Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[popsofctown]

post 32 is a bit scummy in the way I generally find "tell me but don't show me" behavior scum indicative. VOTE: FuzzyLogic99

[popsofctown]

"glasses of the sun"?!

So cute!

Although if you want to roleplay being a lil Umbreon you should call them "Blackglasses" and envy dark attack boost

[popsofctown]

Paragon why no avi? It will make this game rougher for me if you don't have one

I don't think #25 is very alignment indicative because it draws on a mental state that came before receiving a role PM and recites it, mostly, so it's very easy to produce/make

[popsofctown]

Are you an Eve alt?

[popsofctown]

I'm a Novice Cult Leader, not a Ninja Cult Leader

[popsofctown]

Atarashi do you prefer town or scum? Or cult starting from night 3?

[popsofctown]

I'm playing the low information stage of the game, Taly. I don't quite follow your beef. You like what I've done less than, say, Y'shtola's vote on the same slot?

[popsofctown]

My best guess at town would be Conspire. They made a solvish post.

[popsofctown]

[popsofctown]

the gamestate is not stagnated enough to justify rolefishing yourself

reread the thread if you don't have something else to say

[popsofctown]

Ame!

I'm not digging into this game super easily so far.

Wiisp is becoming a townread, because of the reverse survivalism inherent in aggravating Robbnva without actually getting votes onto him (man part of me wants to abbreviate "Robbnva" but I have played with Rob14 before and that makes it feel kinda wrong?)

I sympathize with Taly scumreading my slot, he wasn't explicit about it but I sense he's fairly allocating a Burden of good player on people, likewise giving Y'shtola a pass. Y'shtola seems to play kind of scummy as town, to me, I was in the mason game, although in that game being a mason is actually surprisingly similar to being scum so I'm not sure how much that counts for. I hope she plays later.

How nasty are nomnomnom's deadline? I'm not actually minding the slow pace in terms of fun factor, but if AI needs to be to be forced out then yada yada

[popsofctown]

VOTE: Aloratum not handsome

[popsofctown]

Scum care more about getting lynched than town, generally, at least in a game with nightkills. Wiisp's actions seemed to increase his odds of Wiisp getting lynched with an aggravated Robbnva voting the wagon. Therefore, Wiisp is >rand for town.

[popsofctown]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=82266

I share your excitement for playing this game! I will allow someone other than myself to question you on your popsofctown read. I believe I have already reached my question quota for the day.

This is fishy tbh. I'll be looking at you upon her flip.

Pinging me here. Why isn't this "on her redflip"? If you are so very very positive that you see the flip as red already, why isn't it "next day phase" or even "right now" instead of after my flip? This read a bit like pantomime for this reason.
VOTE: Taly

[popsofctown]

I independently read you as scummish and Wiisp as townish, I generally avoid preflip associatives unless I feel naturally led into them because I think they're inherently bad. I'm going to decline your exercise, Taly. I could go into either read, if you like, though.

[popsofctown]

Burden of good player was a vague reference, of like, holding people to different standards for how much pro-town content they should produce. I think if I posted my iso with a different username with a February 2020 cakeday I wouldn't be wagoned. But maybe I would, I don't know.

[popsofctown]

I want to feel wanted Tali ok

[popsofctown]

She's new, so I don't think her posts are agenda-based, if she were scum, I'd also think she may be more avoidant of a direct player as yours truly.

The phrasing here really seems to TMI factors that make a behavior NAI as though they make the behavior TI.

The people I'm more suspicious of right now are

Pops

1)

Upon asking for her vote, she diverts the attention toward someone on the same wagon.

2)

She has not been present much beyond just suspecting a wagoned player, it's hard to find nuance off of her current posts.
and

Taco

1)

He was the most recent on

Fuzzy

wagon but hasn't even followed-through with the reasoning of his vote.

2)

Kind of just dismissed the votes on him.

It's a little IIoAish how 1 and 4 are just listed without being broken down into analysis. When I perceived this as playing the low information phase I didn't think it was as big of a deal but now it's clear that Taly is treating my slot with more gravitas it's concerning.
pedit: ignoring pedits

[popsofctown]

A question to popsofctown: Do you believe there are 2 or 3 scum in this game?

popsofctown, I spent part of my questioning quota to ask you this. I do hope you answer it and not let it go to waste. I would be rather upset if it did.

I am fielding a lot from a lot of people right now, suddenly X_X I thought about my answer but then got distracted.
I'd say it's 80/20 that there's probably three scum in an RC designed 12p. I suspect RC never does traitor in a 12p, if there are two scum I think they're fighting a watered down town.

[popsofctown]

I don't follow 188 at all, I have no alts.

And if you mean I have burden of good player going on, are you implying that I'm faking suspicion on you? Or that I'm SUPPOSED to have caught scum by now? Or was burden of good player a reference to you?

Pops

, I don't remember if we've ever completed a game together, and it's been months since I've started mafia again in the past couple of weeks. So I don't know how you think I'm playing effectively unless you have in-game reason to think so.

and certainly not wolfy unless maybe you squint your eyes very hard

squint your eyes, I want to see a good reason to suspect me.

I want to see more reasoning on your eyestott townread?

It is simply a genuineness/toneread. I believe him.

+1

Burden of a good player is a reference to me, I think you're giving me the third degree because I'm capable of a strong day 1. Even if you haven't played with me, people pick up on diction, the join date, etc. You can kind of tell these things. I returned to site after a break last year, I figured out who the veterans were.

I don't have high expectations on you.
UNVOTE:
My best townread says Taly is town.
VOTE: Ame
Boop

[popsofctown]

Paragon, do you agree with the notion that Robbnva is a little higher than rand to be town for not forcing content early? Or is he a little higher than rand to be scum because he should have naturally noticed some AI thingies I can't decide eugh

[popsofctown]

I'm confused about Ame

Part of me finds her scumread unreasoned and implausible

Part of me thinks he's probably biased to have me around in games and if he rolled scum and could mislynch anybody, she'd pick anybody else, but if he rolls town and develops a conviction I'm scummy then she has to follow that.

[popsofctown]

Oh wow I didn't know you could do that!
On my browser it puts a red circle with a strikethrough over his face though

[popsofctown]

Discrediting you? In one of my posts I pointed out that treating players differently for their experience is something I consider valid.

IIoAish is when you fake scumhunting by stating facts that seem poignant but don't actually explain how they make someone scum or town.

For example, why is including a vote in a post that discusses a different person scum indicative?

[popsofctown]

I do think spotlight diffusion is good

I do think you're misinterpreting my play, in general you seem to be projecting more convictions onto everything I'm doing than is due. I often like to just generally do stuff day 1 to get the game going, even if I don't have good reads or strong bases. It can often set the town up with an environment that will win even if day 1 is a mislynch. This feels like one of those games.

[popsofctown]

I moved my vote off of Fuzzy because he's pretty afk and when slots are only incrementally past randscum it's better to poke slots that can respond just to develop the game. Do you disagree with that philosophy?

[popsofctown]

Paragon, do you agree with the notion that Robbnva is a little higher than rand to be town for not forcing content early? Or is he a little higher than rand to be scum because he should have naturally noticed some AI thingies I can't decide eugh

Do you have reason to believe that he would be forcing content earlier as mafia?

