Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[Paragon]

Hi, friends! I'm here to kick ass and have fun, and I'm all out of ass.

Initial reads list:

eyestott
Atarashi Hajimari
Taly
robbnva
TheFuzzylogic99
Aloratom
Y'shtola Rhul
Wiisp

VOTE: Wiisp

[Paragon]

I know Rabid Schnauzer has posted, but his one post didn't provide enough data, and I am not well-versed of his meta.

[Paragon]

@ Paragon...
why Wisp? any particular reason

No RVS vote + hasn't weighed in on anything useful on page 1, but does joke about your post in a way which doesn't really help to solve you (in 26).

[Paragon]

I dont RVS vote as either alignment on any of the sites I play on
what is there to weigh in on? people having fun?
its not a joke, I believe what I said
but it can be null like he said
and I have no need to vote yet

"initial read list"
kek

I'll take your word on not RVS voting. There was stuff to weigh in on, it's what I formed most of my initial reads on.
So you do think Fuzzy's post was scummy? The way you responded to it in a jokey way while using the glasses of the sun emoji is what I found scummy.

Yikes (this is me)

[Paragon]

I looked for good Umbreon avatars but couldn't really find any. Kamek will have to do. I'm holding a Lucky Egg; the hope is Bowser won't smite me this time.

Taly: I think it's suboptimal (a lot of effort) for me to elaborate on all my reads. Is there one you particularly want to hear the reasoning for?

[Paragon]

Are you an Eve alt?

I'm not confirming/denying alt-hunting questions, you sneaky cult leader.

[Paragon]

Nice, that adds up with my setup-spec early on based on my role. I'm not saying you should recruit me night 2... but if you don't recruit me then, I'm recruiting you first.

Yes: I am confirming with this post I have a recruitment ability of sorts; not gonna expand further on that right now! Crumbled it earlier btw.

[Paragon]

I agree with popsofctown's Conspire read.

Taly: They're not confident reads. Just initial thoguhts/feelings. I generally have a 15% chance of having scum as my lowest read when I do these initial reads lists, so bear with me, they're not bad!

[Paragon]

Either way, I don't see the point of crumbing anything role related at this time

Why not?

Are you crumbing Compulsive Role Crumber Killer here?

[Paragon]

I am interested why I was put at the top of your list, Paragon.

Your tone felt genuine/open. Being carefree early = town.

Do you want to claim miller now? I saw your crumb earlier. I'll be investigating you tonight if I have the means.

[Paragon]

Cool! The crumb had kinda weak reasoning btw, but I wanted to check just in case.

What's wrong with Miller? Don't day 1 Miller claims usually get townread?

[Paragon]

Someone tell me who I should vote. I'm feeling llamaey.

[Paragon]

Updated list:

eyestott
Taly
Atarashi Hajimari
TheFuzzylogic99
Wiisp
robbnva
popsofctown
Taco
Aloratom
Y'shtola Rhul

VOTE: Y'shtola Rhul

[Paragon]

Robb -- You feeling this game yet?

Why ask Robb this of everyone?

If you guys are best buds, I need to know now so that I can try and kill you together.

[Paragon]

What does llamaey mean?

Guess it'd be rude to ignore this. Feeling llamaey is a more majestic way of feeling sheepy.

It's important you realise however that "llama" is pronounced "yama".

[Paragon]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Hypothetically speaking, if I was a vanilla townie and getting run up, I would probably claim macho cop (can't be protected) to survive a mislynch and then get shot the following night. It's flawless and has worked every time I've tried it. It's always been on alts so I can recycle its use without people suspecting a thing.

[Paragon]

What does llamaey mean?

Guess it'd be rude to ignore this. Feeling llamaey is a more majestic way of feeling sheepy.

It's important you realise however that "llama" is pronounced "yama".

I don't know what feeling sheepy means either, but I appreciate your response.

Feeling like a sheep, as in wanting to chill and just graze for a while. Aka, lurk and stay out of active discussion.

[Paragon]

Y'shtola Rhul! What comes to mind when you think of Aloratom?

Other than how handsome he is obviously.

[Paragon]

I dont RVS vote as either alignment on any of the sites I play on
what is there to weigh in on? people having fun?
its not a joke, I believe what I said
but it can be null like he said
and I have no need to vote yet

"initial read list"
kek

Nice, that adds up with my setup-spec early on based on my role. I'm not saying you should recruit me night 2... but if you don't recruit me then, I'm recruiting you first.

Yes: I am confirming with this post I have a recruitment ability of sorts; not gonna expand further on that right now! Crumbled it earlier btw.

Doubt, I joined a basic game, if there are any alignment changes I'll will have a word with the mod, now if you are crumbing a neighborizer, that's a different story, that I can see

Either way, I don't see the point of crumbing anything role related at this time

Well then 70 is an interesting post
Probably not mafia

That's all I got right now

Bye!

[Paragon]

Hey!

[Paragon]

I dislike to call to help wagon me especially so early in the game. its super scummy. My issue is I don't know if scum would be so blatantly openly scummy.

Why do you think it's so scummy to call to wagon you? Do you disagree that your self-vote is something that is bound to attract votes?

Also, I love the dance! I'm learning and currently only know how to shuffle my feet.

[Paragon]

Ame!

[Paragon]

Y'shtola Rhul! What comes to mind when you think of Aloratom?

Other than how handsome he is obviously.

He could stand to raise his voice some more, but otherwise he's quite alright.

Mind explaining where these feelings of quite alrightness come from?

[Paragon]

Conspire seemed really towny from their one post; they're top of my reads list. Rabid Schnauzer needs to do something.

[Paragon]

Really? What gave you that impression? Do you think the fact they've posted only once means they're avoiding the thread?

[Paragon]

Paragon, I like the way you think. I’m looking through each persons ISO posts, got anything you’d like to specifically get my opinion on?
And aloes, I mostly agree with you RE: 135 and Conspire. The single post also reads like he’s trying to seem more involved than he actually is.

Hi, eyestott! I would love to get your thoughts on Y'shtola Rhul. She seemed to vote for Fuzzy with little thought, and has not provided much independent opinions of her own. When I asked her for her read and reasoning on Aloratom, I wasn't very satisfied with her response, as it lacked specifics and I couldn't really understand what she meant.

[Paragon]

I’m really not understanding what’s going on. Do we have a wagon on anyone yet?

Yes, on Fuzzy. We also have Taco and Y'shtola Rhul as potential prospects which are sat on two votes each. Care to join me on Y'shtola Rhul?

[Paragon]

I dont RVS vote as either alignment on any of the sites I play on
what is there to weigh in on? people having fun?
its not a joke, I believe what I said
but it can be null like he said
and I have no need to vote yet

"initial read list"
kek

I'll take your word on not RVS voting. There was stuff to weigh in on, it's what I formed most of my initial reads on.
So you do think Fuzzy's post was scummy? The way you responded to it in a jokey way while using the glasses of the sun emoji is what I found scummy.

Conspire, your avatar is really cute! When you have the time, would you mind elaborating on those initial reads you mentioned?

[Paragon]

I’m really not understanding what’s going on. Do we have a wagon on anyone yet?

Yes, on Fuzzy. We also have Taco and Y'shtola Rhul as potential prospects which are sat on two votes each. Care to join me on Y'shtola Rhul?

Sell me on him.

She seemed to vote for Fuzzy with little thought when asked to wagon him, and failed to provide reasoning for why she followed the vote other than on the basis of simply being asked. She has also not provided much independent opinions of her own. When I asked her for her read and reasoning on Aloratom, I wasn't very satisfied with her response, as it lacked specifics and I couldn't really understand what she meant.

I would be happy to reconsider her if I could hear some more of her opinions.

[Paragon]

The trainee sends her regards, Ame.

[Paragon]

VOTE: Taco

I believe we have left the realms of RVS now. Care to state your business? I am not a roleblocker.

[Paragon]

I asked

Y'shtola

her experience since I've seen newer players be more passive in gameplay before, or at least a

"I'll engage as you want and we'll see where it goes"

mentality, which is also common in players generally at gamestart.

She's new, so I don't think her posts are agenda-based, if she were scum, I'd also think she may be more avoidant of a direct player as yours truly.

