Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

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I’m so excited to get back into mafia! Thanks everyone for playing with me, I don’t think I’ve met any of y’all before.
VOTE: Taly, I think you may be the exception! Do you remember me at all?

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welcome back Tal , I am coming back to mafia. With everything shutting down there is not much else to do

That’s why I’ve come back too! Corona buddies?

@ Eyestott.....
well the thing you should know is that I am always town

anyway welcome back

Okay, I guess I’ll trust you implicitly?

I’m so excited to get back into mafia! Thanks everyone for playing with me, I don’t think I’ve met any of y’all before.
VOTE: Taly, I think you may be the exception! Do you remember me at all?

yay votes

Your user seems a bit familiar, but did you go by another user?

welcome back Tal , I am coming back to mafia. With everything shutting down there is not much else to do

Same, but I do like the mental stimulation of it when I have time.

Also, very OP role man, where should my vote be right now?

I went by istott before eyestott, could that be it?

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I don’t think I’m good enough at this game to have any worthwhile reads just from RVS. I am interested why I was put at the top of your list, Paragon. Other than that, not really sure what there is for me to reply to

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I am interested why I was put at the top of your list, Paragon.

Your tone felt genuine/open. Being carefree early = town.

Do you want to claim miller now? I saw your crumb earlier. I'll be investigating you tonight if I have the means.

Wait, I crumbed Miller? Was not intentional haha
Definitely not Miller. I think Miller is the role I would least want to play in fact (though that doesn’t really affect what role I get, does it?)

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What does llamaey mean?

Guess it'd be rude to ignore this. Feeling llamaey is a more majestic way of feeling sheepy.

It's important you realise however that "llama" is pronounced "yama".

Yeah you got that llamaey llam, that llamaey llam, that llamaey llamaey

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Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

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Paragon, I like the way you think. I’m looking through each persons ISO posts, got anything you’d like to specifically get my opinion on?
And aloes, I mostly agree with you RE: 135 and Conspire. The single post also reads like he’s trying to seem more involved than he actually is.

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Paragon, I like the way you think. I’m looking through each persons ISO posts, got anything you’d like to specifically get my opinion on?
And aloes, I mostly agree with you RE: 135 and Conspire. The single post also reads like he’s trying to seem more involved than he actually is.

Hi, eyestott! I would love to get your thoughts on Y'shtola Rhul. She seemed to vote for Fuzzy with little thought, and has not provided much independent opinions of her own. When I asked her for her read and reasoning on Aloratom, I wasn't very satisfied with her response, as it lacked specifics and I couldn't really understand what she meant.

Okiedokie!

One thing of potential significance with Yshtola is this:

Y'shtola

, are you an alt or new to mafia?

I am Y'shtola Rhul, and I have experience only in one completed game so far. I died quite fast, sadly.

Looking at the completed game, Yshtola played a Mason in a nightless setup with no daytalk, so essentially an inno who knows that some other people are inno. This lack of scum experience could potentially lead to her making rather rookie mistakes, so I won't be ruling out scumtells on the basis of it being an easy mistake to avoid.

Spoiler:

I'm doing the mafTiger theme this whole ass game, so, all of y'all are morally obligated to immediately choose how long I remain in this game pending on how sane you want me to be.

Hello! I am Y'shtola Rhul, a scholar in aetherology and member of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn.

Feel free to ask me questions at any time!

yo, wanna wagon with me?

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

tElL mE mOrE aBoUt BeInG a ToWn PoTaTo

Sure, I'm willing to help with wagons.

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

Doesn't particularly indicate towniness or scumminess, though I feel like a first-time scum would definitely be a bit keen to get their violence started.
Posts #57, #63, and #92

Spoiler:

p-edit

Is there anything specific that you would like to know, Taly?

I liked that you're not afraid to put a vote down, but do you even have a reason to suspect

Fuzzy

? How do you feel about

pops'

vote since she is concerned with yours?

I am afraid that the aether of the players within the game are muddled for me at the moment. If you ask me later on, I might have a clearer idea of whether they are Warriors of Light or Sin Eaters.

Meh... so you don't have any specific read? What's your vote for?

Did you not ask for my vote? I voted to help you wagon TheFuzzylogic99 as requested.

Yeah, but why did you? I asked, I didn't demand.

Because you asked!

seems to indicate a lack of experience more than a specific alignment, I feel.
However, her posts replying to Paragon about Aloratom (#123 and #131) are a bit of a red flag to me:

Spoiler:

Y'shtola Rhul! What comes to mind when you think of Aloratom?

Other than how handsome he is obviously.

He could stand to raise his voice some more, but otherwise he's quite alright.

Mind explaining where these feelings of quite alrightness come from?

I like his matter of fairness. It is quite refreshing, actually.

While the chance of Yshtola and Aloratom both being scum is statistically quite low, I believe that this is the exact way that someone like Yshtola would talk about their scum-mate. And fairness? Why does fairness equate to towniness? Part 2: Aloratom coming soon.

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UNVOTE: Taly
Proper post once I’ve gotten out of bed.

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I am legitimately more confused by this game than I’ve ever felt playing mafia. I think it’s a combination of Covid19 messing with my head, this being the first game I’ve played in a while, not understanding acronyms people are using, and heavy conflicts between people’s claims and the Normal Rules not to mention that there have been like, 4 role claims, and I don’t have any idea how serious they were.

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Someone please engage with me in a way where I can treat this like a NORMAL game of mafia
I wanna have a conversation with someone and develop some townreads. I think my mind needs calibration because right now I don’t think I’m actually townreading anyone

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Hey Pops.
I would understand if It's because of the same reasons I just listed.
Oh wait, you mean passive as in maybespeak, rather than inactivity.
I think it doesn't contribute a whole lot to scumhunting. I'm going to check her completed game and see if she acted the same. It was an odd game as far as i can tell where the Masons and Scum were almost identical to eachother (both were trying to hide from the other, and couldnt communicate with their mates)
So I'm not really sure if her playstyle in that game would reflect typical town or antitown behavior. Nevertheless i'll check it out anyway.

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Yeah, maybe I think you could possibly potentially be corr-

I'm sorry I tried out maybespeaking myself, and I can't do it. There's too much wishywashiness for the post to actually mean anything. Fuzzy's post in much more scummy than Yshtola.
Hey @Ame, why do you ask the visualization question? I'm a 0/10 for both visualizing and audiolizing (is that a word?) and I don't see many non-aphants knowing about aphantasia. I suspect you may also be a 0?

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Yeah, maybe I think you could possibly potentially be corr-

I'm sorry I tried out maybespeaking myself, and I can't do it. There's too much wishywashiness for the post to actually mean anything. Fuzzy's post in much more scummy than Yshtola.
Hey @Ame, why do you ask the visualization question? I'm a 0/10 for both visualizing and audiolizing (is that a word?) and I don't see many non-aphants knowing about aphantasia. I suspect you may also be a 0?

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Welp, not sure how that happened!

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I would too, but I can't

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Not sure LAL is a good strat here.

That's why towns lose so much now.

Lying is definitely anti-town but it is not necessarily scummy.

Even if paragon is town, do you want him in LYLO? That's what will happen. If I were scum he's EXACTLY the person I'd drag to the end. He wants to be the center of attention, which makes it easy for scum to remain under the radar, and in the end no one will trust him.

What is LAL?
The point you raise about paragon is quite good, Though are you suggesting lynching him purely for this reason?

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Pops, can you clarify whether or not you were being sarcastic when you claimed a post restriction in #290?

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And Paragon, would you be restricted from posting a question if you have no points in your question quota?
Or would you be punished in some way if you try to do so?

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Pops, can you clarify whether or not you were being sarcastic when you claimed a post restriction in #290?

I wasn't being sarcastic. I will totally have a post restriction if Y'shtola votes me. It might not be because nomnomnom gave me one though

...what? I’m losing patience with this halfspeak, it’s more frustrating than maybespeak.

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Someone please engage with me in a way where I can treat this like a NORMAL game of mafia
I wanna have a conversation with someone and develop some townreads. I think my mind needs calibration because right now I don’t think I’m actually townreading anyone

If you want a normal game of mafia, lynch the lying attention whores. When they're gone, we can have a better game.

Are you talking about Paragon and pops?

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There is none, yet you’re claiming that you’ll have a post restriction when Yshtola votes you, even though it wasn’t enforced by the only authority in the game?
And I said halfspeak, not maybespeak

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And Paragon, would you be restricted from posting a question if you have no points in your question quota?
Or would you be punished in some way if you try to do so?

I don't get the question. Mod has confirmed that there are no post restrictions of any form in the game.

