mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Auro]

Hardclaim cop :3
VOTE: Pine

[Auro]

Clidd town.

[Auro]

Penguin town :3

[Auro]

Clidd also began to take the game out of RVS by calling Alch robotic, no?

[Auro]

Clidd also began to take the game out of RVS by calling Alch robotic, no?

Was your pine vote not rvs?

It was RVS; I didn't read any previous posts when I posted that.

[Auro]

Noice, RCE town too.

[Auro]

:thonk:

[Auro]

Auro can’t have a good read on rce

Who said it was a *good* read :3

[Auro]

All my reads are bad reads since I suck at mafia

[Auro]

Why yikes? That looks like a transparently town thought.

[Auro]

How is Fire's (probably) meme vote more interesting than Comical's (lol) more serious vote, or Dann's blind sheeping of it? @Clidd

[Auro]

no its not - making claims like that is kinda easy to do and makes more friends than enemies

More than the fact that he made a claim like that, the specific claim and his brazen conviction in it while also conceding that he may or may not disagree with it makes me think town.

[Auro]

Do you believe that also applies to newbies?

[Auro]

I assumed Clidd was a Newbie (somehow gut inferred off his play)

[Auro]

Lol ofc I'm not talking about Dann

[Auro]

let me just tell you that its a very frustrating thing to feel

can u sympathize with that

I think frustration manifests differently in scum and town

it can manifest in very much the same way so like this isn't a damning tell or whatever

but town frustration is almost always gonna be outwardly emotional and inconsistent

while scum frustration has a decent chance to cause the player to act *more* reserved and consistent in order to somehow fix things

dann TL, sincerity

do u agree with this?

he showed sincerity on his process, doesn't matter if i agree or not

yikes

Thought the yikes was about clidd saying that.

[Auro]

I can pocket you by posting relevant GoT GIFs.
Right, OkaPoka?

[Auro]

Dann has transparently deepwolf process

[Auro]

I think Seasons 1-4 and then parts of S6 were the great ones and the rest meh, S8 just bad

[Auro]

V/LA for a day.

[Auro]

Eddie told me to not take myself too seriously and said I'd be townread for it.

[Auro]

Earth is flat

[Auro]

Dunno, I need to get into the game. I'm happy with my Pine vote.

[Auro]

I have a scumread now
VOTE: Dannfloor


I won't provide reasons right now because I want to continue to observe Dann's play without him playing around how I'm reading him.

[Auro]

You're right in your belief - I'm not looking for a reaction from him for my vote.

[Auro]

He is pinging me but pings me as town
Why is he pinging you?

[Auro]

Walk me through the 'disjointed' part?
I actually feel he has been proactive, I've seen him lurk-coast as scum before. I don't have a baseline for his townplay but at this point this seems comfortably out of my expectations from scum!Alch.

[Auro]

Btw, Pine's been active elsewhere in the last 2 days. I've just seen him lurk his ass off in this game. Lynched him there, happy to lynch him here.

[Auro]

i want to say scum!him is more reserved in his approach but i think that is a little misleading/too simplistic. I guess the problem when I say disjointed its that not going by how i am expecting in areas but i can't quite articulate it in a better fashion because i can't even describe what i am expecting. like what are my expectations of each post should be like? Idk. I can just say his posts aren't going "yeah this sounds like how alch!town posts"

I mean this feels like a lot of words to just say "gut"
If you could try articulating how he feels off his town-game at some point I'd appreciate it - but is that feeling strong enough that you'd "gun to your head" lynch him if you had to?

[Auro]

Then let's just wagon people and see what happens

[Auro]

You can try :3

Inviting more people onboard the Danny wagon, choo choo!

[Auro]

Auro is less Auro-y than usual

You likely won't be seeing me match my White Flag play this game btw

[Auro]

Dann, did I actually say I have trouble faking fluidity as scum? While some people like the worst toneread me I think I personally am pretty good at faking fluidity/progressions.
I'm well aware of my meta of asking questions, etc - asking pointed questions and appearing gamesolvey is a prominent characteristic of my scum meta too.
I was a non-presence in Apocalypse, no? I had very little impact that game.

[Auro]

Also I think you had a fairly sizable impact on the game considering you drew a nightkill over a claimed cop

Because Pink Ball thought I would solve the game if left alive lol, not because of anything I already did by that point

[Auro]

Always gonna be /in to Voteblocs, but if Pine's going to be a prodging lurker I'm gonna kick him out of the alliance.