It looks townish to have content to provide so there's an incentive to do it.

Every game I am involved in, it's because somebody has done something that is so blatantly scummy or somebody has lied about me.

You're wearing jeans

Faking a post restriction isn’t AI but all those antics that were pointed out is definitely weird and a little scummy.

Literally midgame selected an avatar of someone who transmogrifies blocks into goombas though

Posting restrictions are prohibited in normal games. It's either not true or a mod error and it needs to be resolved.

False dilemma (nomnomnom wouldn't make this mod error, not worth bothering to check)

Because town wouldn’t intentionally try to deceive town

No one has PTs with just the town aligned players, so why are attempts at deception necessarily targeted at other townies and not the mafia?
VOTE: Robbnva for a potential perspective slip.

I also have a post restriction to my role, but it doesn't trigger unless Y'shtola votes me.

[popsofctown]

Schnauzer might have the scummiest reaction to the post restriction, although it could be a town reaction. I wish I'd played with Persivul before

[popsofctown]

slip isn't the perfect word
but I like my reasoning
have you never deceived intentionally as town?
have you never rolled PGO
I hardclaim PGO btw

[popsofctown]

Perspective slips arent real

This might be true, I was introduced to the concept half a year or so ago and I haven't actually seen it hardconnect onto a scum yet as far as I can recall

[popsofctown]

1. Probably because we were out of RVS when I entered. Also I've been tweaking my meta from game to game. I want to move more toward a low effort style so that when I'm scum I won't have to post much.

This is awful. It is playing against wincon and you shouldn't do it.
I hyperpost as town and that makes playing scum total incendiary agony for me and I think you should suffer the same way. I try to play every game like my last

[popsofctown]

I figured out Paragon's main a couple pages ago and I have seen him lie as town in a similar fashion
so yes I don't want to stoke the dumpster fire of a really really really bad application of LAL
I say this as someone who used LAL to get a day2 lynch on a townread slot last year, but also someone who conviced a town to townbloc a player who fake-inno'ed scum. You have to actually think about incentives and motivations

[popsofctown]

don't take away my buzzwords they're all I have

[popsofctown]

I misread the statement, it wasn't a false dilemma since the post restriction is 'not true" and "needs to be resolved" wasn't attached to that possibility so nvm on that

[popsofctown]

please don't play like boon

[popsofctown]

Have you played bowser's inside story? you should play bowser's inside story

[popsofctown]

No one has PTs with just the town aligned players, so why are attempts at deception necessarily targeted at other townies and not the mafia?
VOTE: Robbnva for a potential perspective slip.

I don't believe this line of reasoning.

@dog slot could you do an analysis of pops?

wiisp has maybe talked me out of it too
saying you "don't believe the line of reasoning" is tilty phrasing if you are 11/10 that I know Robbnva's alignment
who is dog?

[popsofctown]

I also have a post restriction to my role, but it doesn't trigger unless Y'shtola votes me.

Is this true or are you being facetious?

pls no rolefish

[popsofctown]

Have you played bowser's inside story? you should play bowser's inside story

I played the first half of that recently! I'm not entirely sure why I didn't finish it; I'm pretty sure the cartridge is still in my 3DS actually. How would you rank it amongst the other Mario RPGs?

7

I liked it better than Superstar Saga, Partners and Time, and Dream Team. I don't rate any Mario and Luigi title I've played more highly than the Paper Marios or Super Mario RPG: Legend of the seven stars.

Inside Story has a slight lull in the middle. You should definitely finish it.

[popsofctown]

I'm not sure if I am townreading Robbnva for valid reasons or a sense of solidarity in wanting to policy lynch boon for playing antitown as both alignments
I think it's the first one though
I think 331 would be written more defensively as mafia

[popsofctown]

VOTE: Rabid Schnauzer

[popsofctown]

pops, dog is rabid schnauzer. I didn't know the name until your vote.

Can you state if your restriction is true or not.

Not sure if serious

[popsofctown]

Cause I’ve said many a time as town that I don’t care if I get lynched. I still fight it cause I’d rather my scum lynches get lynched but I never care about dying. Most times I welcome it.

Do you feel that way when you roll scum?

[popsofctown]

I did not mean my question in any argumentative manner, it came from a posture of curiousity
pedit: oh ok

[popsofctown]

I'm still really confused about Ame

[popsofctown]

I don't think Wimpo is Robbnva. It would break my worldview if he was.

I'm sorry you had to find out this way

[popsofctown]

Skimming that page again I feel sad that TrueSoulEnergy has namespace control for the name "Dry Bones"

[popsofctown]

I think scum is mostly in the less active players. The only one I'm townreading is Aloratum. I guess Ame kind of has a lot of scum equity and town equity at the same time and it hurts my head

[popsofctown]

Mafia is a challenging game. I think sometimes I try to verify my reads by seeing whether I can develop several different reasons to believe a slot is scum or town that, like, fits in very separate categories, instead of focusing on the intensity of how much they match a behavior I find indicative. Because the different categeories each soft reset confirmation bias.

If that makes sense.

[popsofctown]

pops do you have a posting restriction that requires Ysha to vote you?

I forget you're a site newb
Let's say that if I do there will be a ban announcement following the game and nomnomnom would need a comoderator for her next two games.

[popsofctown]

Fuzzy rolled scum this game

[popsofctown]

hi eyestott
Do you find Y'shtola's passivity scummy?

[popsofctown]

I don't think it's scum indicative for her based on Masons and Mafia. I wanted to see how you responded. I think Fuzzy's maybespeak on this page is strongly scum-indicative, though, especially because it tries to masquerade as not being maybespeak while y'shtola is more overt. Do you agree?

[popsofctown]

I'm visualizing another "Welp, not sure how that happened!" on the screen below #402 so the doubleposting is more consistent.

[popsofctown]

Pops, can you clarify whether or not you were being sarcastic when you claimed a post restriction in #290?

I wasn't being sarcastic. I will totally have a post restriction if Y'shtola votes me. It might not be because nomnomnom gave me one though

[popsofctown]

It's offensive that you don't treasure me the way I treasure you

[popsofctown]

Ame thinks I'm great and has hardvoted me and it's very confusing.

[popsofctown]

I don't know if I'm already on VOTE: Fuzzy

[popsofctown]

Mod notice

• Regarding post restrictions:
  As this is a Normal Game, Post Restrictions are explicitly

  NOT

  Normal, and as such,

  nobody has been imposed

  post restrictions of any way, shape or form.

Could you identify the maybespeak here

[popsofctown]

I misspoke, halfspeak

[popsofctown]

There is none, yet you’re claiming that you’ll have a post restriction when Yshtola votes you, even though it wasn’t enforced by the only authority in the game?
And I said halfspeak, not maybespeak

I am hardclaiming that I have a post restriction that would trigger if Yshtola was to vote me

I think it benefits the gamestate to provide this information

[popsofctown]

I guess I’m just confused as to how your posting could be actually restricted if it’s not something that nomnomnom has allowed in the game. Or are you saying that if Yshtola votes you, you’ll change your posting style of your own accord?

