Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: aloratom

I know it doesn't look good for me but I'll try and project town and case Aloratom the best I can, though I concede I'm not exactly scumhunting here so it will be disingenuous

[OkaPoka]

And fwiw I am 2-shot bulletproof so I probably should've caught up more but well, it took me about 5 minutes to realize aloratom is confscum and then suddenly I was like ehhhh and promptly forgot about fully catching up

anyways what are the claims from aloratom and paragon?

[OkaPoka]

ok well apparently aloratom claimed vt and so did paragon so that rules that out

[OkaPoka]

ok well apparently aloratom claimed vt and so did paragon so that rules that out

Rules what out?

the idea of leaving eyestott alive

[OkaPoka]

paragon/aloratom can you guys give me a rundown on what makes you scumread taly? from my readings of the earlier game, it seemed that consensus was taly was town~ although so was aloratom /shrug

[OkaPoka]

Oh yeah. Don't go voting for Churros, Aloratom. Taly can hammer if he's scum with eyestott. Put in on hold until I'm back to look at this properly.

I can't ever see it being Churros + Aloratom so it's fine if you vote eyestott, Taly.

i need context as to why you said this btw

[OkaPoka]

actually okay i have a question

alo's seemingly a utr for a very long time, so was taly, i guess eyestott was a pr claim but seemed lynchable as evidenced by churros trying to lynch that

why is alo is still alive? why did SS eat a bullet?

[OkaPoka]

wait how did blake, a vigi that went off, get wagoned?

[OkaPoka]

when did eyestott claim neopolitan? how did this guy stay alive until day 4 and seemingly go unrestricted in night actions

[OkaPoka]

contrary to intuiton, doing a quick ctrl f of pops and luca's iso, im going to guess pops got shot by blake and luca got shot by scum

[OkaPoka]

alright playing fast and loose with this catchup

since blake didn't claim by the looks of it, im going to assume that blake was killed because so spooky to scumteam

but since blake you know, was being wagoned earlier and kinda helped mislynch two townies and was townreading aloratom and regardless of how you look at it with me being scum or aloratom being scum, she was 0/2 finding scum especially because she flipped on churros and i know churros and blake and churros can kinda just wreck blake

probably means that blake was rolecopped or smithed by scum so scum knew she was ic

for what its worth

and churros claimed gunsmith? im guessing aloratom is a multitasking rolecop/gunsmith ~at least its very likely that the remaining scum is a gunsmith/rolecop or something

[OkaPoka]

yeah its pretty obvious that blake would never shoot luca here, i don't think you can disagree with that premise

[OkaPoka]

SO im going to ignore pops being nightkilled because that was a blake shot

checking luca's iso it really looks like

I’m barely caught up but this is roughly where I’m at:

Town: Paragon, Fire, Churros

Town-leans: Pops, SS

Null-ish: Taly, Bella, Stott

Scum-leans: Fuzzy, Math, Tom

Just for reference mainly as I still need to read deeper, but I’m pretty certain I only want to lynch in that bottom pile today.

so townbins churros thats 0/1

so if im scum he has me at null thats 0/2

vs if alo is scum thats 1/2

and if he's the nightkill i mean, its probably because he was somewhat close to undermining scum, not literally 0/2

[OkaPoka]

and i guess since S_S got "gunsmithed" cleared by churros it makes sense why he would get nightkilled

he did have a change of heart on alo at the end there fwiw if you care about his reads

anyways im going to guess he didn't claim vt yet

here's going to be my guess of nightactions:

n1:
blake shoots pops
churros shoots luca
alo investigates blake (is vigi/has gun)

n2:
churros shoots blake
alo investigates S_S

n3:
churros shoots S_S

???? also eyestott claims neopolitan d3 and got his investigate off lmao, these kills are so wack, unless alo is actually protected by the invest, maybe he's commuter joat or ascetic?