[Auro]

lolol

[Auro]

2 more!
quick

[Auro]

do you think scum can type this ?

Scum Dannfloor definitely can

[Auro]

absolutely not at that level of empathy

why is it hard to empathize with someone you know is town?

[Auro]

Luna, you're not an alt, right?

[Auro]

Can I guess your main :3

[Auro]

I think I've alt-hunted Luna Fox :3 :3

[Auro]

Oh no I haven't

[Auro]

[Auro]

I do tend to treat everyone as town when I talk to them usually.

[Auro]

Also, I’m trying not to use meta, but Auro is screaming scumAuro to me. Short quips, jokes, simple “to be fair” like comments.

You're not going to catch me from simple early game meta lol, I'm pretty self-aware of it
It's just that I'm trying to take things a little less seriously, I might tryhard but not now; and the last few days I've not been able to spend a lot of mental energy for mafia.

[Auro]

Huh now I'm real curious who Comical is. I'm pretty pro at alt-hunting, how come it hasn't struck me yet hmm

[Auro]

Eddie, would you consider Comical close to locktown at this point?

[Auro]

Hardclaim cop :3
VOTE: Pine

I'm the cop, so I don't need reads.

Ha! Caught you! You didn't see me claim it first

Btw shiiiiit I have a spicy guess for Comical (not Ank)

[Auro]

Pretty sure Comical dislikes me as a player lol
@Comical if that's true then I know who you are

[Auro]

Firebringer, my mind says townread you, but my gut finds that a red flag.

[Auro]

Are you good at figuring out scum :3

[Auro]

Comical is most definitely not DVa, Luna Fox isn't DVa either

[Auro]

VOTE: Clidd

[Auro]

@Auro,

since you left the wagon are you going to say why you were scumreading Dann in the first place?

No, because I haven't really -stopped- scumreading him and I'd like to affirm over a longer term

[Auro]

Ohhh lol I had the completely wrong guess for Comical.
Comical we BETTER be TvT this game

[Auro]

[Auro]

Dann's recent posting makes me slightly more confident in him being scum.

[Auro]

Comical, you're not comfortable being outed, yes? If you are, I'd like Dann to tell us who he thinks you are.

[Auro]

What do you think were my reasons for scumreading you?
Apart from opaqueness, which wasn't really a reason.

[Auro]

How come you're not participating in the Auro wagon, Fire?

[Auro]

Wasn't the alliance broken by Eddie voting me?

[Auro]

Interesting.
Do you think Comical as town doesn't make weird 180s?

[Auro]

Were you historically good at reading Comical's 180s?

Give me a crumb on who you think Comical is, maybe?

[Auro]

I don't think that's gonna help you read me

Why so? My assessment of whether your Comical read is made-up or not will heavily depend on who you think he is.

[Auro]

I mean, they're either faked or genuine - what would "extensively faked" mean?
I'll case and effort if I'm put to L-1

[Auro]

We both know you're pretty capable of faking genuineness (lol) so of course I'd be looking at more specific things like the reasoning itself / timing of posts or votes.
I have a very mildly confident mental model of some things I'd expect scum!you to be doing this game.

[Auro]

Oh, I'd happily policy lynch Pine since I've only ever seen him lurk - and harder as scum.

[Auro]

VOTE: Pine

[Auro]

Quicklynch! Quicklynch!

[Auro]

Ohhh lol I had the completely wrong guess for Comical.
Comical we BETTER be TvT this game

It's been 3.5 days since Pine posted and he's been active elsewhere on site in the meantime.

[Auro]

Also Pine's partners could be :3

[Auro]

^_^

[Auro]

Guys everyone fast night OK?

[Auro]

i also dont think eddie's no reads take is a hottake because i truly believe that nothing said so far is actually AI unless you tinfoil it a bit

yeah and Dann is bending over his back to explain reads on people, scummy

[Auro]

Is it a real one?

[Auro]

That was a beautiful wagon.

[Auro]

Lol

[Auro]

[Auro]

Same, I was tempted but hesitant to join and then Fire convinced me to.

[Auro]

okay guys i get it you wouldnt kill firebringer here

penguin where ur reads at

Feel like we could actually PoE out some slots from that reasoning actually, for starters.