I’m just trying to understand exactly what it is that Paragon is claiming

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I guess I’m just confused as to how your posting could be actually restricted if it’s not something that nomnomnom has allowed in the game. Or are you saying that if Yshtola votes you, you’ll change your posting style of your own accord?

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Am I going crazy? How on earth is it that TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE are claiming posting restrictions in a normal game?
It can’t be a coincidence can it?


Pedit: I give up. VOTE: Popsofctown
Will remove my vote once Yshtola votes Beyoncé here

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Well, due to my posting restriction, imposed upon me by..... The Scions of the Seventh Dawn.... i can’t legally move my vote until you vote her.
The head scion told me to tell you prettyplease

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I guess I’m just confused as to how your posting could be actually restricted if it’s not something that nomnomnom has allowed in the game. Or are you saying that if Yshtola votes you, you’ll change your posting style of your own accord?

I will change my posting style of someone's accord? Mine? Y'shtola's? Beyoncé's? Probably Beyoncé's. Let's get serious. It's simply the most likely scenario. Occam's razor. When she tells the single ladies to put their hands up I have never seen anyone's hands remain by their sides.

First question mark should be a period, pedit

Oh my.

I'm afraid I have no interest in such things, you might have confused me with somebody else doing as such?

I need to do some due diligence though

eyestott:
Explain why you believe you're voting scum.

You're detracting from my sanity and enjoyment of this game. You saw earlier that I was exasperated at not understanding how serious people are being RE: their roleclaims, in fact responding to it first of anyone, and then start trollposting again.

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This is ridiculous. I'm going to have mod impose a permanent post restriction on me. Bye.

I regret becoming active in this discussion.

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Yeah man, I don't really care if you're townreading me right now
So you're saying this whole thing was a parody of Paragon's initial claim?

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Okay. Please don’t subject people to this in future games. We need to keep players on mafiascum, not drive them off.

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Well, Rabid Schnauzer, I don’t blame you. We have resolved this, but the damage has already been done.

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Ame, do you see pops play there as scummy or just douchey?

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Can we talk about something else please? You’re gonna have to redeem yourself for there to be any hope of me changing my vote.
Robbnva, we haven’t talked much. Are you sane?

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Can we talk about something else please? You’re gonna have to redeem yourself for there to be any hope of me changing my vote.
Robbnva, we haven’t talked much. Are you sane?

Doesn’t matter if I am or not.

Good enough for me


Anything you wanna discuss?
Pedit: @ame: what, you think that as town, it would be a completely morally clean play to make?

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pops do you have a posting restriction that requires Ysha to vote you?

I forget you're a site newb
Let's say that if I do there will be a ban announcement following the game and nomnomnom would need a comoderator for her next two games.

She explained it here so it was obvious she was joking. I think you guys way overreacted.

I don’t understand how it was explained there. Is this an injoke or something?

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It was explained before that because this is a normal game, post restrictions aren't allowed.
pops is confirming that is the case there.
Para is just being silly, he doesn't really have a restriction nor does pops.

I think I understand, but pops then refuted what she said there when I talked to her about it

Anyways. Ame. Are you an aphantasic? And you got anything else you wanna discuss?

Pedit: oh you’ve asked me stuff!

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eyes can you order these from most preferable to you to least preferable: playing mafia, attending a concert, watching an episode of your favorite show, attending a sports game

If the game of mafia is engaging enough (typically it reaches this point on day two or three), it would be

Mafia, concert, fave show, sports
Yesterday and most of today, mafia was 3rd. When I started getting engaged tonight, it went back up to first. But when rabid replaces out, 4th. Now I’d say it’s second.

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Where would you place shopping, reading a book, and going to an amusement park on that list?

The way you speak is so similar to me it's uncanny reading your posts sometimes.

I don't have aphantasia. I'm in cognitive neuroscience and visualization is something I'm particularly interested in. Do you mind if I ask you some stuff later?

Mafia
Concert
Favourite show
Amusement park (though if this was for a date with someone it’s probably be at the top)
Shopping
Book (can’t read books anymore without constantly thinking about everything I’m missing out on
Sports


I’m really fascinated by it too, especially the concept of the Umwelt.
Yeah, I’d be glad to be interviewed by you!

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And Paragon, would you be restricted from posting a question if you have no points in your question quota?
Or would you be punished in some way if you try to do so?

If I didn't follow my questioning quota, I would be punished in my heart, and that alone

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So this is a self imposed post restriction?
Mafia, please kill me tonight

most of what I accomplished the last few pages is making eyestott an IC you should be proud. Please spray a bubblebeam of celebration

IC= innocent child?

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NAI?

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Oh Taly, i saw a response but I didn’t see an attempt to engage! Even looking back I’m not sure what you want to talk about, could you clarify?

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No I mean, what does this acronym stand for?

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From the past few hours, I’m leaning towards scum moresp for Paragon, pops, and Fuzzy




What’s that? They’re the three people with votes on them?
Well, one of them is probably correct, eh?
I have Aspergers, so I have a bit of trouble understanding when people are joking or being sincere. I think maybe that’s how I got into this mess with pops. I’m still a bit salty about it, though I’ll be fine tomorrow.
I don’t see either of the recent replacements being scum. Mostly based on how close I was to requesting a replacement too, and I don’t think I would’ve come anywhere near as close to if I were scum.

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eyestott, mind explaining the reasoning for your scumread on me? Plus, do you believe one of the the three wagons is probably correct on the basis you think town must be good enough to land a wagon on scum, or some other reasoning?

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1: I’m still Not sure that your initial claim wasn’t a legitimate case of scum trying to fakeclaim a role only to find out that the role doesn’t exist
There are probably other reasons that I can’t recall right now, but I’ve stayed up past my normal bedtime for this tonight.
And yes, that’s correct.

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Hahaha I started at 1:
And then stopped there lol

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And Taly, I think i’d only be content lynching one of those three today, too. And I agree that as a precedent, replace outs shouldn’t be indicative of alignment, I think this may be an exception though

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Ooooohhhhh Taly I understand now! I didn’t realise that whole section of #479 was directed at me. Up until now I thought it was just the first sentence or two after that quote. I’m going to respond to that post more in depth today.

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NDMath, who’s your most solid townread right now?

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Ame, is the reason you ask those questions at the start of games because you’re in cognitive neuroscience and you like to develop a feel as to a persons personality irrespective of alignment?

Also, do you have any solid townreads?

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Spoiler:

Thank you for being honest n_n!!

I'll look over you again with a fair eye.

@eyes yes that's exactly right! One of the biggest driving forces for me as a person is the desire to understand other people. Like

really

understand them and the way they experience. I feel like we are all kind of trapped? Each only capable of experiencing an infinitesimal sliver of existence. Not only are we perceptually limited by our species umwelt, but even just from being born one person and not another: the variation in perception and cognition from person to person is seriously astounding. We go about day-to-day under the illusion that what we personally perceive is all there is and that other people more or less perceive and think in the same way, but it's just not true! Our minuscule fields of existence are nothing but shadows on a cave wall. It may be impossible to truly understand another person, but the closer you get it's like getting a glimpse of their unique configuration of shadows and finding out they are made of entirely different stuff from your shadows and it's like the best experience in the world to me.

I'm still town reading / leaning all the Warriors or Light and those with angelic aethers that I mentioned before.

Damn you’re seriously interesting to talk to! I really would love to chat to you about this more in depth!

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I thought dog was pretty obviously Town, even if I am slightly biased.

Perceiving his iso as better than leantown is definitely implausible to me. I agree with Ame's read here

His anger about the lying and subsequent replace-out was obviously Town imo.

I don't view it that way, but eh I can see you seeing it that way after getting biased by a green PM if you really have one

Come play mafia with us

Why would scum replace out over a player deliberately lying and drawing attention to himself? That would be a perfect opportunity to dig into a tunnel. The fact he replaced out over it proves his anger was genuine, which only makes sense from town there.

This. This is what I’ve been trying to say.

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I'm hard townreading eyestott so I value his take on this and am giving it a little credence

eyestott has superseded wisp as ulty townread

sorry wiispadisp

So that I don’t misunderstand you, could you ask my opinion in the form of a question?

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Luca Blight, anything you’d like to discuss?

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Spoiler:

Luca
True I tend to be more relax ..... I have been away for a while so I am trying something different. Plus I stayed up listening to those self realization videos. If they dont work they guarantee to give me my wooden nickel back. Wait something seems fishy about that.

Seriously though I am trying to be more assertive in various areas of my life. Look at the last game I played. You can see that I acted similar there.