This resonates with me, and I am willing to give Y'shtola Rhul more time and space, as pressure may make her feel uneasy as a new player. Your vibrations are soothing.

[Paragon]

Thank you, eyestott! I am glad someone else sees what I'm seeing regarding Y'shtola Rhul. I do feel a little bad now however since this is only her second game. I will give her time to state more opinions before deciding whether I would like to re-place my vote there. Looking forward to part 2!

[Paragon]

Really? What gave you that impression? Do you think the fact they've posted only once means they're avoiding the thread?

It could be avoidance, I guess. It could be lurking. It could be not knowing what to say. It could be not having anything to add. It could be life getting in the way. I don't know.

Would you be willing to wagon them with me? I will be happy to join you in a vote there if you were to place one. I believe we should encourage them to return to the game to continue participating.

[Paragon]

Actual content soon. Or just reads really.

This is exciting! I have some harmless questions for you.

1) How excited are you to play this game on a scale of 1 to 10?
2) Additionally, how upset would you be if we were to lynch you today on a scale of 1 to 10?

[Paragon]

A question to popsofctown: Do you believe there are 2 or 3 scum in this game?

[Paragon]

I share your excitement for playing this game! I will allow someone other than myself to question you on your popsofctown read. I believe I have already reached my question quota for the day.

[Paragon]

I share your excitement for playing this game! I will allow someone other than myself to question you on your popsofctown read. I believe I have already reached my question quota for the day.

This is fishy tbh. I'll be looking at you upon her flip.

I would ask you why you perceive these fishy odours from viewing this post, but I have unfortunately reached my question quota for the day.

[Paragon]

A question to popsofctown: Do you believe there are 2 or 3 scum in this game?

popsofctown, I spent part of my questioning quota to ask you this. I do hope you answer it and not let it go to waste. I would be rather upset if it did.

[Paragon]

I want to see more reasoning on your eyestott townread?

It is simply a genuineness/toneread. I believe him.

[Paragon]

Ame, what makes you feel so confident that Pops is scum? Is this meta?

Thank you for asking this. I must admit it was all part of my masterplan to hint at someone else to ask Ame about her popsofctown read.

For those who don't understand what this questioning quota is;

I will now fullclaim:

At the beginning of the game, I started with a quota of questions I could ask other players.
Every time I ask a question, the number goes down by 1.
Every time I answer another player's question, the number goes up by 1.

My quota is currently at 1 since I recently answered a question from Taly. I will be using my questions more wisely. I also encourage people to ask me more questions so that I can replenish my quota.

[Paragon]

I share your excitement for playing this game! I will allow someone other than myself to question you on your popsofctown read. I believe I have already reached my question quota for the day.

This is fishy tbh. I'll be looking at you upon her flip.

I would ask you why you perceive these fishy odours from viewing this post, but I have unfortunately reached my question quota for the day.

There was so much about my read list that warranted questioning (including my pops vote) that I don't think town!Para would miss the opportunity to pursue. Additionally, I suspect you are being cautious about forming a direct association with pops by avoiding asking me about her directly by using a convenient gag.

@pops they mean the same thing to me.

I should be cautious, but very well, I shall use my last remaining ammo of questioning here. Why have you listed Y'shtola Rhul and Aloratom as Warriors of the Light?

I do not understand your associative block building regarding popsofctown and I. My post restriction simply gave me no choice at the time.

[Paragon]

I am fielding a lot from a lot of people right now, suddenly X_X I thought about my answer but then got distracted.
I'd say it's 80/20 that there's probably three scum in an RC designed 12p. I suspect RC never does traitor in a 12p, if there are two scum I think they're fighting a watered down town.

I apologise for bothering you with this. I can see you are under some distress. I thank you for your answer.
I have seen 2 scum for 8 to 11 players, and 3 for 13 to 15. So I had no idea of what to expect from 12. I also thought I could possibly get a hint to your alignment based on how you answered, since scum!you already knows the answer, but I unfortunately don't seem to have gathered much in AIness from your post.

[Paragon]

Paragon, do you agree with the notion that Robbnva is a little higher than rand to be town for not forcing content early? Or is he a little higher than rand to be scum because he should have naturally noticed some AI thingies I can't decide eugh

Yes, I do think Robbnva may have felt incentivised as scum to make something up or force some content by this point. I found his " I don't know what's going on. Are there any wagons?" post scummy however. Overall, he is >randtown. I appreciate the question.

Questioning Quota: 1

[Paragon]

Paragon, calm with the role and setup spec... we don't need to give scum anymore information and there's nothing we can do as town about roles at this moment.

Sorry. I felt the need to claim as questioning was becoming awkward for me without informing everyone of this condition.

[Paragon]

Thank you for the question, Taly. I guess this is why they call you the best.

I don't have time to read back right now, so I will have to answer based solely on memory. I shall provide a more complete answer at a later time.

Ame has been strange since she replaced in. She has differed from her town meta in certain ways, but also represented behaviour which I'm very used to from her town meta. I will give her time and not list the reasons I am thinking of, as I believe they are suboptimal to state at this current moment.
popsofctown feels a little less solvely and carefree than what I'm used to. Nothing has pinged me as scummy however.
Wiisp had good thoughts recently, and him calling me probably town while I had him as my top scumread would be an unwise play if he was mafia, I think.
Taly is proactive and his solving appears to be in good faith.

Taly/Wiisp > T/T
pops/Ame > S/T or T/T. Unsure right now.

Ame/pops as S/S I don't see unless a

certain thing

happens, then it's a possibility but still unlikely.

[Paragon]

Paragon, do you agree with the notion that Robbnva is a little higher than rand to be town for not forcing content early? Or is he a little higher than rand to be scum because he should have naturally noticed some AI thingies I can't decide eugh

Yes, I do think Robbnva may have felt incentivised as scum to make something up or force some content by this point. I found his " I don't know what's going on. Are there any wagons?" post scummy however. Overall, he is >randtown. I appreciate the question.

Questioning Quota: 1

Why are those scummy though? If I were scum I’d definitely be more aware.

I have no way of verifying this, Robb. I have only seen you as town and you were more present in the game by this stage. Thank you for he question.

Questioning Quota: 3

[Paragon]

Taly, could I hear your opinion on Ame/pops interactions and where you think the Ts and Ss should go please?

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[Paragon]

popsofctown is on L-1.

[Paragon]

Oh, apologies, I'm used to micros.

[Paragon]

popsofctown is on L-3.

[Paragon]

Aloratom, who is your strongest townread and why? Thank you very much.

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[Paragon]

I would like to redirect people to the mod for giving me this role. I had no say in the drafting process and am therefore not responsible for having a strange role. My questioning quota is a post restriction.

I believe Aloratom's push on me is with good faith and I have reconsidered my read on him based on how he seems honest about his reads. He doesn't feel inclined to make reasons up.
Rabid I'm undecided on. Robbnva is slightly scummy: Why do you find those antics scummy rather than just weird, Robb?

Questioning Quota: 0

[Paragon]

You are amazing, Ame. Thank you. I will answer your questions soon.

[Paragon]

Robbnva is slightly scummy: Why do you find those antics scummy rather than just weird, Robb?

I am simply restating this here. This is not a question. Please don't modkill me.

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[Paragon]

Mod notice

• Regarding post restrictions:
  As this is a Normal Game, Post Restrictions are explicitly

  NOT

  Normal, and as such,

  nobody has been imposed

  post restrictions of any way, shape or form.

This is strange. In my humble opinion, my condition would count as a post restriction, but perhaps our good moderator interprets it differently. I suppose it could be regarded as a "modifier" or an "enabler". How exciting!

[Paragon]

I will now post to grab this fabled PageBottom off your hands. I apologise for this fluff/contentless post but it was required to claim this.

Ame, you may now grab your 4th PageTop; as you seem to enjoy those for whatever reason.

[Paragon]

Oh nvm I thought Eyes had voted. Not so spicy.

@Para

• Can you show me the trail of questions that determined your quota up to 177?
  
  
  This would require a lot of effort. I had answered 8 questions and asked 17 up till that point. I started with a quota of 9, which is why I hit 0 at that time.
  
  
• Why don't you just ask questions in statement form? Example: "I'd like to know why Para doesn't just ask questions in statement form."
  
  
  I am unsure if this is breaking the rules but it seems to be against the spirit of the game. I shall PM the mod.
  