[Auro]

Hm

[Auro]

Yup. I also like pineapples on pizza. :3

[Auro]

Does Fire have a good read rate on anyone in this plist?

[Auro]

@Penguin: So you'll kill me N2?
@Oka: Yeah, but X could know Fire has a good read rate on Y

[Auro]

If I told you Firebringer was really good at reading penguinpower what are you going to do with that info

Assign PenguinPower scum equity for the NK?

[Auro]

If I felt like it

[Auro]

I think this is a good place to start.

Reasons?

[Auro]

VOTE: Alchemist34

[Auro]

Interesting that you'd rather just vote me directly instead of seeing where I would "lead" town to first.

[Auro]

And as town who thinks the Fire NKA is a good lead, what do you think I would do, Alchie?

[Auro]

I think this is a good place to start.

Pings scummy, also

Interesting that you'd rather just vote me directly instead of seeing where I would "lead" town to first.

[Auro]

Cause the reason behind your scumread would stay the same, but with more content from me that either affirms I'm trying to direct town to a lynch, or that I'm actually considering it

[Auro]

why werent u fighting me like this auro

A naked vote was fine, but Alch's justification of his vote was bad

[Auro]

I think you'd just go ahead and give the conclusion of your own personal analysis

I did give one conclusion from personal analysis: that we could weakly PoE players who Fire specifically dragged to play, since I don't think they would kill him N1
What personal analysis can I make of who Fire has good reads on?
What other personal analysis can I make? I looked at the ISO loosely already; there's nothing much there.
And even then, why would the question above be a bad starting point?

[Auro]

What personal analysis can I make of who Fire has good reads on?

Without knowing that information myself* btw, I don't really have much experience with Fire at all.

[Auro]

Don't think the Pine wagon matters too much for reasons Okapoka already stated; no one was actually expecting Comical/Eddie Cane to yolo hammer there
Wagon analysis is sort of moot

[Auro]

that wagon is better resolved

Explain.

[Auro]

You're really going to go for "this is a scum-driven wagon" etc logic for the Pine wagon?

[Auro]

At least he didn't exclude Comical from his vote pool too

[Auro]

It's not really true that there's nothing there in Fire's ISO. There's scumreads on you

Have you read the ISO right now to verify that?
If you haven't, read it again - do you stick by this?

[Auro]

it's you trying to see other's in a way that I think is highly open to manipulation.

Which method of analyzing other players is not highly open to manipulation?

[Auro]

Can you summarize Fire's scumread on me?

[Auro]

i like ur brain, can i steal it?

VOTE: dannyboi

Spicey take:

Eddie Cane, Luna Fox, and Penguinpower are the scumteam.

i am weary of alchie alliance rn, or pine.....

i am fine with the other 2 right now.

Alchemist, do you believe these posts (and his voting Pine alongside me) are consistent with a belief that I'm scum?

[Auro]

The kind that doesn't give scum the chance to form good-sounding answers that Town wants to hear.

Sure, name a specific example of such a method.

[Auro]

Same, I was tempted but hesitant to join and then Fire convinced me to.

I think if Alch was genuinely solving to arrive at my scumread, the quoted posts would be a primary reason - that I'm trying to lead town on a discussion that specifically leads

away from me

.

[Auro]

How much experience do you have with Fire?
Does the reasoning in his early "scumread" on me strike as concrete to you?

Do you believe town!Fire cares about where his vote is while he's playing the game?
Do you believe town in general would care much about where their vote is?

[Auro]

RCE is likely scum.

Even if so, trying to dismantle my 1v1 with Alch implies he's likely partners with him.

[Auro]

The kind RC uses. This is getting sidetracked away from the original point.

Specifically what?
Feel free to engage on the original point also, we can have space for more than one conversation at a time

[Auro]

I've said earlier that Town Firebringer does try to solve the game.

This doesn't answer my question. My question was about whether Fire actually cares about vote placement, specifically in this instance of unvoting someone he changed his mind on while figuring out a different scumread.

[Auro]

Well, I'm sorry that I don't personally follow "tunneling" as a method of scumhunting?

[Auro]

Mathematically there is scum on the wagon. Outside of that I can't make assumptions. Could be two, could be three. Who knows.

