tend to townread AtE easily.

[Michael Scott]

@Fonzie: She picked literally the same role as in a previous game and got it, and it's also a +town role if she gets her picks right. It's totally plausible she sees this as obvious town.

[Michael Scott]

Sure. You wanna join on SF? Or do you townread them?

[Michael Scott]

yeah i didnt quite pick up on this so my bad
you jumping down my throat over it seems kinda out of whack

I explained why it was problematic even then.

[Michael Scott]

Note that I'm not arguing it can't be, I'm saying I can see why Nancy thought it would be.

[Michael Scott]

This seems like a really easy mislynch on newb!town to me, guys.

Exactly. GB's tone is pretty fine.

Chk, can you stash the whole Nancy thing for the day? I think Nancy's town and while I see your case, a large part of it is just how Nancy plays.

[Michael Scott]

Nom, what did you make of Fonz' reasons to scumread KA?

[Michael Scott]

First days are for making flip controversial slots in priority.

Go ahead and tell us your reasoning for GB!scum apart from that your heart wants you to go there.
I think you're saying he's polarized because some people want to lynch him and others don't, making it a useful information lynch - why will this not apply to lurkers?
Even if you wagoned KA, there will be some who join and some who don't, etc.

[Michael Scott]

If I wasn't voting you I'd consider voting someone lik Chkflip up

Because they were "posting controversially"? Or is there any scumread involved?
If so, detail

[Michael Scott]

I wish Michael Scott was my boss

[Michael Scott]

{jjh, nomnomnom, Davesaz} seem like a bloc of people conveniently just townreading each other without any solid reasons.

[Michael Scott]

A large part of my case was about how Nancy is well aware of her town meta and is using that to her advantage in this game

She's of course aware of her town meta! But when she's trying to fake it she leaves a few tells.

[Michael Scott]

@Nom: JJH has many strong townreads, yet no "true" scumreads - is there something wrong with JJH?
Krazy Kat has sorta just been sheeping me around and stated multiple times there's no great lynch - and finally voted you without much explanation. Is there something wrong with Krazy Kat?
Why are they not more controversial than GeorgeBailey?

A lot of slots don't quite have strong/"true" scumreads. Attacking him over his reads list is meh.

You don't only produce reactions from the slot you're voting for - you produce reactions from the rest of the game towards the wagon.

[Michael Scott]

I feel like there is a disconnect between nom's stated "Lynch controversial slots" rationale and the choice of George as their lynch target.

Exactly!

[Michael Scott]

Active?

[Michael Scott]

Even with your clarification on what you mean by "controversial" George feels like a *meh* slot in the sense that none of his interactions are strong spew, no?

[Michael Scott]

Like sure - as an exercise, assume George already flipped one way or the other and try sorting his interactions?

[Michael Scott]

Nom made a character judgment on me that as town, I tend to push wagons with a lot of conviction and don't easily move off them.

While she's partially correct, that's not the mode I'm in D1 without a strong scumread myself. I've blatantly been moving between different wagons without thinking too much, and haven't really presented much conviction for any of them - note that I wasn't really casing people, I just threw a couple of reasons and tried to get people to wagon.

She ignored that I said I nearly got mislynched along similar lines before in the same hydra account.

She also doesn't seem too interested in judging how I play scum.

[Michael Scott]

This is exactly this kind of post that makes me think you're scum.

Sheeping isn't scum indicative. If anything, sheeping and increasing wagon size is pro-town.

[Michael Scott]

Chronos hasn't attempted to pursue any of his scumreads. I wouldn't really call that conviction.

Yes! Please review his interactions with Titus and VM early game. Tell me what you think.

[Michael Scott]

I feel like "solvey" posts are pretty easy to write as scum.
As scum I simply appear all solvey and then fake a degree of conviction (wall-posts etc) and get widely townread.

As town generally it's more difficult to come off as solvey when no one's standing out at scum, and all your leads are weak and conclusions end up near nulls at best.

[Michael Scott]

Ughhhh homework. Lol I'll read through them in the morning if you give me a starting point.

You're a school student? I thought you'd be a university student or older haha.

[Michael Scott]

Oh damn how could I misinterpret that

[Michael Scott]

Start this page: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11659182

[Michael Scott]

I wish Michael Scott was my boss

Know you prolly meant the character but still gonna sig this after the game

[Michael Scott]

His casing and conviction on Nancy!scum also comes off as very genuine. As does RCE's to me.

[Michael Scott]

But I'm talking about their conviction that Nancy is scum - that would have to be faked. If they were advocating a lynch on Nancy for being *anti-town* then yes, but Chk actually believes Nancy is scum imitating her town meta.

