Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: NDMath

[Battle Mage]

(I haven't read everything, but heavily breadcrumbing vig and then claiming vanilla townie was enough for me)

[Battle Mage]

I will also claim vanilla town

[Battle Mage]

my initial prediction is the scum are:

Taly - Eyestott - Something_Smart

But I need to read more stuff probably

[Battle Mage]

Doing some votecount analysis. One early observation - unless Paragon is scum, the town has failed to accumulate more than 2 votes on a scum player at the time of any count. #poor

[Battle Mage]

Is this list right for claims so far?

Paragon - Vanilla Town
Churros - ?
Battle Mage - Vanilla Town
Taly - 2-shot bulletproof
Aloratom - ?
Something_Smart - Vanilla Town
eyestott - Neapolitan

[Battle Mage]

my initial prediction is the scum are:

Taly - Eyestott - Something_Smart

But I need to read more stuff probably

This is no longer what I think.

However, it is what Blake Belladonna thought before he/she was murdered.

[Battle Mage]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Ha! You fools! ‘Twas not a hypothetical question, it was a crumb!
I’m a neopolitan.
Night one I targeted Luca, getting a VT result. So I was quite excited to hear this news.

Only to discover that not only was he dead, BUT ANOTHER VT TOO. 3/3 of the dead people were VTs by the time I said fuck at the start of D2. My first post was representative of me thinking “ugh, I’m probably the only investigative, and I’m likely gonna have no useful results.”

Night 2 I decided the same strategy of investigating a strong townread that I can get behind if I can clear them as a VT. I investigated Taly, and got a “not a VT” result.

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

I'm baffled that Eyestott thinks this means Taly is somehow confirmed town. I mean surely he couldn't actually believe that right?

I believe (at least) one of Eyestott and Paragon must be scum, based on voting patterns. Instinctively I believe the Eyestott claim, but the behaviour towards Taly, given we are presumably at LYLO, makes me hesitate on that.

[Battle Mage]

Taly's play oozes scum, so in terms of gut feels and who has been generally the most obviously scummy, Taly would be the optimal lynch.

If Taly is scum, the most likely partner would be Churros, followed by Eyestott (although suspect Eyestott is unlikely to be a good lynch today, and if town, won't survive long enough to be lynched anyway, so we probably won't get to that).

[Battle Mage]

Arguably Churros is the safest lynch today, given he has connections to almost everybody.

For example, if Paragon is scum, I think it would be likely that Churros is his partner.

[Battle Mage]

I'm a lot more confident on Taly being scum than eyestott. Just because of the manner of his claim and explaining his previous thoughts on prior day phases. Why do you think Churros is the obvious partner rather than Something_Smart?

I agree Taly is a lot more likely, but if Taly was scum, Eyestott would be up there as a potential partner. I'm sure scum want to end the game today, and the way they came out of the blocks quickly with those claims looked like it could easily be pre-meditated. Eyestott's claim itself is believable, although he hasn't given any useful info to town, so it could be a conservative play by scum.

I think the interaction between Taly and Churros is more likely to be scumbuddies, but you're right Something_Smart would be a possibility.

I think we'll have a lot more info to work with tomorrow, but we need to get it right today to have a chance!

[Battle Mage]

Also if Paragon is scum, Eyestott is definitely town which helps.

[Battle Mage]

Are you playing based on the assumption that there's 2 or 3 scum?

The really big problem if eyestott is town, is that he will side with scum!Taly over anyone else if this is LyLo, which is slightly worrying, since we need all 4 town to be correct here if this is LyLo.

Evidently 3, that's why I said I assume it's LYLO...

And yes that's right re: Eyestott

[Battle Mage]

For your delectation, some Day 1 Churros highlights:

Anyway, my reads are roughly:

Paragon/Eyecott - very likely town

Pops/Ame - pretty town

Wisp/Yshtar/Allo - more likely town than not

[Math, Luca] - more likely than not to have scum in it

[Fuzzy, Taly] - at least one scum here.

Out of Wisp/Allo/Yshtar, I like Yshtar the most even if you guys can't comprehend. One of the reasons is we're masons with the modifier of not having each other alignments confirmed (but we're still masons got it?). Another reason is a spiritual read (no irony). Not interested on explaining right now.

I'm to some degree confident one of [Fuzzy/Taly] is scum as well, if not both. Especially Taly.

Of his 4 scumreads, 3 are now confirmed town. If Churros is scum, I think he'd stick 1 of his buddies in that upper-tier, so that would be Taly.

Would you hate me even if Taly really is scum though?

Trying to curry favour if Taly is scum, which perhaps he knows to be true.

Allo, wouldn't you be interested in Taly, or at least Fuzzy?

I remember you saying Fuzzy was in your PoE as well, do you think NDmath is the higher odds lynch here or it's just because he already has a wagon on him opposed to fuzzy?

Very keen to be seen to press Taly, but actually remaining open to town lynches too.

I just remembered Ame actually hinted at scum!Taly as well.