Always love math discussions

clidd
Firebringer
PenguinPower
Eddie Cane
OkaPoka
Pine
Luna Fox

I've taken the first 7 names on the playerlist.
Mathematically, is there scum in these 7 names?
What's the difference between this, and Pine's lynch wagon?

[Auro]

A lot of engagement left but I also need to force myself to sleep (It's 2AM here) so see y'all.

[Auro]

Hmm.

[Auro]

You should pick a better X next time.

Imagine a 13 player game lasting more than 6 nights.

Luna Fox - PP don’t seem very likely to me, and I do like PP’s crumb, which seems townie.

VOTE: Luna Fox

If you're really gonna push this then you better bring out the big guns.
VOTE: Comical

Luna, if your vote on him was OMGUS, can you explain 967? It's like you scumread him by then already.

[Auro]

VOTE: Luna Fox
Sorry for hammering Luna
Hope you're scum

[Auro]

Something something, trying to emulate town meta?
Interesting Eddie didn't go for it

[Auro]

I think Auro is more likely to be town now, for the record.

How so?

[Auro]

So you did think he was town faking 6-shot?

[Auro]

UNVOTE:
Not interested in Luna rn

[Auro]

Y'all aren't interested in my claim?

[Auro]

I'll claim at L-1 with intent, per usual.

[Auro]

Stealing pagetop too.

[Auro]

Oka, why not Alch?

[Auro]

I think I'm willing to be BoP'd on Alchemist.

[Auro]

hammer

Being mad at me for shitty fakehammer = +town
VOTE: Clidd
Sure, I sheep for now

[Auro]

Oka strongly town.

[Auro]

Inb4 "Auro told Luna how to react to the fakehammer so he could say he's townreading her"

[Auro]

Fire's already dead.

[Auro]

If I haven't asked yet, Dann - what makes me more likely town to you?

[Auro]

Inb4 "Auro spam flail"

[Auro]

Luna, help find scum - we're 8v3

[Auro]

Boon bad reasoning
Out of curiosity, which of my questions do you think are bad? Do you think I generally ask "good" questions as town?

[Auro]

@Boon: Wanna help me bus my buddy Alch?

[Auro]

You said my questions were fluff and pointless - I'm curious as to which.
Have I expressed offense at being scumread though?

[Auro]

Guess you're talking about Luna

[Auro]

Auro/Alch I cant fully town read here, but definitely leaning that way.

If I'm soo obvscum and playing scum on surface level, and you felt that way yesterday, why'd you say this?

[Auro]

How about tabletop simulator.

I have TTS!! I can join

[Auro]

he was asking a lot of fluff pointless questions,

Specifically this - I promise I won't contest you on them right now, I just want to see your thoughts.

[Auro]

Sure - discuss reasons for Alchemist town, Okapoka scum, Auro scum with me.
Why are you finding it hard to read Clidd?

[Auro]

Comical (Mechanical)
RCE (Mechanical)

Can you explain how Mechanical -> Good?

[Auro]

We should've killed Eddie Cane last night

[Auro]

Whoops!

[Auro]

Seriously, though - Eddie, I'll need you to play the game if I'm the lynch today.

[Auro]

I din't like you trying to POE people who played with fire

1.What do you make of people offering the same reasoning as defense when pushed? ("Fire LITERALLY invited me to play, I can't have done the NK") etc.
2. Why is it more likely to be

scum manipulating reasoning

than

town taking a starting point

?
3. The metric that scum would want to go for "easy lines of reasoning" to arrive at scumreads seems more applicable to newbies and far less to experienced scum players - would you agree?

If it really was just because you don't have much experience with FB, then fine I'm wrong.

Alch concedes here that my questioning could indeed be genuine if I don't have experience with FB - and this can be easily verified to be true.
In the few games I have been with Firebringer in, we've had minimal interaction. So,
4. What do you make of this?
5. How do you believe RCE v Comical will sort themselves out? They're both gunsmiths and will get positive results on each other.

Both of you ignore that I was PoE'ing

myself

based on that reasoning (which as unbiased town I would find scummy, on a surface level at least).

[Auro]

Yah but I want the satisfaction of having sorted you.

[Auro]

@RCEnigma - we should both target Auro tonight.

I'll locktown Comical for this. :3

[Auro]

They shouldn't, but Comical's locktown for proposing that.