I will change my posting style of someone's accord? Mine? Y'shtola's? Beyoncé's? Probably Beyoncé's. Let's get serious. It's simply the most likely scenario. Occam's razor. When she tells the single ladies to put their hands up I have never seen anyone's hands remain by their sides.

[popsofctown]

First question mark should be a period, pedit

[popsofctown]

You're town aren't you? I think town. A little inductive but desiring a rescind seems sorty in contrast to Persivul.

[popsofctown]

I guess I’m just confused as to how your posting could be actually restricted if it’s not something that nomnomnom has allowed in the game. Or are you saying that if Yshtola votes you, you’ll change your posting style of your own accord?

I will change my posting style of someone's accord? Mine? Y'shtola's? Beyoncé's? Probably Beyoncé's. Let's get serious. It's simply the most likely scenario. Occam's razor. When she tells the single ladies to put their hands up I have never seen anyone's hands remain by their sides.

First question mark should be a period, pedit

Oh my.

I'm afraid I have no interest in such things, you might have confused me with somebody else doing as such?

I need to do some due diligence though

eyestott:
Explain why you believe you're voting scum.

[popsofctown]

Deliberately lynching "bad town" is terribad play. It can be a theory point of disagreement, but it's still >rand scum indicative since the people who subscribe to it fall back on it more frequently as scum since it's pretty fundamentally easy to avoid fake scumhunting when you're openly admitting to lynching slots you think may be town.

[popsofctown]

I guess I’m just confused as to how your posting could be actually restricted if it’s not something that nomnomnom has allowed in the game. Or are you saying that if Yshtola votes you, you’ll change your posting style of your own accord?

I will change my posting style of someone's accord? Mine? Y'shtola's? Beyoncé's? Probably Beyoncé's. Let's get serious. It's simply the most likely scenario. Occam's razor. When she tells the single ladies to put their hands up I have never seen anyone's hands remain by their sides.

First question mark should be a period, pedit

Oh my.

I'm afraid I have no interest in such things, you might have confused me with somebody else doing as such?

I need to do some due diligence though

eyestott:
Explain why you believe you're voting scum.

You're detracting from my sanity and enjoyment of this game. You saw earlier that I was exasperated at not understanding how serious people are being RE: their roleclaims, in fact responding to it first of anyone, and then start trollposting again.

I didn't think I was having that level of impact, Poe's law is always more powerful than I anticipate.
I'll stop trolling for you, up until I get lynched or whatever.
I like having fun but not if it's a zero sum game.
This was a town indicative response evoked by torturing you. Mafia can be cutthroat eyes. But I don't want to be too cutthroat, there's a brink

[popsofctown]

Yeah man, I don't really care if you're townreading me right now
So you're saying this whole thing was a parody of Paragon's initial claim?

Parody is harsh, I like Paragon, but yes, I just mimicked him.

I care deeply about winning. It may not matter whether I am townreading you with my current d1 lynch equity, but my win percent goes up if you are widely townread and that's accurate.

[popsofctown]

I am still baffled about my joking being displeasurable or upsetting

I have trouble feeling guilty about RS's replaceout if it possibly has some correlation to rolling red here. I also have trouble feeling guilty about not following normative "culture" practices of player for someone who has broken written site rules twice in their replaceout procedure

[popsofctown]

*play, not player

[popsofctown]

There is none, yet you’re claiming that you’ll have a post restriction when Yshtola votes you, even though it wasn’t enforced by the only authority in the game?
And I said halfspeak, not maybespeak

I am hardclaiming that I have a post restriction that would trigger if Yshtola was to vote me

I think it benefits the gamestate to provide this information

It benefits the game state to tell town you’re going to fake a post restriction? Go away scum boy

I've already outlined how I think it has. For someone who has criticized the use of buzzwords, you're dropping the word "fake" and expecting the negative word to prove a negative alignment, but it's more complex than that and you ought to be trying to understand my motivations. What do you think I was trying to accomplish, Robbnva?

I'm not going to be able to read you accurately if you just superficially throw shade

[popsofctown]

Did two people replace out because I fake claimed a post restriction? I just don't understand

[popsofctown]

Taly are you caught up?

[popsofctown]

The perspective slip thing with Rob is the idea that scum!Rob posts in the scum PT, "This is obviously fake, don't be fooled by this" (or more likely knows the personality of his teammates and doesn't have to), knows for certain the townie's lie has fully nullified impact on town, and then proceeds to go, "you are deceiving exclusively town, shame on you", slipping knowledge he shouldn't have about whether mafia was deceived. (after losing a large theme because a cop fake claimed in a way that kept me from nightkilling him I have nothing but eyerolls for the notion that it's never useful to try to deceive the mafia.)

I think the slot is somewhat townier than null now for other reasons.

[popsofctown]

most of what I accomplished the last few pages is making eyestott an IC you should be proud. Please spray a bubblebeam of celebration

[popsofctown]

Does that mean you'll feel sad that you didn't understand me when I flip green, Ame?

I'm townreading Paragon. I figured out another one of his alts and am disappointed there are not as many separate wonderful people in existence as I previously thought but also by meta I think it gives me additional reason to be townreading him.
I share his frustration that preflip assoc reads are stupid, there is probably inherent validity to a gamestate read that Paragon is probably aligned with me, and people are just errantly presuming that it's S/S. Like I actually don't care way too much about getting mislynched here, I was starting to miss my day1 mislynch meta and I think there will be lots to read from the debris, but confbiasing into preflip assocs squanders the reads you can develop using this dayphase. Preflip assocs are inherently bad play because player's reads are actually very close to rand but psychologically they tend to feel more confident than that.
Taco seems kind of townish to me. Maybe, like on tone?
NDMath's catchup seemed scummy to me, though I'm not sure that's accurate omgus. Would like to see more from the slot.
Y'shtola's passivity is at a critical mass. I am not sure how it would ever be possible to townread her the way she's playing.

[popsofctown]

I thought dog was pretty obviously Town, even if I am slightly biased.

Perceiving his iso as better than leantown is definitely implausible to me. I agree with Ame's read here

[popsofctown]

I thought dog was pretty obviously Town, even if I am slightly biased.

Perceiving his iso as better than leantown is definitely implausible to me. I agree with Ame's read here

His anger about the lying and subsequent replace-out was obviously Town imo.

I don't view it that way, but eh I can see you seeing it that way after getting biased by a green PM if you really have one

Come play mafia with us

[popsofctown]

pops, you're going to have to really sell me on who you want to lynch

You agree with me that FuzzyLogic is scummy. I put a good amount of stock in lynching someone who has done very little, with all of what they've done being scummy. Stark contrast to a slot who has done one special thing everyone seems to think is scummy, but is not corroborated by other reasons to believe I'm scum despite pretty voluminous posting. When I've been lynched as scum early like in Team Mafia and Masons and Mafia people have found detail after detail of many different things I was doing scum indicative.

It's very disturbing that FuzzyLogic projected having much more effort and acumen during RVS/low information then caught up with a totally nothingburger post.

[popsofctown]

Frustration that town not punishing "objectively bad play" of town was making the game difficult to win as scum in a way that was rewarding town for playing badly.
pedit: I have a post restriction

[popsofctown]

I've gotten angry about bad town play as scum before.

[popsofctown]

Do you townread NDmath by extension?

