Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[Churros]

Greetings future clients

I'm the salesman Churros, which will be replacing Taco due to a decision from CEO chew-chew, also known as nomnom or pacman. We've been observant of Taco's failure in keeping up production, even though in my modest opinion, it might just be because they aren't as tasty as a good fried chocolate churros. But CEO chew-chew disagrees, she isn't interested in those petty ego battles, she's only interested in keeping up the production in an all-time high. One request I plan to deliver.

I'll show you the best fried churros around this village, look forward to it.

[Churros]

Breaking character, I loosely followed the game before replacing in. I was mostly looking for a game where someone was lurking to replace in than actually reading the game though.

I'll put up some content after doing a few more tasks IRL.

If anyone wants to order fried churros when I come back I'm accepting pre-requests.

[Churros]

What is that gif from, that's some high quality animation?
@churros

I got it from some long-distance friend of mine, name's google, the guy is pretty knowledgeable. He said it was from some chinese animation named Meng Qi Shi Shen or something. I was only interested in the aesthetics though.

Fun fact is that this weird, rich and smart guy always has the answers or interesting things I'm looking for in a way that I find myself wondering if I became dependent on him to some extent. Damn, the guy is even good on advice on how to sell churros, I think I can never beat him.

CEO chew-chew

YOU SHALL OBEY

I loved packman as a kid, don't worry, would never betray you boss.

I'm hungry

At your service.

Spoiler:

[Churros]

Anyway, my reads are roughly:

Paragon/Eyecott - very likely town

Pops/Ame - pretty town

Wisp/Yshtar/Allo - more likely town than not

[Math, Luca] - more likely than not to have scum in it

[Fuzzy, Taly] - at least one scum here.

Out of Wisp/Allo/Yshtar, I like Yshtar the most even if you guys can't comprehend. One of the reasons is we're masons with the modifier of not having each other alignments confirmed (but we're still masons got it?). Another reason is a spiritual read (no irony). Not interested on explaining right now.

I'm to some degree confident one of [Fuzzy/Taly] is scum as well, if not both. Especially Taly.

[Churros]

Wow u went from being moderately funny to actually obnoxious with one post

I only aim to disappoint

[Churros]

Oh right, pops town is also unpopular here I think

[Churros]

VOTE: Taly

Taly sweetie by the way I'm not interested on discussing with you why you're scum especially given you wall a lot. Nothing personal, if I'm wrong just do your business and I might notice.

I'm more interested on having some of my TRs voting there first, namely Yshtar/Pops/Paragon which I ~think~ have seen some of what I see in Taly.

p-edit:

How much of the thread have you read?
Pedit: lol

Everything but at the same time I skimmed a lot of posts, especially the lenghty ones

I get my reads mostly of some few phrases or posts

[Churros]

Pops would you be up to changing votes to Taly?

In fact I don't feel good asking people to change from NDmath because the more he posts the scummier he looks, and if he flips scum everyone is gonna be on my ass, but I'm tickling to get a wagon on Taly.

[Churros]

I'm hoping that you explain those reads in more detail later

I used to explain lots of reads

it's a waste of time

get wagon on scummy people, rinse and repeat

you're hardly ever gonna convince say, people scum reading pops that they should town read her etc

I'm interested in explaining my scum reads though

[Churros]

I think I can be wrong on lots of my town reads

pops, yshtar, Ame

but when people are still scum reading Paragon that intentionally created confusion to try making slots more readable, I really doubt it's of any use to explain things in detail. I would just burn myself out, sorry.

[Churros]

What about discussing your townreads with me?

I don't like to discuss town reads on D1, but:

I'm interested in explaining my scum reads though

With you my darling I can discuss Fuzzy because I keenly noticed you always putting him as a "I can lynch there" but always giving a reason to think Paragon/Pops were better wagons until up to now that you switched to Yshtar out of nowhere completely forgetting your bone on him. You even said that you were interested only in "Paragon/Pops/Fuzzy" but at another post said that lynching fuzzy in day 1 could go wrong. It makes it look like you only put him in the PoE for some ~weird~ reason.
There's also stuff like this:

Fuzzy feels genuine but I will evaluate that scum game. I want to see his opinions on players he has not mentioned before.

I don't know, "Fuzzy feels genuine" is the most like bland reason to town lean him (which I sense you imply on here?). It doesn't make me feel you care about his alignment even when you had suspicious on him before.

[Churros]

If you want me to be fair I'm not here trying to solve your alignment by talking to you

I feel I've already solved your alignment, kinda

Any attempt at conversation with you is accusatory to make people consider voting you by highlighting what I think is scummy in your behavior

I suppose I should have worded it as "I'm not interested in you trying to convince me you're town". For the most part I'm only talking with you to get a wagon on you, although if you say something I find positive I'll make a note on the back of my mind.

But yeah, it's mostly accusatory.

Sorry? or not.

[Churros]

In other words I'm shamelessly throwing shade at you masking it as a conversation but it's probably for the greater good I hope.

[Churros]

I'm spamposting a lot but I want to redact this "pretty town" to "town enough" in case I'm wrong to actually say post-game that I wasn't utterly snowed. Only midly snowed.

Pops/Ame - pretty town

[Churros]

Taly, you know

even if you're probably scum I think you're cute

your wooper is very very cute as well

It makes me want to try fuzzy first but I consider you to have the better odds.

It's kinda sad especially if I'm wrong (I don't think I'm etc).

[Churros]

I hate him
I hate him
I hate him

[Churros]

Would you hate me even if Taly really is scum though?

[Churros]

Did you guys know there's like this giant fireball thingy in the sky? Wild

It spooked me yesterday as well, yeah

[Churros]

Churros you're caught up? When did you begin reading?

I was loosely following up the game since 2 days ago, aiming to replace Taco

I'm all caught up. kinda. only kinda. (skimmed a bunch of things).

[Churros]

I was obnoxious later for funsies and to enter with a bam to compensate my slot that did a whooping nothing for 40 + pages , but I like to think of myself as a pretty chill guy unless I'm death tunneled on a 1v1 (I don't feel I'm at the moment?).

What exactly do you seem to dislike me as a person? I'm not bothered by it but can't say it makes me a happier person to hear it. Kinda?

[Churros]

Allo, wouldn't you be interested in Taly, or at least Fuzzy?

I remember you saying Fuzzy was in your PoE as well, do you think NDmath is the higher odds lynch here or it's just because he already has a wagon on him opposed to fuzzy?

[Churros]

I just remembered Ame actually hinted at scum!Taly as well.

Ame, not interested on my beef with him?

[Churros]

I like 1217 although I don't naturally take to a "I DONT EXPLAIN READS" player.

Do you speak English as a second language Churros?

Yeah

It's one of the reasons I'm easy to alt hunt as well, I mostly end up not caring about grammar and write however I feel like.

You've seen someone murder english grammar like that, you just don't remember. yet.

[Churros]

Allo, wouldn't you be interested in Taly, or at least Fuzzy?

I remember you saying Fuzzy was in your PoE as well, do you think NDmath is the higher odds lynch here or it's just because he already has a wagon on him opposed to fuzzy?

Fuzzy maybe, but I think NDMath is the better lynch today.

I don't have energy enough for so many people to be honest, especially because you don't seem to share any similar opinions about Taly. I'll come back to you later.

I don't really alt hunt I just pick people to decide people are and choose to believe that. Y'shtola is an Ankamius alt

You're ahead of us still alt-hunting, I see.

I've also noticed you gave me kind of a cold shoulder about Taly. I was expecting you to be one of the people to actually come with me on this.

[Churros]

My energy for mafia is too low this night already, I'll come back later.

By the way Yshtar I know you love wagons and seems to think math is towny for some reason so...

wink wink

killing woopers is a fun sport

[Churros]

@Pops

To be fair I didn't think much of NDmath slot until mostly the read list thing, but my mind was on Taly/Fuzzy way early and that post didn't make me want to switch main focus.

By suspicious do you mean you're suspicious I'm like, trying to distract from the NDmath wagon or something?

I know this is super self-conscious but I do think the chance of NDmath flipping scum is decent and I'm actually gonna be disappointed if I get tied to him because I'm pursuing Taly right now.

Especially given that by my read list it's not difficult to see one of my solves would be something like [Fuzzy/Taly/Math]. At the moment I don't want to risk going for what I see a lower odd/reward lynch though...

If it's for another reason you don't trust me it's ok. kinda?

[Churros]

To be fair NDmath could replace Fuzzy in that read list but the deal is I have this drive that Taly/Fuzzy are buddies which makes me couple them together.

I probably should stop talking but I try to be frank with where my head is at, even if most of the time it backfires.

[Churros]

I do find Taly's nonchalant reaction to being scumread in this way odd - I expected more frustration/outrage I guess.

I found it unexpected but it wasn't until you properly put it down that I realized it.

He seemed a lot more fiery with you/pops back there but to be intellectually honest he wouldn't be high on energy/mood at this moment from the looks of it.

[Churros]

What has Luca done to warrant a position in your "more likely than not to have scum in it" tier?

He's kinda nullish but in a playerlist where I've good feelings about almost half the players, he goes to the "can lynch/might have scum" bracket. I feel he's a ok associative to the rest of my pool as well.

[Churros]

Hi Churros! I like your entrance, though there’s a small voice in my mind telling me “he’s only townreading you cause it’s convenient”
Is there any piece of reasoning you’d be willing to give me for that read?

Ok I'll open an exception because I want to get in your good side and make churros together and vote taly together in a future.