alo = joat rolecop/gunsmith/commuter
alo = ascetic gunsmith
alo = ascetic rolecop

ok alo probably commuted n3 with the intention of claiming eyestott would be roleblocked

n4 is kill eyestott ig

[OkaPoka]

n3 is strange unless you believe that scum commuted or = ascetic,

from a taly!scum perspective since scum didn't roleblock eyestott, it means that eyestott clearing additional people is better for scum's wincondition than killing a semi ic in SS ~which doesn't make sense because eye is just kinda creating additional ics so lol
i guess eyestott can't guilty churros or taly, but these are known prs, he's still creating ics lol wtf, literally killing SS in a churros/taly comp is utter stupidity since eyestott is going to be checking in the vt pool

now from an alo!scum perspective there is some value in killing ss over eyestott Neapolitan if 1) you have counterplay against him accidentally guiltying you and 2) SS reads might undermine the comfy chair of UTR
i know you need a tinfoil hat but if you believe alo has some passive way to neutralize an eyestott check in the form of ascetic/commuter (i like commuter, it plays against the theme of town's power better than a vanilla ascetic, plus i can put a joat label on him) then it actually makes a whole lot of sense

if alo is either an ascetic investigative or joat with rolecop/gunsmith/commuter it could actually make sense wrt to the night actions, why someone like blake with reads that scumsiding regardless if you think me or alo are scum eating a kill, why churros claimed a 1-shot gunsmith on SS (on a person who is known to gambit with his claims so a full clear is risky), why scum weren't worried about eyestott creating ics/finding guilties because there is counterplay

now also churros is a multitasking goon which is strange and idk why, is it possible that he can inherit multitasking in a backup fashion? who knows but still, i think night actions prove alo/churros over taly/churros

[OkaPoka]

multitasking goons never happened but backup+power role has so im guessing its a backup joat = alo


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29549

[OkaPoka]

anyways paragon feel free to ask away on my theories and question me

id like to dance with you

[OkaPoka]

bottom but im proposing a different setup?

[OkaPoka]

Multitasking JOAT (Rolecop/Gunsmith/Commuter)
Multitasking Goon
1-shot Vigi
2-shot BP
Neopolitan
7 VT

[OkaPoka]

fwiw 2-shot BP has a lot of negative utility in this setup, its barely a positive thing depending on player

[OkaPoka]

like think about it: its a 12p setup which means evens which is completely useless vs an 11p setup

the 1-shot vigi is like a pseudo "free lynch" + ic

however 2-shot BP basically makes the 1-shot vigi a lot worse if it hits bp because now its like a neopolitan 11p setup which is scumsided

[OkaPoka]

the value of the 2-shot BP is solely in the hands of a few players who can hard carry and project town, other than that its purely negative utility as neopolitan false guilities it and its anti synergistic with the 1-shot vigi

[OkaPoka]

anyways if what you said about eyestott is true, then scum's plan was 100% to lynch eyestott yesterday, how did that plan fall through?

[OkaPoka]

anyways if what you said about eyestott is true, then scum's plan was 100% to lynch eyestott yesterday, how did that plan fall through?

I reevaluated and changed my mind on eyestott, he kinda obvtowned himself with the way he played the last day.

if that's true and scum loses the numbers to lynch eyestott, then there would be a clear shift in approach by scum, probably to play for 3p lylo

[OkaPoka]

shouldn't it be weird to you that churros was fishing for taly's vote and when it obviously wasn't going to happen easily, he goes for the safer, antispew play?

[OkaPoka]

let me turn this around, why wasn't churros fishing for aloratom's vote after you flipped on eyestott?

[OkaPoka]

Like imagine this world

Churros/Taly scum, paragon indicated he was going to lynch eyestott so they save eyestott for game winning mislynch.

But then paragon is like, nah, eyestott is town. So scum are probably going to try a bit to see if the original plan can work, they have to convince aloratom to lynch eyestott. Do you see churros trying to work with aloratom to lynch eyestott?

Alternatively Churros/Aloratom scum, " " " " " "

" " " " " ", they have to convince taly to lynch eyestott. Do you see churros trying to work with taly to lynch eyestott?

