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I'd just like a chance to take you out to dinner firstIn post 20, PenguinPower wrote:You jealous or something, Dann? I didn't say "yes."- Dannflor
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I think his defaulting to "controlling tomorrow's lynch" and the frankly dumb assumption that there were two scum voting him is more likely to come from town than not.In post 117, PenguinPower wrote:Why is clidd town?
also his inconsistency seems townie
It's very possible this is a bad take and I'm taking a too wolfy to be wolf read too far, but that's my gut reaction to his extreme reaction- Dannflor
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I'm more curious why you moved from FB to clidd without much happening in between. Did something clidd said spark that? Do you have a read on him?In post 119, RCEnigma wrote:
Not ironically, to see who unvotes first. I think it's interesting that you're both the first unvote and subsequently pushing me for my vote.In post 114, Dannflor wrote:clidd is actually town
RCE, why did you choose to vote clidd when you did?
VOTE: RCE
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What does my unvote and push on you mean? Beyond being "interesting?"
I thought your vote was the most convenient of the whole wagon and I'd suspected clidd might be town from shortly after I voted him.- Dannflor
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like idk
I'd like to think scum normally goes back to actually check who was voting them
while town can very easily get flustered/indignant and think the whole world is out to get them when pressured early for seemingly no reason
It's not outside of any scum meta and I don't have experience with clidd, but it just strikes me as a lot less careful than scum under pressure should be prone to be- Dannflor
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noIn post 133, OkaPoka wrote:dannflor have you ever played a game of mafia as mafia where you were getting randomly voted early on for like no reason
lol last game I literally was just likeIn post 142, Firebringer wrote:Btw dann I know how u fake reads on me now so it won’t work again
idk im gonna let Ank read you- Dannflor
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I sort of agree with thisIn post 132, RCEnigma wrote:I think Clidd probably is town, and scum is more likely to be spooked off a town wagon than town would.
but I'm curious why you find me *attacking* the votes on the wagon scum indicative, or interesting, as you put it
because that would indicate to me that you have a partner read- Dannflor
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I think frustration manifests differently in scum and townIn post 152, OkaPoka wrote:let me just tell you that its a very frustrating thing to feel
can u sympathize with that
it can manifest in very much the same way so like this isn't a damning tell or whatever
but town frustration is almost always gonna be outwardly emotional and inconsistent
while scum frustration has a decent chance to cause the player to act *more* reserved and consistent in order to somehow fix things- Dannflor
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clidd what does it tell you that no one else really seems to be seeing what you're seeingIn post 164, clidd wrote:i insist we lynch comical
it was very explicit what she tried to do there
she flips scum=Pine scum- Dannflor
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no whatIn post 175, clidd wrote:
ok, explain whyIn post 168, Dannflor wrote:
clidd what does it tell you that no one else really seems to be seeing what you're seeingIn post 164, clidd wrote:i insist we lynch comical
it was very explicit what she tried to do there
she flips scum=Pine scum
I'm asking you what nobody else listening to you here means for your reads
does that make you more/less confident?- Dannflor
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I believe youIn post 198, OkaPoka wrote:now this is also a theory claim but believe me im town- Dannflor
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that's because you told me in the scum PT not to interact with youIn post 263, Eddie Cane wrote:I think the fact nobody has commented on me this game spews me town, because my partners haven't tried to fake interactions.- Dannflor
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is this something you can elaborate on now that he's done it?In post 264, PenguinPower wrote:THE TOWNIE THING- Dannflor
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unblend meIn post 396, Firebringer wrote:but dannyboi everytime i think of am like "he is just trying to blend in a bit isn't he?- Dannflor
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because I feel like this post is counterproductive to getting your vote on meIn post 397, Firebringer wrote:then again maybe dannyboi keeps switching his vote too much to be scum. Not even sure that's a thing scum!danny doesn't do
and your whole discussion with Auro just feels earnest tonally
also people noticing that I'm a bit off or a bit more opaque in my play so far this game would be correct and I'm awarding slight town points to you two for noticing that- Dannflor
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Mostly on purpose Fire
I have a lot of hanging thoughts I want to share but I want to do it all at once and concisely when I'm more of sure of everything
also I know once I go to my usual full transparency on every thought and semi-frequent wall post style there will be no coming back
but it's coming very soon- Dannflor
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oh no not tonightIn post 414, OkaPoka wrote:
cases !In post 412, Dannflor wrote:i don't like clidd that much
i don't like alchemist anymore
and I actually have a strong scum read on eddie
sooooo
but yes it will happen
(queue auro saying to lynch me if I don't deliver)- Dannflor
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That's fair! But I mean Apocalypse U-pick too. There's just less specific questioning than I would expect from you. Which I guess is stupid to tell you but I'm not overtly worried because I think that's something you've stated you have trouble faking fluidly in scum games.In post 413, Auro wrote:
You likely won't be seeing me match my White Flag play this game btwIn post 404, Dannflor wrote:Auro is less Auro-y than usual- Dannflor
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hm but PP is like my strongest town readIn post 430, Firebringer wrote:Spicey take:
Eddie Cane, Luna Fox, and Penguinpower are the scumteam.
albeit for fluffier reasons than I'd like- Dannflor
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I really specifically remember you or someone close to you saying that! But now that I think about it I can't remember where it came from at all.In post 435, Auro wrote:Dann, did I actually say I have trouble faking fluidity as scum? While some people like the worst toneread me I think I personally am pretty good at faking fluidity/progressions.