It's not just me, everyone is town reading you eyesott. It's because the way you interacted with pops back there was transparently towny, different from taly which only seemed worried about accusing and implying that there was something wrong with pops/paragon if she was town, you were trying to genuinely understand the situation and in each post balancing where your read on them should go.

That was one of the moments I got my town read on you, and my SR on Taly.

[Churros]

Sweet, thanks for that. What do you think of Rabid’s replaceout?

Overreaction that could be used to not play the game in an alignment he doesn't like but I don't feel digging on that neither do I know Persivul enough to understand his preferences. Even if my soul tries to say something else, I'm always defaulting to NAI.

[Churros]

Rabid vote on Paragon is odd/overreacted as well, because while I would honestly say "nothing new" from Robb doing that, I was surprised to see Persivul being that thick headed to an obvious silly prank from Paragon's (one that he even seemed to be doing to get some reactions from). But...I don't think Persivul is necessarily not-thick-headed.

Anyway, I like the slot slightly below null, exactly where it's at in my RL.

[Churros]

My energy for mafia is too low this night already, I'll come back later.

By the way Yshtar I know you love wagons and seems to think math is towny for some reason so...

wink wink

killing woopers is a fun sport

You do a poor job of hiding yourself.

Yshtola Rhul has asked me to be replaced with her own alt, Blake

Gold.

About the two replacements I find both equally silly, Wisp was being dramatic but Ame did no wrong, no reason to replace out. I liked Ame, that's a shame.

It would be great if the mod could give us 1 or 2 deadline days to make up for so many replacements.

[Churros]

Blake, I could settle on Fuzzy for today but what if I tell you I'm getting a deja-vu on your strong TR in Taly? Not budging?

Look at associatives between Fuzzy x Taly that I talked about. Not even a finger of self-doubt?

[Churros]

Pops would you be up to changing votes to Taly?

In fact I don't feel good asking people to change from NDmath because the more he posts the scummier he looks, and if he flips scum everyone is gonna be on my ass, but I'm tickling to get a wagon on Taly.

I really don't get how you think we look w/w?

I've better reasons to think most other slots are town?

There's another reason as well but if Taly really is scum I've no intention of helping them out.

[Churros]

Mod notice

• Firebringer replaces Ame.

I want to see you squirming to get scum read fire

I would classify this as a SS mission.

[Churros]

I'm the resident idiot/universal townread :/

Why you've gotta to consistently post bad posts when I want to believe in my current solve

Don't be mean.

[Churros]

Churros can we lynch Math and go from there? Please

@pops If I flip scum what does that say about Taly? What if I flip town, what does that say about Taly?

@pops If I flip scum what does that say about Taly? What if I flip town, what does that say about Taly?

Don't know, don't care.
Don't know, don't care.
You preflip assoc people will never take me alive.

I just want to point out that pops is my spirit animal.

About joining you in Math, I'm gonna leave my vote for now in Fuzzy for competing wagons in D1 (I also feel like Fuzzy posting is a lot more forced than Math), but in my next check in around 48 hours, I'm hammering Math down if gamestate hasn't changed to either Taly or Fuzzy. (Yeah, I'm passing Taly for now, doesn't seem like we're lynching the slot in day 1 as much as I want to, but Fuzzy wagon looks slightly brighter).

Currently I think that the solve is ironically [Taly, Fuzzy, Math] with Math being the weakest read. I hope Math flipping scum will make people look at Taly.

VOTE: Fuzzy

[Churros]

Ok I'll have fun with your post a bit Taly

I really wanted to hear Churros out, but the fact that they dismissed my POV, voted me, and is just sitting there does not feel genuine, tbh.

Yeah, as town I love to chat out with my scum reads or keep repeating the same things every page to intentionally create slogfest/spamfests in the game.

Like, if you were town, are you going to throw out a readslist within less than hours of replacing-in

I had already literally read all game and said so multiple times. I threw a readlist so fast because I had already parsed my reads before repping in. Do anyone think this was said in good-faith? Hint it wasn't, it's just Taly filling sausages on her scum read on me to be long enough and look valid.

vote and push to hardwagon at suspected slot late-D1, and then not contribute?

What exactly would I "contribute" here other than talking about SRs which I have. More sausage to fill a empty case.

Churros has some valid points, but gamestate, tone, and behavior all push to scum. :/

Cute.

The problem? Town can play this way. And I really don't vibe with that.

Ah yes another "He might be town but I've a problem with his playstyle therefore it's ok"

That's literally the reason I began to SR you when you were pushing in Pops/Paragon as well. Before a wagon or flip or anything has come to fruition you're placing those lines trying to say that the burden isn't on you if you aren't correctly reading X player.

As someone that does that as scum and see other people doing it majorly as scum, that's very cute.

[Churros]

Churros/Taco I have no idea just because of the lack of content from that slot

Lack of content? What?

I've been posting, why not begin sorting me by there?

[Churros]

Mod notice

• Firebringer replaces Ame.

I want to see you squirming to get scum read fire

I would classify this as a SS mission.

Wtf is my slot universally town read?

Because if so that’s bullshit

I work hard to try to get scumread and my previous person ruins all my fun!?!?!?!?

Look at the bright side, you've not replaced Eyesott or Paragon, although Paragon is apparently only a hard TR for me.

[Churros]

Quite frankly though, if you remove Eyesott interaction with pops, all of their other posts are kind of bad. Not a fan. But yeah that pops interaction was great.

[Churros]

V/LA through Saturday/Sunday (weekend).

I might check it out early for random reasons but I'm planning on checking this game out in exactly 48 hours and 14 hours from this point, which would mean checking this on Monday around 6:30AM, with one hour or so from the deadline. I'm hammering any of [Fuzzy, Taly, Math] happily.

Before Taly on my ass for inactivity I want to explain that I promised myself that I would only play mafia games if I could take it casually and not stress myself over it. There's a recent completed game (where I was town as well) of mine where I confirm that I'm checking games each 48 hours.

If I leave now I'm not checking out this game/the forum until after around 48 hours

, I would feel better finishing this now.

Casual playing rocks. Shame on you tryhards.

Gonna waste my weekend on Monster Hunter World. I'm afraid MHW is becoming to me what FFXV is to Ank.

I really dig action games.

[Churros]

Ok it kept me bugging while doing other tasks therefore I came here to say before leaving

I liked Yshtola's vibe. I don't like Blake's vibe.

I would place the slot below Luca right now.

[Churros]

Yes, I know they are the same person.

[Churros]

Ok there's something else bugging me as well. I joined this game with a momentum from another game (Normal 2124) where I came in, explained my SR on FL and we swiftly lynched scum, which made me for some reason think that I would talk about Taly and everyone would go "oh wow, I see it" and we would lynch it, it would flip red, everyone would have a blast etc. That's not what happened though and due to multiple reasons I'm consistently losing gas on pushing directions. I wanna just casually drop comments and votes. Doing any more than that feels silly to me at the moment.

You could say that...I realized I wanted to be as great as Firebringer.

[Churros]

Checking in early than expect.

It seems Fuzzy is at L-1, unless he claims something out of this world I don't see why not hammer with so little of the dead line left.

By the way Taly saying "I don't like either lynch" putting Fuzzy on L-1 probably means they aren't partners, so if one flips scum the other one is...probably town. I don't see scum!Taly acting so openly reluctant to vote buddy!Fuzzy and saying hinting she's doing it out of compromise.

That would be great scum play in hindsight because it doesn't look like a bus but I find it unlikely to be in Taly's scum range.

[Churros]

Checking in early than expect.

It seems Fuzzy is at L-1, unless he claims something out of this world I don't see why not hammer with so little of the dead line left.

By the way Taly saying "I don't like either lynch" putting Fuzzy on L-1 probably means they aren't partners, so if one flips scum the other one is...probably town. I don't see scum!Taly acting so openly reluctant to vote buddy!Fuzzy and saying hinting she's doing it out of compromise.

That would be great scum play in hindsight because it doesn't look like a bus but I find it unlikely to be in Taly's scum range.

HAVE YOU PLAYED WITH ME BEFORE.

THIS IS TOO ACCURATE HELP.

Not really, is it weird that I often feel like I have a grasp on players scum range even without seeing them play scum before though?

I feel like I'm accurate enough on those predictions. I can be wrong on my SRs but I find it more rare for me to be wrong on my confident TRs, what already makes the scum-hunting job a lot easier.

[Churros]

By the way I was writing this before the previews, so...:

My SR on Fuzzy has only intensified with each posts he writes so I decided to do a quick check on Taly's ISO to try reconsidering the slot in D2, but this is the kind of stuff I come across:

You made about 2-3 posts about voicing a scumread on this slot and most of the reasoning is associative to the vote you're placing now.

I guess when your scumbuddy Fuzzy is gone, your push on me will be far more justified?

Which makes sense, because if you're so confident about this slot on D1, you know how other people will flip too.

But wait, if Fuzzy's town, I'm still your next lynch target? I'm the only person who's reached out to you, and you're disregarding any attempt while trying to wagon me.

Taly sweetie everyone I see you pushing or suspecting I'm kinda confident that it's town

you're defending almost every slot I suspect or don't actively town read

You're acting like it's unreasonable for me to SR you/Fuzzy/Math when I don't even need reasons in hindsight, it's just plain PoE. I either town read or haven't had negative pings from other slots except recently Blake and in-development read on Lucas (whose I feel like has one of the biggest scum ranges in this PL). I'm assuming we've a 3-man team and my TRs are correct or mostly (because like I said, I have a ok record on town reads), therefore most of you are mathematically scum from my POV.

Also, I'm highlighting this:

I guess when your scumbuddy Fuzzy is gone, your push on me will be far more justified?

