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Is it because I already called you scum on Page 1?In post 37, clidd wrote:
i don't like this guy, seems a robot on his reactionsIn post 30, Alchemist21 wrote:If you ain't first you're last.- Alchemist21
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Town with you.In post 58, Firebringer wrote:Alchemist I think ur rushing into this game a bit fast for u
What up?
R u gonna be town with me or town against me?!?!
Krazy's game that just ended showed what happens when Town stays quiet and scum controls everything and since I'm usually one of the quiet ones I need to step up more.- Alchemist21
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I've played with you enough times to think you're Town here. I'll also be heartbroken if you're scum and we can't get our old trend of being the same alignment back again.In post 65, Firebringer wrote:
Hmmhmmm feels strange to townread me this early. Kind of suspicious if u ask meIn post 60, Alchemist21 wrote:
Town with you.In post 58, Firebringer wrote:Alchemist I think ur rushing into this game a bit fast for u
What up?
R u gonna be town with me or town against me?!?!
Krazy's game that just ended showed what happens when Town stays quiet and scum controls everything and since I'm usually one of the quiet ones I need to step up more.- Alchemist21
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Town him will try to solve the game while scum him will just dick around and troll everyone.In post 73, RCEnigma wrote:
What do you think is town indicative out of FB?In post 69, Alchemist21 wrote:
I've played with you enough times to think you're Town here. I'll also be heartbroken if you're scum and we can't get our old trend of being the same alignment back again.In post 65, Firebringer wrote:
Hmmhmmm feels strange to townread me this early. Kind of suspicious if u ask meIn post 60, Alchemist21 wrote:
Town with you.In post 58, Firebringer wrote:Alchemist I think ur rushing into this game a bit fast for u
What up?
R u gonna be town with me or town against me?!?!
Krazy's game that just ended showed what happens when Town stays quiet and scum controls everything and since I'm usually one of the quiet ones I need to step up more.- Alchemist21
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I have no idea what this means.In post 89, Comical wrote:but I wouldn't skip getting a Harvey's tray when traveling to Toronto- Alchemist21
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I think so too. I don't agree with Dann's idea that scum are less likely to flail but I can see why he'd think that.In post 189, Auro wrote:Why yikes? That looks like a transparently town thought.- Alchemist21
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Dann isn't a newbie so why would this be relevant?In post 201, Auro wrote:Do you believe that also applies to newbies?- Alchemist21
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Oh you thought we were talking about Clidd. We were talking about what Dann said.In post 205, Auro wrote:I assumed Clidd was a Newbie (somehow gut inferred off his play)- Alchemist21
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That's what I thought too.In post 213, OkaPoka wrote:i am saying yikes to clidd but i thought we were talking about dann having a transparently town thought process- Alchemist21
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If you're still convinced it's Clidd then why did you move to Auro?In post 174, Comical wrote:
I’m pretty sure I just had their number and Clidd is playing up what’s getting them townread.In post 168, Dannflor wrote:
clidd what does it tell you that no one else really seems to be seeing what you're seeingIn post 164, clidd wrote:i insist we lynch comical
it was very explicit what she tried to do there
she flips scum=Pine scum
There's a part of me thinking that in this whole triangle of Clidd-Pine-Comical it could just be Pine who's scum and Clidd and Comical were overthinking each others' moves here, but the vote change from Comical makes me unsure. Still think I'd rather go with Pine here though.
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Here's where I'm at with you two:
The way Clidd went from calling for Pine's lynch to voting you for voting Pine does look like it was premeditated, and trying to accuse a Town player of being scum who's going for Towncred is a move I've personally tried to do as scum before, but if he thinks scum would want to side with a mislynch for Towncred it does make sense that he would try to bait scum into doing it. On the other side, it did look odd when Clidd called for Pine's lynch and didn't vote him and it was a good callout from Comical, especially if you think it's scum distancing from a partner but afraid of an actual backlash wagon on their partner. Comic's vote on Pine came off as a "put your money where your mouth is" move to me to see if Clidd would actually vote Pine and instead got Clidd voting them instead.