[Auro]

1. No, I mean whether they're scummy for doing that.
2. Do you believe that of NKA in general, or only in this context?
3. What's the "second half"? As in you think this tell applies well to experienced scum players also?
4. So you agree with Alch on his push on me, but when he concedes he could be wrong if I actually don't have experience with Fire, it's a "vapid point" and you disagree. Am I correct?


Re: PoE thing, yes - as a means of diverting attention away from myself.
Making up reasons to scumread people is unnecessary at that point and I can conjure a lot of them through the game, so scum motivation would be slightly clearer if I was just trying to lead town "not on me" by starting with that.

[Auro]

From my mind:

{Comical}
{OkaPoka, Luna}
{Penguin, Dannfloor}
{Clidd}
--Null--
{RCEnigma, Eddie Cane}
{Alchemist, iDanyBoi}

[Auro]

Purely individual equities and I don't think all scum are below the null line, still waiting to complete engagement on some slots etc. -> Alchemist and Comical are both strong reads.

[Auro]

I think Auro is more likely to be town now, for the record.

Not like your ISO is that big - so?
Luna Fox read drops.
Clidd read outdated.

[Auro]

Oh you mean you being towny for me - note that you're not a strong tier of townread. You get weak townread merely from recognising me being town, I could totes be wrong about you given your relative lack of engagement with the game.

[Auro]

Nothing about Auro’s reaction to my push on him has made me feel better about him.

Well, my reaction to your push was a tunnel on you I'm not really moving off of, which seems like an approved method of scumhunting from you, so

[Auro]

It's mildly frustrating that Comical didn't check me last night - considering Boon himself gets paranoid of me a lot, and I seem to get pushed on bad reasoning merely because I have more content and it's easier to find reasons to scumread me (woo, WF all over again!). Sigh.

[Auro]

If it really was just because you don't have much experience with FB, then fine I'm wrong.

So your initial premise is defeated (feel free to verify my lack of major experience with Fire): can you explain your scumread on me now?

[Auro]

I had Auro as lock town very early in WF. I think he is scum here.

Okay - is this a serious read?
Would you BoP yourself on this read?
Explain your process of reading me.

if auro is scum and is trying to buddy me ill just sit here and do nothing

If

I'm scum... listing you as a townread is "buddying" you?
This is lazy play, OkaPoka. A lot of people seem to be sitting here doing nothing; I expected more from this playerlist.

Your discussion with me and push on me feels like you just want me to stop scumreading you and not like you actually tried to sort me. You fluffed up our discussion with questions that weren’t really relevant and with everyone scumreading you, not just me,

you put a lot of focus into trying to invalidate the reasons people are scumreading you

.

And by the way my initial premise isn’t defeated because the important parts don’t require you to have experience with Firebringer. What you quoted is just my admission that I could be wrong and you’re telling the truth but I have yet to see posts from you that show me that you’re approaching this situation with a Town mindset rather than a scum one.

Spoiler:

The point I am making is that there is a right way to ask about suspicion on yourself, and just asking and getting ammo on how to fix it and be town read is not the way to do it. That is why I am scum reading Auro. All of the mentality stuff I am reading in Auro's posts reads to me as working out how to be town read not how to convince others of their own reads to work with others. This isn't even town ego either which I would admit is probably townie despite being a shithouse way to play the game that I am a hypocrite for calling out.

The entirety of my reasoning is

Auro cares more about being town read than finding scum

.

Personally the major reason for my scumread on you is becoming

the focus on defense

, the "you CAN'T scumread me for X!" mindset that reminds me of

scum caught for the wrong reason

I think my main problem with Auro at this point is that the way he responds to pressure tends to give me "

caught for the wrong reasons

" vibes.

Because when you dont get an answer you like in here you make us appeal to our teammates. Its like when you get a no from mom and you go to dad knowing he is going to say yes.

We are the ones playing this game. We are the ones who have read every post and know all the nuances of the slots relationships.

You're asking us to reach out to a disinterested to semi-interested partner who hasnt read everything and is going to have a lower starting base of knowledge

in hopes that they tr you and can call us off you

.