This is an extremely weird thing to say

Why your natural reaction here is:

1) Instantly assuming I'm partners with Fuzzy when I've like, been one of the pioneers in pushing the slot
2) Hard assuming Fuzzy will flip scum when you said you don't like the lynch

This doesn't make any sense. I'm back to Fuzzy/Taly bye.

I should not overthink/reconsider things, most of the time it doesn't end well.

[Churros]

That post is like...full of bad-faith shading with assumptions I don't see logical reason for town!Taly to make.

It feels like all those assumptions were made just to make easier on herself to push me. It doesn't look consistent with how she would view things right now as town/according to her own posts.

[Churros]

That first line can be construed as a scumslip

can be

Pops...don't break my heart like that.

[Churros]

I could be wrong on my TRs sure but I don't think it's the case right now.

I'm saying this to reassure myself more than I'm saying to any of you by the way.

[Churros]

Calling other users is sweetie is condescending and obnoxious, cut that crap out

Oh I didn't know that, not a native speaker, I'll stop in that case

[Churros]

If you PM the moderator, she will probably make you a notes PT

I wouldn't have enough monologues to justify it

[Churros]

7 hours for deadline

Fuzzy claim on next post

Luca/Paragon/Fire/Eye pile votes here, it's unlikely at this point that Math is the lynch today.

Believe in the Dancing Tiger wagon.

[Churros]

Not just Fuzzy but whoever his partners are, if he’s scum.

I’ve given many valid points on why Math is scum, but no-one is really interested and seemingly everyone is ok with lynching Fuzzy.

I don’t see how it makes sense in a world where Math is Town and Fuzzy scum.

I do think most people are interested, it's a matter of lynching the higher odds lynch though for me.

[Churros]

And did I assume Fuzzy will flip scum? Or said I even scumread him here?

You literally did/hinted at and it was the most unnatural view to assume considering how the day went and even how your own reads seemed to be at in your past posts.

I don't feel I'm going to be NK'ed at all but just saying I really think this might be a partner slip and you shouldn't be left alive in d2.

[Churros]

Tying me to Fuzzy before his flip reeks to me of you knowing he'll flip red and trying to tie me up with him so you can keep sitting on that SR on me that you have in D2, even when Fuzzy/Churros doesn't really seem plausible when I've been pushing the slot since my entry. (You CAN assume I might be one of his partners, sure, but the way you said it didn't seem like you were considering an option that quite frankly everyone first impression should be "eh? really?. You tried to tie me up with him out of absolutely nowhere just to shade/discredit me).

[Churros]

I am a Van Town......

Still King of the Lynchbait...... Noone taking my crown anytime soon

I've nothing left to say this day phase

[Churros]

You don’t seem to get mislynched as much as you make out, looking at your meta.

I like this post. It's finished now so I can talk about it and I feel like talking about it.

I've been pretty conscious of Luca because I instinctively feel (can be wrong) he has a formidable scum game that I can't fully grasp on, but in Mini 2124 his slot (scum) replaced out although I've not fully read that game so I don't know if it was because of personal/other reasons, but at first glance It doesn't seem like he enjoys playing as scum.

Since replacing in you've been steadily putting a significant amount of effort in the game and you were as far as apparently checking Fuzzy meta when he's L-1 close to deadline (which if you were scum and he was town or even your partner you would have no reason to do or say anything).

Do you personally feel like you're outside of your scum range? If so, why? For the reasons I said above?

[Churros]

I don't get the feeling you would be the kind of player to willingly put effort to do more than the necessary in a scum game Luca. Am I wrong?

Don't lie, I might find out if you do.

[Churros]

VOTE: fuzzylogic99

[Churros]

When Taly supposedly slipped Fuzzy as partner I was really confident on my [Taly, Fuzzy, Math] solve. My experience says I should still aim to lynch Taly because it's unlikely I was wrong on both given my recent SRs accuracy, but...today I want to talk?

I

[Churros]

If I had to sum up my thoughts as of right now, I don't believe I am significantly wrong in my reads, still.

Ank why I feel like you're pretending to have reads rather than actually having reads?

I was feeling fuzzy warm feelings about your posting in Yshlota but since you switched to Blake I only feel like you're putting an agenda in the table. Why did you switch from yshlota?

Last time we talked you I remember you saying about liking being support, this is one of the reasons I disliked you since you switched accounts, you had this careless/natural vibe about the game which I feel like it's very characteristic of when you're thinking about things, but after Blake you're only trying to push the game in a certain direction which feels agenda-y to me.

[Churros]

Why did you switch from yshlota?

You were extremely roleplaying as yshlota which I thought it was your way of messing around until you got reads, but you never really got clear reads in yshlota. You just switched to Blake, posted a huge read list and began to wagon Fuzzy while at the same time hedging on me being scum. I thought maybe you switched for Blake because you didn't feel like people were listening to Yshlota, but the deal is yshlota never tried to properly play the game at all. Only roleplay. While it seems in your other town game in yshlota you actually was playing the game properly.

If possible I want you to explain in great detail why you switched from yshlota to blake other than "people weren't listening to yshlota" because yshlota never tried to take itself seriously and that wouldn't glue together to me.

[Churros]

In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

[Churros]

Yeah

Why would it only be a troll account though?

Let's say you wished to play support again, would you do another alt instead of just playing as yshlota?

Considering you play with outed alts I find that kinda hard to believe unless you talk about it somewhere?

Links would be great.

[Churros]

I strongly doubt a lot of players who are aware that Yshtola Rhul is an account by me would tolerate the way I play on that account. I hope you are aware that there are times I get a lot of pressure from other players for not having confident scumreads on day one, or for not playing to some arbitrary standard that some people hold me to without necessarily having even played with me before.

It is much easier to tolerate such a playstyle from an account that is unknown, with no expectations of them playing any particular way. As long as there is something there to work with, it is more commonly accepted among most players.

In post 1799, Churros wrote:
Let's say you wished to play support again, would you do another alt instead of just playing as yshlota?



Yes.

In post 1799, Churros wrote:
Considering you play with outed alts I find that kinda hard to believe unless you talk about it somewhere?



This is an irrelevant point. Blake Belladonna's playstyle differs in playstyle by adjusting how I present myself and my thoughts to other players in a way that is commonly more blunt and to the point. Yshtola Rhul purposely is vague and roundabout because one of my goals with that account was to push as little as possible on wagons outside of my vote. To this end, I have to be careful how I phrase my thoughts and suspicions, because my overall goal is to steer other players towards reaching my same conclusions and leading the charge for me.

It's notably much harder to do this in games where more detailed thoughts are expected to be outputed throughout the game, so it was necessary to switch towards a grandstanding and more aggressively roleplayed approach in order to say what I needed to say without shifting the power structure of the town too heavily in the process.

It was actually working, to some extent.

This is a good post. Kinda.

If Taly is town, I wouldn't be surprised by most or all scum being in the background either.

But there's another thing bugging me about you. Why you think my approach on Taly was "weird" considering you know how I play as town and that mostly boils down to our last game together since you don't have much experience with me in regular games.The unique slot in that game I didn't shamelessly began to shade/tunnel was you, and to some extent another lurker which I was a bit doubtful in my scum read on him, but after I decided he should die, I wasn't interested in much dialogue.

The slots I spent most of the game pushing there weren't approached with a open-minded way after I had my scum read on them settled. Maybe before I got to scum reading them, but never after. I was quite obnoxious even. Everyone ended up thinking so.

The way I treated your slot was clearly not the norm, and it came from the fact I thought you had plenty of potential to do better than you were doing in that game at that moment, and from the fact that if town I knew you would be helpful later in game. I don't see Taly as a bad player or anything, but I wouldn't put as much stock in considering Taly a major effect for a town win in late game.

I already came in this game with what I thought was a good solve. All it was left for me to do was to push them. I wasn't SR'ing their lack of contribution to need them to post more, I was SR'ing their contribution itself and there's little to nothing that can change, even now, me considering that Taly/Fuzzy push on Paragon/Pops had a opportunistic vibe.

You've witnessed first hand the way I approach my scum reads. I don't feel like I've done much different in this game.

Why you're thinking that I would approach everyone like a exception behavior I showed in last game rather than like most of the behavior I showed last game?

That doesn't make sense to me either. It seems like an excuse to hedge on me scum, a slot that frankly has good equity of being mislynched at some point, especially with both Pops/Luca gone.

[Churros]

Taly I feel super uncomfortable with you repeatedly saying that you wanted to work with pops there.

That's not how I remember D1, even if by EoD you flaked on your scum read on her, I never sensed you had completely changed your mind and was hard town reading her.

What's up with that?

[Churros]

But there's another thing bugging me about you. Why you think my approach on Taly was "weird" considering you know how I play as town and that mostly boils down to our last game together since you don't have much experience with me in regular games.The unique slot in that game I didn't shamelessly began to shade/tunnel was you, and to some extent another lurker which I was a bit doubtful in my scum read on him, but after I decided he should die, I wasn't interested in much dialogue.

This makes me think I might have your identity incorrect.

I'll need to think on this.

You were already quite confident that you knew my identity and I went out of my way to make it obvious to you because I thought it would help you read me easier and we maybe could work together.

In your past posts I always get the impression you already know who I'm. What would signalizing even harder make you "think" about?

You were already basing lots of your reasoning about me in knowing my identity. Why 100% confirming it to you makes you need to think about it?

[Churros]

Oh wait, I got it wrong. You meant incorrect.

[Churros]

So... you thought pushing your lynchpool would've actually ended in the lynch on everybody in the pool, and this isn't a new strategy for you?