[popsofctown]

I've gotten angry about bad town play as scum before.

Angry to the point of replacing out without being under any pressure?

I never replace out except if I have a major real life issue or a moderator won't deal with a site rules infraction

[popsofctown]

Do you townread NDmath by extension?

That’s not as clear cut, as there’s no reference to why he actually replaced out, but I do have a TL on the slot generally.

oh hey wow it's almost like he was following site rules

[popsofctown]

sry couldn't not

[popsofctown]

I'm hard townreading eyestott so I value his take on this and am giving it a little credence

eyestott has superseded wisp as ulty townread

sorry wiispadisp

[popsofctown]

I was mad in Starry Night when Firebringer and Shiro made a pact never to lynch eachother even though they weren't townreading eachother.

I got mad in Magia Record when everyone in a T-T-T neighborhood fullclaimed as a matter of course even though they had no reason to believe the neighborhood was T-T-T

[popsofctown]

stop towntoning I want to agree with ame about something

[popsofctown]

I'm taking this game very seriously tbh

Do you find Taco scummier than Fuzzy?

[popsofctown]

I'm hard townreading eyestott so I value his take on this and am giving it a little credence

eyestott has superseded wisp as ulty townread

sorry wiispadisp

So that I don’t misunderstand you, could you ask my opinion in the form of a question?

I was saying since I think you're town I'm more willing to align myself with the view you represented in post 605. I wasn't asking for more elaboration.

[popsofctown]

Who's Tom?

[popsofctown]

That presupposes I was frustrated, I didn't feel frustrated at all when I made that post.

[popsofctown]

I was analyzing Taly's behavior, I interpreted that part as town indicative

[popsofctown]

Take: I think there are fewer than two scum on my wagon

[popsofctown]

Luca mislynched me when I was obvtown in Autumnal. Total baddie

[popsofctown]

I SAID TO STOP TOWNTONING

[popsofctown]

luca how come you cooperate with me approximately never

[popsofctown]

I was right as we ended up winning.

Do I get to say the same thing about lolhammering

[popsofctown]

do you want to lolhammer me for vengaza

[popsofctown]

i'm sorry I know it's an English speaking forum but when my Hearthstone card swears that it wants vengaza it always means so much more than the word "revenge"

[popsofctown]

I have nothing but confusion about 666 and 667

[popsofctown]

Please let's not overlitigate the replaceout thing let's just go with make Luca solve the game and lynch him if he stops townspewing or doesn't kill all his partners for us

[popsofctown]

I am still just bewildered by how seriously my fakeclaim was treated when I posted it after the mod posted in thread "nobody has a post restriction".

I don't understand how on top of that when I deliberately made the claim even more absurd by making it too complex for what a normal queue version of a post restriction would be, people still asked. It kind of even makes me a little suspicious of fake-dumbtelling in Ame's case.

Like, do you people not trust the mod, do I need to prepare in advance that if the game has investigative roles people will complain results and you'll be asking whether we should still lynch the scummy guy in case nomnomnom lied? Or like are you gonna setup spec godfathers even though godfather isn't normal?

I am just like
really floored by absurdity of it.

[popsofctown]

684 hits me.
VOTE: Ame

[popsofctown]

I felt like Fuzzy was barely over the threshhold as a wagon with some info to it, and Y'shtola is barely not.

Especially because her posting is like... indefensible?
I'm kind of pocketed by roleplay accounts, I was almost upset when my scumpartner dayvigged her in M&M

[popsofctown]

Ha I wish! I've had so many dreams about identifying scum but they are always wrong. I think it's because dreaming is where all your fears and paranoias surface and so the most tinfoily (and wrong) solves manifest.

However

, I have had one dream come true recently:

On the bright side, I had a lovely dream about everyone changing their avatars to woopers.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=15892
https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=24426
https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=28780

In addition to a dream about pops.

I think there are layers (or maybe it's a spectrum) of lucidity. Like some parts of your awareness can activate and not others. For example, I've often become completely aware that I'm dreaming but try to convince my dream characters that it's just a dream. If I were fully aware however, I'd realize how irrational it is trying to convince non-existent beings of their non-existence, but I don't realize my error until I'm awake.

What? Why on God's green earth do you convince poor dream characters that they're dream characters? My signature might already imply what terrible behavior I consider that to be.

As soon as I realized I'm having a lucid dream I begin granting myself superpowers. I presumed everyone did this. Not always flight if another one is more situationally appropriate.

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geee, im definitely caught scum now, how the fuck will i ever recover after 725

hopes and dreams of ever reaching that don clerone scummy have been dashed, time to go back to the newbie queue and self-vote every game to repent my transgressions

This reads more like scum trying to emulate !town humor than it reads like town humor. It seems kind of off. Like, if I read it with the presumption Taly is scum, it is funny, and if I read it with the presumption Tally is town, it reads unfunny, and I kind of wouldn't expect town!Tally to post something like that? Most jokes are for ourselves to laugh at, after all. At least, with as few laughs as I get from others trying, they had better be.

[popsofctown]

It wasn't meant to be funny.

VOTE: Taly

[popsofctown]

What do you think of Tom?

I find that I develop much stronger reads on people when I've interacted with them, so can I answer this question after I talk with Tom?

I feel like I'm at the grocery every time I scroll down to your avatar. I haven't ISOed you yet. Who is in your lynch pool?

To be honest, I'm not sure anymore. My scumreads on Fuzzy, Pops and Paragon have all weakened.

You know, I think I'm the only person in the game now that hasn't been the subject of a serious scumread and associating case against them.
I mean that no one has yet been like "Heres why eyestott is scum: yada yada yada"
It's good in that I can focus on reading people without also having to watch my back, but am I missing out on an integral part of the Mafia experience?

Anyways, hopefully I'll have a bit more clarity with my reads by the end of the night. Let's go!

good grief I want the whatever the opposite of a dayvig is so I can discharge it on this slot

like it hurts wow

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pops do you have a read on me?

I am less disheartened about Luca's push and its basis than he is.
Lemme catchup hnnnng

[popsofctown]

i want to throw up at the gamelong white-knight

pops/paragon

have launched on

eyestott's

slot.

VOTE: Taly

[popsofctown]

UNVOTE:

I need a reset.
I'm starting my reads from scratch again.
@

everyone

: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?

I think I would keep my memory of the small sequence of Luca posts that seemed really town indicative to me. It's not impossible for me to decide the slot is scummy later but in Autumnal Luca stopped towntelling when the posture of the gamestate stopped lending itself easily to opportunities to do so, I would want to keep those on the balance sheet.
I'd discard townreads on eyestott and Paragon that are likely to regenerate themselves.
I'm not confident enough in any of my scumreads for them to be candidates for keeping.

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I think I addressed this. You can call it disingenuous and/or shade on my part, but leading others to believe that there's another player in the game by conversing with that imaginary player is fraud. That cannot be dismissed with a hand wave, "Yeah, but look at the good they're doing over here..."

Why is it scum-indicative? That's the important thing you need to focus on. Sure, you can find it disrespectful/improper, but why is it more likely to come from scum rather than town in this case?

It's scummy because it skews reads. This is a zero sum proposition. We have only so many Town players and so many mafia players. Assigning who gets which label is made more difficult if we don't know who the proper players are. I think you know that.