• On a scale of 0-10 how clearly can you visualize images in your mind's eye? 0 being not at all (aphantasia). 10 being as clearly as you see with your actual eyes.
  
  
  8. I'd like to think I'm good at this.
  
  
• On a scale of 0-10 how clearly can you hear sounds in your mind's ear?
  
  
  Also an 8.
  
  
• What are your top 3 favorite Mario games?
  
  
  Why would you ask me this. 3 is too few.
  
  Mario 64 - Great childhood memories from this one
  Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time - Better RPG than Skyrim. Story was also great.
  Super Mario Galaxy 2 - Masterpiece. Perfect gameplay and the music brings tears to my eyes.
  Mario Odyssey - Fun.
  Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door - Great comedy and gameplay.
  Mario's FUNdamentals - Greatest game of all time. They invented so many classics. Can't believe the origin of Yahtzee came from this game.
  
  
• What are your top 3 favorite Pokemon?
  
  Darkrai, Jigglypuff, Bidoof. Honourable mentions to Umbreon and Espeon.
  
  
• What's your current favorite song?
  
  
  
  
• If you had the option to be immortal without the ability to turn it off would you choose to be?
  
  Absolutely. Come the heat death of the universe, I would completely lose my mind until it was a hollow husk, which is as good as death. I'm fine with living until then.
  
  
• What is the meaning of life?
  
  To have fun.
  
  
• Why does Taly want me to answer his questions so bad?
  
  He's a cute wooper.

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[Paragon]

Not sure LAL is a good strat here. Lying is definitely anti-town but it is not necessarily scummy.

Paragon
- do you stick with your claim?
- why should we not lynch you for lying?

1) ...yes
2) Loaded question tbh. Why are you assuming I'm lying?

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[Paragon]

Because town wouldn’t intentionally try to deceive town

Not that I'm trying to deceive town here, but you are very wrong with this.

[Paragon]

I suspect you made it up in the moment to avoid getting involved and becoming associated with her. I noticed a lack of you engaging with her before this as well. If you can show the trail of your quota leading up to 177, I'll drop it.

It seems awfully awful to make up a post restriction to avoid asking you about your pops' read. Since this seems to have somehow misled you and is even making you scumread me; I will clarify:
By all intended reasons and purposes, my aim with that post was to ask you about your pops' read. I thought that was obvious and wording it in that way shouldn't fool anyone that I'm not getting involved or are associated with her. You are overthinking it.

Anyway, I do think you are more likely town since I have seen you sing your praises for popsofctown elsewhere, and I agree with her that you're less likely to target here of all people upon replacing into the game as scum.

I have some questions which are related to information I was withholding about you earlier:
1) Why did you not ask your fabled RQS questions this game?
2) Is your popsofctown hard scumread a reaction test in any way, and have you exaggerated the confidence of your read?

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[Paragon]

VOTE: Paragon

[Paragon]

Well you can use them in the dead thread when you’re realizing you screwed your scum team up by tossing fake accusations at me

Do you think popsofctown and I are both scum now?

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[Paragon]

That was a waste of a question from your fake post restriction cause I already said that’s what I think.

I don't think you truly believe this.

[Paragon]

Because town wouldn’t intentionally try to deceive town

At least play like boon. Fake claim multiple roles as both alignments, brag about how awesome you are at catching scum, and defend yourself constantly with wifom

You're aware of Boon lying as town all the time but you still used the first post as reasoning to scumread/vote me once two others had voted me.

VOTE: Robbnva

[Paragon]

Have you played bowser's inside story? you should play bowser's inside story

I played the first half of that recently! I'm not entirely sure why I didn't finish it; I'm pretty sure the cartridge is still in my 3DS actually. How would you rank it amongst the other Mario RPGs?

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[Paragon]

Because town wouldn’t intentionally try to deceive town

At least play like boon. Fake claim multiple roles as both alignments, brag about how awesome you are at catching scum, and defend yourself constantly with wifom

You're aware of Boon lying as town all the time but you still used the first post as reasoning to scumread/vote me once two others had voted me.

VOTE: Robbnva

I just ignore boon in games cause nobody lynches boon. I’m always down to lynch boon. But nice try

The point is you said I was scum because you can't see a world where town tries to deceive others. You knew that wasn't true.

[Paragon]

Sigh, am I being pocketed by pops for a 7th game in a row? Well, it's too late now; I'm committed.

Ame, I don't think convoluted reads are a AI thing coming from popsofctown. What is scummy about the phrase "beginning to townread"?

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[Paragon]

Have you played bowser's inside story? you should play bowser's inside story

I played the first half of that recently! I'm not entirely sure why I didn't finish it; I'm pretty sure the cartridge is still in my 3DS actually. How would you rank it amongst the other Mario RPGs?

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I liked it better than Superstar Saga, Partners and Time, and Dream Team. I don't rate any Mario and Luigi title I've played more highly than the Paper Marios or Super Mario RPG: Legend of the seven stars.

Inside Story has a slight lull in the middle. You should definitely finish it.

Wow, that's high praise. Now seems like a better time to play it than ever so I probably will.

Legend of the seven stars has been on the list for a while. I'll have to play it on an emulator someday.

[Paragon]

Sigh, am I being pocketed by pops for a 7th game in a row? Well, it's too late now; I'm committed.

Ame, I don't think convoluted reads are a AI thing coming from popsofctown. What is scummy about the phrase "beginning to townread"?

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Ha

Ho

[Paragon]

Sigh, am I being pocketed by pops for a 7th game in a row? Well, it's too late now; I'm committed.

Ame, I don't think convoluted reads are a AI thing coming from popsofctown. What is scummy about the phrase "beginning to townread"?

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Ha

Ho

I don't understand, Ame.

[Paragon]

I would be happy to help! I can confirm that popsofctown does have a post restriction. She said so in the following post:

Paragon, do you agree with the notion that Robbnva is a little higher than rand to be town for not forcing content early? Or is he a little higher than rand to be scum because he should have naturally noticed some AI thingies I can't decide eugh

Do you have reason to believe that he would be forcing content earlier as mafia?

It looks townish to have content to provide so there's an incentive to do it.

Every game I am involved in, it's because somebody has done something that is so blatantly scummy or somebody has lied about me.

You're wearing jeans

Faking a post restriction isn’t AI but all those antics that were pointed out is definitely weird and a little scummy.

Literally midgame selected an avatar of someone who transmogrifies blocks into goombas though

Posting restrictions are prohibited in normal games. It's either not true or a mod error and it needs to be resolved.

False dilemma (nomnomnom wouldn't make this mod error, not worth bothering to check)

Because town wouldn’t intentionally try to deceive town

No one has PTs with just the town aligned players, so why are attempts at deception necessarily targeted at other townies and not the mafia?
VOTE: Robbnva for a potential perspective slip.

I also have a post restriction to my role, but it doesn't trigger unless Y'shtola votes me.

I have bolded the relevant section for your viewing pleasure. I believe Y'shtola Rhul should vote for popsofctown so we could test the posting restriction out.

[Paragon]

Robb's deathtunneling seems a little less different to what I'm used to btw. The deathtunneling itself is NAI, but for example his 326 gives the impression that:

1) He is very confident on Paragon/popsofctown scum.
2) Doesn't really mind if he is lynched.

I have received the opposite impression from town!Robb. He seemed furious to be lynched first over his death tunnel; especially if he was extremely confident about them.

[Paragon]

Fun dreams, Taly!

[Paragon]

My 'ha' was I had anticipated a pocketed by pops post from you and I had a burst of joy for a bit when you made it

How confident are you on popsofctown and I as scum together?

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[Paragon]

When have you played with me?

On a different account. I would not like to state it as it is an alt. However, I have realised this means that I cannot verify what I mean when I say you are acting differently here. I apologise for bringing the point up in the first place.

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[Paragon]

30%

I am not a weak jailkeeper.

[Paragon]

I don't think Wimpo is Robbnva. It would break my worldview if he was.

[Paragon]

Oh dear.

[Paragon]

VOTE: Taco

Very well, Ame; you are correct.

[Paragon]

pops do you have a posting restriction that requires Ysha to vote you?

My current theory is that her posting restriction is to be forbidden to answer any questions about her posting restriction.