I'm well aware of my meta of asking questions, etc - asking pointed questions and appearing gamesolvey is a prominent characteristic of my scum meta too.
I was a non-presence in Apocalypse, no? I had very little impact that game.
Also I think you had a fairly sizable impact on the game considering you drew a nightkill over a claimed cop.- Dannflor
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In post 527, OkaPoka wrote:what happened to your braveryIn post 528, Eddie Cane wrote:
you kinda sound like you know you're talking to townIn post 525, Comical wrote:Yes, but Clidd, assuming you’re correct based on a page 6 read is insanely ignorant, and post game, if you are town, you should really take consideration in seeing the weaknesses in your play, in addition to learning how even if you think someone is scum, you still need to be able to work with said player in the case you are wrong, which you are here.- Dannflor
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Hi, sorry, I've been disassociated from this game pretty heavily. Not from lack of time, just from general inability to focus because of RL which... yeah.
So, I've only really been paying half my attention to this game and as a result I think a lot of my thoughts have been half-baked. For instance, reading back through I don't really think Eddie Cane is scum anymore. I'll still explain why I thought so because otherwise Okapoka is going to be disappointed in me, but really all my previously mentioned reads are like... amorphous piles of goo.
Basically, I thought EC was scum because he wasn't really trying. There are a number of reasons for this beyond alignment, but I thought alignment was the most likely answer. In Team Mafia, even when EC was mostly V/LA for the first few days, he still popped into the Open with game relevant takes. Now, Team Mafia is a different beast of course, but I've also read a few of EC's town games and he's usually still *a presence* in the early game, even during early games where he's complaining about boredom or nothing happening or bad players. He'll be like "I have one read," or "I have three reads and you're all trash," and try to spark discussion through enigmatic content like that.
Here, I felt like he was just floating around but without the extra little oomph that makes his town game. Then he voted me and I thought "hm wanting to kill me D1 because it would be funny 'regardless of my flip' when I'm a pretty polarized player is a suspicious thing to say," and then I moved my vote to see if EC would get into the game and eventually move his vote or choose who he really wanted to kill. He hasn't done that, but like:
This is pretty earnest, a pretty stupid thing for scum to say at this stage of the game, and pretty much how I'm feeling now. It also explains half the qualms I had with him, and really, the other half was me latching onto stuff because I was trying to find stuff to latch onto.In post 603, Eddie Cane wrote:I honestly have 0 real reads.
I don't think this makes EC hard town or anything, but I would generally expect scum!EC to have a stronger presence by this point. Even though I know he strongly prefers town, he's good at both alignments and I *think* he'd be slightly more likely to do-nothing as town until he finds something to get him into the game, thus relying on his ability to townspew when he needs it. As scum I think it'd be more advantageous for him to get a foothold early.
That said, I've literally never seen EC's scum game so my analysis is based in very little.
So really what this entire post is trying to say is that I've moved EC from a wavering scum read to a slight town lean- Dannflor
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I know who Comical is and I think I always scum read them, so I'm trying to be self-critical here
but #525 still looks like it TMIs Clidd town. It's not damning, yes, Auro, people tend to assume people are town --- something about the wording of this post in particular, and the lengths to which Comical goes to represent a clidd!town scenario just seems... There's something very LAMIST about it I think.
His push on Eddie Cane in #536 and #538 is bad in retrospect. EC has done nothing this game and somehow Comical pulls "setting themselves up positioning wise" out of that.
My reaction test was actually just to see if EC would unvote me or not, I had an actual scum ping from Comical
I want more from #556, what exactly changed your read on EC, Comical? What is your perception of the game state now? This feels like a very slimy way to slink out of a push that they felt was going bad. The worst part is they have the confidence to know they can get away with something as brazen as that and then talk their way out of it. but I think it's slightly more scum agenda than cocky town- Dannflor
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incorrect!In post 618, Auro wrote:Dann's recent posting makes me slightly more confident in him being scum.- Dannflor
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no ideaIn post 621, Auro wrote:What do you think were my reasons for scumreading you?
Apart from opaqueness, which wasn't really a reason.
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