That's antitown, not scummy. It is pretty rare for scum to recognize and antitown potential impact they could have on the game, assess the benefit of inflicting that evil on everyone outweighs the risk to one's own slot (pretty much any action has risk if you rolled scum), then carry it out. I saw volxen do it in getting a town go choose a certain setup in a choose-your-setuppy game and because there wasn't a strong consensus on which one was best, so convincing everyone to make the wrong move didn't seem antitown. Day 4 of Assassin's Mafia I judged everyone alive was enough of a baddie not to recognize it and pushed for a massclaim that wasn't really protown for that dayphase. Also at a couple points in that game's late prodfest I lurked down to everyone else's level of low activity to keep the game's poor momentum poor, that would be the one time where everyone would easily agree the impact was antitown, and I did feel a bit like I was getting away with murder, but an omission of something is a bit easier to hide, the forum software didn't post "pops typed up a reads list after tris's post, then realized she should let this game die and deleted it". I struggled to come up with even qualified examples after playing lots of Mafia lately because it's so very rare and not how scumteams win Mafia games.

The only version of gimmick criticism I've heard all game that resembles validity is the notion I claimed a post restriction to defuse a Paragon lynch (I backspaced main's name sorry in advance when that happens) and by not directly towncasing that helped me manage my associatives in a hypothetical Paragon-pops team. Thats because it's based on something being pro-pops, not just something being antitown.

[popsofctown]

I liked Luca's argument for being scummy. I can't remember why he said he didn't believe his own idea anymore but remember feeling unimpressed and I still believe his own idea.

[popsofctown]

Alo you're talking around what I'm actually saying but I think you're town anyway. On a personal note, I appreciate your writing style. It's pleasing to read.

btw is it 'Alora Tom' or 'Alor Atom' or 'Al or Atom' or just 'Aloratom' or other?

Thank you for the note.

I'm good with any of the above names.

What about Alolan Tom, the Tom with a different typing and passive ability.

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NDmath is really scummy. Not in a way that makes me enthusiastic on pointing any things out. Just loads of weak. More likely to be a douser of lights than a warrior of lights. I think scum are more likely to regurgitate takes with little added even if they've become cliche and I feel that way about a lot of NDmath's posting.

[popsofctown]

Ame I'm not really trying to sort you because I think you're hard to read. It's a 12p where I probably won't run out of people to consider before I'm out of the game, which I'm cognizant seems it will be earlier than average. Providing a read to deadsheep would be actively harmful since you duped me in a recent day. I do have to try to figure you out and superar but I don't think that necessarily has to be day1.
Pedit:yes planned double posting ame this was slow to type up because I am playing by phone lying underneath a wonderful cat

[popsofctown]

Game, not day, obviously

[popsofctown]

Ame I'm not really trying to sort you because I think you're hard to read. It's a 12p where I probably won't run out of people to consider before I'm out of the game, which I'm cognizant seems it will be earlier than average. Providing a read to deadsheep would be actively harmful since you duped me in a recent day. I do have to try to figure you out and superar but I don't think that necessarily has to be day1.
Pedit:yes planned double posting ame this was slow to type up because I am playing by phone lying underneath a wonderful cat

It's weird because you and Taly should be able to read me the easiest here as you're the only ones familiar with my scum play. I think I should be obvious town to you I think. Your confusion regarding my read of you doesn't seem real.

For someone who likes meta, this doesn't seem particularly data focused. I've correctly townread you by mid day 1 0/0 of our games, which means I never do it. It does also mean I always do it, but more importantly, I never do it.

Regardless of what it is I'm supposed to figure out I think you should be able to recognize at least some of the things (deliberately?) making your play inscrutable like announcing a greater than 100% confidence read on my slot early day 1.

I hate both the idea RC would design a 2 scum 12p and the idea that you assemble entire potential scumteams when doing your first lynch so I guess they cancel out

[popsofctown]

You started Purgatory with an extremely strong townread. I don't think those are categorically different. You had better reasoning in Purgatory though, which somehow means you should have a redder alignment in this game than that one. It's baffling.

[popsofctown]

Ame is confidently wrong. RC would seem least likely to experiment with 2:10 while towns are farming 90% winrate town elo in NewD3 on a daily basis. And it's preferable that setups that start on evens have a manner of returning to odds, which would mean a 1-shot vig which is so strong against 2 scum everything else would have to be vanilla, or so many protectives it's expected on hits, which is again really strong. I've never heard of a 2:10 ever being run onsite. RC thinks towns are bad but it's unlikely at a base level and extra unlikely for those circumstantial reasons. I am kind of townreading that Ame is acting so wrong about it because launching a failing argument doesn't seem very helpful for her right now so I think he actually doesn't know the size of the scumteam (aside from the traitor universe where this is really overt traitor communication but Normal Queue traitors can't shoot so he'd still be a slot not to lynch).

[popsofctown]

You started Purgatory with an extremely strong townread. I don't think those are categorically different. You had better reasoning in Purgatory though, which somehow means you should have a redder alignment in this game than that one. It's baffling.

It means the opposite. There I was concerned with being town read. Here I am not. Taly recognized this. And it feels like you're deliberately avoiding that conclusion.

lul, tfw you mimick the defining feature of the most heavily scumread slot in the game and get told "it should be obvious I don't care about getting townread and people like that should be townlocked". It's both a wrong thing, there's more complexity then that, you might be anticipating that impact, mafia is hard, and town!Taly correctly reading town!Ame can get all the accolades postgame he wants, I'm going to continue to read people I believe to have stronger scumgames cautiously and try to sort those nuances at the pace I can work it out.

[popsofctown]

pops you said there was a 20% chance. That seems significant enough for it to be the case

That was including traitor, iirc, or I was drunk. Full stop, just two scum heads, I'd say 3%

[popsofctown]

Confidently wrong about # of scum

[popsofctown]

@tali I'm used to a site meta of using the majority of discussion time and I prefer playing that way.

Does that mean you'll feel sad that you didn't understand me when I flip green, Ame?

I'm townreading Paragon. I figured out another one of his alts and am disappointed there are not as many separate wonderful people in existence as I previously thought but also by meta I think it gives me additional reason to be townreading him.
I share his frustration that preflip assoc reads are stupid, there is probably inherent validity to a gamestate read that Paragon is probably aligned with me, and people are just errantly presuming that it's S/S. Like I actually don't care way too much about getting mislynched here, I was starting to miss my day1 mislynch meta and I think there will be lots to read from the debris, but confbiasing into preflip assocs squanders the reads you can develop using this dayphase. Preflip assocs are inherently bad play because player's reads are actually very close to rand but psychologically they tend to feel more confident than that.
Taco seems kind of townish to me. Maybe, like on tone?
NDMath's catchup seemed scummy to me, though I'm not sure that's accurate omgus. Would like to see more from the slot.
Y'shtola's passivity is at a critical mass. I am not sure how it would ever be possible to townread her the way she's playing.

The further into this post I read the more I disliked it.

I disagree with Luca's argument about Rabid but I see no point in arguing it.

How’ve I deviated from my town meta?