Can you link this game of yours?

I can't, I don't want to out this alt yet. I only hinted to Blake so much about my identity because at a first moment I had good feelings on the slot early and thought I could work with her by making myself an easier read. Second reason her read on me was kinda bizarre considering our experience together. I couldn't afford to not talk about it.

Ouch. :/

Why did/do you think I'm such a roadblock for town here?

You aren't hypothetically speaking a roadblock for town, I even think you can have better reads or overall perfomance than Blake in some games. I find Blake, or rather Ank, greatest strength to keep town working together/coherently more than necessarily her reads accuracy. It can be a game-changer for town in certain games, which I felt it was the case in our past experience.

I don't think bad of you regardless of your alignment here Taly. I don't even know how you got that impression from my post?

[Churros]

But there's another thing bugging me about you. Why you think my approach on Taly was "weird" considering you know how I play as town and that mostly boils down to our last game together since you don't have much experience with me in regular games.The unique slot in that game I didn't shamelessly began to shade/tunnel was you, and to some extent another lurker which I was a bit doubtful in my scum read on him, but after I decided he should die, I wasn't interested in much dialogue.

This makes me think I might have your identity incorrect.

I'll need to think on this.

You were already quite confident that you knew my identity and I went out of my way to make it obvious to you because I thought it would help you read me easier and we maybe could work together.

In your past posts I always get the impression you already know who I'm. What would signalizing even harder make you "think" about?

You were already basing lots of your reasoning about me in knowing my identity. Why 100% confirming it to you makes you need to think about it?

It's because the way you talk reminds me heavily of one specific person. However, the way you describe your history with me doesn't match. I don't suspect that you're lying or attempting to mislead in this way, so I no longer believe that my guess as to your identity is correct.

I'm quite shocked you apparently mismatched me to be fair if you aren't lying here.

[Churros]

But there's another thing bugging me about you. Why you think my approach on Taly was "weird" considering you know how I play as town and that mostly boils down to our last game together since you don't have much experience with me in regular games.The unique slot in that game I didn't shamelessly began to shade/tunnel was you, and to some extent another lurker which I was a bit doubtful in my scum read on him, but after I decided he should die, I wasn't interested in much dialogue.

This makes me think I might have your identity incorrect.

I'll need to think on this.

You were already quite confident that you knew my identity and I went out of my way to make it obvious to you because I thought it would help you read me easier and we maybe could work together.

In your past posts I always get the impression you already know who I'm. What would signalizing even harder make you "think" about?

You were already basing lots of your reasoning about me in knowing my identity. Why 100% confirming it to you makes you need to think about it?

It's because the way you talk reminds me heavily of one specific person. However, the way you describe your history with me doesn't match. I don't suspect that you're lying or attempting to mislead in this way, so I no longer believe that my guess as to your identity is correct.

I'm quite shocked you apparently mismatched me to be fair if you aren't lying here.

I thought you were insomnia until recently.

Oh, I can buy that actually...

At least I'm not as obvious as I thought I would be.

[Churros]

Finally that phase of the game. I'm starting to feel lethargic about my reads.

I wish someone had a hotter take other than Fire maybe being scum.

I don't have really changed my opinions/confidence/reads but neither they are the same as before.

Taly you're flaking on your previous scum reads so who is scum right now to you?

[Churros]

I could see Math scum sure.

But I've trouble with his partners if Taly isn't exactly one. If Taly isn't scum who would be Math partners anyway.

I hard TR Paragon, it's my main read

I think Eyesott has terrible posts but I still town read how he approached pops

I mostly town read Ame, even though Fire presence so far has been a bit underwhelming even for him.

I don't get any bad pings from Allo and his interactions with Math doesn't look SvS.

Blake is...probably not a Math partner.

If Taly isn't scum with Math this game just doesn't make sense from a mathematical POV for me for scum!Math with a 3-man team. I don't feel as good about a Taly/Math solve though as I did before. I think one of them might be likely scum at this gamestate but their interactions are kinda "huh" for buddies the more I think about it.

Math/Something_Smart would be a more reasonable solve but what's the probability of only 2 scum or 2 scum + traitor anyway?

[Churros]

Churros, does my read on you impact your read on me at all? Whether I scumread or townread you.

It's townier for you to revert on town reading me rather than flaking on me here, although I never expected scum!you to keep hard pushing me when I opened dialogue. I think you subconsciously would know it would look forced and you would flake a bit on your read on me and maybe return to it on a later day or try to make me TR you so you can NK me and look good.

Short answer: Not really.

Long asnwer: Kinda but still not really yet.

[Churros]

Eyesott can you be useful?

I believe you would have the potential to be useful if you're town.

[Churros]

V/LA through Weekend.

[Churros]

@mod I'm not sure I follow why I got prodded when I warned about V/LA on weekend?

Whoops, you are right. My bad. Will fix. - nomnomnom

[Churros]

Ok I'm caught up.

I mostly left my vote on Blake so that we would have possibility of rivaling wagons rather than still a solid scum lean on Blake. I think it's gonna be interesting to do VCA here either way.

NDmath looks a bit better but not enough for me to put him above Blake, but I could buy SS right now.

Nomnom, Firebringer has long been up to a prod, why you didn't give him one?

I've never seen such a lackluster play from FB ever. I don't really town read the slot anymore even if Ame looked good.

[Churros]

I remember someone asking about my TR on Paragon and it's rather simple. All the reasons everyone was scum reading him for in LyLo were silly pranks that I feel he tried to use to read other players or create reactions while not really highlighting the town process behind doing those things as lamist scum would likely do.

He voluntarily hurt his standing in the game to try reading other players. I don't think I've seen scum ever make that kind of play during my years playing mafia. I feel scum!Paragon would at some point try to take some kind of credit or highlight his thought process behind the silly lies but as much as I waited for that play, it never came.

[Churros]

I’m here y’all. Expect lots of activity in the next 3 hours once I wake up properly. Sorry for my bad playstyle today.

Looking forward to this.

[Churros]

In fact I think this is more interesting

VOTE: SS

I'm not sure if I already said it somewhere but I'm not as confident on Taly anymore and I'm putting that into the fridge for now.

Regardless of NDmath's alignment, I don't think SS is likely town here, and if NDmath is town, I would say Blake is a slot to consider. But Blake/SS as partners doesn't mesh well for me.

Something that got my attention in SS posts was his "I'll BoP Blake on this read" while voting ND. Because if NDmath is town, he's setting up Blake as a mislynch in D3, while if NDmath is scum, it means Blake is probably town, and mathematically needs to have scum in [Taly, SS], which I think right now he's the worse slot.

Saying he'll vote NDmath for BoP rather than a proper vote also:

1. Makes it possible for him to join the wagon with little previous or current justification
2. Makes it possible for him to switch wagons from his hypothetical partner which he coincidentally already unvoted.

For the reasons above if Taly is town, SS is probably never town here, and the remaining two scum in [NDmath, Blake, Fire, Eyesott] doesn't matter right now to me.

[Churros]

Something that got my attention in SS posts was his "I'll BoP Blake on this read" while voting ND. Because if NDmath is town, he's setting up Blake as a mislynch in D3

This is a possible motivation for my actions. What makes it more likely than me just being town who respects Blake's reads?

(Also, keep in mind that I didn't end up voting NDMath because Blake said to-- I had my own reasons.)

Blake had just lead on Fuzzy which flipped town

Blake had a lot of other content and you saying you will apparently evaluate your read on her based on if her reads flip scum or not doesn't feel great.

Anyhow I think just by PoE you're the most likely scum slot at this point. I've either some gut pings or dichotomies that leads me to believe certain people probably aren't scum together, therefore...

[Churros]

My readlist is like
you
blake?
everyone
churros
ndmath

That's a very cute read list.

[Churros]

Taly what do you mean by teamwork?

I'm like, momentarily open to dialogue and properly answering questions or giving feedback to you. What exactly more would you expect from me and why?

[Churros]

And, I voted NDMath for actual reasons and did not cite Blake in doing so. How is that setting up to turn on her tomorrow?

Yeah, sure.

This is your ISO, it says hello:

As for votes I'm very tempted to sheep Blake.

I'm still interested in BoP Blake as a strategy for today, ngl.

Why not Churros or I getting BoP'd?

I'm trying very hard to phrase this in a way that doesn't sound like an insult lol. I guess the best way is to just be blunt? In my experience, Blake's reads have been better than yours, and it's not that yours are bad, just that hers are very good

Now here it's your vote on NDmath:

both scum

VOTE: NDMath

The "actual reasons" of yours:

NDMath already made the conclusion that there's 2 mafia in 1802, what made you L-1 him when he said it here?

"I'm tempted to try to work with this assumption" is different from taking it as a given without even mentioning it.

Sure SS, sure.

[Churros]

And, I voted NDMath for actual reasons and did not cite Blake in doing so. How is that setting up to turn on her tomorrow?

Actually this post is hilarious in hindsight especially if I'm right.

[Churros]

Sure SS, sure.

I don't follow your point.

You cited Blake three times before voting and after voting your unique "actual reasons" is a perspective slip by him described in a one-liner.

I don't follow how can you not understand the point I'm making here?

[Churros]

1)

What is your perspective on

Me/Eye

interaction?

2)

Is

Blake

misguided to push for

NDMath's

lynch?

3)

NDMath

claimed vanilla town, does this change how you read this slot?