[Paragon]

And Paragon, would you be restricted from posting a question if you have no points in your question quota?
Or would you be punished in some way if you try to do so?

If I didn't follow my questioning quota, I would be punished in my heart, and that alone

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[Paragon]

Are you talking about Paragon and pops?

Yes. They do NOT have post restrictions. Mod has confirmed this. They're likely scum doubling down. If town, they're allowing scum to hide and will be a major liability in lylo. Lynching them is basic play which unfortunately towns have gotten away from.

I dislike this post and the rest of the stances Rabid is taking. It seems he has taken the easy stance of lynching pops and I for these shenanigans when a reasonable person would consider them NAI. It's easy to push and means he doesn't need to comment on other matters in the game.

[Paragon]

I am still baffled about my joking being displeasurable or upsetting

I have trouble feeling guilty about RS's replaceout if it possibly has some correlation to rolling red here. I also have trouble feeling guilty about not following normative "culture" practices of player for someone who has broken written site rules twice in their replaceout procedure

If someone asked for my opinion, I would be inclined to agree with this post.

[Paragon]

NAI?

Gimmicks are NAI, I believe.

[Paragon]

Not that I have a gimmick of course.

[Paragon]

8

[Paragon]

No I mean, what does this acronym stand for?

Not Alignment Indicative. As likely to come from town as it is from scum.

9

[Paragon]

I am less confident in Paragon town though.

How come?

8

[Paragon]

Fuzzy, Taco, Rabid's replacement should be the three wagons.

[Paragon]

VOTE: Fuzzylogic99

[Paragon]

eyestott, mind explaining the reasoning for your scumread on me? Plus, do you believe one of the the three wagons is probably correct on the basis you think town must be good enough to land a wagon on scum, or some other reasoning?

6

[Paragon]

Taly, I dislike Taco/Fuzzy for reasons irrelevant to me; neither has suspected me. Rabid I have given reasons for disliking. I don't see what's wrong with pressuring a replacement if you suspect the slot to be scum. I believe most of the active posters are town, which is what is directing me to the inactives. Taco and Fuzzy are the scummiest of them. I agreed with popsofctown's reasons for disliking Fuzzy.

[Paragon]

I'm not buying it. Plus, why should there be 3 wagons? Aren't we trying to get a consensus on one?

There are currently 3 wagons in the game. I was mentioning how it would be nice if those 3 were these people.

[Paragon]

I dislike Taly's push on me and it feels opportunistic. His initial scumread on me was solely based on interactions with popsofctown, which is essentially preflip solving which relies on popsofctown being scum. But he then "LOL deletes the townread" based on very poor reasoning. I have expressed scumreads on 2 of those slots already previously, and Fuzzy's is mostly due to his last bout of posts.
I don't like dismissing them as scummy when I compile them up into one post.

[Paragon]

I'm kind of annoyed that Rabid and Rob literally had valid pushes and threw that shit away the second they didn't want to reinforce their opinions when it didn't add up.

I'm also not sure if Taly really believes this or is faking this frustration. Those pushes were for completely NAI reasons, how does he believe they're valid?

5

Fuzzy, Taco, Taly, Rabid

[Paragon]

Initial scumread? You imply that I scumread you before 506. I was less confident for you town based on my read with pops, but YOUR post 503 set off the alarm in my mind.

You had me in your lynchpool of popsofctown/Paragon/Fuzzy before you "deleted" the townread.

[Paragon]

Once again, the second someone pushes you, they are scum.

This is not true. Aloratom has suspected me for a while as is voting me but I believe he is town.
eyestott now scumreads me but he is still my top townread.

Your reasons and the way you came about scumreading me reads as scummy and opportunistic.

[Paragon]

Part of why I'm treating you differently is because you came across as a sensible and skilled player with your prior solving, which is why it makes it difficult to believe you truly believe Rabid and Robbnva had really valid pushes and you're frustrated at them replacing out, or you scumread me for the reasons you've stated.

[Paragon]

(I think this is called a p-edit but not sure), I really dislike paragon's new attack on tali, I don't see how town thinks what paragon is thinking here.

I dislike admitting this but perhaps it had something to do with the flippant way he stated ,"LOL townread deleted", I believe that may have rubbed me the wrong way and is giving my thoughts bias.

I will take a break and return to the game with hopefully more objective eyes.

[Paragon]

Hello!

[Paragon]

eyestott
Aloratom
Wiisp
Yshtola Rhul
Conspire
popsofctown
Ame/Atarashi Hajimari
NDMath/Robbnva
Taly
Luca Blight/Rabid Schnauzer
Taco
TheFuzzylogic99

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

[Paragon]

Aloratom plays very differently as mafia. He likes to buddy people and feels inclined to fabricate reads. Here, he is honest about what's he's thinking and is not presenting and of the aforementioned behaviour. His push on me was in good faith.

Conspire has not posted much, but I really like their style. This might be more of a personality read than an alignment one.

7

[Paragon]

It seems that many people this game are scumreading me for my post restriction, despite other factors which would point to me being town. I would like for people to disregard the post restriction element, and consider it NAI if that is possible please. Thank you.

[Paragon]

Aloratom plays very differently as mafia. He likes to buddy people and feels inclined to fabricate reads. Here, he is honest about what's he's thinking and is not presenting and of the aforementioned behaviour. His push on me was in good faith.

Conspire has not posted much, but I really like their style. This might be more of a personality read than an alignment one.

7

You're still doing it. You need to stop both gimmicks. Your self-imposed post cap is just part of a bigger picture.

Sorry, I saw the chance and I had to take it. Why do you think me doing that is scum-indicative? I'm just having some fun.

[Paragon]

6

[Paragon]

Aloratom plays very differently as mafia. He likes to buddy people and feels inclined to fabricate reads. Here, he is honest about what's he's thinking and is not presenting and of the aforementioned behaviour. His push on me was in good faith.

Conspire has not posted much, but I really like their style. This might be more of a personality read than an alignment one.

7

You're still doing it. You need to stop both gimmicks. Your self-imposed post cap is just part of a bigger picture.

Sorry, I saw the chance and I had to take it. Why do you think me doing that is scum-indicative? I'm just having some fun.

Because you made it up after 177

That was when I decided to reveal my post restriction, Ame. You think I invented a whole gimmick to hide the fact I'm associated with popsofctown? I play for fun, not to impose something on myself which I don't enjoy. Like I mentioned before: you're overthinking that.

[Paragon]

To clarify: I

do

enjoy this posting restriction.

[Paragon]

Things I Want Clarified About Paragon's Reads:
-Gamelong townread on eyestott
-Taco scumread remains without an eyelash bat to his catchup posting
-Fuzzy and Rabid slot scumreads which I asked about
-I also wanna know why Alo's push on him is good faith gamesolving but not mine

eyestott since all his stances/opinions seem real. Genuineness read. We've discussed this previously and you agreed. His frustration was very real as he discusses almost repping out.

I did not see anything explicitly townie from Taco's catchup. Did you find it towny?

Aloratom's push on me was real; he felt hurt and deceived after he realised the discussion I'd been having with him about Conspire was for naught. His case made sense. Your turn on me felt opportunistic and lacked the good reasons Aloratom had; specifically how you framed it like I was scumreading everyone who was scumreading me. Part of my scumread on you is also gut, and it's hard to substantiate that part.

Also, it's very cruel of you to state these as non-questions.

5

[Paragon]

Why did you start with 9?

9 is a nice number.

6

[Paragon]

As my fifth highest read; she's a townlean. If she's scum, that means she's pocketed me.

7

[Paragon]

Why did you start with 9?

9 is a nice number.

6

Uh huh.

There are things I want to town read you for, but I'm so frustrated that you won't just tell me the truth and I can't let it go :/

Okay, fine; I'll tell you the truth, Ame. I do feel kinda bad and being scumread for these reasons out of stubbornness seems silly. I thought of the gimmick when I asked you about popsofctown without explicitly asking you about popsofctown. That is simply when I decided to come up with it, it had nothing to do with pops.

Since then, I've just been playing along with it. I said 9 since I actually went back and counted the questions/answers before the point I said I had reached 0 in my questioning quota, and calculated the number 9.

[Paragon]

i'm sorry I know it's an English speaking forum but when my Hearthstone card swears that it wants vengaza it always means so much more than the word "revenge"

Luca Blight is a Hearthstone card? Which one?