You have the most accurate scum reads of anyone I've played with so far on this site. Fuzzy is such a bad and opportunistic push. Although you did do the same thing with Aaron. I guess I have you in the BoP category in my mind so it pings me when you're pushing in the wrong direction.

This seems like a slip to me. There is nothing to suggest Fuzzy is Town, so why does Ame so firmly believe I’m pushing in the wrong direction? Ame had Fuzzy in her second bottom pile earlier and has since not updated her read. This stance makes no sense from town.

Opportunistic is a key word there.

The fifth time of rereading Ame's post I finally figured out what your point was. I agree now it doesn't make sense.

Projecting analysis rather than doing it is >scum then rand
Maybe this is just a player I'd scumread every time they roll anything.
Kanna just won some spicy normal queue mafia by rolling Mafia Gunsmith so I'd point out rolefishing himself is only "vanilla cop says no"-indicative, and that was the only remotely decent reason for perceiving him in a positive light.
I don't want to case or lynch him cause like it's not spicy, though. And maybe the replace-in timing is hurting him, I don't know.

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btw pops the reason why I'm fairly certain in my scum read is because every line in this is scum indicative.

Ame!

(1) I'm not digging into this game super easily so far.

Wiisp is becoming a townread, because of the reverse survivalism inherent in aggravating Robbnva without actually getting votes onto him (man part of me wants to abbreviate "Robbnva" but I have played with Rob14 before and that makes it feel kinda wrong?)

(2) I sympathize with Taly scumreading my slot, he wasn't explicit about it but I sense he's fairly allocating a Burden of good player on people, likewise giving Y'shtola a pass. Y'shtola seems to play kind of scummy as town, to me, I was in the mason game, although in that game being a mason is actually surprisingly similar to being scum so I'm not sure how much that counts for. I hope she plays later.

(3) How nasty are nomnomnom's deadline? I'm not actually minding the slow pace in terms of fun factor, but if AI needs to be to be forced out then yada yada

(1) scum pops not knowing how to get into the game ~
(2) scum aware that they aren't playing up to their town play
(3) forced content -- this is the biggest tell I think. It's reminiscent of your forced content here.

Interesting. I found this quote while liking over that game.

I kinda buy that the condescending mechanics posts would come from both flavors of Pine but your point about it being implausible that he's solved the game so quickly is persuasive.

Particularly scumreading me on so few posts wtf.

Deja vu:

Regardless of what it is I'm supposed to figure out I think you should be able to recognize at least some of the things (deliberately?) making your play inscrutable like announcing a greater than 100% confidence read on my slot early day 1.

I hate both the idea RC would design a 2 scum 12p and the idea that you assemble entire potential scumteams when doing your first lynch so I guess they cancel out

I don't understand the relationship between those two quoted posts.
Going in reverse order:
Whether or not I sympathize with getting scumread as scum is pretty WIFOMY; I reckon I probably emulate my normal %age, maybe err on the side of sympathizing less because people often go and make post 873, and maybe in games that are a lost cause I do it more often if I'm tired and I want to throw.
Whether or not I sympathize with getting scumread as town is based on whether I am able to build an understanding of how the player came to that conclusion. Is there a reason you think as town I wouldn't be able to build that understanding this game? I'm only hearing why I would do that as scum, not why I wouldn't do it as town.

[popsofctown]

I want to play pad but there is a cat lying on my chest making little chirping noises so I only have enough arm range to read this game

[popsofctown]

Taly seems really cognizant of what he's doing and enthusiastic about outlining and describing it. Makes it seem more performative

[popsofctown]

I never have that much idea what I'm doing

[popsofctown]

Ame is probably a townier hyperpost slot but I generally don't want to townread people who scream at me that I should be townreading them as like a bias thing

[popsofctown]

Pandora has my thumb

[popsofctown]

As of this pagetop she has not given it back

[popsofctown]

Wiisp' uncertainty with voting while not feeling totally lost seemed resonant for me

[popsofctown]

Y'shtola is a secret alt on her second game without outing to me so like I don't get why she wants me to out Paragon to her.

IDK the ethics rules of this alting stuff

I just been playing on the one account for eleven years

[popsofctown]

Speaking of double posting and playing for eleven years when I gravedug my earliest posts I started off my first newbie asking if double posting was ok.

My ic said it was ok. That's like a super se that's what we used to have

Therefore it's ok

[popsofctown]

I agree a lot with paragon's readslist

He hasn't really impressed me as town though
By burden of proficiency he must be doing too well at reads to be town, something like that.

[popsofctown]

If Pandora stops laying on my left hand I can stop posting and play pad.
Alolan Tom's stance on my wagon seems a lot like scum not wanting to do enough to stop a mislynch but enough to get some credit and I'm worried about that but he's otherwise usually townish

[popsofctown]

I'm specifically talking about reads I won't comment on your skillset holistically.

It was jest

[popsofctown]

Ok pandora has stopped purring and has fallen asleep that is bad news for my tamadra income

[popsofctown]

Ic stood for inexperienced challenged, they didn't get the ic role. The newbie setup was pretty stupid though

[popsofctown]

I don't remember calling you incompetent Taly. Can you highlight it?

[popsofctown]

That post was when you were asking me to choose between two characterizations of a previous post, either that I myself feel burdened being a good player or that you're such a good player I would specifically expect you catch scum very very early. I was just saying a, not b. This would be a much more faithful way of trimming context.

Or that I'm SUPPOSED to have caught scum by now? Or was burden of good player a reference to you?

Burden of a good player is a reference to me.

I don't have high expectations on you.

[popsofctown]

Spoiler:

i want to throw up at the gamelong white-knight

pops/paragon

have launched on

eyestott's

slot.

Why are you of this opinion if you agree that eyestott is town?

Because

eyestott

getting pocketed looks like a very real possibility to me, with the highly influenced, unchallenged townreads on him. It's too early to have such a townbloc read over a slot that isn't relatively perfect.

It's happened to me in plenty of games.

If

eyestott's

town, he's either NK bait or a very good late-term slot that perpetuates paranoia, his perception is also slightly skewed.

If

eyesott's

scum, this is a problem for the town to gamesolve upon even scumflips.

Now, the above situation isn't meant to bring up WIFOM, but it shows how showering someone with townreads and a lack of critical thought presents a gamestate and narrative problem for town to solve.

eyestott

, social experiment, towncase me even if you don't believe I'm town.

Is this a good use of time for someone you townread?

I think it's one of the best uses of time for someone I townread.

The lack of emphasis people are placing on my posts have lowered a lot in the past few pages (not that I've helped), so by seeing how

eyestott

phrases an increasingly less popular townread will be helpful in seeing which slots in the game are forcing a read.

Scum have more reason to position their reads differently based on how players (who the thread has different levels of town confidence in) interact rather than Town who wants the players' stances clarified for them.

I agree a lot with paragon's readslist

He hasn't really impressed me as town though
By burden of proficiency he must be doing too well at reads to be town, something like that.

also wtf if this post?

What alarms you about this post?

1)

She's coming at this with the presumption that her reads are correct, because she's measuring the merit of your reads by her view when she mentions

"you're doing too well at reads"

- only scum know facts about people's alignment, and she projects this notion against you instead of evaluating herself.