Ame, not interested on my beef with him?

Again, trying very hard to be seen to suspect Taly, while his other town suspects are lynched.

Blake, I could settle on Fuzzy for today but what if I tell you I'm getting a deja-vu on your strong TR in Taly? Not budging?

Look at associatives between Fuzzy x Taly that I talked about. Not even a finger of self-doubt?

Tying Taly to Fuzzy, to when Fuzzy-town flips (as he did), it makes Taly seem town.

VOTE: Fuzzy

Joins the bandwagon (3rd joiner) on Fuzzy instead. Not long prior to this, Taly had started OMGUSing Churros too.

[Battle Mage]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Ha! You fools! ‘Twas not a hypothetical question, it was a crumb!
I’m a neopolitan.
Night one I targeted Luca, getting a VT result. So I was quite excited to hear this news.

Only to discover that not only was he dead, BUT ANOTHER VT TOO. 3/3 of the dead people were VTs by the time I said fuck at the start of D2. My first post was representative of me thinking “ugh, I’m probably the only investigative, and I’m likely gonna have no useful results.”

Night 2 I decided the same strategy of investigating a strong townread that I can get behind if I can clear them as a VT. I investigated Taly, and got a “not a VT” result.

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

I'm baffled that Eyestott thinks this means Taly is somehow confirmed town. I mean surely he couldn't actually believe that right?

I believe (at least) one of Eyestott and Paragon must be scum, based on voting patterns. Instinctively I believe the Eyestott claim, but the behaviour towards Taly, given we are presumably at LYLO, makes me hesitate on that.

No, I don’t. But I find Taly to be

the most likely person to be town here

. And I’m willing to, just for this day, work with that fact.

Why on earth would you find Taly the most likely person to be town here?

I've literally never seen anyone so obviously scum....

[Battle Mage]

Anyway, as you can see from post 2168, if Churros is scum, Taly is definitely positively guaranteed scum.

[Battle Mage]

Eyestott - please explain how you can possibly think Taly is town....

[Battle Mage]

It's hard to believe that with a player as good as Taly, town could be doing so dreadfully. I mean, he claims to have correctly identified 4 townies, who were in fact townies, by the start of Day 2 (although worth saying 3 of these were already dead at this point). Very impressive boast, although Taly's voting record doesn't compute with this, as he spent Day 1 voting for a range of different confirmed townies, including ultimately helping to lynch one.

On Day 1, per votecounts, Taly only voted for 1 person who isn't currently confirmed town.

Churros.

Night 1 Result

popsofctown

has died last night. She was:

Spoiler:

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have your voice and your vote but no special abilities.
You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Luca Blight

has died last night. He was:

Spoiler:

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have your voice and your vote but no special abilities.
You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Lovely. The two people I had almost conclusively as town from EoD1 conversations.

Good morning.

I think there's very low odds I don't support an NDMath lynch today, but I will still do my due diligence and look into the game further regardless.

I made 2 wallposts towncasing

NDMath

EoD1 and you haven't batted an eyelash to it.

I also towncased

Fuzzy

, and I wanted you to critique it because you said it had very poor logic, you never did.

[Battle Mage]

oh. my. god.

i never once thought people would actually think

churros/I

are a team.

BM

, it's evident that the only context you understand this game through is the one your scum PT has fed you.

or if not, you're

i can't find the words, honestly.

Sounds like I'm right then. Throwing lame shade at me like that doesn't make you look any more town.

[Battle Mage]

Taly - do me a favour and don't spam the thread with nonsense. We need to lynch scum today, and if you are town, acting a fool doesn't help. If you actually want to respond to comments constructively, let people say them, rather than bombarding us with crap.

I haven't meta'd you, but if you play like this elsewhere, I assume you must get lynched early ALOT.

It's hard to believe that with a player as good as Taly, town could be doing so dreadfully. I mean, he claims to have correctly identified 4 townies, who were in fact townies, by the start of Day 2 (although worth saying 3 of these were already dead at this point). Very impressive boast, although Taly's voting record doesn't compute with this, as he spent Day 1 voting for a range of different confirmed townies, including ultimately helping to lynch one.

On Day 1, per votecounts, Taly only voted for 1 person who isn't currently confirmed town.

Churros.

YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED WITH ME BEFORE

QUIET YOURSELF

I SELF-META'D MYSELF EARLY THIS GAME.

YOUR THOUGHTS EQUATE TO NOTHING IF YOU USE META WITH CONSULTING MY GAMES.

[Battle Mage]

Eyestott

, can you please make the case for why you think Taly is town?

Meanwhile, reposted for your delectation, some Day 1 Churros highlights:

Anyway, my reads are roughly:

Paragon/Eyecott - very likely town

Pops/Ame - pretty town

Wisp/Yshtar/Allo - more likely town than not

[Math, Luca] - more likely than not to have scum in it

[Fuzzy, Taly] - at least one scum here.