Spoilered is a collection of quotes from different people regarding my play from a specific game. Guess my alignment.
Then, think about whether the behaviour in question (my "self-defense") is different from that game.
Yes, I do focus on debating reasons people scumread me for. I search for legitimacy in their pushes. I use that to decide if the person is making stuff up, or is honestly scumreading me. Additionally, I reason with them to move off me so they can follow me on my own scumreads.
This is my town mindset and I've established that

as town

in previous games - do you believe it's anti-town? If so, we can have a discussion about that.
Otherwise, this specific behaviour is NAI; I look forward to your re-evaluation. Otherwise, answer this - how do you differentiate between town!Auro trying to sort a made-up read by debating it, versus scum!Auro trying to get people off, etc?
Which question(s) of mine specifically were irrelevant? I can easily show you how every answer of yours helped in the sorting process.

[Auro]

I would propose that unless you have strong reasons for scumreading me, I'm a bad lynch this game almost exclusively because I'm being active and engaging.
I happily encourage cop checks on me tonight.
No, this is not a case of "scum who's trying to delay their lynch and wants to prevent the cops from figuring out their partners".

[Auro]

Huh, wasn't expecting that.
Thoughts on Dann, Luna?

[Auro]

What gave you town pings in that game?

[Auro]

So I just don't "feel" town, and it's a mild read.
You don't have *any* stronger scumreads this game?
Why is it not a better idea to have a cop check me tonight?

[Auro]

You don't think the game would be slightly more interesting (from a solving perspective at least) keeping me alive?
Weird that you'd rather keep around slots that aren't doing anything instead, don't ya think?

Interesting. I'll review the Normal guidelines to see if that possibility can be eliminated.

[Auro]

Also, I think having Comical as the townier of the gunsmiths is absurd. Especially with him being your top town and RCE being a scum lean.

I think it's pretty clear I have experience with Comical. In fact, I've recently (correctly) lock-towned Comical as town almost immediately after repping in midway.
It's absurd that you haven't accounted for this possibility, let alone recognize that I have meta.
And interesting you didn't prod me further on reasons I'm townreading Comical.

BTW, I reviewed RCE a couple hours ago and bumped him up to above null.

AURO DO YOU PROMISE WE CAN RESOLVE THIS IF YOU PROMISE YOU ARE NOT DOCTOR

I promise - now what?

[Auro]

The game would probably be more interesting with you alive. But lack of effort is a site meta problem, unless you want to case that its AI for any of the many people in this game doing it?

Yes.
Cross-game-activity tells.

[Auro]

Oh well, this does fall under those guidelines.
I invite a rolecop to check me if that's the case

[Auro]

I'm thinking Luna. Her reaction to fakehammer was towny but then I noticed this tell.

I misread cult!RCE as town just recently in a game where I was trying to lynch cult.
I'm hard-townreading Boon from his unawareness of Cop (heavy doubt he'd fake), his progression on me ending at {let's check Auro} which is sort of unnecessary as scum, his inconsistency in reading me, and consistency between his claim and play.

Besides, you didn't even account for the possibility that I was stating a lock read on Comical to see how he would react. tsk tsk

[Auro]

They'd have a scum PT. After seeing you claim, you don't think they'd discuss killing you over it at night?
Like an entire scumteam of 3 would have to realize there's no cop in the setup.

[Auro]

From my mind:

{Comical}
{OkaPoka, Luna}
{Penguin, Dannfloor}
{Clidd}
--Null--
{RCEnigma, Eddie Cane}
{Alchemist, iDanyBoi}

{Comical}
{OkaPoka, RCEnigma}
{Penguin, Clidd, iDanyBoi}
--Null--
{Alchemist}


{Dannfloor, Eddie Cane}

[Auro]

Damn i vanished from the reads list, i have achieved ascendance.

Oh you were supposed to be with Alchemist. Lol. Bad pastes

wow i thought my stock with you would tank but here we are i guess

So is my buddying you working?

[Auro]

It's almost like im actively trying to get scumread!

Multiple slots are lurking.

[Auro]

i am very easily buddied but also im a terrible person to buddy because i dont save my townreads

Damnit, should have known that. Sigh.

[Auro]

You can, at night.

[Auro]

ITS NOT LIKE HES GONE FROM SITE

Damn. Should bump him down as well too.

[Auro]

They'd have a scum PT. After seeing you claim, you don't think they'd discuss killing you over it at night?
Like an entire scumteam of 3 would have to realize there's no cop in the setup.

This is actually terrible.

Sure - explain why so.

[Auro]

I mean, you're doing exactly what I said you would, by me doing exactly what I said I would.

So you're happy?