2)

Again, she throws up the concept of

"burden of proficiency"

without really elaborating how that applies to the situation, whether she's talking about herself or you. She did the exact same thing to me earlier this game when I called her out on it when I asked her to explain my alignment in relationship to

Wiisp

, but she gave individual reads that didn't commit to her original post 159 186

3)

With as much as

Pops

has townread you

Paragon

594 803 and spoke about you without pushing you, it's really odd that she's downplaying your posts as they haven't impressed her to be town, and that is a cause to doubt your alignment.

She's not sorting your reads or the conclusions behind them. She's not taking a strong stance around you even when she's interested in your slot.

This is not how Town interacts with their townreads, I sure hope the fuck they don't.

I'm genuinely lost or find a red flag when I try to find motive for

Pops'

posting this game.

Time to attempt blatantly pander Ame a little bit.
I assume Pargon's readslist can be graded based on its similarity to mine because I think mine is better than the other ones in the thread by default due to Illusory superiority.
When I actually am putting on srs face and solving I have to manually adjust for Illusory superiority to play the game most correctly, otherwise if I do something like vote someone when 2 masons disagree with me that a slot is scummy the Illusory Superiority will make me start to actually gamethrow
However if I am making a joke post for memes my illusory superiority is fangless, and in fact only adds to the humor of the post as I proceed to move onto an illogical conclusion after so recently succumbing to a cognitive bias that has caused me to conclude I'm -extra- competent.
This is definitely how I interact with people I'm aligned with, the attempts at humor are relentless. Moreso like the undead than invincible angels. If I ever manage to roll scum with Paragon, the scum PT will be glorious.

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Fuzzy's last foray into the thread was an upward trend, which is unfortunate for my amount of direction in this game.

I am voting the person I think is the best lynch for today but I'm cognizant he's like, probably too charismatic to get lynched today, I almost don't even wanna lynch him.

Paragon promised me in the cult PT he would solve this game for me so if I wait long enough there's that.

[popsofctown]

If someone could openwolf the way Iconeum was openwolfing that would be fantabulous

[popsofctown]

Do you want to volunteer Luca

[popsofctown]

Luca are you going to lynch me while knowing I'm a townie brownie again that is the cruelty

[popsofctown]

I think I actually play better when I'm alive in 3-4 games, I have to trim more fat.

And like
The filing cabinet of my brain for this game is like one huge fat shelf where you put the papers in and they fall over but when it's three they're skinnier and you out the papers in and it's too narrow for them to follow over they only have room to lean against one wall fifteen degrees

Y'know?

[popsofctown]

After getting s***pushed for a good while, it's kind of refreshing to get voted for decent reasons. I have been rather loose with my vote and it makes sense for someone to be uncomfortable with that, sometimes trying to play town effectively has an edge of effective disingenuity to it (for example someone asked if Ame overstated her replace in scumread of me for a desired effect and wasn't asking for a scumclaim).

It's also pretty strange for him to express skepticism of the original basis of my wagon then slowly get onto it for his own reasons later. He doesn't seem like a player self-aware of his own optics sufficiently that he could do that just for better optics (and the secondhand meta in hand corroborates that impression), and I don't think the viability of my lynch is what changed.

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It kinda takes a lot of work to convert why I am feeling certain things about players into words sometimes
it does not take much effort to make jokes
or pet pandora
it does take a lot of effort to get to the end of aColosseum2
Only for the special boss that has a 2% chance of appearing and requires specific different team choices I don't have to kill me after my half hour of struggling

[popsofctown]

I mean I only have like 4 votes or something in a 13p

[popsofctown]

Y'shtola has mentioned that Luca Blight was the mysterious stranger from post 666 but her scumread on him is rescinded.

What does "Chaos is a ladder" mean? That's the name of the marathon game I lost where awful, awful things happened to me.

[popsofctown]

Chaos is a ladder
I'm not sure whether you're scum Fuzzy, so I don't want to push you. I would prefer to hit town today. I think Taly is the most likely to flip scum, and NDMath after that. I think some people maybe think correct townie play from my position is to push a counterwagon really hard to avoid being lynched because anyone I counterwagon might be scum, but I don't really like doing that and I'm not convinced it's optimal. Last year towards the end of the year I tried to count how many of the games where I was mislynched I had won, and I had won every single one of them, and it was several. I think the more you play to survive as town, the less information players tend to get out of your wagons when you do get mislynched.

I don't watch Game of Thrones because everything I've heard about it sounds morally depraved and disturbing.

[popsofctown]

lol
prefer to hit scum today*

[popsofctown]

Fuzzylogic, what is your read of Taly?

[popsofctown]

If you're not scum Taly, I think it is someone like Alolan tom, Y'shtola, or NDmath

[popsofctown]

I decided to play the minigame of, "can I find a single post in Masons and Mafia that's solvier than Y'shtola's entire iso in this game put together"? I expected to win, and I did. However, I did not expect to win by a direly narrow margin, there was not much unread iso left. so

Miss Lynch can go either way, I mainly don't like the overreactions to being questioned without being confronted at the same time. In the same case, she would likely be more careful about how to proceed when she is confronted, which was always either ignored or fought with the same intensity.

I don't really understand this part. Could you phrase it more clearly?

Miss Lynch overreacted to being questioned when there was no confrontation involved. I don't like this.

Miss Lynch didn't change course or hesitate when confronted after that point. I like this.

Of course, the most important question now that I've called it a minigame is "can you win by picking Luigi and doing nothing"?

Hello everybody, my name is Y'shtola Rhul. I am here as an observer and a scholar to the art of mafia.

I will be on standby if needed.

I'm gonna go with no, not super solvy. Too bad. Gotta count on those Happening Stars.

[popsofctown]

I decided to play the minigame of, "can I find a single post in Masons and Mafia that's solvier than Y'shtola's entire iso in this game put together"? I expected to win, and I did. However, I did not expect to win by a direly narrow margin, there was not much unread iso left. so

Miss Lynch can go either way, I mainly don't like the overreactions to being questioned without being confronted at the same time. In the same case, she would likely be more careful about how to proceed when she is confronted, which was always either ignored or fought with the same intensity.

I don't really understand this part. Could you phrase it more clearly?

Miss Lynch overreacted to being questioned when there was no confrontation involved. I don't like this.

Miss Lynch didn't change course or hesitate when confronted after that point. I like this.

Of course, the most important question now that I've called it a minigame is "can you win by picking Luigi and doing nothing"?

Hello everybody, my name is Y'shtola Rhul. I am here as an observer and a scholar to the art of mafia.

I will be on standby if needed.

I'm gonna go with no, not super solvy. Too bad. Gotta count on those Happening Stars.

[popsofctown]

VOTE: Pop

There was 1 maybe two post that read town but everything seemed forced. They don't explain why they are voting for a person unless
asked as if they are hoping that they can sneak in a vote. It could be just playstyle but overall I am just getting a scum vibe from them. I kinda want to see where this leads

This seems kind of weak reasoning -- a scum vibe and feeling forced. Is there anything more to it? I'm re-evaluating Pops myself, but I don't know that I've seen anything that appears forced.