Out of Wisp/Allo/Yshtar, I like Yshtar the most even if you guys can't comprehend. One of the reasons is we're masons with the modifier of not having each other alignments confirmed (but we're still masons got it?). Another reason is a spiritual read (no irony). Not interested on explaining right now.

I'm to some degree confident one of [Fuzzy/Taly] is scum as well, if not both. Especially Taly.

Of his 4 scumreads, 3 are now confirmed town. If Churros is scum, I think he'd stick 1 of his buddies in that upper-tier, so that would be Taly.

Would you hate me even if Taly really is scum though?

Trying to curry favour if Taly is scum, which perhaps he knows to be true.

Allo, wouldn't you be interested in Taly, or at least Fuzzy?

I remember you saying Fuzzy was in your PoE as well, do you think NDmath is the higher odds lynch here or it's just because he already has a wagon on him opposed to fuzzy?

Very keen to be seen to press Taly, but actually remaining open to town lynches too.

I just remembered Ame actually hinted at scum!Taly as well.

Ame, not interested on my beef with him?

Again, trying very hard to be seen to suspect Taly, while his other town suspects are lynched.

Blake, I could settle on Fuzzy for today but what if I tell you I'm getting a deja-vu on your strong TR in Taly? Not budging?

Look at associatives between Fuzzy x Taly that I talked about. Not even a finger of self-doubt?

Tying Taly to Fuzzy, to when Fuzzy-town flips (as he did), it makes Taly seem town.

VOTE: Fuzzy

Joins the bandwagon (3rd joiner) on Fuzzy instead. Not long prior to this, Taly had started OMGUSing Churros too.

[Battle Mage]

If you believe

Churros/I

are a team.

You must believe

Blake

wasn't NKed because of her reads, if you're town. She had both of us in a non-lynch pool.

You must also believe that

Churros

replaced into this game with the pure intent of discrediting ALL towncases I've made this game, but he's only focused on about

Fuzzy

You must also believe that I've done NOTHING but defend mislynches this entire time. My read accuracy is the same regardless of my alignment, so how am I a mastermind that only plays a specific way as town and is a complete downgrade from that tonally as scum?

Answer this, or I'm ignoring you.

WIFOM garbage. Disregarded. Happy for you to ignore me, and stop spamming the thread.

[Battle Mage]

Also, you guys are 2v1'ing me hard right now

If you want to actually read my thoughts then stop hammering me for a bit.

How about you let someone make a case before you try and dispute it?

Obviously you're too scared and cornered to let anyone comment on anything. SCUM.

[Battle Mage]

I mean it is worth saying Taly, if you are town, you haven't had a stellar game in terms of reads. But the fact you've pretended to read correctly when actually you just voted for them all day, is dishonest, hence scum.

[Battle Mage]

Paragon pushing for a Taly lynch over a Churros lynch is definitely another good reason to lynch Churros.

[Battle Mage]

Taly, who do you think the scum are? top pick particularly?

[Battle Mage]

If Paragon is scum, Taly scum is less likely.

Likely partners for Paragon: (2 of) Something_Smart, Churros, Aloratom

[Battle Mage]

Yep, I definitely think Churros is the right lynch for today then on that basis.

[Battle Mage]

As town, I've had relatively the best reads this entire game.

A. That's not true.

B. If it was true, it wouldn't be much to write home about.

[Battle Mage]

If Paragon is scum, Taly scum is less likely.

Likely partners for Paragon: (2 of) Something_Smart, Churros, Aloratom

Yep, I definitely think Churros is the right lynch for today then on that basis.

If

person A

is scum, then

person B

MIGHT not

be scum.

So let's lynch

person C

.

The fuck?

Ah for me the logic is simple. You are scummiest player in the game. If you are scum, Churros most obvious scumbuddy. However, if you are not scum, likely Paragon is scum. If Paragon is scum, Churros quite likely to be scumbuddy.

Therefore Churros, although low key, is a much better lynch today - and then we can figure out the rest of the equation tomorrow!

[Battle Mage]

Paragon pushing for a Taly lynch over a Churros lynch is definitely another good reason to lynch Churros.

If Paragon is scum, Taly scum is less likely.

Likely partners for Paragon: (2 of) Something_Smart, Churros, Aloratom

Yep, I definitely think Churros is the right lynch for today then on that basis.

You said Taly was one of the most obvious scum you've seen, and scum!Churros hinges a lot on Taly being scum. I'm confused by your approach.

Also, you want to lynch Churros because I want to lynch Taly? How confident are you on me being scum?

To be honest, I'm starting to wonder if Taly is just bonkers rather than necessarily being scum. I mean, his defence of "I played badly, but less badly than everyone else, so I must be town" is just mad.

I'm not 'confident' on you being scum either, but clearly it's a possibility (half the game are scum).

Let's see how we get on with a

Vote: Churros

[Battle Mage]

Taly - that's completely the right logic ion 2206. I have no idea why you're insinuating that is scummy - again, I think if you were town you'd be a bit more thoughtful.