[Michael Scott]

Oh my. Nancy can you please just ignore Chk completely? Like I can see why he's feeling frustrated. He agreed to set you aside for now at least.

Well nothing is town indicative then because scum have done everything under the sun. Also I didn't say wagoning is necessarily town indicative, it's just pro-town. And contexts are different - town should have hopped off you after wagoning instead of sitting on it and mislynching.

[Michael Scott]

Dude no one else apart from chk and RCE are expressing intent to lynch you, this is way too much of an overreaction.

[Michael Scott]

I know and with all love Nancy, it makes the game un-fun when you react to people scumreading you that way.

[Michael Scott]

I do think in a vacuum some of your behaviour can be construed as scummy, to someone who hasn't seen you do these things as town before. Ask your hydra partner about it, they'll agree.

Chkflip isn't stupid. He's not reading you right, sure - but he's not being dumb.

What do you think of Nom?

[Michael Scott]

Page 100 Pagetop!

[Michael Scott]

Yes @Auro, I don’t take kindly to players who both A) cherry pick games to back up their confibias on me and blatantly ignore evidence that contradicts it and B) intentionally persists in misrepping my posts. Do you really not understand why I’m so furious with chk and are you still going to wrongly accuse me of “overreacting” here?

OK let's do this as an exercise - how is your play from that game different from your play this game?

[Michael Scott]

@Titus:

@jjh: And what do you think a scum!nom catchup would've looked like?
Like "took us away from the shitfest, interesting takes on slots" seems like a low bar for townreading Nom, when the takes themselves are meh.

[Michael Scott]

Like sure - as an exercise, assume George already flipped one way or the other and try sorting his interactions?

Even with your clarification on what you mean by "controversial" George feels like a *meh* slot in the sense that none of his interactions are strong spew, no?

I said that his interactions with BTE left me with a really bad impression.
Can you go back and check his interactions with the slot? Perhaps you'll see what I mean. I'd show people but the thing is that I feel I'm someone who is VERY bad at explaining my train of thought, and as town it just comes back to eat my ass everytime. Maybe it's better if we do it this way.

I see George moving to BTE after I launched a wagon on BTE, deciding that he didn't wanna lynch RCE.
Then I saw him moving off BTE after BTE outed because other people were townreading BTE.

This feels... normal?

[Michael Scott]

Generally, repeating shit other people are saying and quoting for agreement rather than looking at posts and finding new things to respond to

That's not me thinking about a scum!nom catchup in particular, just about scummier catchups and why by contrast nom's catchup is towny

Still think that's a low bar to *townread* anyone half competent

[Michael Scott]

Titus - are you still team-speccing right now? What association solves do you have right now?

[Michael Scott]

I still feel something was off in the you, chkflip, Chronos interactions.

That teamsolve is terribly outdated and there have been many interactions since then, it's weird you didn't form any associative reads since then, no?

[Michael Scott]

Read the next sentence and paragraph. Something is off =/= you are the exact team.

I wasn't attacking you over the {Chk/Auro/Chronos} teamsolve, I'm saying it's weird that you were quick to jump on that particular team based on interactions and ignore the many interactions between other slots that happened later in game, even if people are lurking.

[Michael Scott]

You tr'd me D1 in Chain of Command and I was scum, no?

[Michael Scott]

VOTE: Nomnomnom

Choo choo

[Michael Scott]

towncase on george from the people who aren't voting him

gut

[Michael Scott]

You guys really don't think there's a better wagon than me? Really??
If I flip town what are you guys going to do lol my flip literally says nothing about who is scum, it's a stupid wagon
Just please there's a ton of content and you guys decide to vote a slot with one catchup with 3 days left!!!!
urgh
It's so stupid I literally always end up scumread on d1 as town, literally every single time

Hmm I actually think I buy this AtE
I feel like the same applies to GB. I think he's town, what will his flip say about who is scum? You asked to look at his BTE interactions and I posted about that, you ignored it

Wanna wagon KA?

[Michael Scott]

VOTE: Kakegurui Addicts

[Michael Scott]

Cause I want you to stop the whole "I'm so obviously town if you read my town games also, I'm out of my scumrange" argument you've had a streak of 8 scum wins, no?

I think you're strongly town. I have my own tells for you.

[Michael Scott]

@Krazy I don't mind the sheeping at all lol :3, I was prolly referring it in a context of someone else having inconsistent reads

[Michael Scott]

Someone asked why KA:
Their posts were reasonable but not really impressive (Dunn usually has stronger stances that he pushes), promises to post but lack of follow-up, and the pop-in to say Chk/Nancy is TvT is bad too.