Aloratom
I am pretty good once we hit scum. I usually analyze the wagon and with pretty good accuracy can say if scum is on the wagon and how many. Last game I had scum nailed, however, I was not very confident so I let them slip by. Its likely that there is scum on me and Paragon wagon. We seem both to be very lynchbaity, Even if Paragon is scum I can see scum bussing there. he is just so easy of a target, I am kinda thinking Paragon is newb town but I need more time to sort him out.



Can someone explain why we should lynch Paragon other than his fake claim which was terrible? He is a newb so maybe we should let him live so we can sort him out better
Unless there is a good reason we should I think we should dump the Paragon wagon.

Fuzzy, do you have any scumreads? Who are you suggesting people move off of you and Paragon to?

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What do you believe you’ve contributed to the game so far?

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I thought dog was pretty obviously Town, even if I am slightly biased.

Perceiving his iso as better than leantown is definitely implausible to me. I agree with Ame's read here

His anger about the lying and subsequent replace-out was obviously Town imo.

I don't view it that way, but eh I can see you seeing it that way after getting biased by a green PM if you really have one

Come play mafia with us

Why would scum replace out over a player deliberately lying and drawing attention to himself? That would be a perfect opportunity to dig into a tunnel. The fact he replaced out over it proves his anger was genuine, which only makes sense from town there.

This is incorrect. Emotions are commonly the same regardless of the nature of one's soul, as they are the manifestation of the person's opinions and ideals. If he feels strongly enough about such a thing being worth having that large a reaction to, it would have little to nothing to do with the color of his soul.

In a Mini Normal, the mafia know the alignment of every single player in the game, because they are necessarily the only anti-town faction. That's a whole lot of information. Town are (except for knowledge of their own role) going into the setup blind.
Makes a very big difference to how frustrated you can get when you're confused because the alignment of the confuser is a mystery in only one of those cases.

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What do you think of Tom?

I find that I develop much stronger reads on people when I've interacted with them, so can I answer this question after I talk with Tom?

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Luca Blight, anything you’d like to discuss?

What do you think about him wanting to lynch Fuzzy?

I think that Fuzzy doesn't contribute to the town much. However, he hasn't yet actively distracted the town by fakeclaiming a role restriction.
(this is separate to my scumreading the three current candidates)
I think there are better people to lynch today, but I would consider voting him if that's what it came down to. I'm not particularly confident in my scumread of him, compared to the other two though.

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@Yshtola: #674 was too esoteric for a mere mortal like me to understand. Can you rephrase that in a more common tongue?

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I’m in a bit of a bad headspace right now cause I think I’m getting stood up for a date tonight
Hopefully he messages me back and says that it’s still happening!

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What do you think of Tom?

I find that I develop much stronger reads on people when I've interacted with them, so can I answer this question after I talk with Tom?

I feel like I'm at the grocery every time I scroll down to your avatar. I haven't ISOed you yet. Who is in your lynch pool?

To be honest, I'm not sure anymore. My scumreads on Fuzzy, Pops and Paragon have all weakened.

You know, I think I'm the only person in the game now that hasn't been the subject of a serious scumread and associating case against them.
I mean that no one has yet been like "Heres why eyestott is scum: yada yada yada"
It's good in that I can focus on reading people without also having to watch my back, but am I missing out on an integral part of the Mafia experience?

Anyways, hopefully I'll have a bit more clarity with my reads by the end of the night. Let's go!

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Spoiler:

Reasons for my gut scumread on Taly:

• A lot of these are based on tone and are hard to articulate.
  
• I want others to let me know if I'm stupid for scumreading someone for these posts, or if they get similar feelings.

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

tElL mE mOrE aBoUt BeInG a ToWn PoTaTo

@tali
Ok Wooper

hehe, do you have more to add than

"I don't do RVS"

and

"tali!"

,

wiiiiiiiissppppppppi

?

Robb -- You feeling this game yet?

Why ask Robb this of everyone?

If you guys are best buds, I need to know now so that I can try and kill you together.

Robb's a good guy. As far as I know there's no reason to lol either of us.

hehe, I can lol you both after I'm done with

Taco

, don't worry

y'all are gettin' some fuckin' homework assignments from me

LOL

I have NOT read a game you're in recent memory. Join date doesn't mean much to me above someone having like 1-2 games of mafia in

Y'shtola's

case. (((I thought you wanted to talk about her vote on

Fuzzy

btw?))))

Paragon

, calm with the role and setup spec... we don't need to give scum anymore information and there's nothing we can do as town about roles at this moment.

This was in response to 205. I don't see how talking about the number of scum in the game (information that is apparent to scum) is detrimental to talk about.

:/ Other than this I'm really just waiting for

Rabid/Fuzzy/Taco/Robb

to engage and

eyestott/Ame

to continue their reads/explanations.

goodnight lovelies, I'm loving the game momentum. It's a good mix between low and high energy that isn't chaotic or unnecessary.

No one has PTs with just the town aligned players, so why are attempts at deception necessarily targeted at other townies and not the mafia?
VOTE: Robbnva for a potential perspective slip.

I also have a post restriction to my role, but it doesn't trigger unless Y'shtola votes me.

Yo, Y'shtola, mind voting Pops and testing this claim?

p-edit

Did two people replace out because I fake claimed a post restriction? I just don't understand

wtf

oh my god

i just got mindfucked

Above 4 posts are

maybe

dumbtelling.

lol I genuinely was writing 479 and asking myself

"is it as easy as

pops/fuzzy/paragon

?"

Fuzzy, Taco, Rabid's replacement should be the three wagons.

LOL, nope. Townread deleted.

Not only is this NOT all the people who replaced, but why are you placing emphasis on low activity slots / replacements? There's tons of information and accusation to absolve in this thread and your first response is to retreat to slots that have the least impact OR suspected you?

I'm not buying it. Plus, why should there be 3 wagons? Aren't we trying to get a consensus on one?

Also, replacements should be given a fair chance to put their stake - why are you emphasizing a preemptive push there beyond sorting their slot any further.

I don't want to lynch outside of Pops/Paragon/Fuzzy today.

@Taly
Fine Lynch, me i dont care... I trying to do the best I can. I m not going to fake reads and thoughts to make yall happy. It takes a bit for me to put my thoughts together/ I know I not super helpful atm. I am not like you and can make instant-reads. If yall cant understand that than just it over with......

Also how am any worse/ scummier then those who are jumping on the easiest wagon available and making zero reason to explain why.???

I think Paragon is newbtown. that is the vibe I am getting from him, I gues he could be newbscum but my potato senses is telling me newb town.

Btw- I was right about Paragon in post 388- (So there that)

Can people stop AtE'ing me at any point I ask for their perspective or tap them?

I don't see anything scummy there, Para. This just looks like emotive language.

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UNVOTE:

I need a reset.
I'm starting my reads from scratch again.
@

everyone

: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?

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Soooo, I have in fact, been ghosted. He hasn’t even read any of my messages for 34 hours, but he’s still online on Grindr, the app we matched on

Oof.
I’ll get to posting when I wake up and have magically gotten over him. Sleep does magical things for me!

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I know I said I’d post a lot of content today, but in my defence, I went on a really amazing date that lasted for 7 hours and let’s just say I’m almost not a virgin anymore


Different guy, don’t worry!


I’ll stop talking about my dating now, but y’all can rest in piece knowing this ended in a happy ending
The Disney kind, that is.
If you want more deets I’ll be infodumping in Guys Part 2 soon
I’ll focus on this game for the next two hours though.

[eyestott]

I’ll spend tonight responding to questions posed towards me that I can answer quickly. Big responses tomorrow!

[eyestott]

Let’s just say, we didn’t go to an amusement park, but there were rides to be had
And I did say earlier to same that amusement park as a date took precedence over mafia

[eyestott]

Spoiler: Aloratom #772

I lost my grip on this game pretty early on due to people talking about things that I don't understand, referring to what I presume are games or comics or anime or something -- and using jargon and acronyms I'm not familiar with.

Me too, man. I've had to ask what certain acronyms and terms mean so many times this game. Can y'all like, explain what an acronym or term is the first time you use it in a sentence please? It would be very helpful!

I don't like that I have no vote down. Rest assured, by the time I'm done posting, I will.

Spoiler: Aloratom #777

What do you think of Tom?

I find that I develop much stronger reads on people when I've interacted with them, so can I answer this question after I talk with Tom?

I feel like I'm at the grocery every time I scroll down to your avatar. I haven't ISOed you yet. Who is in your lynch pool?

To be honest, I'm not sure anymore. My scumreads on Fuzzy, Pops and Paragon have all weakened.

You know, I think I'm the only person in the game now that hasn't been the subject of a serious scumread and associating case against them.
I mean that no one has yet been like "Heres why eyestott is scum: yada yada yada"
It's good in that I can focus on reading people without also having to watch my back, but am I missing out on an integral part of the Mafia experience?