[Battle Mage]

To be honest, I'm starting to wonder if Taly is just bonkers rather than necessarily being scum. I mean, his defence of "I played badly, but less badly than everyone else, so I must be town" is just mad.

Not at all my defense for myself. You should improve your reading comprehension in mafia.

but haha, if I'm crazy, I must be

krazy good

, right?

You should improve your all-round mafia play

I'm not 'confident' on you being scum either, but clearly it's a possibility (half the game are scum).

Let's see how we get on with a Vote: Churros

You do know if you're voting town, then scumteam can just lolhammer right? Assuming we have 3 scum?

Nah, I'd be too quick.

[Battle Mage]

At the very least, this clears Taly, Something_Smart and I as a team

depends how fast you are. I thought I might get a nibble!

[Battle Mage]

Let's see how we get on with a

Vote: Churros

Maybe don't vote in LYLO before claims are finished?

But yeah, this. Unvote please, at least until the mass claim is over.

ooh it's getting exciting haha

[Battle Mage]

Taly - you're completely wrong in post 2216. But I'm sure that's obvious. (As obvious as you being scum!)

[Battle Mage]

Eyestott - how about explaining why Taly is town?

[Battle Mage]

Given the situation in the game, trying to find associations between players is exactly what needs to be done, in order to win 3 successive LYLOs in a town which has barely succeeded in getting a couple of votes on scum all game.

[Battle Mage]

Taly, please take a shower...

[Battle Mage]

As it stands, I'm not lynching

Eye

and am not feeling too good about an

S_S

lynch in light of the last 2 pages.

We NEED

Churros/Aloratom

in this thread already, blegh.

Eye

please help me keep from all-caps raging, please and thank you.

Taly - you're completely wrong in post 2216. But I'm sure that's obvious. (As obvious as you being scum!)

So I'm completely right on your action, but wrong on your assessment? How's it obvious?

Oh, and I guess I'm back to being scum for not reading your mind? Cool.

OK, shower for real now.

Nah you're scummy for assuming I'm scum because I think you're scum. That's really classic weak-scum play right there.

[Battle Mage]

And contrary to popular belief, if scum want to bus Churros now, I'm more than happy with that.

[Battle Mage]

Eyestott - how about explaining why Taly is town?

The frustration seems genuine to me. And Taly has been carrying the discussion and promoting activity from people for the whole game.

Translation: Taly has been leading the discussion throughout the game, whereby only 1 non-confirmed townie has even accumulated 3 votes, let alone enough to be considered a bandwagon.

Which illustrates one point of mine, which is that if Taly is as good as he obviously thinks he is, why has he consistently failed to identify scum, and has consistently voted for townies all game? A game in which he has been running the show, as you describe it?

[Battle Mage]

Eyestott- 90 pages into a game, if your entire argument for Taly town is that he has led the discussion which has resulted in successive townie lynches, chased lurkers, and got angry under suspicion, I think it falls short.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote

for now as I have other stuff to do.

[Battle Mage]

I suppose. But Tone-wise, he still seems towny to me.

How do you feel about a Churros lynch? obviously not too eager?

[Battle Mage]

Day 1 - FINAL VC13
TheFuzzylogic99 (7 - LYNCH): Blake Belladonna, Churros, NDMath, popsofctown, Taly, eyestott, Luca Blight

All confirmed town, apart from you, Taly and Churros.

I can't believe no scum on that lynch, can you?

[Battle Mage]

Day 2 - Final VC

NDMath (5 - LYNCH): Blake Belladonna,

Paragon, Eyestott, Aloratom

, Battle Mage

Oh hi Eyestott, there you are again!

Again must be some scum in bold there

[Battle Mage]

I definitely don't think Taly's angry and defensive reaction to light suspicion today is a towntell - although scum have basically won the game, I definitely think Taly has enough of an ego that he would want an unblemished victory.

[Battle Mage]

If you’re trying to convince me to believe your other cases by making a case that is, from my view, completely incorrect, you’re going to be dissapointed.

Like, what’s that supposed to achieve if it’s directed at me? Everyone has either been on one, two, or both of the final wagons.

I'm just showing the facts dude, what's your beef?

And no, you're wrong. As you can clearly see, you are the only one who was on BOTH of the final wagons.

I've got no idea what you mean in the first line here - I guess from your subsequent post, you're saying that because I pointed out you were on both final wagons, you won't vote for Churros/Taly, I think that's pretty revealing, in a negative way, for you.

[Battle Mage]

no Churros so far today

[Battle Mage]

Post 2019 made me laugh - no it's not the reason I replaced in

[Battle Mage]

Aloratom, what do you think about Churros, Taly and Polygon?

[Battle Mage]

Aloratom, what do you think about Churros, Taly and Polygon?

Okay, this is from skimming today's posts and isn't very well thought out.

Taly I've had a pretty consistent Town read on, although Day 2 I questioned his outrage at Day start, and he's done the same today to a certain extent. I'm not sure what to make of that. I don't think that a bulletproof claim necessarily clears him, but I lean toward it being so. I guess I need to read more about your scum read of him because no one, I believe, has had a strong scum read on him yet. I don't know whether your take has legs.