[Michael Scott]

Wait RCE did you play against scum!me before?

[Michael Scott]

It was. The one where I lolhammered Elsa Jay? Loooooool

[Michael Scott]

Did you do your homework RCE?

[Michael Scott]

I was curious when you said I could be deepwolfing

[Michael Scott]

The worst has towntells for me, he often figures out my alignment pretty early in game.
Do you think I have a small scumrange?

[Michael Scott]

@Chk who do you wanna lynch, I'll sheep ya

[Michael Scott]

m e t a i s t r a s h

3 days. We haven't really consolidated very well tbh.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... is_Garbage

[Michael Scott]

No I'm not gonna sheep if it's Nancy

[Michael Scott]

Trust the deepwolf, bud

[Michael Scott]

No u

[Michael Scott]

Sore Feet?

[Michael Scott]

Actually, just vote KA, bunch of us already there

[Michael Scott]

chronos frustration is coming from that

I think "scum caught for the wrong reasons" is a very annoying stance to take. What differentiates that from town being frustrated at bad reasoning?

[Michael Scott]

I think town would have focused more on the personal scumread instead of pushing Titus on the angle that the team was too easy and thus didn't make sense. Not that they weren't scum.

But it is true, no? It's stretched to guess an entire scumteam off a few interactions (some of which were misrepped even)
Pointing that out seems reasonable.

[Michael Scott]

No, not at all, which is why I’m slightly suspicious of you both casting doubt on me as well as claiming to strongly tr me.

So tw has towntells for me but my scumrange is high
Similarly, I have towntells for you but your scumrange is high.

Do you see me encouraging or discouraging people who want to lynch you?

[Michael Scott]

Sigh

[Michael Scott]

Not lynching RCE either

[Michael Scott]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Michael Scott]

I mean, that is sort of implied anyway, right? Like I see what you're saying but I wouldn't point it out myself first because it's a bit redundant.

[Michael Scott]

I also hardclaimed town and stand by it :3
VOTE: Toby Flenderson
Scum

[Michael Scott]

@Chk: I think Nom's frustration at being lynched often D1 is pretty townie, do you not agree?

[Michael Scott]

If she was scum I'd expect more aggression and less resignation and also some sweet chainsaws.

[Michael Scott]

Still town indicative enough not to want to lynch there.

[Michael Scott]

Her resignation wasn't a function of the amount of votes on her, but rather the strong pushes multiple slots were making at the time.

[Michael Scott]

I mean, it's not like town!her would check first for how many votes were there, right? She actually did feel bad at being wagoned that way and given her apparent history of being d1 lynched she made a resigned post.

[Michael Scott]

MS doesn’t see this is beyond me.

RCE was being cheeky
Just trust moi on him

[Michael Scott]

I had some time to re-read KA. Lots of opportunistic stuff there responding to individual posts but basically no coherent analysis and not looking around to get context.

[Michael Scott]

My expressed opinion on nomnomnom is that their pushes are weak. Easy. Latching onto George, for example

Hmm I guess. Thinking about it, I was a scumlean to her and I'd think I'm a pretty "controversial" slot by her metrics - so it's interesting she didn't push me instead/after George.

[Michael Scott]

Then join us on KA

[Michael Scott]

VOTE: KA
~4 or 5 I think

[Michael Scott]

Agree with Davesaz' last post being towny, also think the choice of targets is good. KK didn't talk about the specific interactions with loyal/disloyal, but mentioned

weak

and

desperate

.

[Michael Scott]

They were fine with you infecting them AFAIR. Have to check.

[Michael Scott]

No such thing as stupid question.

BTE had to send 3 barbs at half-day before he could post in thread, and he sent them to you, George, and The Fonz.
No one seems to know what the barbs can do, but apparently they can be sent, yes; at least one slot is sending their barb to Titus because of her role.

I don't think we know enough to form a good idea on dealing with them. Sending it to Titus seems like a fine idea.

[Michael Scott]

That slot is locktown

Can you help me see it?

[Michael Scott]

Oooooh :3

[Michael Scott]

Interesting. Id probably be fooled by that wall if he was scum and it was upto me. Those reads seemed pretty genuine.

Nah, that wall seems pretty outdated - like their wondering about BTE's wagon sort of ignores context at the time BTE was wagoned which was ages ago, looks like a last ditch effort at L-2.

[Michael Scott]

Last chance to visit my animal crossing island

I was considering getting a Switch but each game costs maaaaajor $$$ in India!