A New Pair of Shoes

[Paragon]

Ame, you previously had me as a Warrior of the Light, is that stance still true, and if not, what has caused the change? If it's the gimmick, then I'd like you to explain why it's scum-indicative.

A Bouncy Castle + An Old Boot

[Paragon]

I’m so excited to get back into mafia! Thanks everyone for playing with me, I don’t think I’ve met any of y’all before.
VOTE: Taly, I think you may be the exception! Do you remember me at all?

Natural towniness.

I don’t think I’m good enough at this game to have any worthwhile reads just from RVS. I am interested why I was put at the top of your list, Paragon. Other than that, not really sure what there is for me to reply to

Towning paranoia.

Paragon, I like the way you think. I’m looking through each persons ISO posts, got anything you’d like to specifically get my opinion on?
And aloes, I mostly agree with you RE: 135 and Conspire. The single post also reads like he’s trying to seem more involved than he actually is.

Towner looking to get into the game by asking someone they trust.

Paragon, I like the way you think. I’m looking through each persons ISO posts, got anything you’d like to specifically get my opinion on?
And aloes, I mostly agree with you RE: 135 and Conspire. The single post also reads like he’s trying to seem more involved than he actually is.

Hi, eyestott! I would love to get your thoughts on Y'shtola Rhul. She seemed to vote for Fuzzy with little thought, and has not provided much independent opinions of her own. When I asked her for her read and reasoning on Aloratom, I wasn't very satisfied with her response, as it lacked specifics and I couldn't really understand what she meant.

Okiedokie!

One thing of potential significance with Yshtola is this:

Y'shtola

, are you an alt or new to mafia?

I am Y'shtola Rhul, and I have experience only in one completed game so far. I died quite fast, sadly.

Looking at the completed game, Yshtola played a Mason in a nightless setup with no daytalk, so essentially an inno who knows that some other people are inno. This lack of scum experience could potentially lead to her making rather rookie mistakes, so I won't be ruling out scumtells on the basis of it being an easy mistake to avoid.

Spoiler:

I'm doing the mafTiger theme this whole ass game, so, all of y'all are morally obligated to immediately choose how long I remain in this game pending on how sane you want me to be.

Hello! I am Y'shtola Rhul, a scholar in aetherology and member of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn.

Feel free to ask me questions at any time!

yo, wanna wagon with me?

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

tElL mE mOrE aBoUt BeInG a ToWn PoTaTo

Sure, I'm willing to help with wagons.

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

Doesn't particularly indicate towniness or scumminess, though I feel like a first-time scum would definitely be a bit keen to get their violence started.
Posts #57, #63, and #92

Spoiler:

p-edit

Is there anything specific that you would like to know, Taly?

I liked that you're not afraid to put a vote down, but do you even have a reason to suspect

Fuzzy

? How do you feel about

pops'

vote since she is concerned with yours?

I am afraid that the aether of the players within the game are muddled for me at the moment. If you ask me later on, I might have a clearer idea of whether they are Warriors of Light or Sin Eaters.

Meh... so you don't have any specific read? What's your vote for?

Did you not ask for my vote? I voted to help you wagon TheFuzzylogic99 as requested.

Yeah, but why did you? I asked, I didn't demand.

Because you asked!

seems to indicate a lack of experience more than a specific alignment, I feel.
However, her posts replying to Paragon about Aloratom (#123 and #131) are a bit of a red flag to me:

Spoiler:

Y'shtola Rhul! What comes to mind when you think of Aloratom?

Other than how handsome he is obviously.

He could stand to raise his voice some more, but otherwise he's quite alright.

Mind explaining where these feelings of quite alrightness come from?

I like his matter of fairness. It is quite refreshing, actually.

While the chance of Yshtola and Aloratom both being scum is statistically quite low, I believe that this is the exact way that someone like Yshtola would talk about their scum-mate. And fairness? Why does fairness equate to towniness? Part 2: Aloratom coming soon.

Townity case/reads on Y'shtola.

I stopped here; is that enough, Taly?

eyestott, look deep inside your heart and realise I'm town. Using a gimmick as a tactic of distraction as scum is silly due to all the negative attention it'd recieve (in this case), and it's never even crossed my mind to use a gimmick for anything other than fun. If you took away the gimmick, what would your read on me be?

A Fine Banquet at a Magnificent Mansion

[Paragon]

lets townbloc

paragon

lul

I'm fine with an alliance, you seem useful to keep around regardless of alignment. I will have to reexamine your posts once again before I can confidently townbloc you however.

[Paragon]

I would like popsofctown to be town for once, so I have decided that she is infact town. I would like her to know that I am

not

a framer.

Y'shtola Rhul, who is this sin-bringer you speak of that has entered our ranks? Is it popsofctown or someone else?

A Sign of a Red Colour, sporting the word "Stop"

[Paragon]

Taco, could I ask for your opinion on 388 and 644?

A Quesadilla

[Paragon]

I am not sure of Pops so I can not VCA there

Also, I rather get lynched then Paragon. I think he needs more time to be sorted.

Fuzzylogic99! Your dance game is still strong I see.

I would like to ask why you would rather have yourself lynched (who you know is town) over someone you are unsure about.

A Piranha Plant on Fire

[Paragon]

Wow.

[Paragon]

I am not sure of Pops so I can not VCA there

Also, I rather get lynched then Paragon. I think he needs more time to be sorted.

Fuzzylogic99! Your dance game is still strong I see.

I would like to ask why you would rather have yourself lynched (who you know is town) over someone you are unsure about.

A Piranha Plant on Fire

Fuzzy, my friend! Do you mind answering this please?

Laser Printer that only prints in the colour Orange

[Paragon]

Paragon
I thought he was new but it seems I was wrong. I like to give newbies a chance. I remember being new and getting lynched day 1 which sucked. I seem to be wrong about Paragon though. Are you an alt???

I am :p

In fact, I've played with you before on a different alt, and you seemed to have the same reaction to me (that I was newbtown but could be newbscum). The similarity of your reaction here and the fact you were town in that game gives me pause to reconsider you.

Do you dislike anyone other than popsofctown?

A Happy Koala

[Paragon]

Hello, friends! Is anyone around?

[Paragon]

My 'ha' was I had anticipated a pocketed by pops post from you and I had a burst of joy for a bit when you made it

Why did you start with 9?

9 is a nice number.

6

Uh huh.

There are things I want to town read you for, but I'm so frustrated that you won't just tell me the truth and I can't let it go :/

You indicated here that you were not townreading me, Ame. Could I hear your complete progression on me since you've replaced in please? The reason I ask is because you repped in and declared me as a townread, while I was not suspected by anyone. As others started suspecting me for the post restriciton, you started expressing doubt on me, and I am paranoid that if you're scum, you were setting it up to look like you were slowly coming around to voting me, so that it wouldn't look suspicious if you voted me down the line for a mislynch if my wagon persisted.

A lab coat with red strands of hair

[Paragon]

No I'm sleeping

Fun dreams!

No need to answer my question now of course. Enjoy lucidity if you're into that kind of thing!

[Paragon]

[Paragon]

Reasons for my gut scumread on Taly:

• A lot of these are based on tone and are hard to articulate.
  
• I want others to let me know if I'm stupid for scumreading someone for these posts, or if they get similar feelings.

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

tElL mE mOrE aBoUt BeInG a ToWn PoTaTo

@tali
Ok Wooper

hehe, do you have more to add than

"I don't do RVS"

and

"tali!"

,

wiiiiiiiissppppppppi

?

Robb -- You feeling this game yet?

Why ask Robb this of everyone?

If you guys are best buds, I need to know now so that I can try and kill you together.

Robb's a good guy. As far as I know there's no reason to lol either of us.

hehe, I can lol you both after I'm done with

Taco

, don't worry

y'all are gettin' some fuckin' homework assignments from me

LOL

I have NOT read a game you're in recent memory. Join date doesn't mean much to me above someone having like 1-2 games of mafia in

Y'shtola's

case. (((I thought you wanted to talk about her vote on

Fuzzy

btw?))))

Paragon

, calm with the role and setup spec... we don't need to give scum anymore information and there's nothing we can do as town about roles at this moment.