In and of itself, I can't see the bulletproof claim as meaning much. Easy for scum to claim gated bulletproof as a plausible claim which is unlikely to be countered or disproven once the vigilante is dead. Is it feasible in the current setup with what's been claimed? Absolutely possible yes.

I haven't done a meta analysis of Taly - to be fair I think that's asking too much for me replacing in at this stage into an incredibly difficult situation. I may give some examples of Taly looking scummy for reference, but if you haven't picked up on it during the game it doesn't achieve much. Perhaps there's some value in being new to the game and having an outsider's perspective, and also playing a few games simultaneously I think my reads are improving. Touch wood I guess....

And it's not quite true nobody has suspected Taly - Churros had a scumread on Taly for ages, but never been motivated enough to get him lynched.

Generally speaking I think anger is pretty null - plenty of townies and scum get angry for no reason, it's more a reflection of their own personalities.

Churros repped in for an inactive slot, and I have had difficulty reading him since he started. His Day 2 was interesting. I think that he and Blake had similar reads (I need to check that), except that for some reason he was voting her. All in all, in retrospect I think Blake's reads have been pretty strong, but she was wrong on NDMath, as was I. But she Town read Churros and they were both scum reading Something_Smart Day 2, who Churros ended up voting. Right now Churros has more Town equity to me than he did before.

This is fair and helpful. Interesting that Fuzzy (Day 1 lynch) was convinced Churros was scum. I'm finding it hard to look past a Churros-Taly scumpair because it's almost too obvious, but I'm probably being tunnel-visioned, and then there's a question on who the 3rd one would be. I can't believe there isn't scum between yourself, Paragon and Eyestott. As bad as town has been this game, I think scum would have been quite happy being on the lynch-wagons, so I'm assuming at least 1 scum each day.

Paragon I've had a hard time getting over his initial tricks, and that still carries some weight. But since then, I get more of a genuine tone from him. There was something that I read today that I need to go back and look at that makes me question him. He was even more convinced of NDMath!scum than I, I believe. In fact, I think both he and I ended Day 1 with votes on him. I've actually got a Town lean on him.

The problem with this is I'm getting too many Town leans right now and not enough players. Today's posts from what I can see have been tremendously scattered. I can't follow everyone's lines of thought. You have a significant number of posts that differ in tone and structure from your predecessors, and that needs to be examined. In addition, there are a lot of accusations flying back and forth. It's hard to keep up.

I definitely don't have the problem of too many town-leans! As above, if you believe Paragon is town, surely you must feel Eyestott is scum(or me actually!)? Or you think the scum hesitated to lynch a townie yesterday and take the game to LYLO? I can't see why they would bother being coy, when it was really there for the taking...

I definitely think given the claims, assuming 3 scum is safe, so of the 6 players which aren't yourself (if you're town), 50% are scum.

Thanks for the analysis, it's useful!

[Battle Mage]

Of note: I did look through Taly's scumgames and I didn't find a single instance of ALL-CAPS raging there. However, the fact Taly is aware of this meta and made a self-meta case earlier in this game means scum!him is far more likely to manipulate it to his benefit in this game.

Yes this is logical. I do feel less inclined to check someone's meta when they are directing me to do so as a defence of their play.

[Battle Mage]

Taly, I'd love to see you point out these "potential slips". I'm not treating the words of Blake Belladonna as a deity, but I'm putting weight into her and Luca's reads, and thinking about why they were nightkilled.

I think it's interesting that Paragon and Aloratom are both putting weight into Blake's reads. Greatly increases the likelihood that Blake was killed in order to set up a kill today based on his/her suspects. Obviously convenient for them both as neither of them were high on Blake's radar from recollection.

Personally, I'm not going to put much stock into that when scum are 1 mislynch away from victory, and could easily have orchestrated anything with their NK.

I'm seriously entertaining a Taly, Something_Smart, and Battle Mage team for these reasons:

• Battle Mage hard scumreads Taly but has logicked a way into always voting for someone else before he votes Taly today.
  
• Something_Smart has had Taly as his top town for a while, and earlier today was suggesting Taly was "wrong" over him possibly being scum.
  
• Taly's been seriously mudslinging me today, trying to find any reason possible to implicate me as scum. If you actually look over his reasons you'll see what I mean.

Something_Smart, could you elaborate on your Taly read please?

Also, I would love to vote Taly after Churros claims and nothing changes, but I know town!eyestott would vote me over him, which makes this situation very problematic.

If that's the full extent of your Something_Smart and Taly connection, at this stage of the game, I think it's pretty weak.

I think the suspicion on me is fair, although it's just the reality of the situation - we need to find 3 scum, not just 1, and every lynch has to be right. But the odds today are pretty good if you don't get influenced by scum.

I don't think you need to convince me Taly might be scum.

The rest of your post is interesting. Hopefully everyone (town-side) is reasonably careful today.