Anyways, hopefully I'll have a bit more clarity with my reads by the end of the night. Let's go!

It helps when you're able to let your reads develop organically and not have them forced upon you I think. By your join date, I see that you've been around this a lot longer than I have, so I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know, but I've found it varies from game to game. And it's evolved for me since I started playing at the end of last year as well. I've found that it's usually not good for me to be forced to make reads because a lot of times those turn out to be mistakes. I prefer to take things in at my own pace. For me this makes for stronger, more correct reads.

I may agree with you on Paragon I think, although I need to go through an ISO there. But his Conspire deception is going to be a big factor in my analysis. That pretty much wiped out my first two or three days of reads before I became aware of what was happening and combined with the crazy way the posting has been in this game, my interest has waned significantly. I have a Town lean on Pops, and Fuzzy a scum lean still. I just need to go back and re-read/catch-up.

Yeah, definitely. I think another aspect to it is that it's been so long since my last game that I have very little confidence in my ability to scumhunt accurately. What I mean is that if I come up with a theory no one has thought off, I write it off because why would I be the only person to think of something that's actually correct? I feel like I'm more likely to vote accurately by trying to find a townread that I can trust, listen to what they have to say ,and vote in line with them (unless I happen to come across a particularly strong scumread or significantly disagree with them).

Spoiler: Ame #782

@everyone: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?

Para. He's an asset as town and a significant threat as scum. It's best to sort him early.

You know, I think I'm the only person in the game now that hasn't been the subject of a serious scumread and associating case against them.
I mean that no one has yet been like "Heres why eyestott is scum: yada yada yada"
It's good in that I can focus on reading people without also having to watch my back, but am I missing out on an integral part of the Mafia experience?

I'm still unsure about you. You've been pretty open but there's a paranoia coming from somewhere that I haven't identified yet. I plan on doing a thorough review of you today.

What is the most useful thing that Para has done in this game in your opinion, Ame?
eyy finally, SOMEONE suspects me!

[eyestott]

Current readslist, which will be updated very soon once I've gone through more of the recent game.
eyestott

Luca Blight
Aloratom


NDMath
Taly
Ame
Paragon

Yshtola Rhul
TheFuzzylogic99
popsofctown


No read: Taco and Wiisp (need to ISO them)

[eyestott]

Spoiler: Page 33, 34, 35 and 36

UNVOTE:

I need a reset.
I'm starting my reads from scratch again.
@

everyone

: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?

I think I would keep my memory of the small sequence of Luca posts that seemed really town indicative to me. It's not impossible for me to decide the slot is scummy later but in Autumnal Luca stopped towntelling when the posture of the gamestate stopped lending itself easily to opportunities to do so, I would want to keep those on the balance sheet.
I'd discard townreads on eyestott and Paragon that are likely to regenerate themselves.
I'm not confident enough in any of my scumreads for them to be candidates for keeping.

I mostly like this answer and the reasoning behind it.

Ok yea Eyes is town. I fully agree with pops and Para on that one. Sorry Eyes I wanted to give you the being-scum-read experience but you're just too pure.

DAMNIT

My play is so drastically different from my scum game, I think you would pick up on it.

2 scum really changes things.

Pops/Para : Luca/Para : Luca/Taly

One of these is the scum team.

Why just two scum? I realize there was a conversation about it earlier, but you sound pretty confident.

And are you basing the teams on associatives, scummy behavior or vote analysis?

Just the fact that I can't form a 3 person team. This is a post I was working on before but canceled once I realized none of the pairings worked:

I'm getting pretty close to the solve here. It's within pops, Luca, Para, Taly, Fuzzy.

Fuzzy =/= Taly 112, 153 (also town indicative for Taly)
Hmm I thought before that pop v taly looked bussy but reviewing 153 and 180 I don't think so. pops =/= Taly
Para =/ Taly bottom of 521.

So Taly is town

.

pops, Luca, Para, Fuzzy.

Luca =/= Fuzzy 644
Fuzzy =/= Para 280, 388, 718, 715.

So Fuzzy is town.

pops, Luca, Para

Verifying...

Error pops =/ Luca based on the discussion regarding Rabid, especially 624 and 657

Solve broken. Back to the drawing board.

You started Purgatory with an extremely strong townread. I don't think those are categorically different. You had better reasoning in Purgatory though, which somehow means you should have a redder alignment in this game than that one. It's baffling.

It means the opposite. There I was concerned with being town read. Here I am not. Taly recognized this. And it feels like you're deliberately avoiding that conclusion.

I disagree with the conclusion, but the reasoning here and the attempt to solve feels quite townie to me.

I would like popsofctown to be town for once, so I have decided that she is infact town. I would like her to know that I am

not

a framer.

Y'shtola Rhul, who is this sin-bringer you speak of that has entered our ranks? Is it popsofctown or someone else?

A Sign of a Red Colour, sporting the word "Stop"

Sin Eaters are the embodiment of the primordial light that threatens our world. I've lost the scent of that which I believe is our likeliest chance of hitting one such creature, but rest assured I will do my utmost to resume the chase by finding another.

geee, im definitely caught scum now, how the fuck will i ever recover after 725

hopes and dreams of ever reaching that don clerone scummy have been dashed, time to go back to the newbie queue and self-vote every game to repent my transgressions

Taly, how often do you get angry as a Warrior of Light and as a Sin Eater?

There's impressively little else I wish to comment on.

I will consolidate my thoughts and decide on a course of action anon.

VOTE: Taco

Speak your piece, silent one.

I don't like the content Yshtola is bringing out. The flavour behind the posting is making it very hard to follow, and I feel like she is putting much more effort into the flavour and hiding behind it than actually contributing to the game.

New Reads list:
eyestott

Luca Blight
Aloratom
Ame

NDMath
Taly
Paragon
Wiisp

popsofctown
TheFuzzylogic99
Yshtola Rhul

No read: Taco

[eyestott]

oops, missed a post, response to page 33 coming up, this should be read before my previous post

[eyestott]

Spoiler: Page 32

geee, im definitely caught scum now, how the fuck will i ever recover after 725

hopes and dreams of ever reaching that don clerone scummy have been dashed, time to go back to the newbie queue and self-vote every game to repent my transgressions

This reads more like scum trying to emulate !town humor than it reads like town humor. It seems kind of off. Like, if I read it with the presumption Taly is scum, it is funny, and if I read it with the presumption Tally is town, it reads unfunny, and I kind of wouldn't expect town!Tally to post something like that? Most jokes are for ourselves to laugh at, after all. At least, with as few laughs as I get from others trying, they had better be.

Yeah... I see the point you're trying to make, but I don't agree with it.

It wasn't meant to be funny.

VOTE: Taly

UNVOTE:

I need a reset.
I'm starting my reads from scratch again.
@

everyone

: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?

Aloratom

-town, that's the read that helps me keep a grasp on the game at hand.

In a gamestate where 3 confident wagons crumbled for 0 reason,

Alo

asserting his push on

Paragon

and sticking by to what wagons he finds as town is +++ against lack of cohesion and promotes town direction. It doesn't align with a scum-motivated narrative or agenda.

Agreed, I initially was leaning scum for Alora, but I really like what he's been posting recently.

What do you think of Tom?

I find that I develop much stronger reads on people when I've interacted with them, so can I answer this question after I talk with Tom?

I feel like I'm at the grocery every time I scroll down to your avatar. I haven't ISOed you yet. Who is in your lynch pool?

To be honest, I'm not sure anymore. My scumreads on Fuzzy, Pops and Paragon have all weakened.

You know, I think I'm the only person in the game now that hasn't been the subject of a serious scumread and associating case against them.
I mean that no one has yet been like "Heres why eyestott is scum: yada yada yada"
It's good in that I can focus on reading people without also having to watch my back, but am I missing out on an integral part of the Mafia experience?

Anyways, hopefully I'll have a bit more clarity with my reads by the end of the night. Let's go!

good grief I want the whatever the opposite of a dayvig is so I can discharge it on this slot

like it hurts wow

Plz stop

i want to throw up at the gamelong white-knight

pops/paragon

have launched on

eyestott's

slot.

Me too tbh, I feel like I'm being catcalled

[eyestott]

How would you describe your gameplay?

I would describe myself as a scholar to the art of mafia, here to learn what I can in order to defeat the threat of the Sin Eaters.

I am not the hero of the story, I am merely an assistant to the Warriors of Light that maintain the front lines in our fight. That is my purpose.

UGH can someone tell me why I find this scummy?
VOTE: Yshtola Rhul

[eyestott]

eyestott

, social experiment, towncase me even if you don't believe I'm town.