[Auro]

I feel the opposite lol, posting more gives more reasons for people to scumread you for

[Auro]

Luna, if you're not going to play the game and you're town, why not just replace out?

[Auro]

r u sad that eddie cane scumreads you

Not at all.

[Auro]

Oka, thoughts on Dannfloor?

[Auro]

i get it dann u wouldnt let fire die

This? Or have I missed it

[Auro]

should we all just BoP eddie

Think he should be vigged if there's an even night vig or something, heh.

Oh why do you believe they're unaligned?

[Auro]

i just feel like some stuff in dann's iso didn't look like bussing with eddie but either a strategic attempt at taking down a future threat or genuine ( i lean towards genuine)

and i just am independently suspicious of eddie for a multitude of reasons but don't think he should die today

but idk

maybe its t and t

I can see both rolling scum and deciding to go for a coast-y strategy. I'll review Dann's ISO for the Eddie parts.

well luna who do you see as scummy then

Penguin.

How so?

[Auro]

I'll review Dann's ISO for the Eddie parts.

Luna Fox wrote:

Which part felt genuine? He settled on something along "idk really" at the end of his Eddie progression.
I fully believe they would push each other without real conviction early game as a scumteam.

explain? penguin could blindside me because i like reading his posts soo i might not see what yo usee

There's also that Penguin's claimed FV and he'd have to have killed his target - dunno what to make of this

i guess dann scum and eddie town doesn't make sense

Why?

[Auro]

Would he pew pew Eddie town who isn't playing the game though?
Yeah can get behind that reasoning nonetheless

[Auro]

Hi, sorry, I've been disassociated from this game pretty heavily. Not from lack of time, just from general inability to focus because of RL which... yeah.

Feel like Dann has been unimpressive, but it also makes sense that he can't focus because of RL and that's why he comes off like that.

[Auro]

If there's anything going on RL I hope it gets better Dann!

[Auro]

i guess dann scum and eddie town doesn't make sense

why? i haven't town read dann

Do you agree that it's likely Dann would kill you N1?

[Auro]

Pot calling kettle black?

[Auro]

I lolhammered my second favorite person in this game

You tell me.

[Auro]

In your case I think it points to you being scum

[Auro]

if I roll scum with EC I'm efforting

Hard to believe when you didn't effort after rolling scum with Ankamius/Pink Ball/Flavor Leaf in Apocalypse, Dann.

[Auro]

With Popsofctown - and you didn't effort while they were there as well IIRC

[Auro]

If Dann Eddie is the scum team we kill a rando, not fire. Move on.

iDanyBoi, would you agree with this?

[Auro]

Now I'm just daydreaming about having rolled mafia this game, and getting the easiest win of my life. Would have been nice. Ah, could have been with Dann. We'd have mislynched Pine day 1 and got away with lolhammering. Shoot RCE for being obvious PR. Open wolf for the full game. Alas.

It feels like this

is

what you were trying to do and slip by lol, apart from the RCE PR stuff

[Auro]

Shoot RCE for being obvious PR

What in his D1 play made him obvious PR?

[Auro]

I was exaggerating my scumread at that point.
I think your RL reasons could affect those reasons, yeah, but not to a major extent.

You bounced to weak town tier for recognizing me town, and then that vanished when you said "unsure".
That feels like a scummy position to take, rather than advocate that I not be lynched today.

[Auro]

I think this is mildly towny? Alchemist put a lot of effort into this push and it seems like odd timing to drop it right here. Even if he sensed Auro's defense as being effective, as scum I'd expect him to disappear for a little bit and see if the wagon still gains traction or not before backing up like this.

But there's also the fact that I was hard-pushing him.
You can't imagine scum backing off in that context?

[Auro]

I think you would, considering my play is pro-town in the same sense as it was as WF and the reasons people were pushing me were similar to WF too, which you called out there but not here.
I think you'd hunt for alternatives.

[Auro]

It's scummy but I'm not going to make up a read when I don't have one.

And yes, I imagine Alchemist backing off as I explained, I don't imagine him unvoting right at that timing.

If he wasn't backing off, he'd have to answer my questions.
He'd have to make up other reasons to scumread me.
Sure one alternative is to lurk, but I don't see that as more likely than just cutting engagement then by unvoting.

I also don't know that you have enough clout behind you this game for your hard push to be super threatening.

Current clout ≠ Potential clout

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Which push of mine seemed pedantic?