[Battle Mage]

Hypothetically, if you're scum who is trying to justify why they are not being night-killed, despite being very influential and loud in the game, isn't a bulletproof the perfect gambit for that?

[Battle Mage]

^Not relevant actually, with the death of a vig beforehand.

[Battle Mage]

I genuinely don't know I can read this game without getting angry anymore.

Eye

has 0 to gain from claiming as scum here.

Alo

is probably one of the most genuine solvers in the game and I buy that VT claim of his.

Churros

is a bit less sure of as town but the push on him is so abhorrent he's probably town anyway.

S_S

is more certainly not groupscum, I don't know if I buy the VT claim but that's not exactly scum-indicative, not feeling as top lynch.

Battle Mage

is doing whatever he can to protect

Paragon

while breaking down any other townreads and is focusing on associatives instead of hard scumreads. Also their emoji's make light of genuine issues that I'm giving right now, it's a mockery of me.

Paragon

is the only person that makes sense as 100% concrete scum, both by their D3 posts here - potential slips, awkward read progressions, and the fact that

Blake/Pops

were his NKed public shields that he doesn't need anymore because

Aloratom/Churros

probably fulfills that role aligns most with the gamestate I could envision scum wanting to win this game in. Also, he keeps referencing

Blake's

reads as the word of a diety but isn't actually following her logic.

I'm not doing this for 10 days. These are my reads.

This entire game I've been dismissed or misrepresented, and this can't all just be a problem with me anymore.

People can talk through me the game but if a vote happens on the bottom 2 of my reads, I'm jumping on the wagon.

If Taly is town and posted this, it's a terrible post. Because it basically tells the scum that they can wagon me or Paragon and secure the victory.

I can't believe Taly-town would make such a big blunder, right!?

In terms of the content itself, the stuff about me isn't even right, which is a bit pathetic when I've only been here for a few pages...
Baffled by the lack of town-logic - Taly is a beneficiary in some respects of an associative approach, because if we lynched the scummiest player today, it would be him. In a perverse way, the fact Taly is criticising logic which increases his own chances of survival actually makes me think he could be town who has the lost the plot.

I can't really believe that 90 pages into the game, with the town needing to find 3 scum, Taly is unable to come up with more than 2 potential scumreads, and 1 of those is based on being upset about the use of emojis.

[Battle Mage]

I'm struggling a little with the idea of Eyestott being town. His ISO makes for pretty grim reading. And despite being on both town mislynches, he has only once voted for somebody who isn't now confirmed town - Taly, in the RVS.

I do also think with all these vanilla townie claims, it's slightly unlikely that scum didn't foresee a mass claim being possible today, and I can't imagine they wouldn't have given some consideration of what they might claim. So in that way, I'd be surprised if all scum are claiming vanilla today - I would think they'd have come up with something more exciting than that.

[Battle Mage]

Ok so my feeling is it could be:

Churros-Taly-Eyestott

or

Aloratom-Paragon & 1 of Churros/Something Smart. I find it hard to not put Churros in that spot, as otherwise we'd be saying there was no scum on the Day 1 lynchwagon. Although I think it's more likely more scum on Day 2 as there would be less need to avoid being seen on the wagon. But if Churros was scum, surely Taly would have to be scum too right....

If Eyestott is town, an Aloratom-Paragon pairing is much more likely, which in turn reduces the chances of Taly-scum.

Damn, I'm going round in circles here...

I feel like Something_Smart is probably the least likely to be in the scumteam and therefore least likely to be the right lynch for today.

Need to think more...

[Battle Mage]

Paragon, what the fuck is this?>

Ame, what makes you feel so confident that Pops is scum? Is this meta?

Thank you for asking this. I must admit it was all part of my masterplan to hint at someone else to ask Ame about her popsofctown read.

For those who don't understand what this questioning quota is;

I will now fullclaim:

At the beginning of the game, I started with a quota of questions I could ask other players.
Every time I ask a question, the number goes down by 1.
Every time I answer another player's question, the number goes up by 1.

My quota is currently at 1 since I recently answered a question from Taly. I will be using my questions more wisely. I also encourage people to ask me more questions so that I can replenish my quota.

[Battle Mage]

Oh no.

You've stumbled across that, have you? I'll give you the summary:

• Claimed it as joke and for fun.
  
• Some took it seriously. Some didn't.
  
• People realised post restrictions were forbidden in Normals.
  
• I didn't let up and maintained the restriction was true.
  
• People started scumreading me for it.
  
• I admitted it was all a joke.

Excellent.

In other news, I have decided

Paragon and Eyestott cannot both be scum, but 1 probably is

[Battle Mage]

Damnit, it's you isn't it Paragon? Who are your buddies!?

[Battle Mage]

This game is stressful as hell. If Churros is scum, and we don't lynch him today, I'll feel like a complete idiot.

Yeah a Churros claim could be really helpful.