This was in response to 205. I don't see how talking about the number of scum in the game (information that is apparent to scum) is detrimental to talk about.

:/ Other than this I'm really just waiting for

Rabid/Fuzzy/Taco/Robb

to engage and

eyestott/Ame

to continue their reads/explanations.

goodnight lovelies, I'm loving the game momentum. It's a good mix between low and high energy that isn't chaotic or unnecessary.

No one has PTs with just the town aligned players, so why are attempts at deception necessarily targeted at other townies and not the mafia?
VOTE: Robbnva for a potential perspective slip.

I also have a post restriction to my role, but it doesn't trigger unless Y'shtola votes me.

Yo, Y'shtola, mind voting Pops and testing this claim?

p-edit

Did two people replace out because I fake claimed a post restriction? I just don't understand

wtf

oh my god

i just got mindfucked

Above 4 posts are

maybe

dumbtelling.

lol I genuinely was writing 479 and asking myself

"is it as easy as

pops/fuzzy/paragon

?"

Fuzzy, Taco, Rabid's replacement should be the three wagons.

LOL, nope. Townread deleted.

Not only is this NOT all the people who replaced, but why are you placing emphasis on low activity slots / replacements? There's tons of information and accusation to absolve in this thread and your first response is to retreat to slots that have the least impact OR suspected you?

I'm not buying it. Plus, why should there be 3 wagons? Aren't we trying to get a consensus on one?

Also, replacements should be given a fair chance to put their stake - why are you emphasizing a preemptive push there beyond sorting their slot any further.

I don't want to lynch outside of Pops/Paragon/Fuzzy today.

@Taly
Fine Lynch, me i dont care... I trying to do the best I can. I m not going to fake reads and thoughts to make yall happy. It takes a bit for me to put my thoughts together/ I know I not super helpful atm. I am not like you and can make instant-reads. If yall cant understand that than just it over with......

Also how am any worse/ scummier then those who are jumping on the easiest wagon available and making zero reason to explain why.???

I think Paragon is newbtown. that is the vibe I am getting from him, I gues he could be newbscum but my potato senses is telling me newb town.

Btw- I was right about Paragon in post 388- (So there that)

Can people stop AtE'ing me at any point I ask for their perspective or tap them?

[Paragon]

Continue posting to the thread within your dream. Given you have an accurate impression of our personalities, we'll be able to respond instantly inside your dream so you should be able to formulate a solve with everyone present in no time!

[Paragon]

Does it count as lucidity if you have a dream where you go to sleep within the dream (inception style) and then become lucid within the dream's dream? I'm unsure if that's true lucidity or your dream tricking you into thinking you're lucid, and it's just the

idea

of lucidity that you're experiencing.

[Paragon]

I think there are layers (or maybe it's a spectrum) of lucidity. Like some parts of your awareness can activate and not others. For example, I've often become completely aware that I'm dreaming but try to convince my dream characters that it's just a dream. If I were fully aware however, I'd realize how irrational it is trying to convince non-existent beings of their non-existence, but I don't realize my error until I'm awake.

Oh, you're right; I think I've done this as well! I used to be really into lucid dreaming, but I would be plagued with constant false awakenings. My paranoia of waking up once I became lucid was so high that I'd imagine the feeling of my bed covers on me, and sounds from my bedroom, which would eventually lead to me "waking up" in my dream, dispelling the lucidity. No matter how many times I would tell myself while awake:

do not fall for the next false awakening

, I always would, they were so convincing :p

Also, yeah, I don't get this recent wooper craze, I thought you were in on it when you made that post lol. This is probably some kind of inner-inner-circle knowledge where wooper avatars make you stronger players or something.

[Paragon]

geee, im definitely caught scum now, how the fuck will i ever recover after 725

hopes and dreams of ever reaching that don clerone scummy have been dashed, time to go back to the newbie queue and self-vote every game to repent my transgressions

If I could add this post to 725, I would.

[Paragon]

Good luck with that, eyestott! No matter what happens, you're still awesome!

[Paragon]

He’s got a gimmick. I normally hate gimmicks but this one isn’t annoying

Implied a recruiting ability in 46
Hinted at an investigative in 70
Hinted at Miller in 73
Macho Cop 93
Roleblocker 156
145 in retrospect was Paragon talking to himself and not being clear about asking Wiisp a question
164 was a disingenuous question to me when it could have been cleared up by just saying a mistake was made
197 claims to have a question quota role in a normal game
And 38 is still a scummy post

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the L-1 test, but it all adds up to scummy behavior to me.

VOTE: Paragon

NDMath, could you explain what you found bad about this attack on me? I don't think it implies Aloratom is scared of mechanics like you mentioned, it looks more like Aloratom is suspicious of me for fake-crumbing/causing confusion as scum.

Additionally, do you mind explaining what you found weird about popsofctown's defense of me? You were also townreading me at the time of writing that.

VOTE: NDMath to show respect.

[Paragon]

Paragon, the issue with your scumread on me is that it's purely based off tonal gut feelings that can't be defended against. The fact that you're not even pushing your vote on me while you scumread me is because you're positioning yourself, listing reasons to doubt my alignment without actually engaging with me. It's mislynchbaity.

I know that, and it's why I'm not voting for you. I'd rather have others weigh in, since I may just be scumreading you for completely NAI things.

I have engaged with you; I feel like I've answered more questions from you than anyone else this game.

[Paragon]

Taly, what are your thoughts on NDMath?

The Dancer in Black

[Paragon]

It's mislynchbaity.

Are you suggesting I'm trying to set you up for a mislynch? Several people have you as a strong townread. Why do you get that impression rather me just voicing any concerns I have?

Spoiler:

[Paragon]

For the former, you've just continued not concerned your causing problems for other people trying to understand what's happening. For the latter, the attack seems omgus, is quoting a bunch of posts and calling them scummy without explanation, and I can't follow why townyou is finding Tali scummy.

The former:

I've explained and addressed things here. Do you think I was intentionally causing confusion as scum in the hopes to derail discussion? Do you think the negative attention would not offset me from doing that as scum?

The latter:

Taly recently asked to townbloc with me. I posts I've quoted all have a similar theme, in that I read them as

faked

- for lack of a better word. Others don't seem to see what I'm seeing though, so I'll drop that line of reasoning and try not to consider it in my read of Taly.

[Paragon]

Nice! And yes, I agree.

Could you link me Tom's town-game that you've referred to? The scum-game I've seen of his is very different to this.

[Paragon]

I think I addressed this. You can call it disingenuous and/or shade on my part, but leading others to believe that there's another player in the game by conversing with that imaginary player is fraud. That cannot be dismissed with a hand wave, "Yeah, but look at the good they're doing over here..."

Why is it scum-indicative? That's the important thing you need to focus on. Sure, you can find it disrespectful/improper, but why is it more likely to come from scum rather than town in this case?

[Paragon]

My play is so drastically different from my scum game, I think you would pick up on it.

2 scum really changes things.

Pops/Para : Luca/Para : Luca/Taly

One of these is the scum team.

You had me as confident town a little before, and you now have me in 2 of the 3 possibly scumteams? I've never seen you do preflip solving to this extent, Ame. You've struck me as "go for the scummiest player" in previous games.

[Paragon]

I'm not scumreading you by what scum you likely does. It's about what town you would never do. As town if you notice your causing confusion surely you react better. Both alignments care about not receiving negative attention, so I don't see the validity of that point.
The town bloc thing was definitely a joke.

1) I disagree, scum are more survivalistic by nature and are more likely to be more cautious with what they post. And I'm afraid you're wrong; I was actually finding the confusion very funny. I know this was at the expense of others, so I realise now that it was immature of me.

2) Was it? I don't think it was. At least, I didn't interpret it as one.

pedit: Damn, this is like the 4th time this game I've been pedited by one of Taly's walls. It's terrifying.

[Paragon]

Taly, I've played/read through 4 Ame games (all town), and I've never seen her hypothesise teams to this extent, especially on day 1. I iwlld definitely have to read through this fabled scum game of hers' at a future time.

[Paragon]

VOTE: Taco

You mention having Aloratom as null-town, and Ame as a townlean on your tier list during your catchup. Could I see your full tier list or are those your only two reads?