I've never been good at debating a case that I don't believe in, and I'm pretty null on you atm, but I'll get to this once I'm done with my replying.

[eyestott]

If eyestott's town, he's either NK bait or a very good late-term slot that perpetuates paranoia, his perception is also slightly skewed.

Can confirm, I am not very good at this game XD'
I am curious though Taly, so please, humor me.

What would your response be if I refused to acquiesce to your request?

[eyestott]

Aloratom
Luca Blight/Rabid Schnauzer
eyestott
Wiisp
popsofctown
Ame/Atarashi Hajimari
Yshtola Rhul
TheFuzzylogic99
Taly
NDMath/Robbnva
Taco

Not much has changed.

• I like Ame more now after recent events; mainly for her Luca case.
  
• Wiisp hasn't done anything towny for a while - this is true, but his awareness of being called town despite that is towny.
  
• eyestott has trended down a little for recent lack of game-related activity, but I expect his resurgence to shore up that read again.
  
• Taly shifts slightly down because I found myself agreeing with popsofctown's recent points on him. My read on him is like a pendulum.

This is unacceptable Paragon. I MUST BE NUMBER ONE

[eyestott]

smh, complains no one scumreads him, then hard townreads himself in his readslist, such hypocrisy

You told me in the cult PT to put myself at the top though, cause originally I was in the middle....

[eyestott]

If eyestott's town, he's either NK bait or a very good late-term slot that perpetuates paranoia, his perception is also slightly skewed.

Can confirm, I am not very good at this game XD'
I am curious though Taly, so please, humor me.

What would your response be if I refused to acquiesce to your request?

Elaborate on the bolded so it's clear what my response would be to --- you'd do?

Earlier you asked me to make a towncase for you. What would you do if I refused to?

[eyestott]

I’m willing to contribute to this wagon, but I won’t let the hammer happen before Ame is back.
VOTE: NDMath
I don’t believe the reads are genuine

Also fml with the new lockdown stuff for Australia today my plans to finally get some may be postponed for another few months

[eyestott]

Yeah I’ll unvote if we get to L-1 really quickly

[eyestott]

Hi Churros! I like your entrance, though there’s a small voice in my mind telling me “he’s only townreading you cause it’s convenient”
Is there any piece of reasoning you’d be willing to give me for that read?

[eyestott]

Sweet, thanks for that. What do you think of Rabid’s replaceout?

[eyestott]

eyestott might be town.

I’ll take it! If it means that Blake will be understandable, I’m happy!

[eyestott]

there really isnt a reason to think Pops is town but that push is still aids
Don't care what he flips, won't change my opinion

I take issue with you making light of AIDS
Please don’t

[eyestott]

Hasn't it been cured?

Nope. Still tons of gay men who have aids. The medicine to prevent its transmission (PreP) is relatively common but it’s still a big issue

[eyestott]

also jesus christ people, I dont have anything against anyone
I am attacking the post not the player
I just use it as another word for stupid, nothing more nothing less

Yeah, the issue is that you treating aids as a synonym for stupid is inherently homophobic, even if you don’t mean it that way.

[eyestott]

Mod notice

• Wiisp has asked to be replaced. Seeking a replacement.

R/amithebadguy

[eyestott]

I agree completely. Wiisp, no hard feelings, I know you didn't mean to offend.

[eyestott]

Is it normal to have this many replaceouts on day one?

[eyestott]

I’m not really sure what it meant. Like, I don’t think I’m the best person to be in LyLo. I’m not confident enough with reads to be able to be the deciding vote, and I’m not good enough at defending myself or making a case against the other person if I’m one of the dichotomy.

[eyestott]

Oh wait, LyLo doesn’t have to mean people lol

[eyestott]

Damnit, three people*
Why’d it fuck with your brain?

[eyestott]

Conclusion: Fuzzy is confidently town to me and I think he's just being hard mislynch-baited. Even in the reality that he's somehow scum - I want to pay attention to heavy, critical several other slots before I consider lynching - but yeah, I'm feeling town.

I really appreciate that ISO and your insights Taly. I wouldn’t say he’s quite as confidently tend to me now as he is to you, but I agree with most of the points. Furthermore, I don’t think you’d be getting this frustrated over not being heard as scum

[eyestott]

So many new people! Welcome, Something_Smart and Firebringer! I'm the resident idiot/universal townread :/
Firebringer, are you planning on catching up on the previous posts, or starting fresh?
As far as I can tell, S_S, you've chosen the latter, yes?

[eyestott]

oof, I'm going to be doing people's work for them...

Alo/NDMath/Luca

are actually next ISOs.

Luca

, I'm having a lot of trouble fathoming the votepark wagon on

NDMath

.

For 50+ pages of content, a replace-in getting the lynch for a

"bad readslist"

that's no worse than most other readslist in this game - AND has expressed that they haven't provided a full train of thought... it's just doesn't feel lynch-worthy, or overtly scum-indicative.

With this stagnant voting near EoD1, I'm starting to think most of scum have casted their votes and have consistently bloc'ed onto one of the day's major wagons, potentially even the current ones

Fuzzy/NDMath

.

I believe town is on that wagon, but I don't think it's scum-pushed... If the problem people have with

NDMath

is

"their reasoning being faked"

then why don't they put effort in themselves to read them?

Regardless of

NDMath's

alignment, I don't think this wagon is getting anywhere other than one of the stalest ass lynches that we could pull right now.

I'm thoroughly unconvinced and I'm even more vexed that people aren't trying to convince me. It's sketchy as hell considering the gamestate.

Very good point, Taly. Specifically that last line. UNVOTE:
If you had some voting power; who would you have lynched today?

[eyestott]

I’m feeling a bit directionless at the moment, I have no idea where to go from here. Any suggestions?

[eyestott]

I’m gonna read the townplay articles on the wiki, then get back to you

[eyestott]

Sorry for the recent inactivity y'all, its been a mix of hectic life brought on by lockdown procedures in victoria (now you can be fined $1600 for a public gathering of more than 2 people not of the same household!) and utter confusion. I'm willing to be the hammer vote for fuzzy if his claim doesn't change circumstances.

[eyestott]

Oh I thought he was at L-1. VOTE: Fuzzy
Now he is.

[eyestott]

Luca, do you think a NDMath Lynch is possible at this point? You expressed intent to lynch, are you intending to follow through?

[eyestott]

Fuck. Two Nightkills? I can't remember being in a double elimination night before.
Under normal rules, there cant be two anti-town NKs without significant shenanigans, right? Like, is a Vigilante the only explanation?

[eyestott]

The extra kill has to be from a form of vigilante. (1-shot, full, JOAT, etc.)

In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

'iInteresting' is a good word choice here.
VOTE: Blake

She was pretty much the only person who thought fuzzy's lynch would probably hit scum (maybe barring pops who fuzzy was tunnelling.) And I find it scummy how the flip against her reads almost makes her more confident in her reads.
I agree with Churros that her answers about Rhul don't quite hold up either.

VOTE: NDMath

This post is not town.

Can you expand on your reasoning? I’m just trying to sort out this exchange

[eyestott]

Is this really all you have to say?

VOTE: Eyestott

No Taly, it’s not. Look at the post previous to your own. I’m still trying to sort out Churros and Blake because functionally they’re both very new players to this game. I was following your reasoning up until your vote on me but this has left me confused (and exhilarated! Finally, I’ve lost my voteginity hahaha). Are you voting me to get me to contribute?
I’m feeling a bit defeated right now, considering how shit of a night we just had. Where’s the best place for me to put my effort so I can contribute more?

[eyestott]

Wonderful. I'll be waiting for your in-depth thoughts on Churros/Blake as they're a pair I cannot put off sorting here.

Churros is still quite a strong town read because based off my townreading Ame

Well I’m an idiot. I’m still confusing the replacements with eachother, that’s not a good sign. I’m struggling to read Churros for a reason I can’t say without breaking site rules. I need some more interaction with him in this game to develop my read on him. Blake is in my scumread group at the moment, along with NDMath. Pops and fuzzy we’re both scumreads of mine until recently so I need to re-examine day one. I suspect that either Churros or Something_Smart will become my third strongest scumread.

Good that you feel exhilarated, that's much better than getting upset over the night. I felt like shit for 2 seconds, but then that all burned into vindication.

Can you give me a townread at any degree of confidence?

Myself!



Oh, that doesn’t count? The Ame/Firebringer slot is a rather strong townreading of mine right now based off of Ame Day 1. You’re a relatively strong one too. Aloratom rounds out the townreading group. Paragon is null for me, but with a town lean.