[Battle Mage]

One big problem is, if Taly is town, and Paragon is scum, we can't win anyway, because Taly would lynch me tomorrow after Paragon today.
Or Taly would lynch me first today which means we lose straight away. Or Paragon is town and we lose today anyway.

So basically, because of Taly's position, town can't win if Taly is town. So we're in a shitty corner where Taly has to be scum for us to have any hope.

Damn.

I have a very uneasy feeling about this, but there's no other option unfortunately. And I suppose mathematically there's a 50-50 chance...

My actual prediction, for what it's worth, is:

Paragon-Aloratom-Something_Smart

[Battle Mage]

town has even less hope of winning if Eyestott and Taly are both town, and follow Taly's reads on the game.

[Battle Mage]

Churros, claim now.

[Battle Mage]

also what is it with people in this game talking about their bathroom habits?

[Battle Mage]

Wait, what? Your actual prediction is nothing like what you've been saying in most of your posts. I feel what you're saying but with regards to eyestott for me. If he's town, then we probably lose if Taly is scum.

Our favourite Ninja Cult Leader, popsofctown is telling me to post another prediction for posterity's sake for post game:

Taly + eyestott + Battle Mage

That's even more reason to lynch Taly today then.

Both because I'm in your top 3 lynches too, but also because Eyestott will follow Taly anyway. Although if you're right, it won't be possible to lynch Taly-scum anyway without somebody bussing.

My gut feeling is screaming that you are scum - something about the eagerness and excitement which comes with scum on the cusp of victory. Although you're conducting yourself with calmness and grace, so kudos for your manner.

[Battle Mage]

Of all the PR claims, I think Taly's is the least plausible. Although it's still plausible.

[Battle Mage]

That's even more reason to lynch Taly today then.

I skimmed a bunch of posts and didn't nearly read everything yet, but weren't you saying that you wanted to lynch me?

Your reason for wanting to lynch me already didn't make any sense since it was roughly an association/info lynch when we're in

LyLo

, but you're spinning it around now that I hinted at being a PR?

Anyway, I need to count but isn't BM/me confirmed to have scum from any 3rd party PoV and we always lynch here? He voted me for some time, I think everyone aside from me/Alo posted and there was no hammer. Why I feel like people are so mechanically slow nowadays...? Like, no offense but?

this was posted before you claimed a PR - I had no idea whether you were going to claim anything until you did.

And no, I was online for the maybe 20 minutes the vote was left on. It was pretty obviously bait, and nobody went for it (sadly!). NAI for you, or anyone around at the time.

[Battle Mage]

Ok I'm taking the plunge.

Vote: Taly

For reasons already clearly outlined.

[Battle Mage]

we don't have much choice because Taly only has 2 scumreads, and at least 1 of them is town, and has declared he/she will join a wagon on either of them. So if Taly is town we lose anyway. So we have to hope Taly is scum, otherwise we're just getting it over with early.

[Battle Mage]

That's even more reason to lynch Taly today then.

I skimmed a bunch of posts and didn't nearly read everything yet, but weren't you saying that you wanted to lynch me?

Your reason for wanting to lynch me already didn't make any sense since it was roughly an association/info lynch when we're in

LyLo

, but you're spinning it around now that I hinted at being a PR?

Anyway, I need to count but isn't BM/me confirmed to have scum from any 3rd party PoV and we always lynch here? He voted me for some time, I think everyone aside from me/Alo posted and there was no hammer. Why I feel like people are so mechanically slow nowadays...? Like, no offense but?

And no, I was online for the maybe 20 minutes the vote was left on

. It was pretty obviously bait, and nobody went for it (sadly!). NAI for you, or anyone around at the time.

Ah, I feel a bit stupid now.

I still don't like how you treated my slot though

Don't be over-sensitive about it. If Taly is scum, you were like the only person who nailed it, and nailed it early. So big thumbs up to you!

[Battle Mage]

I keep telling myself that if Taly is town, Churros must also be town. And if Churros is town, SS is now town.

Which would only leave Aloratom, Paragon and Eyestott as possible scum anyway. But I did say that Paragon and Eyestott were unlikely to be scum together.

[Battle Mage]

Yep we're going to go with this for today. Finger's crossed!

[Battle Mage]

I keep telling myself that if Taly is town, Churros must also be town. And if Churros is town, SS is now town.

Which would only leave Aloratom, Paragon and Eyestott as possible scum anyway. But I did say that Paragon and Eyestott were unlikely to be scum together.

This rationale is on the basis that if Churros was scum, I think he would have thrown an obligatory scum-read on one of his buddies, and Taly is the only person he suspected who wasn't confirmed town. So if Taly is town, Churros can't be scum, and SS then can't be scum.

Sadly, the team of

Aloratom, Paragon and Eyestott

is perfectly possible, but it's just 1 combination we can't beat today, so hopefully the odds are with us! And to be honest, the odds of us ever beating them, given 2 of them are Taly's top 2 townreads, is nil anyway.

Confirm Vote: Taly

That's it from me today.