Black Bean Burrito

[Paragon]

a Paragon lynch (I backspaced main's name sorry in advance when that happens)

On my next alt, I will actually attempt to use no meta and feign complete ignorance of playing with people in the past. I hope to keep that one anonymous for more than 1 or 2 games.

[Paragon]

Why do you ask this, Taly? I haven't been tunneling/voting you and have been open about my other scumreads.

Fuzzy/Taco/NDmath/Taly

A new person has also now joined the above ranks; I will go into that one later today when I have time.

[Paragon]

I would like popsofctown to be town for once, so I have decided that she is infact town. I would like her to know that I am

not

a framer.

Y'shtola Rhul, who is this sin-bringer you speak of that has entered our ranks? Is it popsofctown or someone else?

A Sign of a Red Colour, sporting the word "Stop"

Sin Eaters are the embodiment of the primordial light that threatens our world. I've lost the scent of that which I believe is our likeliest chance of hitting one such creature, but rest assured I will do my utmost to resume the chase by finding another.

Mind telling me who this person was, that you have now lost the scent of?

[Paragon]

pops you said there was a 20% chance. That seems significant enough for it to be the case

Why are you so confident that there are 2 scum over 3? Because you townread so many people, or because you're ruling out teams due to interactions? It's day 1.

Miami Tower

[Paragon]

Why do you ask this, Taly? I haven't been tunneling/voting you and have been open about my other scumreads.

Fuzzy/Taco/NDmath/Taly

A new person has also now joined the above ranks; I will go into that one later today when I have time.

1)

I want to talk to you beyond

"i scumread you you scumread me"

because this feels tunnely coming from me.

2)

If we're both town, it's really not helpful if our interactions are a source of division, now or if referenced later this game.

3)

Plus, I'm wondering if your scumreads change if I'm town, I want to see how independent your reads are from the other aside from me just asking about one individually.

4)

Psst.... here's a secret. I can ask one person something, with the intent to solve MULTIPLE people or clarify SEVERAL thoughts.

Is everyone else a confident townread?

2) I won't try and comment on. It seems I am not enlightened enough to discuss this kind of game theory.

3) Not at all. All of my reads are independant. I don't try to preflip-association-solve unless there's strong evidence and I notice something in particular. That has not been the case in this game.

4) Thank you for indulging me with this secret! Much appreciated.

5) No, they are varying levels. I'll make another reads list based on memory in my next post.

[Paragon]

The Reads

eyestott
Aloratom
Luca Blight/Rabid Schnauzer
Wiisp
popsofctown
Yshtola Rhul
Taly
TheFuzzylogic99
Ame/Atarashi Hajimari
NDMath/Robbnva
Taco

[Paragon]

I would like popsofctown to be town for once, so I have decided that she is infact town. I would like her to know that I am

not

a framer.

Y'shtola Rhul, who is this sin-bringer you speak of that has entered our ranks? Is it popsofctown or someone else?

A Sign of a Red Colour, sporting the word "Stop"

Sin Eaters are the embodiment of the primordial light that threatens our world. I've lost the scent of that which I believe is our likeliest chance of hitting one such creature, but rest assured I will do my utmost to resume the chase by finding another.

Mind telling me who this person was, that you have now lost the scent of?

It was Luca Blight.

Why did Luca Blight initially exude sin-eater fumes, and what has since caused that scent to lose it's strength.

P.S: Surely if they're sin-

eaters

, they're doing the world some good by consuming all the sins so that others don't have to suffer them?

[Paragon]

@everyone: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?

Para. He's an asset as town and a significant threat as scum. It's best to sort him early.

Why do you believe I'm an asset to town? I don't believe I've had a good town performance in the single town-game I've played with you. I ask this because my buddying-radar is going off.

This quote is also otherwise relevant to my previous question where I enquire why you're considering me in several of your solves, when you are expressing a confident townread on me that you would rather not forget here.

[Paragon]

Hope This Helps

eyestott

- Powerful town

Aloratom

- Well fortified town

Luca Blight/Rabid Schnauzer

- Secure town

Wiisp

- Healthy town

popsofctown

- Moderate town

Yshtola Rhul

- Tilted scholar

Taly

- Sloping wooper

TheFuzzylogic99

- Prone scum

Ame/Atarashi Hajimari

- Sitting scum

NDMath/Robbnva

- Standing scum

Taco

- Jumping scum

[Paragon]

Are you trying to surpass my post count number this game, popsofctown? Mayhaps this has something to do with your role? These are some underhanded tactics you are using.

[Paragon]

Please don't out me, and I hope that I am improving as town!

Given the role, ICs seem overpowered.

[Paragon]

Please don't out me, and I hope that I am improving as town!

Given the role, ICs seem overpowered.

[Paragon]

I agree a lot with paragon's readslist

He hasn't really impressed me as town though

By burden of proficiency he must be doing too well at reads to be town, something like that.

Is the bolded serious or in jest, popsofctown?

[Paragon]

Pandora wants you to solve this game, popsofctown! Yog-Sothoth can wait.

[Paragon]

Taly seems really cognizant of what he's doing and enthusiastic about outlining and describing it. Makes it seem more performative

Am I incompetent or fake? Finally pick one. Give me a break already.

I should've mentioned this earlier: Your AVI is adorable!

Do you agree with my reads list, Taly? What would your one look like?

[Paragon]

i want to throw up at the gamelong white-knight

pops/paragon

have launched on

eyestott's

slot.

Why are you of this opinion if you agree that eyestott is town?

eyestott

, social experiment, towncase me even if you don't believe I'm town.

Is this a good use of time for someone you townread?

[Paragon]

I agree a lot with paragon's readslist

He hasn't really impressed me as town though
By burden of proficiency he must be doing too well at reads to be town, something like that.

also wtf if this post?

What alarms you about this post?

[Paragon]

[Paragon]

Soooo, I have in fact, been ghosted. He hasn’t even read any of my messages for 34 hours, but he’s still online on Grindr, the app we matched on

Oof.
I’ll get to posting when I wake up and have magically gotten over him. Sleep does magical things for me!

Sorry to hear that! You're still awesome though and fun dreams! <3

[Paragon]

The lack of emphasis people are placing on my posts have lowered a lot in the past few pages (not that I've helped), so by seeing how eyestott phrases an increasingly less popular townread will be helpful in seeing which slots in the game are forcing a read.

I'm not sure if I follow. eyestott towncasing you will bring insight into which slots are forcing a read on who? On you? Are you suggesting scum are going along with the flow of no longer having you as a strong townread, and eyestott towncasing you will force them to refute those points?

Regarding eyestott's alignment: I see where you're coming from regarding potential pocketing. That makes your constant questioning of my read on him make more sense.

Regarding popsofctown: I have thoughts on this but I believe it's best I let popsofctown reply herself before I state my assumptions.

[Paragon]

I agree a lot with paragon's readslist

He hasn't really impressed me as town though

By burden of proficiency he must be doing too well at reads to be town, something like that.

Is the bolded serious or in jest, popsofctown?

I'm specifically talking about reads I won't comment on your skillset holistically.

It was jest

Did you see this interaction, Taly?

[Paragon]

UNVOTE: Paragon

It's obvious this isn't going anywhere today, but I still have a scum read there. I'm starting to really come around to Fuzzy and NDMath. It's difficult for me to do pre-flip associations though, so I'm not saying they're necessarily a team.

I'll make you see I'm town in time, Tom <3

What caused you to come round to Fuzzylogic99 and NDMath?

[Paragon]

I have awoken from my nap! It was refreshing.

[Paragon]

Other than your own placement, who do you disagree with in my readslist, Ame?

Chaos is an escalator.

[Paragon]

What does "Chaos is a ladder" mean? That's the name of the marathon game I lost where awful, awful things happened to me.

Game of thrones reference. Don't watch the video and just listen if you care about some minor(?) spoilers.

[Paragon]

[Paragon]

I'm looking forward to that!

[Paragon]

Nomo Music Tier List

S Tier

The Binding of Isaac Rebirth: Diptera Sonata - Amazing. The nostalgia of the countless hours spent wandering through basements helps too.

A Tier

Jester - “Molecule’s Revenge” - Funky. I like it.
Jeroen Tel's "RoboCop 3" - Pitch starts a little too high for comfort, but the track continue to get better the further in you go.