I dislike that Alolan Tom is "Re-evaluating" my slot. It is natural and potentially towny to want to re-evaluate slots, but it's not as much a natural response when the slot is kind of spammy and kind of monolithic so it feels like a poor copy-paste, and the reasons re-evaluating my slot fmpov are convenient is pretty obvious

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Pops, can you sum up your reasons for Taly!scum?

Super awkward response to getting cased by Hectic, tendency to interact in a way that seems simplified on purpose/dumbtelly (this is kind of guttish), and is least convincing on wagoning me in a way where I believe he thinks I'm scum, with lots of IioA demerit comments getting listed as bullet points all the time.
The first thing has lots and lots of weight to me

[popsofctown]

Para they are exactly the same. It's disturbing me that you don't see that.
Both are compliments.
Both are implying a town read.

And no, I haven't seen Luca give blank townie points as town. Yes, that's it, that's what I'm getting at. Town Luca states his town reads directly in a sort of neutral tone: "I'm town reading Para for x,y,x."
Scum Luca there is throwing out random town points in an indirect and friendly manner. It's an attempt to look engaged with the game. And be friendly with you. It serves no value for town!Luca. It does for scum!Luca.

pedit that's different. He was scumreading Kanna and it's a neutral tone. He was expressing his change in read on Kanna. And it wasn't meant to look a certain way like it is here.

Ame towning it up in here

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I’ve never known someone SR me every game based on the most ridiculously insignificant things. Last game you thought I was scum for saying ‘your turn, Ame’ after answering your RQS questions. It amazes me how you still have such confidence in these little pedantic things you pick up on despite having been wrong every time. I find it frustrating as you seem otherwise a competent player, but you get so easily sidetracked over minor details.

D: I know these feels, last year's paragon has scumread me as town 3/3 games, T_T

To some extent it's not possible to play mafia at all without subsidized confidence, though, kinda.
Ame's casing seems to tell me more about Ame's alignment than Luca's

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Wiisp there's nothing townreadable about your recent play, and I think I commented on your early play contemporaneously

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VOTE: Y'shtola Rhul
I guess this is less vanityish than Taly.
I've seen self-post-restricted players play better than this.
It's spooky that it was similar to a towngame but her role was special and all that.
Luca, for fun, does the logic you used in autumnal mean lynching green!pops is would be more useful than lynching red!Rhul?
I'm interested by the idea of lynching town being "correct", I think Ankamius also believes that and she's like gurd, but it is a newsletter I have not quite subscribed for ever.

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is the difference between sensing and intuitive supposed to be that the sensing people are dumb and have less stuff going on in their brains

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I think you're a good margin above rand to eat sin between meals

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You made it to page 44 without developing an unprompted scumread, for starts.

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You made it to page 44 without developing an unprompted scumread, for starts.

My dear, do you mean "developing" or "revealing" in this case? The two mean different things, and there are multiple factors that would need to be assumed to reach the former as a conclusion. How certain are you that those prerequisites have been met for this to be an accurate statement?

That's not what you said in the cult pt

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Are you scumreading Taco or just lurkervoting Taco, Y'shtola?

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smh, complains no one scumreads him, then hard townreads himself in his readslist, such hypocrisy

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How would you describe your gameplay?

I would describe myself as a scholar to the art of mafia, here to learn what I can in order to defeat the threat of the Sin Eaters.

I am not the hero of the story, I am merely an assistant to the Warriors of Light that maintain the front lines in our fight. That is my purpose.

UGH can someone tell me why I find this scummy?
VOTE: Yshtola Rhul

no but I could catcall you or fakeclaim something

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I agree that 1106 looks like a scumpost VOTE: NDMath

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How would you describe your gameplay?

I would describe myself as a scholar to the art of mafia, here to learn what I can in order to defeat the threat of the Sin Eaters.

I am not the hero of the story, I am merely an assistant to the Warriors of Light that maintain the front lines in our fight. That is my purpose.

UGH can someone tell me why I find this scummy?
VOTE: Yshtola Rhul

As a serious response, I think the post is NAI (not alignment indicative) and that you should not scumread people for annoying you which is probably going to be something that's gonna keep happening to you whether you like it or not.
When I asked her main account in another game she also converted the in-game question to a roleplay question and told me about how she's a mi'quote and not a Viera and apologized that miqote's aren't as beautiful as Viera or something. She probably would have posted that same thing if she rolled town, scum, or unlyncher.

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I think the readslist is scummy for the way the reads are explained, not for the order of the names in the list, especially because I don't feel like I have this game solved

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Taly why don't you like me? I like you.

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Taly on a scale from 0 to 297, where 0 is "if I focus I will realize pops is town" and 297 is "I'm probably going to mislynch her some point this game even if she's town, there seems to be no way to view other perspectives", how much of +99 HP +99 ATK and +99 RCV would you have each?

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The only thing that dictates that not all highly active players are town is Gambler's Fallacy. I usually don't play according to fallacies. If you think one of the highly active players is scum, that's the on that's scum, if you don't think any of them seem scummy, then maybe none of them are scum.

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33 of each*

i want to pose the exact same question to you.

0 ATK, 0 HP, but 99 RCV

Because I'm not sure if I will ever feel the spirit of tryhard this game, I have kind of enjoyed playing loose and memeing.

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and im having fun but also having anxiety? this is such a weird feel in a mafia game, and im not mad at it?does what i say make any sense?

Taly is a cute wooper

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I MUST BE NUMBER ONE

You are NUMBER ONE, you are my number one townread

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That PageTop has pocketed me!

Kamek does not appear is super Mario 64

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*in

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That's not canon

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Is it time to LaL you Paragon?

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LaL means Lynch all Liars since eyestott insists on knowing all the secret words

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I would say Robb was close enough to bill it's not making me uncomfortable about it

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I'm hungry

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I don't think that image came from Google unmodified

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How much of the thread have you read?
Pedit: lol

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I like 1217 although I don't naturally take to a "I DONT EXPLAIN READS" player.

Do you speak English as a second language Churros? I've never seen anyone violate the rule against using a contraction when the committed word is the stressed word of the sentence. Which is a rule I was never taught as a native speaker and had to reverse engineer just now. But you could just be a native speaker who likes to be edgy

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I don't really alt hunt I just pick people to decide people are and choose to believe that. Y'shtola is an Ankamius alt

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I'm suspicious of your entry Churros. Taly is still scummy, but the reads list post was ugly enough to put NDMath at least in the same tier, and I don't want to swap for someone who gives me goosebumps

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I do find Taly's nonchalant reaction to being scumread in this way odd - I expected more frustration/outrage I guess.

I found it unexpected but it wasn't until you properly put it down that I realized it.

He seemed a lot more fiery with you/pops back there but to be intellectually honest he wouldn't be high on energy/mood at this moment from the looks of it.

I am pretty sure Taly doesn't like me

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omg i can't stop laughing

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not @ you taly

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you can like someone and not like someone at the same time, it's complicated
I don't think you have the right enzymes to my playstyle

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ok I feel guilty about the effort level I'm giving this game now
thanks guys geez

I am gonna roll 3d11 and iso some people to see if I can add more to the thread in some way

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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apparently you aren't allowed to send PMs to yourself, I wanted to not have to go to random.org

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apparently I did something wrong before
The atmospheric noise quality results I got from random.org will supersede though and they said paragon yshtola and wiisp