[Battle Mage]

So, the moment people actually try and acknowledge my viewpoints this game - the thread concludes that regardless of my alignment, I'm always a problem to town's win here. Everything that's been posted about me today have been misrepresentations.

I hate how this playerlist has interacted with me. If I'm the game's final mislynch then put me out of my fucking misery.

People didn't listen to me D1 and people aren't listening to me now.

S_S, Eye, Alo;

I'm sorry. You guys deserved better from me and a better playerlist.

Taly, we have listened to you, and that's the problem. Or if you're scum, it's the solution, because you've given the town no option but to lynch you to have any chance of winning.

[Battle Mage]

So, the moment people actually try and acknowledge my viewpoints this game - the thread concludes that regardless of my alignment, I'm always a problem to town's win here. Everything that's been posted about me today have been misrepresentations.

I hate how this playerlist has interacted with me. If I'm the game's final mislynch then put me out of my fucking misery.

People didn't listen to me D1 and people aren't listening to me now.

S_S, Eye, Alo;

I'm sorry. You guys deserved better from me and a better playerlist.

This is actually really scummy. If you believe Something_Smart, eyestott, and Alorarom are all town with you like you're suggesting in the last line, you have absolutely nothing to fear about Churros/Battle Mage/I talking about voting you. You should be trying to convince the people you think are town to vote Battle Mage; not talking about how you're going to be the game's final mislynch because who you think is the scumteam all look like they're going to vote you.
Perspective slip!

Maybe you're right here. But Taly would have more options beyond just voting for me. He/she could vote for you for instance, although it doesn't really change anything. Really, if Taly was town, the main advice would be to get a grip and realise it's likely that

at least

1 of the people he/she is buddying, are scum.

But the ship has sailed. If Taly is town, I'm going to be immensely frustrated, but it would have been a tough day even without this.

[Battle Mage]

Taly, we have listened to you, and that's the problem. Or if you're scum, it's the solution, because you've given the town no option but to lynch you to have any chance of winning.

This post - like your entire ISO - will age so horribly post-game, and that's almost satisfactory enough for me.

If you're town, you really are completely blind to the reality of what you've done here. You've backed us into a corner where you have to be lynched otherwise town has no hope. That's on you. It's just simple logic, I'm sure you understand it.

For what it's worth, I'm happy with my play here either way. I've done the best that can be done with the crappy situation, which if you are town, you have put us in. But I'm sure if you are town, you will blame everybody but yourself.

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage because he's currently voting you, Taly.

So, I'm supposed to gladiate with 1 other person? That's how this day goes?

Just like

Fuzzy V NDMath

-

NDMath V Blake

... it's going to be

Taly V BM

now?

Wow, this game is fucked.

this is 1 instance where you, Taly, are actually correct. You don't necessarily need to vote for me, although obviously I don't care either way!

[Battle Mage]

Taly, I'm not even going to continue this conversation, it's pointless. You've done what you've done, and the game has to be played around you and that's it.

[Battle Mage]

well, if you're town we've lost anyway. if you're scum, you've made your play, and I suppose we have to hope the town sides with me! That'll be a first...

[Battle Mage]

Okay
lets assume that the all the PR Claims are true. That makes Churros, myself, Taly and S_S town.
I'll admit that Taly's claim initially seemed slightly implausible (why 2-shot?) but that specificity lends a lot of credibility to Churros' claim, and vice versa. I don't see Churros and Taly being a different alignment to each other right now, so the scumteams would either be Churros/Taly/maybe S_S? (which makes this setup 3 scum vs 1 neapolitan and 1 1-shot vig, which is hardly fair) or Alo/Para/BM. Both Alo AND Para shifted in their view towards me yesterday in a very similar way, and Alo's reaction to my D2 towncase on him was ESPECIALLY odd.

I approve of most of this, EXCEPT, I don't think it's SS.

So my current working theory is, it has to be Taly and Churros as scum. Because it's been hours, and if one of them was town, and I'm scum, I'd certainly be dead.

So for observers, I think it's highly likely I'm town, and therefore Taly and Churros are scum.

The 3rd partner? Hard to call, and I don't necessarily think we should be too certain today anyway, as it gives scum too much info. If I die tonight, please do refer back to my comments from earlier in the day.

BUT, I'm fairly confident Churros-scum wouldn't try to false-confirm their partner - too big a risk if SS got lynched today. And it makes much more sense for Churros to try and curry favour with town and SS specifically, by 'confirming' him.

So, it must be:

Town: Battle Mage, Something_Smart
Scum: Taly, Churros (which by the way, aside from the fact they are both voting for me and I'm not dead, is a pretty obvious pairing from their interactions as I pointed out at the very beginning)

[Battle Mage]

It doesn't matter if

BP

flips scum here.

By the way, this could be a massive tell.

Only Churros calls me "BP", so presumably the scum were talking about me last night in their PT, and that's how Taly got the name in his head.

You can see in an earlier post in this very game, Churros uses the BP acronym in reference to me (although I wasn't in the game at that point).