B Tier

Castlevania - Cross Your Heart - Catchy. Never played Castlevania but this is good.
Fearofdark - Dancing 0n the m%n - I kept wanting to like it, but couldn't properly get into it. Though writing this, I do like the ending sequence; will bump up to B.

C Tier

Akumajou Densetsu Music - Beginning - Tune is nice, but maybe a little too 8-bitty for my liking?
Dubmood - Rez Cracktro 4 - Overall good, but then there's parts where it's way too high pitch for comfort. Maybe there's something wrong with my ears haha.

D Tier

Metal Gear (NES) Jungle Theme - This one didn't really gel with me.

[Paragon]

I'm open to criticism on the above readslist, but please note that these are mostly gutreads and initial thoughts/feelings. My reads will improve and be more fleshed out over time.

[Paragon]

Town: Wiisp/Alo/Eye/Yshtola/Ame

Other Scum Within: Luca/Taco/Paragon/NDMath/Fuzzy

Scum: Pops

Could I ask why you have Y'shtola as town, and Luca not in the town category?

[Paragon]

Paragon towning it up in here.

This is also extremely out of character. I've only ever seen him address his scumate in this manner.

This one? Are you referring to the newbie game?

[Paragon]

My play is so drastically different from my scum game, I think you would pick up on it.

2 scum really changes things.

Pops/Para : Luca/Para : Luca/Taly

One of these is the scum team.

You had me as confident town a little before, and you now have me in 2 of the 3 possibly scumteams? I've never seen you do preflip solving to this extent, Ame. You've struck me as "go for the scummiest player" in previous games.

pops you said there was a 20% chance. That seems significant enough for it to be the case

Why are you so confident that there are 2 scum over 3? Because you townread so many people, or because you're ruling out teams due to interactions? It's day 1.

Miami Tower

I'd love to get a response to these at some point, Ame! I know you said you were feeling the cabin fever; so it's not urgent.

[Paragon]

I don't think it's the same thing, Ame. In the newbie game, his tone was very obviously friendly and we can see now that he was attempting to pocket Arthur, while perhaps establish early town vibes on his partner, Natsu, since he gave reasons for Natsu's posts being town.

Here, he mentioned I was "towning it up" without further explanation. It lacks the purpose/direction that your examples have. Plus, I know I'm town and not his scum partner.

[Paragon]

I don't think it's the same thing, Ame. In the newbie game, his tone was very obviously friendly and we can see now that he was attempting to pocket Arthur, while perhaps establish early town vibes on his partner, Natsu, since he gave reasons for Natsu's posts being town.

Here, he mentioned I was "towning it up" without further explanation. It lacks the purpose/direction that your examples have. Plus, I know I'm town and not his scum partner.

You don't have to be his partner. How do you not see that his response to Arthur is exactly the same? Please explain how he offered "further explanation" there.

Really?

I think-

Haha, I love this defiance.

Good on you, Arthur.

is very different to-

Paragon towning it up in here.

The first is expressing a friendly tone and openly complimenting Arthur in an attempt to pocket him. The second is noting how someone is doing something towny. I'm sure town!Luca in other games has posts where he's mentioned someone is being more towny, unless you're saying you've never seen him make this kind of post as town before?

[Paragon]

From the Strawberry game:

I’m getting some Town vibes from Kanna recently.

[Paragon]

Okay, I can see what you're getting at there actually. I think I might have to do some meta research later into more Luca games to see if this trend holds further.

[Paragon]

This is very interesting, Ame! What would you classify me as?

[Paragon]

popsofctown is shouting at me in our cult PT to not get sidetracked. Fine.

Y'shtola Rhul, do you believe there may be any Warriors of Light within {Taco, NDMath, Fuzzylogic99}? I believe they are all suspect.

[Paragon]

popsofctown is shouting at me in our cult PT to not get sidetracked. Fine.

Y'shtola Rhul, do you believe there may be any Warriors of Light within {Taco, NDMath, Fuzzylogic99}? I believe they are all suspect.

Yes.

Which do you have down as a Warrior of Light?

[Paragon]

Oh dear, oh dear.

[Paragon]

Aloratom
Luca Blight/Rabid Schnauzer
eyestott
Wiisp
popsofctown
Ame/Atarashi Hajimari
Yshtola Rhul
TheFuzzylogic99
Taly
NDMath/Robbnva
Taco

Not much has changed.

• I like Ame more now after recent events; mainly for her Luca case.
  
• Wiisp hasn't done anything towny for a while - this is true, but his awareness of being called town despite that is towny.
  
• eyestott has trended down a little for recent lack of game-related activity, but I expect his resurgence to shore up that read again.
  
• Taly shifts slightly down because I found myself agreeing with popsofctown's recent points on him. My read on him is like a pendulum.

[Paragon]

VOTE: NDMath

Agreement! All the questions I had about that readslist have already been asked.

Taly, uou've been a serious candidate for a recruitment for quite a while now. You've trended up again from your posts on the last couple of pages.

Taco is due a replacement, I believe.

[Paragon]

Wiisp, what do you think would be hard for me to keep up as a wolf? My activity level or the style of my posting, and why? Could you also elaborate on your strong townread on Ame?

[Paragon]

Do you still believe NDMath is a Warrior of Light, Y'shtola Rhul?

[Paragon]

Wow.

[Paragon]

Do you still believe NDMath is a Warrior of Light, Y'shtola Rhul?

Yes.

Would you like to explain why/defend him? Quite the wagon has started on him!

[Paragon]

I also get the impression Math is playing the ‘scum wouldn’t say that’ card. For example his Tom reasoning that he couldn’t recall when it came to typing his post. I believe he is deliberately seeming to be a bit ‘all over the place’ due to the general idea that scum play more carefully. If you look at his reason for Tr’ing Wiisp, it’s based on the same kind of idea which shows he aware of this, but the way Math presented his reads doesn’t ring true to me.

I agree wholly with this. This is the impression I also got from NDMath's post, and I'm glad Luca has articulated it!

[Paragon]

I believe she was saying that Alolan Tom was expressing distaste at it so that he'd get some credit in the event popsofctown flipped town, but not enough to actually derail it.

[Paragon]

That PageTop has pocketed me!

[Paragon]

Kamek does not appear is super Mario 64

[Paragon]

Kamek is always watching; he's consistently soaring above Mario, wherever he goes. Kind of like the Lakitu who films him, but unlike that Lakitu, Kamek isn't foolish enough to follow him into a room full of mirrors.

[Paragon]

I agree with most of your reads, Churros! I share your suspicions on Taly, but I still believe NDMath is overall more likely to flip scum, and would like to wait for him to return and answer questions before I consider changing my vote. What has Luca done to warrant a position in your "more likely than not to have scum in it" tier?

I do find Taly's nonchalant reaction to being scumread in this way odd - I expected more frustration/outrage I guess. He had a vastly different reaction to when I was "casing" him a while back. Any reason for that, Taly?

[Paragon]

Also, please do get round to asking all the questions about your readslist!

[Paragon]

*answering

[Paragon]

Really though I consider you to be one of the better players. I had this thought on Paragon too before I knew who your main was. And I am buddying you, just not nefariously :3

I don't get why my Luca push changed your read.

Personally, I don't really agree, but I really do appreciate that! I do think I'm improving at a steady rate. I think you're a fantastic player in both enjoyment to play with, and skill, from the few games I've played with/seen of you <3

Felt genuine and the way you couldn't fathom I didn't see what you were seeing and persisted until I saw it. Side-note: Some of my earlier dislike of you also came from how you seem lacklustre in pushing popsofctown, despite being 100% she was mafia. You've made points against her which is scattered throughout the game, but it hasn't felt like it's with the conviction you should have if she's an uber-confident scumread, if that makes sense.

[Paragon]

I don't buy it, popsofctown. You've clearly just manually picked your scum partners there who you'll find easy to ISO.

[Paragon]

Did you know I'm so ancient I played back where provable randomness was allowed, and we had some setup where we had to gift scum powers, and we all publically used dice tags so no one could gift a teammate a power on purpose?

Also, one person didn't use dice tags and just said they did and we just "yeah, whatever'ed" it.
The mod just watched

That sounds hilarious. It is tragic how many interesting/good setups are made less interesting because optimal play doesn't allow it. Justice for mods and playing for fun!