1) I don't have a solid take on eye yet. I'm waiting him to apparently do things because I think the inactivity is site-wide.
2) Not really, I just think SS is scum in almost any kind of universe here. Both because of his ISO and PoE/Dichotomies.
3) I've stopped trying to read into claims too much because once it backfired on me greatly (reconsidered a right read because of claim). I don't think scum always claim PR anymore especially if they aren't too ballsy. Fake PR claims often stick out like a sore thumb in games outside of the themes queue and I've a recent finished town game in this account where I don't even read the game, only the claims, and get scum mostly right (Ok I changed my mind in the day before LyLo and lynched Kerset but there was...reasons).

[Churros]

Before I move further with my reads, I have an important question. For this question, please assume that I am town.
What is the best way for me to get better at this game in terms of contributing to the town? Right now my strategy would be to find a strong townread who knows what they're doing, and follow their leadership. This results from my lack of experience/confidence in my own scumhunting ability. So, the best way for me to move away from this strategy would be to get better at scumhunting. I know that analysing meta, interactions, tone and voting are all good things to do, but that's too many options for me to choose from right now. I feel like I need to get better at one of those things first, then I can add in the others later.

Reading you is like going down a rabbit hole.

[Churros]

@mod: replace me.

game too boring for me.

I don't think the game is boring but right now it's a bit stale.

I'm thinking about compromissing on NDmath if no one seems interested on SS right now. I do think NDmath is the worst slot out of [Taly, Blake, NDMath] anyhow.

I'm gonna treat your lurking as NAI and wait for a replacement (hopefully a good one).

[Churros]

I don't expect SS to endgame this, and if he does, the blame is really on whoever will let him do so.

If the vigilante still has shots, I recommend that slot because right now, even if you don't scum read it, it's the most useless one after Fire that is replacing out and Eyesott that...has at least a more decent ISO.

[Churros]

[Anotora, BP]

If Profi is town don't forget those names. Follow the brilliant player Saudade lead.

If Profi flips scum...I don't really scum read those posts, although neither I do town read.

[Churros]

[Anotora, BP]

If Profi is town don't forget those names. Follow the brilliant player Saudade lead.

If Profi flips scum...I don't really scum read those posts, although neither I do town read.

Ignore this.

[Churros]

I don't follow how can you not understand the point I'm making here?

The point you're making is that you don't think that thinking NDMath slipped can be my real reason for voting him.

But you're wrong, because it was. You haven't really explained why you think that; you just handwaved it by saying it was a one-liner and putting "actual reasons" in quotes.

I thought I had replied to this but I didn't.

Firstly, Like Taly said NDmath had already said being willing to work with the assumption of only 2 scum, expecting him to say everytime "If my assumption of is right," is just silly

But more important, you can't consider it a slip for real when you neither already scum read NDmath or knows how many scum there is.

I still feel it's more likely than not three scum (maybe one traitor) and one of the possibilites is NDmath trying to fake-spew by assuming less scum than there actually is.

There's no reason to consider it a slip from the get-go unless you're either informed of how many scum there is or is already scum reading NDmath for a previous reason, which you had only talked about sheeping Blake previously.

Your "reason" to vote him doesn't feel like it came out naturally at all.

Considering something a slip is more due when you already either scum read a slot or is already aware of some information. Otherwise it might just be a wrong assumption which ndmath had already talked about.

[Churros]

I treat a slip like any other scummy behavior-- if someone does it, it makes them more likely scum. Regardless of what they were at beforehand. I could be townreading someone and recognize that something they said could have been a slip.

you can't think it's a slip if you don't already know the number of scum in the game or have a previous scum read already

For anyone it could as easily be NDmath assuming he wrong amount of scum. Thinking it must be a slip

needs

to have an auxiliary reason.

No matter whatever you say with those fancy words which I don't feel like bothering to engage, it doesn't make sense otherwise.

There's a lot to say about NDmath but you cherrypick him saying "both scum" when he said he was willing to work with the assumption of 2 scum before, and instantly think it's a slip even though it might be 3 scum and he might be wrong.

Before going for him you quote Blake 3 times out of I don't know, 30 or so posts of your ISO, and say you wanted to sheep her/BoP her. Only to now imply it was an entirely original read for reasoning that doesn't feel natural.

It makes exactly 0 sense.

Besides, you should probably save your efforts, because I'm not going to be lynched today.

I wish I could post something similar that a scum said to me only to end up lynched.

I don't see your lynch on a matter of if it's possible or not SS. I see your lynch in a basis of balancing

1) How much of an ass I'm ok being in this day phase to get what I want.
2) How much effort I want to put into a roughly meaningless game in an alt which entire purpose is to play more casually/freely.
3) The odds of a universe where NDmath is scum but you're town. It wouldn't look pretty for me later and I don't think I'm interested in defending myself in that universe. I might insta rage quit in a childish manner which I want to refrain from.

[Churros]

In fact I might not want the vigilante to shoot you anymore. I want to have the pleasure of lynching you.

[Churros]

Churros, how much scummier do you find Something_Smart over NDMath?

I don't want to say I've too much confidence on SS over NDmath because if NDmath flips scum it'll look bad on me, but...I don't know, considerably enough is the answer?

If you believe you'd ragequit if NDMath was scum, and Something_Smart town, then how would you refrain from doing so by pursuing a Something_Smart lynch and taking that gamble?

I've started to live by the principle of voting who I think is the scummiest for as long as possible. Voting for political reasons is what scum or dumb town do (dumb town = past!me by the way).

Anyway, if anything was taught to me in past games, is that you likely never let to lynch tomorrow someone you can lynch today. I've lost winnable games because of that.

[Churros]

V/LA until Monday.

I've said my piece about SS, if when I come back NDmath is still in L-1/SS wagon is still cold, I'm hammering with no regrets. This day has gone long enough if it's going to be stale like it is right now.

[Churros]

Sorry, I'm gonna give this game more effort tonight. Not enough time in lunch break.

[Churros]

I'm here.

I truly hadn't enough time in lunch break but another reason I wanted to wait for this game

specifically

is because I had something important to say and wanted to consider things a bit more in the calm state of a post-shower mind, because I'm really weirded out right now.

[Churros]

I'm a 1-shot Novice Gunsmith.

The reason I was putting Taly on the "fridge" was because I got less confident on her and wanted to only lynch with a guilty there, because if she flipped town I feel like it would be chaotic for me. I also wanted to be smug by everyone denying me on Taly/avoid being idiot if I was wrong. But my ego aside, I didn't check Taly yesterday because regardless of Taly's alignment, I definitely felt that SS had to be scum with a town!NDmath flip.

I checked SS. He doesn't have a gun.

I checked mafiawiki, apparently the unique possibility of S_S not being town is if he's a mafia doctor, which seems pretty unlikely so far. It would be believable if the vigilante had more than one-shot, but it already flipped and it was indeed 1-shot like me.

RC is known for town sided setups, a mafia doctor is very unlikely even if all claims so far were true, and it's even less likely if there's someone fakeclaiming PR.

[Churros]

SS is...against all odds very very probably town.

[Churros]

That's even more reason to lynch Taly today then.

I skimmed a bunch of posts and didn't nearly read everything yet, but weren't you saying that you wanted to lynch me?

Your reason for wanting to lynch me already didn't make any sense since it was roughly an association/info lynch when we're in

LyLo

, but you're spinning it around now that I hinted at being a PR?

Anyway, I need to count but isn't BM/me confirmed to have scum from any 3rd party PoV and we always lynch here? He voted me for some time, I think everyone aside from me/Alo posted and there was no hammer. Why I feel like people are so mechanically slow nowadays...? Like, no offense but?

[Churros]

I should double check for how much time BM voted me/if everyone posted but I do think it was almost everyone.

Yeah, if Alo is scum he isn't confirmed but to be honest I just don't like the way he treated my slot at all and I'm individually SR what he has posted so far.

Info/associations lynches in LyLo as town just doesn't enter my mind. He's talking as if there's a tomorrow to sort when if we get it wrong today we possibly have no future at all.

[Churros]

Of all the PR claims, I think Taly's is the least plausible. Although it's still plausible.

About this I've more beef with eyesott claim than I have with Taly's.

I'll consider for now on my pov, only me/Blake roles as confirmed.

Ok, we have a 1-shot Novice Gunsmith, and a 1-shot Vigilante.

The classic false positive investigative thing, and both are gated at 1-shot which suggest that scum doesn't have a lot of power in their hands.

RC is known for doing town sided setups, and one more PR sounds plausible, but Neapolitan, another investigative role, ungated?

Hm.

But 2-shot BP?

2-shot BP, 1-shot Gunsmith, 1-shot Vigilante are all gated and have synergy. The Vigilante can be either false guilt'ed by me or get his shot nullified by the BP. It's ok setup design. Neapolitan doesn't necessarily is odd here but it's not as much fitting either.

Now with roughly the above, I find it unlike as well that scum has no PRs at all. I think they would have a weak one out of three man. The ones to come to mind are:

1) Neighbours

which no one claimed

and

2) Role-cop,

Now, in a world where there's a rolecop, how likely you think that there's a neapolitan in town?

Eyesott can easily be a role cop fakeclaiming. Easily. It's a claim that reveals 0 useful information to town while at the same time gives him credit since he has a "role".

I don't see any special reason for a neapolitan in the setup above, even if I was to remove Taly's claim and consider her fakeclaiming.

[Churros]

That's even more reason to lynch Taly today then.

I skimmed a bunch of posts and didn't nearly read everything yet, but weren't you saying that you wanted to lynch me?

Your reason for wanting to lynch me already didn't make any sense since it was roughly an association/info lynch when we're in

LyLo

, but you're spinning it around now that I hinted at being a PR?