The best place you can put effort is me, or anybody else who has a vote, or anyone else... I don't have enough opinions of your posts and that worries me. I think you could be scum riding the waves while everybody else cannibalizes the other. Either that, or the townreads on you truly are justified but haven't implied your posting to be strong since 2 people were nicer NK targets than you. Is this a weak or unfair assessment?

Nope, not at all! I’m assuming that Pops was murdered by the vigilante because that makes much more sense than the reverse. So with that said, Luca contributed much more to the town than I did day one. And that’s fine. I’m not expecting to carry my first game in 4 or so years. I’m treating this specific game as me refamiliarising myself with mafia(scum) as an adult, rather than as a teenager who hadn’t even accepted his sexuality yet.

[eyestott]

VOTE: NDMath
Should’ve done this earlier. This ones for you, Luca.

[eyestott]

Will you be interested if I claim?

[eyestott]

have you ever seen Sense8? That’s my favourite Netflix show.

[eyestott]

I’m here y’all. Expect lots of activity in the next 3 hours once I wake up properly. Sorry for my bad playstyle today.

[eyestott]

Okay, here we go!

Spoiler: Excuses Schmexcuses

I injured my back at the gym about a month ago and it's been getting worse ever since, but the past few days I've been pretty much bedridden. Then we also had rain so bad that part of our house flooded, so not fun either. I've also just been feeling quite disheartened about this game. Quite a few of you have called me out today for being a bad player, which is much harder to deal with emotionally than being scumread, especially with everything else going on in my life.

Ask me questions about things y'all, and I'll engage with you as best I can.

[eyestott]

Also, do you think your reply to my vote on you was weird? 1959

Just looked at it. Nope. I wouldn't change what I said. Then again, I have the benefit of actually knowing my own headspace.
Do you just want a hierarchy for the readslist, or in depth explanations for each one?

[eyestott]

Reads:

Town
Myself
Aloratom
Taly

Null
Firebringer
Churros
Paragon

Scum
Something Smart
Blake
NDMath

[eyestott]

Taly, could you also address how your read on eyestott changes based on NDMath's flip? Is your scumread on him an independent or associative one?

Paragon, lets chat.
What do you think of NDMath's claim?

[eyestott]

So, you come with the idea that S_S/Blake/NDMath have bussed each other this dayphase, in some form or another. Can you explain why?

As well as, why NDMath is the best lynch here? Does it follow Blake's logic?

Not gonna lie, my reads arent based on interactions, just how scummy I find people individually.
I don't actually remember the last time I played scum, it must've been on my old account (as istott). So I can't really speak to how uncommon it would be for the whole scumteam to be bussing eachother.
Okay. Gonna start with my explanations now.

[eyestott]

Spoiler: Aloratom

This read is based on Aloratom consistently producing quality content that doesn't seem forced in any way, and often says things that I'm already thinking, which is a very good sign (from my perspective). Here are some examples.

Mmm, that may change. Haven't felt anything overtly scum-indicative.

S_S

pings me more for lack of content,

NDMath

because of his lackluster D2 posting, and

Alo

also had net 0 to discuss when there was plenty of content to.

Part of my quick townreading of

Blake/Churros

is that I don't see why scum would still be in the limelight if town has been pretty much cannibalized each other this game so far.

And there's just so much opportunity for

Blake/Churros

to scumread, misrep, or dismiss the other people's POV but they're working cohesively last page.

So yeah, my reads are becoming PoE based, and it makes sense given the gamestate read where

Blake/Churros

are town since we're the most vocal.

We're not even 24 hours into Day 2, Taly. It's a little early to be calling people out for lack of content.

This was something I was already thinking and doesn't strike me as something scum would say.

Why did you question my Fire read when you also had Ame as high town?

Any response to Taly’s 1600?

Bah. I had Firebringer subbing in for Wiisp.

And I'm wading through Taly's ISOs.

Again, this is something I often do as town, but would be impossible to do as scum if on a team with wisp/S_S OR Ame/Firebringer.

@Aloratom:

Last time you posted a readslist, at 1579, I was your highest townread, whereas, as of your most recent post, you're considering the idea of scumstott. Was my response to Taly's vote all that weird? Cause I don't see it.
And sorry, totally missed the questions you posed me earlier.

I’m willing to contribute to this wagon, but I won’t let the hammer happen before Ame is back.
VOTE: NDMath
I don’t believe the reads are genuine

Also fml with the new lockdown stuff for Australia today my plans to finally get some may be postponed for another few months

oof, I'm going to be doing people's work for them...

Alo/NDMath/Luca

are actually next ISOs.

Luca

, I'm having a lot of trouble fathoming the votepark wagon on

NDMath

.

For 50+ pages of content, a replace-in getting the lynch for a

"bad readslist"

that's no worse than most other readslist in this game - AND has expressed that they haven't provided a full train of thought... it's just doesn't feel lynch-worthy, or overtly scum-indicative.

With this stagnant voting near EoD1, I'm starting to think most of scum have casted their votes and have consistently bloc'ed onto one of the day's major wagons, potentially even the current ones

Fuzzy/NDMath

.

I believe town is on that wagon, but I don't think it's scum-pushed... If the problem people have with

NDMath

is

"their reasoning being faked"

then why don't they put effort in themselves to read them?

Regardless of

NDMath's

alignment, I don't think this wagon is getting anywhere other than one of the stalest ass lynches that we could pull right now.

I'm thoroughly unconvinced and I'm even more vexed that people aren't trying to convince me. It's sketchy as hell considering the gamestate.

Very good point, Taly. Specifically that last line. UNVOTE:
If you had some voting power; who would you have lynched today?

Sorry for the recent inactivity y'all, its been a mix of hectic life brought on by lockdown procedures in victoria (now you can be fined $1600 for a public gathering of more than 2 people not of the same household!) and utter confusion. I'm willing to be the hammer vote for fuzzy if his claim doesn't change circumstances.

Oh I thought he was at L-1. VOTE: Fuzzy
Now he is.

You unvoted NDMath Day 1 because it was a stale wagon. Then you ended up voting for Fuzzy, but you didn't give a reason for voting for him. And today you're voting NDMath out of the gate. Did you have a scum read on NDMath yesterday and just give up on it?

I gave up on it because I was also scumreading Fuzzy and thought he was the more viable lynch. But now that Luca is confirmed town by his death, it further solidifies my scumread on NDMath. My unvote on NDMath D1 was because Taly said "I'm thoroughly unconvinced and I'm even more vexed that people aren't trying to convince me. It's sketchy as hell considering the gamestate."
That line caused me to suspect Luca and his push on ND. Now that I know I can trust what Luca said, I feel much better about lynching NDMath, even with his VT claim.

[eyestott]

Before I move further with my reads, I have an important question. For this question, please assume that I am town.
What is the best way for me to get better at this game in terms of contributing to the town? Right now my strategy would be to find a strong townread who knows what they're doing, and follow their leadership. This results from my lack of experience/confidence in my own scumhunting ability. So, the best way for me to move away from this strategy would be to get better at scumhunting. I know that analysing meta, interactions, tone and voting are all good things to do, but that's too many options for me to choose from right now. I feel like I need to get better at one of those things first, then I can add in the others later.

[eyestott]

Alora, I agree my posting today has been quite different tonally, and I understand your change of perspective. I'm not gonna lie, I'm finding it quite hard to stay engaged in this game right now. I think the constant replacements really screwed with my head, especially the fact that I essentially caused Rabid to replace by satirically claiming a role restriction, THEN caused wiisp to replace out by calling him out. It's just not the kind of thing I want to deal with in a game where my primary motivation is to have fun.
This is just starting to feel less like a game and more like a uni assignment.
But that doesn't excuse the changes in my reads. However, I could call you out for the untelegraphed changes in your own read on me. But here's the thing:
It isn't alignment indicative.

[eyestott]

Can we massclaim?

[eyestott]

Can we massclaim?

Do you think that's a good idea? If there's any investigatives with info, they should say so, and ask for a massclaim with them going last.

Otherwise, I don't see the point of PRs outing themselves unless they're going to be lynched.

Me. I am an investigative with information.

[eyestott]

I’d rather be last.

[eyestott]

I am refraining from commenting on the current situation until claims have happened.

[eyestott]

Eyestott, what do you think the claim order should be?

Just do it, as Taly said

[eyestott]

Actually, never mind everyone. I got the person to claim who I wanted to claim.
Hold off for a minute

[eyestott]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Ha! You fools! ‘Twas not a hypothetical question, it was a crumb!
I’m a neopolitan.
Night one I targeted Luca, getting a VT result. So I was quite excited to hear this news.

Only to discover that not only was he dead, BUT ANOTHER VT TOO. 3/3 of the dead people were VTs by the time I said fuck at the start of D2. My first post was representative of me thinking “ugh, I’m probably the only investigative, and I’m likely gonna have no useful results.”