I've toyed with the different combinations of alignments for you in my head and the scenario that makes the most sense to me is that they're both Town who tried to trap scum and now think each other is caught scum while both are forgetting about Pine, which I do think is a slot that needs more attention.- Alchemist21
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How's the sig relevant? "bei Gelegenheit" is just German for "on occasion" according to Google translate.In post 292, Zulfy wrote:257 is an actual thing then: fine. Sig becomes relevant- Alchemist21
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I think Clidd was kinda right that Pine's vote on him was weak, and Pine's overall entrance was weak. Additionally, if I drew 3 names from the 12 of you the odds that at least one of the names were scum is ~60%, and I know 3 slots interacting isn't exactly random but I think it's still a good way to look at it and I'm thinking both Clidd and Comical are Town. It's not like I'm 100% sure on Pine being scum but I think it's a good vote.In post 328, OkaPoka wrote:lol but also on the flip we have alchemist who says hes the real scum of comical v clidd but the dude has three posts that arent walls or anyhting crazy like that- Alchemist21
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Luna please don’t be scum because I don’t want to lynch someone with a cute avi.In post 371, Luna Fox wrote:
I know right?! it's so rare for me to not have scumreads!In post 367, Firebringer wrote:no scumreads! wth.- Alchemist21
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Why?In post 452, Eddie Cane wrote:I must insist on Pine's inclusion.
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@Clidd, you were scumreading Comical for avoiding questions about her voting Pine but she was challenging you on your lack of a Pine vote, which was a fair point from her. Y’all were both doing the same thing of refusing to answer each other because you thought the other was scum and didn’t want to give up control of the conversation. I’m seeing two sides of the same coin here and it’s why I’m Townreading both of you.- Alchemist21
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It's not a solid feeling but it feels like you're trying to start a NKA discussion to lead Town to the wrong conclusions about why Firebringer was killed.In post 747, Auro wrote:
Reasons?In post 746, Alchemist21 wrote:I think this is a good place to start.- Alchemist21
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Why would it matter? I wouldn't trust any conclusion about the Firebringer kill.In post 752, Auro wrote:Interesting that you'd rather just vote me directly instead of seeing where I would "lead" town to first.- Alchemist21
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I think you'd just go ahead and give the conclusion of your own personal analysis rather than host an open discussion that that would give scum into the Town's opinions and help them steer them the wrong way.In post 753, Auro wrote:And as town who thinks the Fire NKA is a good lead, what do you think I would do, Alchie?
Instead of saying what you think, you're looking for what everyone else thinks and I think that could be because you're scum trying to get a feel for the room.- Alchemist21
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That was given in response to the number of posts saying Fire was the reason they joined.In post 762, Auro wrote:I did give one conclusion from personal analysis: that we could weakly PoE players who Fire specifically dragged to play, since I don't think they would kill him N1
I don't expect any N1 NKA to be good tbh because of how many different reasons someone could be killed. It's not really the lack of NKA from you that bothers me, it's you trying to see other's in a way that I think is highly open to manipulation. If it really was just because you don't have much experience with FB, then fine I'm wrong.What personal analysis can I make of who Fire has good reads on?
It's not really true that there's nothing there in Fire's ISO. There's scumreads on you, Dannfloor, and myself. It's enough that someone who wanted to could try to make an analysis, but again it's not the actual lack of analysis that bothers me here.What other personal analysis can I make? I looked at the ISO loosely already; there's nothing much there.- Alchemist21
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Yes.In post 774, Auro wrote:
Have you read the ISO right now to verify that?In post 772, Alchemist21 wrote:It's not really true that there's nothing there in Fire's ISO. There's scumreads on you
If you haven't, read it again - do you stick by this?- Alchemist21
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The kind that doesn't give scum the chance to form good-sounding answers that Town wants to hear.In post 776, Auro wrote:
Which method of analyzing other players is not highly open to manipulation?In post 772, Alchemist21 wrote:it's you trying to see other's in a way that I think is highly open to manipulation.
p-edit: Damn, Penguin, really? Sorry to hear that. Hope you stay healthy out there.- Alchemist21
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You might think he was joking but he kept the vote there for some time, then asked you specifically about Dann and me, his other 2 scumreads. He doesn't do that without some level of suspicion on you.In post 159, Firebringer wrote:Auro can’t have a good read on rce yet because I don’t have one
He is lying and therefore scum
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The kind RC uses. This is getting sidetracked away from the original point.In post 782, Auro wrote:
Sure, name a specific example of such a method.In post 780, Alchemist21 wrote:The kind that doesn't give scum the chance to form good-sounding answers that Town wants to hear.- Alchemist21
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He's somewhere in the list of Top 3 posters I've played the most games with.In post 785, Auro wrote:How much experience do you have with Fire?