Anyway, I need to count but isn't BM/me confirmed to have scum from any 3rd party PoV and we always lynch here? He voted me for some time, I think everyone aside from me/Alo posted and there was no hammer. Why I feel like people are so mechanically slow nowadays...? Like, no offense but?

And no, I was online for the maybe 20 minutes the vote was left on

. It was pretty obviously bait, and nobody went for it (sadly!). NAI for you, or anyone around at the time.

Ah, I feel a bit stupid now.

I still don't like how you treated my slot though

[Churros]

Churros, 2-shot BP, 1-shot Gunsmith, 1-shot Vigilante is not balanced for town if there's 3 scum. Unless one is a traitor.

I would say "how it's not?" but I actually just remembered that it's a RC's setup.

Yeah, it's probably not balanced for 3 scum in his philosophy. As much unfitting I think neapolitan is in the whole thing, one more town PR seems more likely than not since RC is behind this.

[Churros]

That's even more reason to lynch Taly today then.

I skimmed a bunch of posts and didn't nearly read everything yet, but weren't you saying that you wanted to lynch me?

Your reason for wanting to lynch me already didn't make any sense since it was roughly an association/info lynch when we're in

LyLo

, but you're spinning it around now that I hinted at being a PR?

Anyway, I need to count but isn't BM/me confirmed to have scum from any 3rd party PoV and we always lynch here? He voted me for some time, I think everyone aside from me/Alo posted and there was no hammer. Why I feel like people are so mechanically slow nowadays...? Like, no offense but?

And no, I was online for the maybe 20 minutes the vote was left on

. It was pretty obviously bait, and nobody went for it (sadly!). NAI for you, or anyone around at the time.

Ah, I feel a bit stupid now.

I still don't like how you treated my slot though

Don't be over-sensitive about it. If Taly is scum, you were like the only person who nailed it, and nailed it early. So big thumbs up to you!

Your flattery is very very charming but I'm going to be a tsundere and say that it'll get you nowhere.

But if you're town/that's genuine compliment, thanks.

[Churros]

I've a clear on SS.

My unique midly solid TR now is Paragon, which although shakier than before, I'm still happy about it.

If Neapolitan must be town for balance, it exactly means Taly + Battle Mage + Aloratom for a team, and BM pivot'ing on Taly now as a buddy in what should be super critical moment + final mislynch doesn't...makes me good about this exactly

I'm starting to think this game makes more sense if there's a traitor and scum doesn't know one of their partners.

[Churros]

Taly, let's suppose you're town. I need to believe that it's Paragon + BM + Alo right now.

It doesn't look impossible to be fair, but with how Paragon acted D1 it's not likely at all for me.

I was interacting with you in good-faith and I've not even voted you yet, but you're being pretty dramatic right now?

I've not directly called you scum either as of now I think. Maybe hinted at it but not outright called.

It feels a bit of an overreaction. If you're town you could take my good-faith approach today and talk to me.

Without walls though. Succint talk.

Who you think it's scum with my claim now? Because 50% of the PL needs to be from your PoV/anyone.

Even if you maintain Paragon/BM as scum reads, I would need a third name from you.

[Churros]

If you have no reason to assume it's 3p, why are you saying you're the final mislynch?

if it's not 3p, this isn't LyLo at all?

[Churros]

Tbh I feel a bit more like voting BM than voting Taly but I do wonder if there's any difference if between [Paragon, Taly] I'm probably voting Taly 8 out of 10 times.

I suppose I should still vote my top scum read today though.

Not a lesson I want to forget any time soon after some past games.

p-edit: It's not whiteknight'ing...I just town read the slot. Less than before for not dying until now tbh but still good enough, especially in this gamestate.

[Churros]

Tbh I feel a bit more like voting BM than voting Taly but I do wonder if there's any difference if between [Paragon, Taly] I'm probably voting Taly 8 out of 10 times.

I suppose I should still vote my top scum read today though.

Not a lesson I want to forget any time soon after some past games.

p-edit: It's not whiteknight'ing...I just town read the slot. Less than before for not dying until now tbh but still good enough, especially in this gamestate.

you honestly believe I'd keep you alive this long if I were groupscum?

That's actually kinda a good point, but I don't think you ever nightkill me in N1. It would bring too much attention on you in D2.

But in N2 where I was tunneling SS you definitely had an opportunity to NK me without any drawback. I might need to think why Blake was nightkilled more, but the fact we don't know for certain if it was because of her role or reads mess the NKA a lot. If Blake wasn't suspicious of you in D2, that's probably a decent point for town!you tbh.

[Churros]

I think this might be my first LyLo as town in a regular game. It's really toxic though, maybe being NK'ed early isn't all that bad.

I suppose I'm going to get to way more LyLos with this different playstyle. I wonder if I should be happy about it.

[Churros]

Can't we lynch BM?

I don't see a universe where BM is town regardless of the scum in [Taly, Paragon]

The fact that both Taly and Paragon are pushing each other instead of realizing that with their reads BM can't ever be town doesn't make me feel great about them either.

Like, what exactly is the team if BM is town for you Paragon/Taly?

Truly, I think it's unlikely that Taly is town at this point, but even more unlikely to me is BM being town. Who exactly is scum if BM is town anyway? This goes to both Paragon and Taly.

Taly, you town read everyone else aside from BP/Paragon.

Paragon, you seem to be mathematically inclined to put Alo in your team but other than that you town read the slot individually, which means your truly scum reads are Taly/BM.

Why is the question being Paragon/Taly instead of just BM?

I feel like, we're going through the path we can be mistaken rather than going for the one where there's no doubt.

A Taly/Paragon team is so abnormal that I would need to have to get back to the newbie queue if it's the case.

BM, is that the team you believe in anyway?

[Churros]

I think this might be my first LyLo as town in a regular game. It's really toxic though, maybe being NK'ed early isn't all that bad.

I suppose I'm going to get to way more LyLos with this different playstyle. I wonder if I should be happy about it.

Please tell me how you get NKed early.

I hate making lylo, I do it more as town.

And this isn't your usual lylo... I'm being talked down to relentlessly here.

I used to be a good-two-shoes trying to be a exemplary town player. Maybe it's the reason I hate it so much right now. I never quite had fun that way.

This alt is fun though.

[Churros]

Just, how it's happening... I'm being told I'm the reason town loses, when I was the only person rethinking every mislynch.

It's shocking. This is brutal.

I don't think you're necessarily the reason town loses either. As in like, you literally are since if town you're the designated final mislynch by this point, but I don't think it's solely your fault if town, like BM is trying to paint.

I don't know, the more I play mafia the more I feel like there's nothing about effort or anything like that directly connected to some things. It's all about the energy or something you know?

Like, I don't get good energy from your slot, and even less from BM. I don't think you played badly if town, in fact you played arguably better than Paragon, but town reading a slot isn't really about see'ing how right their reads were.

If you're ever town, you've been arguably the player with the best reads in the game imo, but that doesn't make you townier than Paragon to me, really.

I think we're discussing a moot point though in you/Paragon today if it's not where I want to go.

I'm decided, kinda. I'm a sucker for AtE tbh.

VOTE: Battle Mage

I'm delaying the headache of [Paragon/Taly] to tomorrow if we don't lose the game to some weird universe or I get NK'ed.

[Churros]

Taly I'm gonna say again that what you're saying there is a moot point right now.

Think about today. You're already worried about tomorrow. I might not even be here tomorrow depending on how smart scum is.

There was once this great player that said to me "lynch one scum, rinse and repeat". I didn't listen to them back then, I'm listening to them now.

[Churros]

What am I supposed to do?

Lynch the scums?

Not gonna lie, SS's posts are a lot more fun/hilarious now that I know he's prob town.

He's like that calm guy meditating that comes around someone troubled and says:

"It's simple you see...you just need to deal with it."

[Churros]

I'm imagining the hivemind as Pops/Luca/Blake avis with a thinking stance circling in a spirit orbit, repeating their last reads in echo.

I might need to sleep.

[Churros]

Hello.

[Churros]

For me eyesott claim won't change much because right now I don't believe his claim at all in the first place, so...

[Churros]

Anyone there? I wanna take the opportunity of having free time and real-time chat with someone. Especially Taly.

I'm going to be considering this as only a 2-man team since if it's actually 2-man + traitor the game was kind of over already yesterday and it was a mod mistake to let today happen at all.

[Churros]

By the way for my ego sake I want to say that if this was a 3-man team Battle Mage would always, always, always flip scum yesterday.

It was with that mindset that I was so confident on him anyway.

[Churros]

But Churros..........................................................

?

im up to chat

top 5 thoughts when you saw Battle Mage flipping green?

since paragon doesn't want to talk too much about reads yet anyway

[Churros]

so i think traitor is impossible, that would be pretty town-sided

you misunderstood me?

I was saying that if it's a 2-man + traitor, which would still mean 3 mafiosos in the game, it was already over when we mislynched BM. 1 scum + 1 traitor doesn't exist in any kind of normal setup I'm pretty sure.

Anyway the fact no one has claimed anything yet likely points to the game still being alive.

[Churros]

1 mafia goon
1 mafia rolecop
1-shot vig
1-shot novice gunsmith
2-shot bulletproof
7 VTs


is townsided.

I actually can kinda see RC designing this setup btw. I'm not really eliminating aloratom as potential scum yet.

But yeah, what you say roughly makes sense.

[Churros]

Right now I'm in either [Taly, Eyesott] or [Aloratom, Paragon] as a team in a holistic sense for this game to make sense, but the latter doesn't add up with my reads or the claims, so at best I'm now in [Eyesott, Aloratom] if I'm to consider Taly town for any reason.