Night 2 I decided the same strategy of investigating a strong townread that I can get behind if I can clear them as a VT. I investigated Taly, and got a “not a VT” result.

[eyestott]

I’m fine with myself being tonight’s night kill because my lynching was pretty likely until this point.
Because now, the scum need to either kill me tonight so I can’t clear a townie for tomorrow, or hope that I get a non-informative result and bring a mislynch upon me.

[eyestott]

Eyestott, you should choose the claim order now.

The reason I asked for a massclaim has been fulfilled by Taly claiming. I revoke my request.

[eyestott]

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

[eyestott]

Eyestott, you should choose the claim order now.

The reason I asked for a massclaim has been fulfilled by Taly claiming. I revoke my request.

Ok but it's LYLO so we need to be massclaiming anyway.

Taly, what do you think of S_S’ desire for a massclaim? Do you agree that a massclaim needs to happen?

[eyestott]

I’m fine with myself being tonight’s night kill because my lynching was pretty likely until this point.
Because now, the scum need to either kill me tonight so I can’t clear a townie for tomorrow, or hope that I get a non-informative result and bring a mislynch upon me.

so, wanna townbloc?

too tired to quote where i most said

alo/ame slot

were town, but i suggest you read it.

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

hehe, i see some parallels to this convo and:

I'm paranoid of Blake because she's a really strong player. I'm still not entirely convinced she posted in my scum PT in apocalypse, it seems hard to believe.
To sort her correctly I want to try to pick at and guess at whether each of her reads are correct, or mistaken for reasons she genuinely believes that I can be confident she genuinely believes
For a high volume poster that becomes more important because that's the slot where her reads should trend the farthest away from rand
My last post was about Blake faking a townread on you, not about whether you're scum, it could definitely be a TMI.
I don't see why this is necessarily about you. Why is everything about you, Taly? You're getting a little myopic sometimes. Also you're no longer a cute Wooper and are only showing one eye so you are also cyclopic.

I guess I'll leave this alone, this line of thought goes directly against what I figured about your approach in 1665.

You can be town.

I think you might be town

taly/pops

D1 Arc completed

cHaRaCtEr DeVeLoPmEnT

Are we characters in a visual novel?
Is none of this real?
You're making me think about Ame
That's mean

Omg yass, we just need to finish the pattern with my death tonight lol

[eyestott]

Taly, what do you think of S_S’ desire for a massclaim?

I don't follow why he wants to massclaim but passed here:

Let's play Popcorn. Start us off, Something_Smart!

I'll pass. Let's see what eyestott says.

Felt defensive, but that could be town-indicative, still.

If he's strong on the idea that both of us are town, (him saying I'm town all game and that my assessment of

you/Para

indicates T-T), then I want to know why he's waiting for reactions.

Could be a playstyle difference, but when I saw your initiation I was like

"oh shit, let's clear some people"

, and that's not the reaction I felt from him or

Paragon

.

I agree with you. There was a shift in paragon yesterday that I noticed but didn’t draw attention to. When I get home from the shops I’ll see if I can find it.

Pedit:

Gimme a min, my phone is on 1%

[eyestott]

Order for claims:
S_S
Paragon
Churros
Battlemage
Aloratom

[eyestott]

I think it's almost impossible that Para and S_S are both town.

[eyestott]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Ha! You fools! ‘Twas not a hypothetical question, it was a crumb!
I’m a neopolitan.
Night one I targeted Luca, getting a VT result. So I was quite excited to hear this news.

Only to discover that not only was he dead, BUT ANOTHER VT TOO. 3/3 of the dead people were VTs by the time I said fuck at the start of D2. My first post was representative of me thinking “ugh, I’m probably the only investigative, and I’m likely gonna have no useful results.”

Night 2 I decided the same strategy of investigating a strong townread that I can get behind if I can clear them as a VT. I investigated Taly, and got a “not a VT” result.

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

I'm baffled that Eyestott thinks this means Taly is somehow confirmed town. I mean surely he couldn't actually believe that right?

I believe (at least) one of Eyestott and Paragon must be scum, based on voting patterns. Instinctively I believe the Eyestott claim, but the behaviour towards Taly, given we are presumably at LYLO, makes me hesitate on that.

No, I don’t. But I find Taly to be the most likely person to be town here. And I’m willing to, just for this day, work with that fact.

[eyestott]

I'm a lot more confident on Taly being scum than eyestott. Just because of the manner of his claim and explaining his previous thoughts on prior day phases. Why do you think Churros is the obvious partner rather than Something_Smart?

When you say “the manner of his claim” which of us are you referring to?

[eyestott]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Ha! You fools! ‘Twas not a hypothetical question, it was a crumb!
I’m a neopolitan.
Night one I targeted Luca, getting a VT result. So I was quite excited to hear this news.

Only to discover that not only was he dead, BUT ANOTHER VT TOO. 3/3 of the dead people were VTs by the time I said fuck at the start of D2. My first post was representative of me thinking “ugh, I’m probably the only investigative, and I’m likely gonna have no useful results.”

Night 2 I decided the same strategy of investigating a strong townread that I can get behind if I can clear them as a VT. I investigated Taly, and got a “not a VT” result.

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

I'm baffled that Eyestott thinks this means Taly is somehow confirmed town. I mean surely he couldn't actually believe that right?

I believe (at least) one of Eyestott and Paragon must be scum, based on voting patterns. Instinctively I believe the Eyestott claim, but the behaviour towards Taly, given we are presumably at LYLO, makes me hesitate on that.

No, I don’t. But I find Taly to be

the most likely person to be town here

. And I’m willing to, just for this day, work with that fact.

Why on earth would you find Taly the most likely person to be town here?

I've literally never seen anyone so obviously scum....

Im not sure I see it, but I’m open to you pointing things out.

[eyestott]

At the very least, this clears Taly, Something_Smart and I as a team

Why?

[eyestott]

Random question. Am I allowed to record and post a video instead of typing a post?

And Paragon, when are you changing your avatar?

[eyestott]

Eyestott - how about explaining why Taly is town?

The frustration seems genuine to me. And Taly has been carrying the discussion and promoting activity from people for the whole game.

[eyestott]

Random question. Am I allowed to record and post a video instead of typing a post?

And Paragon, when are you changing your avatar?

Are you not a fan of Angry Kamek?

Oh no, I just remember you saying something about changing it when D3 started

[eyestott]

Eye please help me keep from all-caps raging, please and thank you.

Okay meet me in the scum PT in 5 for a Kiki

[eyestott]

I suppose. But Tone-wise, he still seems towny to me.

[eyestott]

I don’t want a Taly lynch today. I want to work with him for the next few real life days and see where it takes us.
P-edit:I’d be potentially willing to explore that, but not until the massclaim is done.

[eyestott]

If you’re trying to convince me to believe your other cases by making a case that is, from my view, completely incorrect, you’re going to be dissapointed.

Like, what’s that supposed to achieve if it’s directed at me? Everyone has either been on one, two, or both of the final wagons.

[eyestott]

Oh hi Eyestott, there you are again!

My response was directed at that.

It’s midnight. Going to sleep. Nighty Night!

[eyestott]

Oh goddammit.

Now my reads actually matter.

Can you confirm you received a gun last night?

[eyestott]

Okay
lets assume that the all the PR Claims are true. That makes Churros, myself, Taly and S_S town.
I'll admit that Taly's claim initially seemed slightly implausible (why 2-shot?) but that specificity lends a lot of credibility to Churros' claim, and vice versa. I don't see Churros and Taly being a different alignment to each other right now, so the scumteams would either be Churros/Taly/maybe S_S? (which makes this setup 3 scum vs 1 neapolitan and 1 1-shot vig, which is hardly fair) or Alo/Para/BM. Both Alo AND Para shifted in their view towards me yesterday in a very similar way, and Alo's reaction to my D2 towncase on him was ESPECIALLY odd.
I do not approve of BM's playstyle D3; I suspect he's trying to increase the tension in the room to cloud people's judgements. Are there 2 or 3 votes on him atm?

[eyestott]

@Taly: I'm not sure who out of Churros/Alo is scum. Other than that I believe we're on the same page.
And @Paragon, I'm still deciding who I'll be investigating.

[eyestott]

I really want to vote BM


Shall I?

[eyestott]

I think I will.
VOTE: BattleMaster

Taly, I’m choosing to put my faith in you.

If you’re scum, I will cry.

[eyestott]

Yes, agreed.

[eyestott]

Aloratom said he’d be busy for the rest of the day, and then he can START getting to this
I don’t think I want to wait that long.