Does the reasoning in his early "scumread" on me strike as concrete to you?
Do you believe town!Fire cares about where his vote is while he's playing the game?
Do you believe town in general would care much about where their vote is?
Yes he cares; I've said earlier that Town Firebringer does try to solve the game. He suspected you less than Dann or me, and I think half of his vote/discussion with you was trying to solidify a read on you, but you were definitely in his suspect pool.- Alchemist21
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I don't know how exactly he figures out who's scum, but once he has a suspect he says so and then aggressively pursues that lynch. Nobody can really steer him away from the wagon which cuts out the chance for scum interference.In post 789, Auro wrote:Specifically what?
There's an old article on the wiki by Albert B. Rampage discussing a similar thing, about focusing on scum and getting them lynched.- Alchemist21
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I don't know tbh. I don't pay as much attention to unvotes in games.In post 791, Auro wrote:
This doesn't answer my question. My question was about whether Fire actually cares about vote placement, specifically in this instance of unvoting someone he changed his mind on while figuring out a different scumread.In post 790, Alchemist21 wrote:I've said earlier that Town Firebringer does try to solve the game.- Alchemist21
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Fair enough. I am a known tunneler.In post 793, Auro wrote:Well, I'm sorry that I don't personally follow "tunneling" as a method of scumhunting?- Alchemist21
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Do you hold Comical more accountable for it? Or is there another reason you have Comical in your pool?In post 804, RCEnigma wrote:
It was a shit flash wagon. I'm not going to hold Eddie more accountable than the sheep.In post 801, OkaPoka wrote:
I mean then it sounds like Pine wagon isn't really the deciding factor of why you picked your pool, your just using it as a vehicle to push your pool? whats the real reason hereIn post 795, RCEnigma wrote:I still don't have Eddie cane related opinions. Someone else will have to figure it out.
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The way Comical joined the wagon made it obvious who Comical is and I thought you would have realized it too and had a more meta-based read.In post 809, RCEnigma wrote:It was mostly how vocal comical was about pine being scum and specifically with Clidd but not taking action until the flash wagon.
Could be town excited their scumread is getting pressure but I can also see scum motivation there as opposed to off wagon hunting slots with no take on pine one way or the other.- Alchemist21
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No. I agree with you, if there's no actual threat of a lynch then the wagon on them wouldn't really be pressure. I'm sure there's scum on the wagon too but I don't think the lynch was bad for Town tbh.In post 813, RCEnigma wrote:Am I on a different planet right now?- Alchemist21
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Neither do I but it was really obvious after that vote.In post 817, RCEnigma wrote:Oh, no I do 0 alt hunting now.- Alchemist21
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...In post 822, OkaPoka wrote:When did I argue scum is or is not on the wagon. lol wtf
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I've been thinking this too but idk what purpose that would really serve. It could just be genuine laziness.In post 841, Comical wrote:RCE is faking not knowing- Alchemist21
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Out of respect for alts in general I won't confirm or deny; I'll let Comical out themself if they so choose.In post 853, RCEnigma wrote:
Pls confirm before I make an ass of myself.In post 850, Alchemist21 wrote:
Spicy take. Can you elaborate?In post 848, RCEnigma wrote:Is it FL? If it is, that's scum.
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Aren't you interested in what's going on between RCE and Comical?
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If it involves a senzu bean I swear it didn't come from me.In post 879, Comical wrote:I wonder who’s discussing with RCE on what he should claim.- Alchemist21
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Your discussion with me and push on me feels like you just want me to stop scumreading you and not like you actually tried to sort me. You fluffed up our discussion with questions that weren’t really relevant and with everyone scumreading you, not just me, you put a lot of focus into trying to invalidate the reasons people are scumreading you.In post 1161, Auro wrote:
So your initial premise is defeated (feel free to verify my lack of major experience with Fire): can you explain your scumread on me now?In post 772, Alchemist21 wrote:If it really was just because you don't have much experience with FB, then fine I'm wrong.
And by the way my initial premise isn’t defeated because the important parts don’t require you to have experience with Firebringer. What you quoted is just my admission that I could be wrong and you’re telling the truth but I have yet to see posts from you that show me that you’re approaching this situation with a Town mindset rather than a scum one.- Alchemist21
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