[Eyesott, Paragon] feels unlikely with Paragon's opening but I should later check his trajectory in eyesott just in case.

I'm not sure if you pitching against each other is productive right now Paragon/Taly. There's two universes possible here:

1) At least one of you is scum. (most likely tbh)

2) Both of you're town and Aloratom is scum.

If it's universe #1 sure, that's the way we should go.

But if it's in any possibility universe #2, collectively looking at Aloratom before we go to sort between you is the unique way we ever win here, because after clogging up the thread with this 1v1 for god knows how long, not even I am going to have the ENORMOUS mental strength necessary to check for a team that doesn't include either of you. It's already quite hard to do it before entering that rabbit hole, and that's exactly what a [Eyesott, Aloratom] team would be going for today.

I'm not convinced yet it's never universe #2.

[Churros]

Ok

if I had to describe Aloratom in one word to me in this game, it would probably be tofu.

Tofu is kinda tasteless to me; it doesn't taste great, it doesn't taste bad.

I'm not a fan of Tofu though.

I feel like most of Aloratom posts are wordy but doesn't reach any real conclusion/statement in the end.

For instance he flaked on me for ages almost as if see'ing if I would be mislynchable or not in the game.

I remember Taly saying he felt Aloratom was a genuine solver in this game because they were engaging their walls, but do you think that replying to questions asked to the public is town-indicative Taly?

Do you think effort (and that's not much effort at all in this case), is that town-indicative?

[Churros]

Paragon from you I don't really want an analysis, I find myself agree'ing with some of your conclusions but not much on how you got there.

Can you point me top 2 reasons Aloratom is so confidently town for you?

[Churros]

For instance as well, because I can barely deal with this game anymore, I think it would be a more interesting solving between you guys, if you take a look at each other Aloratom's read, because if one of you is scum, it means that one of those reads is fake. Another reason I'm going for that route first.

I feel like it would be more productive and less energy consuming than the standard version of that as well.

[Churros]

I think if Aloratom is town, scum definitely gave him an easy, roughly too-easy TR because he was a slot that wasn't under any chances of getting lynched through the entire game. It's exactly that kind of slot that you give a TR as scum because it doesn't get in the way of your wincon at the same time it make it look like you're having progression in your reads.

If he's scum we kinda just suck tbh.

Anyway Aloratom, do you yourself agree with the above?

p-edit: gonna read that on a second

[Churros]

Really useful result

What are your reads eyesott?

[Churros]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

What do you think?

By the way I'm gonna repeat myself:

What are your reads eyesott?

[Churros]

Ok I gotta go sleep and when I come back I'm giving points to whoever points out something that's obviously wrong in the last page and it's only going to be more obviously wrong after the next posts.

[Churros]

No, because you think only 1 of us are scum?

I'm gonna be succint, If you're town it's really short-sighted to not see an obvious problem with that claimed target.

More later.

[Churros]

At the moment I do think you're town Paragon.

I'm also assuming that the name "Paragon" comes from an intent from you to get better at town games.

Think hard about what town!Eyesott should have thought when he went into night 3 and what he would have considered when choosing his target if he was town.

[Churros]

Eh, I would go sleep but Taly pretty much fingered it already so...

Eyesott's claiming having targeted Paragon to me is literally a scum claim even though I didn't need one, but it can be a scum claim from a 3rd pov as well.

When we went into night we had already talked about the fact that one of the PRs are probably lying if it was just 2p, and I particularly fingered quite clearly that there is possible no way two investigatives could exist if it was a 2-man team.

There is also this from yesterday:

I'm not sure who out of Churros/Alo is scum

I suppose. But Tone-wise, he still seems towny to me.

How do you feel about a Churros lynch? obviously not too eager?

P-edit:I’d be potentially willing to explore that, but not until the massclaim is done.

He clearly didn't trust me at all, and the number one thing in his mind with those reads should be checking me. It was quite literally the unique believable target he could have had in N3. To a lesser degree you could even excuse it being Alo because of the "I'm not sure who between Alo/Churros is scum", but Paragon is the last person he should be worried about checking. The fact he ignored me either implies he unconsciously already accepts my role as the truth and didn't even gave it thought when claiming, or that he's afraid of facing the dichtonomy between me/him because he's clearly the weaker link here, always the one getting lynched in a 1v1.

That target never comes from town!Eyesott if anyone had any doubts until now.

[Churros]

I don't think that's how "Neapolitan" presumably works Paragon.

I'm gonna check it tomorrow, too late right now.

[Churros]

Actually I just noticed that even if it was, by his reads he would have checked Alo to see who between "Alo/Churros" was scum in his mind, and use Alo result to solve me.

I'm gonna properly check it next time but that target doesn't seem to add up to what I saw from him yesterday at all either way.

It feels more like he's claiming that he checked you because you said "check me!" yesterday rather than claiming a target that would presumably help his reads.

[Churros]

Ah ok, I got it wrong.

I thought that mafia goons would still give a neapolitan a "Vanilla" result, therefore checking me would be worth in his pov because in the chance I was mafia goon he could get a guilty on me, but maybe I confused how the role supposedly works.

In fact having explained how the role actually works in detail was pretty anti-town from both of us because he could possibly slip by not knowing how it functions while talking to me.

[Churros]

It's pretty amusing though that even when I got the claim wrong, I was half right because it still doesn't make sense that he thought there was scum in "Churros/Alo" but checks on Paragon, because he definitely should have checked Alo and got either a guilty or a clear, which would also help him supposedly read me.

Paragon is just the safest one to confirm here and least mislynchable imo, probably why he claimed that target.

[Churros]

For instance I don't think that Paragon/Eyesott is a team ever

[Churros]

For instance I don't think that Paragon/Eyesott is a team ever

anymore*

[Churros]

I don't think that Eyesott tries to confirm Paragon if he was his partner when he should be distancing himself from Paragon as buddies.

Like, I don't think that Eyesott thinks he has much chance today, and Paragon if his buddy is clearly bussing him in anti-spew mode. Not likely they would go for this?

It just seems like Paragon is the least viable lynch for him therefore he's gonna burn the necessary claim on him even though he should have had his mind in Alo.

[Churros]

scum!Eyesott hasn't enough guts to claim his partner today imo when the strategy should be anti-spew bussing given the gamestate.

[Churros]

Mmm...

Then what makes you think

Paragon/I

are TvT here?

I still think it can be Eyesott/Alo?

I like...said that already?

and I only got pretty confident on town!paragon after eyesott claimed the target on him.

Interesting! Are you posting on mobile or from a laptop/PC, Churros?

I was posting from a PC before, got in mobile to go to sleep but gave this a last check to see if eye would say anything, addiction/curiosity kicked in and I went to PC again to open the link you posted.

Why?

[Churros]

I really should have gone to sleep it's been 1 hour ago but I'm kind of curious about this game tbh

[Churros]

There's a reason I try to give myself 48 hours time-outs from games actually

I usually get too engaged in solving the game and lose too many hours thinking about it

ok now I'm going to bed for real, goodnight.

[Churros]

the scumteam is Taly/Churros,

I could see eyesott trying to pocket paragon here...

[Churros]

Chruos?

[Churros]

I thought I would be the one to decide LyLo but I'm glad I can apparently pass the curse to Paragon in this gamestate.

I'm beginning to feel silly talking about eyesott, and right now I think Taly might be town because this is making more sense as [Eyesott, Alo] rather than [Taly, Eyesott].

I think it's up to Paragon to decide between [Churros, Eyesott] and [Taly, Alo] here.

If I may say something though, [Churros/Taly] is a pretty ridiculous team when you take a look at this game past days, really.

[Churros]

In my eyes it has to be the Bulletproof or the Neapolitan that doesn't exist.

I'm really coming around to [Eyestott/Churros], [Paragon/Eyestott], [Paragon/Churros].

You say that either the BP or Nea that doesn't exist but you're putting me in two different scum teams and not mentioning Taly at all?

[Churros]

Ok, I just realized I think it's very probably scum!Alo right now.

I think eyesott/Alo are trying to fake spew each other by confusing a role that was already explained in the past pages. Even from a 3rd pov, It doesn't matter who was scum between me/Taly, we would have explained or talked about it in scum PT given that we were just discussing the role now.

Alo literally would need to not have read the game or if scum to have a partner out of [Taly, Churros] for him to confuse it again like that.

It makes a lot of sense that eyesott would see me confuse it and would say to alo to confuse it as well, and they would interact as if the claim wasn't planned what would look like...fairly anti-spew...exactly what they would be gunning for?

Idk I'm not really feeling Taly as eyesott partner anymore

[Churros]

Taly/Paragon to you does Alo/Eyesott in those last pages feel natural at all?

Because I'm being down-to-earth and frank when I say this look like one of the most scripted interactions I've ever seen and it...really reeks to me of they trying REALLY hard to not look like partners while looking like partners.

I need to go to work now so I may not be able to post much at all until afternoon.

[Churros]

Ok now Alo

[Churros]

I know you wanna do it alo

don't need to do this dance and song you guys have been doing to pile votes on me

[Churros]

I'm just gonna leave with this before going to work

VOTE: Eyesott

[Churros]

Paragon, it's up to you, and I hope you don't fall into a bullshit team like [Taly, Churros], really.

[Churros]

THERES A T AFTER THE S, CHUCK NORROS

no respect for mafia

[Churros]

I don't have respect for people with red roles that bully me in the thread I meant

eestoty.

[Churros]

ok gotta go now for real

Taly where is your mind at?