[eyestott]

I mean, I don’t have a choice, it’s just that I’m impatient hahaha

[eyestott]

That would mean that it’s 3 scum vs 8 VTs and a 1shot vig?

[eyestott]

And since at least one of us is town, if BM is town, the remaining scum would’ve hammered by now unless it’s Alo

[eyestott]

That’s assuming that two of Taly/Churros/Eye are scum and one is town.
Same situation if one or zero are scum.

[eyestott]

That’s true, but I feel like you can confirm that the town would have more than 1 power role

[eyestott]

For the record, I think it’s totally balanced




Oh wait

[eyestott]

Aaaand, that’s the hammer folks

[eyestott]

Me too, tbh. I’m very confused how he came to the same conclusion as us.
But also how he can think S_S can be scum and Churros be town?

[eyestott]

Paragon is vanilla townie.

[eyestott]

Paragon. I’m town. Please believe me. I swear on my life I’m not trying to dupe you.

[eyestott]

Paragon, what will it take for you to trust that I'm town?
I'm pretty sure at this point that the scumteam is Taly/Churros, mainly from a setup point of view. They also don't seem to understand how the neapolitan actually works.
Something_Smart was the most likely person to be nightkilled other than myself (Though scum leaving me alive to mislynch me now is a good play on their end) because a lynch on him was unlikely for today given the alleged clear from Churros. His death proves that it was the correct decision for me to NOT target him. Taly's question of "why didn't you target the person who ended up dead" answers itself.
Paragon, you asking me to investigate you IS in fact a reason why I investigated you. You taking the initiative to try to extend that leaf to me seemed towny in my eyes, and you're much more active right now than Alo, so It'd be much easier to work together with you than Alo.

[eyestott]

Also, I want a better answer on why you wanted - only me - to claim specifically D3.

You had a non-VT result, but why didn't you survey the opportunity of pushing a case on me to help sort me, or if you thought I genuinely was a Town PR, why did you want me to out my claim in the beginning?

pushing you is difficult, especially if I don't have concrete evidence against you. I considered that gambit that you can do with investigative roles (the one where you claim a different form of guilty result to catch the person out in a lie), but wasn't confident that it wouldn't backfire.

[eyestott]

I could see Curros finally spelling my name right


But neither of those two things are true, eh Chruos?

[eyestott]

Charles

[eyestott]

Alora, I’ve cleared Paragon. He cannot be scum
Unless you think he’s on a team with me

[eyestott]

Alora, Neapolitan doesn’t work how you think it works


Scum Churros will return a result of not a vannjjla townie
PR Churros will return a result of not a vanilla townie
Why would I target him?

[eyestott]

The only correct choices to target would’ve been either paragon or yourself.
Do you think I should’ve targeted you?
If so, why not ask me to target you during D3?

[eyestott]

The only correct choices to target would’ve been either paragon or yourself.
Do you think I should’ve targeted you?
If so, why not ask me to target you during D3?

You could have picked Something_Smart also, right?

I could’ve, but with him being the NK, that would’ve been the incorrect decision

[eyestott]

If you're right, eyestott, and I think you may be, then the Bulletproof doesn't really make sense.

Alora, Neapolitan doesn’t work how you think it works


Scum Churros will return a result of not a vannjjla townie
PR Churros will return a result of not a vanilla townie
Why would I target him?

I understand you now I think. Why did you pick Paragon and not Something_Smart or me?

Paragon showed the initiative and asked me to check him, whereas it didn’t seem like you were putting as much effort into the game during day 3.
I felt having a sure read on Paragon would be a win either way, cause I would either get to force a lynch between he and I or have someone I can work together with effectively.

[eyestott]

I’m becoming more and more sure of Chose/Taly


(And Churros, I’m gonna butcher your name more and more until I die.)

[eyestott]

No, I get it. No judgement or anything, don’t feel bad about having a life. You’re here now.

[eyestott]

Ahh, Taly. And we were townbloced yesterday. How quickly things change when you feel like you can mislynch me

[eyestott]

I really am sorry for the flaming that you received from BM yesterday, even if you are scum

[eyestott]

It can be

[eyestott]

I really am sorry for the flaming that you received from BM yesterday, even if you are scum

Thank you, but I have a feeling that that's Battle Mage's personality (at least online personality), and I've been dealing with that kind of thing for a long time. The key is not to take anything that's said online to heart unless you want it to.

That was actually directed at Taly!

[eyestott]

I feel confident in a Churros lynch.
What do you think, Alo?
And Paragon also

[eyestott]

It's kind of weird, if you've always suspected I fakeclaimed, why were you content with me jumping into your pocket?

Need me to send you the posts as a reminder?

Can you explain what “me jumping into your pocket” means?

[eyestott]

In my eyes it has to be the Bulletproof or the Neapolitan that doesn't exist.

I'm really coming around to [Eyestott/Churros], [Paragon/Eyestott], [Paragon/Churros].

You say that either the BP or Nea that doesn't exist but you're putting me in two different scum teams and not mentioning Taly at all?

They don't want to call me scum because they know I'll bury them.

That's why they spent this game telling me I had good points but not actually acting on them because they were accurate, and they knew it.

I’m town, so I know that’s wrong


What do you say to THAT, huh?
Gottem

[eyestott]

I feel confident in a Churros lynch.
What do you think, Alo?
And Paragon also

What about your Paragon clear?

No, I’m asking you both about a Churros lynch

[eyestott]

It's kind of weird, if you've always suspected I fakeclaimed, why were you content with me jumping into your pocket?

Need me to send you the posts as a reminder?

Can you explain what “me jumping into your pocket” means?

I townread you thinking you had no reason to want a claim as scum.

But you didn't argue this, yet you seem to believe that my PR claim is false from the beginning, or at least potentially.

If you believed my claim was false, why didn't you try to clear

Churros'

again? You still avoid this question.

Clear churros by targeting him with my investigation?

[eyestott]

Alora, Neapolitan doesn’t work how you think it works


Scum Churros will return a result of not a vannjjla townie
PR Churros will return a result of not a vanilla townie
Why would I target him?

[eyestott]

VOTE: Churros

[eyestott]

I’m town and you’re not.

[eyestott]

THERES A T AFTER THE S, CHUCK NORROS

[eyestott]

THERES A T AFTER THE S, CHUCK NORROS

no respect for mafia

Huh?

[eyestott]

I’m not bullying you! I’m just giving you new nicknames
We can make it a running joke!

[eyestott]

Me voting him changed all that

[eyestott]

I always try to be nice and honest. I’m enjoying fighting you too



Chimichangas

[eyestott]

Uhhhh
CH?
Learn to soell, Curry

[eyestott]

I must say, it feel kind of freeing that this game is out of my hands now

[eyestott]

But can I go to bed? It’s 3:30am now eek

[eyestott]

Churros, let’s just stop making digs at eachother, okay? Like, keep the votes and don’t move em, but truce?

[eyestott]

This proves that Churros v Eyestott is NOT TVT, right? Otherwise scum would’ve hammered by now?

[eyestott]

This proves that Churros v Eyestott is NOT TVT, right? Otherwise scum would’ve hammered by now?

This is correct.

Who do you believe is scum with Churros?
Would you be open to voting Taly over Churros?

I'm just gonna be popping in like this until the 24th, so would love to see more discussion between you and the others.

Yeah, I’d lynch Taly with you.
I’m quite sure of my reads. There’s no way in hell that Taly or Churros start townreading me, even in the very small chance that Taly is town
So I don’t particularly see the point of discussing with them for the sake of content.
Aloratom though, sure

[eyestott]

You know, I just thought about it some more, and I think I'm voting you like 80% of the time here, eyestott. I still can't wrap my head around how a town neapolitan is balanced in 2 scum/10 town setup.

Do you normally crumb roles, and did you crumb anything in this game?

I'm back to my OG solve from yesterday of [eyestott, Taly] right now.

Okay. There’s not really a defence I can make a giant that.
But yes, I crumbed in D1, in this post

[eyestott]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Information about vanilla townies
This is the first game I’ve signed up for in years, I do try to crumb my role though

[eyestott]

Losing because of setup spec that turned out wrong is pretty unfortunate. But we’ll talk about that postgame.
What I can say with 100% certainty is that I am town.
I also crumbed my alignment all through this day
Like line two of this post

[eyestott]

Also, I haven’t been mafia in years
In fact, I don’t ever remember being mafia on mafia scum
NO WAY could I pull off 3 consecutive mislynches where I’m on all 3 wagons
The game state we’re in is much more representative of an experienced scum team like Taly/Candy Apple Latte Sandwich

[eyestott]

The genuine tone I’ve had all game

Do you see that as coming from town who hasn’t played in years or scum who hasn’t played in years?

[eyestott]

How small?