[OkaPoka]

Like the dynamics of 5p lylo for scum is quite simple. You need to convince one townie to sheep you on the wrong lynch or you need to disassociate with your partner as much as possible.

And if eyestott is left alive, I'm betting the plan was to lynch eyestott as evidenced by churros voting eyestott. So probably~ they want to convince you first. If you don't budge, they convince the other townie. Why are they wasting time convincing scum? You don't win convincing someone who you can ask to lolhammer in scum pt

[OkaPoka]

and if taly is being an ass and churros realizes it won't work, next best plan is to disassociate, aka bus

[OkaPoka]

ive skimmed bits and pieces but its easy to see the pieces when you know the puzzle

[OkaPoka]

and well, im basically cheating here

i know who is scum mechanically

i am a completely fresh face who read parts of the game knowing exactly who scum were and have had previous meta experience with one of the mafiosos

scum could never have catered to my worldview and warped my view of the game

its basically if a spectator in a spoilered dead thread replaced in, which is why my view of the game makes sense and is clear and probably 90% accurate

replacements are cheating btw if you replace out ur a cheater

[OkaPoka]

ANYWAYS

i have little investment in this game, if this is what changes your mind alo probably deserves to win lol

so i pray you find your own reasons to vote alo over me or something, im not going to read much more unless prompted so im not going to block you from coming to your takes

pedit: no i know churros

[OkaPoka]

Maybe I will roleplay

taly

to keep the integrity of the game.

What say you

paragon

?

[OkaPoka]

see

paragon

knows im town now

But the choice

paragon

must make is now an ethical choice

To play to

his

wincondition or to preserve the

integrity

of the game

Aloratom

, make this easier and claim scum and then make this an argument about preserving the integrity of the game. It's your best chance to survive if you are to be honest and transparent. Argue why you deserve to win! Before I become

Taly

reincarnated and thus I have upheld the integrity of the game with my excellent

roleplay

.

[OkaPoka]

Aloratom

, you might ask why

OkaPoka/Taly

are you doing this? Why are you helping me to win?

Well I just want to know how accurate I was on your gameplan tbh. Call it a

Faustian Bargain

[OkaPoka]

If you do not accept the deal with me

I shall have no choice but to punish thee

So Aloratom, make a pact with me

For Faust is the true devil - not Lucy

[OkaPoka]

thanks babe

now

aloratom

the choice is ever more clear for you, to argue you are not scum is folly ~claim scum and take the moral high ground on how you are entitled to this win!

[OkaPoka]

awww i feel bad

[OkaPoka]

(how close am i though?)

[OkaPoka]

It depends on Churros' read on Taly. It'd be awkward for Churros to suddenly pivot from a solve of Alo/Eyestott to Taly/XXX

I'd suspect if you made that offer explicit, the onus would be on Alo to do something about it

[OkaPoka]

i agree you should lynch

aloratom

i have nothing to add ~do you need me ?

[OkaPoka]

f

[OkaPoka]

aladeen

[OkaPoka]

what is good

what is bad

what is ugly

[OkaPoka]

good for me

but good for you?

[OkaPoka]

eod trolling has been ruined noooooo

[OkaPoka]

tOwN wIn

[OkaPoka]

gj paragon

i probably read a total of 100 posts this game

[OkaPoka]

multitasking role cop and not killing eyestott?

thats a ballsy play lolz

[OkaPoka]

This setup was uhhhh really townsided.

yeah i may have lied a bit when talking about the setup lolz

not even a super scum joat balances this i think xd, neopolitan should have been gated to like odd night or something

[OkaPoka]

or even better throw in a neighbor - neighbor - neighbor ( t - t - t ) and this setup is probably a lot better

[OkaPoka]

maybe this is a 1000 iq setup where its so townsided that it becomes scumsided since meta is massclaim and lynch

[OkaPoka]

big brain time

[OkaPoka]

what if scum had a multitasking ninja strongman watcher tracker follower rolecop

and a

multiasking roleblocker rolestopper backup

[OkaPoka]

yeah but you forgot about the big brain decision of making this setup so townsided the expected play was to lynch prs hehe