[Churros]

I’m not bullying you! I’m just giving you new nicknames
We can make it a running joke!

mobile here

making it a running joke is actually....quite fun etoysetts!

I could work with that!

[Churros]

I actually find the way you've been handlind this game even if you're scum quite pleasurable tbh

I probably should give you the same courtesy eestytto!

We can even be best buddies after lynching you and Alo.

[Churros]

You've a honest/earnest personality, I think that's what I was town reading to be fair.

I guess you're a good person in RL but that doesn't always reflect on alignment hm

[Churros]

wtf that has none of my original letters

[Churros]

I just stuttered your name, no malice at all.

But look at you dude, you've clearly malicious intent spelling my name as "Chimichangas"

that's how you scum hunt

mafia hunting 101 I would say.

[Churros]

I must say, it feel kind of freeing that this game is out of my hands now

I see what you're doing here but yeah, mood.

But can I go to bed? It’s 3:30am now eek

Yeah, I probably should get back to working properly before the boss shows up anyway

[Churros]

Churros, let’s just stop making digs at eachother, okay? Like, keep the votes and don’t move em, but truce?

Hmm...I'm "kinda" cool with this?

I mean, if I feel like something needs to be said I'll say it, but yeah, I'm cool with a toxicity-free-truce because I've already said my piece this day phase.

It's in Taly/Paragon hands right now imo. 1v1'ing you any longer might as well be a moot point.

[Churros]

Why is no one posting

It's lonely here tonight

[Churros]

Taly I never thought I would miss your walls...

[Churros]

But maybe I don't miss your walls as much as I miss your gifs

[Churros]

I'm far from having read all your walls but I definitely paid attention to every GIF

maybe that tells a lot about what kind of person I'm...

[Churros]

Hello

I'm hungry but I saw you guys posting and came for small talk

[Churros]

How’s the weather?

Good.

I need to say though that crumbing neapolitan is kinda irrelevant if he's scum Paragon. Why

wouldn't

him crumb the role to later make it more believable?

I'm on a truce though. I'm gonna leave it at that.

[Churros]

If scum has a more powerful role, and in a normal especially designed by RC it's 90% of the time a roleblocker, they would have supposedly roleblock'ed you yesterday.

I'm pretty confident that with no neighbours claimed, it's one scum PR and one mafia goon, and roleblocker would have acted already therefore it's an investigative power.

[Churros]

I'm not making a dig at you as much as I'm going to talk about setup since we're at it anyway, so I'm not technically breaking the rules eyesott.

Let's for argument sake suppose that the neapolitan claim is real from your PoV Paragon.

It's either:

1-shot vig
town neapolitan
8 VTs
2 Mafia

or if you believe Taly town, add one 2-shot BP and remove one VT. Unless you believe that one scum is BP (which would be ridiculous because it takes away all the purpose of the vig), to balance that you would probably need a roleblocker because not only scum needs to get 4 mislynches to win, they would also have to dodge the vigilante shot, and pray to god that neapolitan makes bad decisions, like supposedly eyesott is claiming a clear on Luca, which coincidentally dead N1.

All in all, scum would need to dodge technically 5 lynches by town (counting with the vig that essentially gives an extra town lynch), and to pray that neapolitan doesn't have a guilty or clear everyone else in the game. scum NEEDS a roleblocker or this setup is idiotic. It gets even worse if you add Taly because it would also mean that they need to avoid out of thin air target'ing a player, or else they need to avoid 6 LYNCHES.

The unique way that setup seems plausible at all is if you add a mafia roleblocker, which would balance it out pretty nicely. Maybe you could even go for a rolecop + roleblocker combo in hindsight. For neapolitan to exist you need to believe that I'm a scum roleblocker that just made a hyper calculating play of intentionally not roleblocking eyesott and letting him restrict the lynchpool in LyLo just so I could discredit him. You also need to believe I had this plan more or less from D2 because he claimed before me, therefore I would have the knowledge of whether to claim a second investigative or not.

Or you can believe it's

1-shot Vigilante
2-shot town BP
1-shot Novice Gunsmith
7 VTs

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Goon

Which is...pretty ok and scum neapolitan gives a lot of synergy to 2-shot BP, because it may be exactly the entire reason for Taly role to exist and for it to not be a rolecop. scum Neapolitan would know who is PR or not with his result, but wouldn't know what kind of PR, therefore making 2-shot BP useful because it could be someone they could shot with a false positive for PR, kinda.

Actually now that I wrote it all out, I think scum team has no mafia goons, and actually has a 1-shot Strongman, which would give a hint that they might not be able to kill something. Which would make some sense for Eyesott trying to make people claim in D2, and it would also explain why he stopped at Taly, because their objective might be sniffing out the reason for their strongman, which Taly claim answered for them.

[Churros]

eyesott do you play anything? what's your favorite genre of game?

[Churros]

Paragon, just be careful.

from my position this is kinda funny

Signing off

We didn't even talk yet...

ok I need to go make lunch anyway

[Churros]

not more than me, probably?

[Churros]

I would more specifically say you're more argumentative than abrasive and at the moment might be slightly more passive-aggressive due to burn-out

[Churros]

You don't look to instantly discredit/mock/etc your opponent as much as you try to argument/refute/battle them. You're just argumentative imo.

[Churros]

How do you not have control of the game when you're one of the votes that will decide LyLo Taly?

[Churros]

I'm saying it's mostly in Paragon hands because without him, the tie that the game is currently in can't be solved, but a lot of agency on how this plays out as well? You've a vote, don't be pessimistic like that?

Even if things go wrong as well, I thought about it and want the message of this game to be "it's OK to be wrong". In fact I don't think we taking away the victory from eyesott right now is glorious at all because he put a pretty good perfomance until now and the only reason we're here might be the stacked setup. I would be ok with eyesott winning here by this point.

Then yeah, to both you/Paragon supposing you're town Taly,

it's OK to be wrong.

That's all.

V/LA until Tuesday's morning.

p-edit: I can see what you're talking about but I would rather focus on today. Thinking too much ahead is a moot point. Yesterday you thought I would turn into you but the game went in unexpected ways. The same can happen tomorrow. Live in the moment.

[Churros]

To be completely frank I'm not 100% on town!you as much as I think that eyesott/Alo with those interactions make more sense as well considering how you vs Alo acted around him today. Your claim makes plenty of sense to me as well considering we may have a scum!neapolitan. I'm not hedging in scum!you this dayphase because I'm doing that, I'm living in the moment.

If we get eye lynched today I'm surely getting NK tonight, and I think you're townier than Alo rn, therefore I'm taking things simple. Even if I wouldn't be NK'ed, I would still do this teamwork with you and take things simple until tomorrow. This is coming from someone that worried a lot about later days as town instead of focusing in the current thing. It never helped me.

In fact, you constantly hedging on scum!Eyesott and defending me, but in the end not voting eyesott, makes me slightly more paranoid of you but I'm gonna chalk it up for now as you being super cautious.

[Churros]

I don't have a problem with you as a person either Taly. I don't really like walls until late-game though, but it's just your playstyle.

I forgot to bold it.

V/LA through Saturday/Sunday/Monday.

[Churros]

I've nothing to say to the last pages/posts. I'm getting tired of this game.

[Churros]

I've nothing to say to the last pages/posts.

I still maintain this.

prod dodge.

[Churros]

I'll get to you soon Paragon

[Churros]

Churros, if you're looking for some kind of purpose; I want you to highlight exactly which posts made you raise your eyebrows and made you determine Aloratom + eyestott was the team. Where did their interactions look fake, and why? Looking for examples.

I already explained this in hindsight

I explained my logic on why it didn't make sense for Alo to confuse this again when we had already explained at lenghty it

I think the way he tried to play silly and eyesott began explaining how the role works was to look anti-associative

We had literally talked about it 2 or 1 page ago

[Churros]

I think eyesott/Alo are trying to fake spew each other by confusing a role that was already explained in the past pages. Even from a 3rd pov, It doesn't matter who was scum between me/Taly, we would have explained or talked about it in scum PT given that we were just discussing the role now.

Alo literally would need to not have read the game or if scum to have a partner out of [Taly, Churros] for him to confuse it again like that.

Also, given Taly has done the exact same thing in misunderstanding how neapolitan works multiples times today, does that change you opinion of him, or your relative opinion of Aloratom for making the same mistake?

Taly began to confuse the role together with me early in the day, while Alo confused it after we had already discussed the role

I could see Taly being the partner in a more unreasonable universe but I think the way Eye tried to interact with Alo but ignored Taly had more intention to put on a show

[Churros]

Taly attacking eyesott so much only to vote Alo and say that maybe it's me + Alo is quite puzzling but the truth is I care less about this game by each second so I may be fine with just lynching alo here.

[Churros]

Luca did hard town read me/ suspect Alo if I remember it right

Blake did hard town read me/ was one of the unique in doubt about eye and not town reading the slot

I can be wrong on the above since my memory is fuzzy but I don't think I'm

If you think I'm scum you need to believe I planned this out roughly by day 1 and idk what to say to that

I wish I was that bright because I've not even be able to join an university yet

[Churros]

That said Blake was also suspecting a bit Taly which is curious

and there's always the possibility that they somehow knew Blake was PR

but I'm a bit too tired to not just default to eye/alo here

[Churros]

Taly you're really evil if you're town

[Churros]

By lynching Alo first you're literally confirming that I'll need to go through this pointless 1v1 with eye again

[Churros]

Para always the NK here if we do Alo and I'm always the NK here if we do eye

I'm at this moment writing your page on villains wiki regardless of your alignment