mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[clidd]

good for you

VOTE: okapoka

[clidd]

sucks, low money, shit job

[clidd]

sucks, low money, shit job

Dancing will make you feel better.

winning will make me feel better

[clidd]

hey penguin

did you play cheeky's game with me ?

[clidd]

Brass & Shrapnel?

Yep.

your posts are outside of what i see from scum!penguim there

town feels on you

[clidd]

If you ain't first you're last.

i don't like this guy, seems a robot on his reactions

[clidd]

If you ain't first you're last.

i don't like this guy, seems a robot on his reactions

Is it because I already called you scum on Page 1?

yes, and your posts don't have an expressive reaction too

[clidd]

robocop

[clidd]

at least two voting me are scum

[clidd]

at least two voting me are scum

at least two of alchemist, pine, dann, and penguin are scum?

maybe alchemist is bad town, but the way these votes happened suggests two scum voting

that's my deduction

[clidd]

extra scum joining

[clidd]

wise man

[clidd]

im selecting the lynch tomorrow

[clidd]

VOTE: clidd

this, third vote --> safe vote

LYNCH THIS GUY

[clidd]

Why do something tomorrow when you can do it today?

VOTE: Pine

comical second scum, any normal town wouldn't change his vote on me

[clidd]

Pine + Comical --> hard buss

[clidd]

Why do something tomorrow when you can do it today?

VOTE: Pine

comical second scum, any normal town wouldn't change his vote on me

Foolish of you to assume that I am what they call a normal town.

I also didn't vote you in the first place, so what do you mean by change their vote?

why would you vote pine ?

1. you are trying to gain towncred because you know i will flip town

2. you didn't explain why are you sheeping me

3. if we change to Pine, and he's your partner, it would be a hard buss to gain towncred by doing it

4. im a easy misslynch later, which is also a reason why you are trying to keep me alive

[clidd]

nice dodge

[clidd]

VOTE: Comical

this is scum

[clidd]

she completely deviate from my question and acted cynically

she has no reason do that as town

[clidd]

to do that*

[clidd]

Why do something tomorrow when you can do it today?

VOTE: Pine

comical second scum, any normal town wouldn't change his vote on me

Foolish of you to assume that I am what they call a normal town.

I also didn't vote you in the first place, so what do you mean by change their vote?

why would you vote pine ?

1. you are trying to gain towncred because you know i will flip town

2. you didn't explain why are you sheeping me

3. if we change to Pine, and he's your partner, it would be a hard buss to gain towncred by doing it

4. im a easy misslynch later, which is also a reason why you are trying to keep me alive

and these reasons

[clidd]

i still scumread him, but Comical is almost confirmed scum

[clidd]

it was opportunistic for her to incite the vote on pine when I was L-2, because if I was lynched, she would say later that she had a TL ~ TR on me and would escape from suspicious for not being in my wagon

[clidd]

nice dodge

Darling, it's not a dodge at all. I'm just town, and you're flailing.

your entire post screams LIAR

if you were truly town, you wouldn't have voted for pine with me almost getting lynched just to get towncred once I died

you could also have tried to argue why i was town in your pov, but you didn't. you didn't care if i was going to get lynched or not

besides being a liar you are superficial in your motivations

[clidd]

i insist we lynch comical

it was very explicit what she tried to do there

she flips scum=Pine scum

[clidd]

let me just tell you that its a very frustrating thing to feel

can u sympathize with that

I think frustration manifests differently in scum and town

it can manifest in very much the same way so like this isn't a damning tell or whatever

but town frustration is almost always gonna be outwardly emotional and inconsistent

while scum frustration has a decent chance to cause the player to act *more* reserved and consistent in order to somehow fix things

dann TL, sincerity

[clidd]

i insist we lynch comical

it was very explicit what she tried to do there

she flips scum=Pine scum

clidd what does it tell you that no one else really seems to be seeing what you're seeing

ok, explain why

[clidd]

let me just tell you that its a very frustrating thing to feel

can u sympathize with that

I think frustration manifests differently in scum and town

it can manifest in very much the same way so like this isn't a damning tell or whatever

but town frustration is almost always gonna be outwardly emotional and inconsistent

while scum frustration has a decent chance to cause the player to act *more* reserved and consistent in order to somehow fix things

dann TL, sincerity

do u agree with this?

he showed sincerity on his process, doesn't matter if i agree or not

[clidd]

:thonk:

Confess ur sins before the gods!!!

why are you voting auro ?

[clidd]

i insist we lynch comical

it was very explicit what she tried to do there

she flips scum=Pine scum

clidd what does it tell you that no one else really seems to be seeing what you're seeing

ok, explain why

no what

I'm asking you what nobody else listening to you here means for your reads

does that make you more/less confident?

but i still right in my reasons, she acted very scummy there

if no one hears me, i'll be struggling here with a wasted vote

I need to at least understand why you're townreading her

[clidd]

I assumed Clidd was a Newbie (somehow gut inferred off his play)

??

i'm not newbie, i have played mafia before (ToS)

[clidd]

Why do something tomorrow when you can do it today?

VOTE: Pine

comical second scum, any normal town wouldn't change his vote on me

Foolish of you to assume that I am what they call a normal town.

I also didn't vote you in the first place, so what do you mean by change their vote?

why would you vote pine ?

1. you are trying to gain towncred because you know i will flip town

2. you didn't explain why are you sheeping me

3. if we change to Pine, and he's your partner, it would be a hard buss to gain towncred by doing it

4. im a easy misslynch later, which is also a reason why you are trying to keep me alive

I think you need to be a little less worried about why I'm voting Pine, and a little more worried

why you aren't voting Pine

while saying he's hard scum.

my biggest problem with her is this answer

her reaction wasn't genuine, but deflective. she didn't try to refute anything but to lower my moral credibility by mentioning about my vote, which at the time I had forgotten

attacking an element indifferent to what was being argued, to take attention away from my questions and avoid having to answer them, while drawing attention to me

At the present, I think it's incredibly likely that you are actually

bussing Pine

here

not to mention this biased theory, where she tried to explain why I had directed the vote at her, instead of Pine

the obvious conclusion was that she was a much stronger SR to me than Pine, but she was unable to reason it out, because she preferred the most convenient explanation

it is not because I am going to be lynched that I will want to board any available wagon to save myself

Wow, interesting. Everyone is starting to town read Clidd from that scenario.

Let that be remembered

right now. I'm not saying I'm fully correct by any means, it's page 6, but that is something to be noted.

here she tries to convey a future sensation, as if I will survive the game for a long time. it looks like a preparation for a lynch on me later on.

i insist we lynch comical

it was very explicit what she tried to do there

she flips scum=Pine scum

clidd what does it tell you that no one else really seems to be seeing what you're seeing

I’m pretty sure I just had their number and

Clidd is playing up what’s getting them townread

.

again, she attacks the act rather than arguing the reasons why it occurred. so far she hasn't answered the questions I asked back there.

this comes from a totally deflective mentality, which emphasizes the problem rather than the solution.

anyways, i won't be insisting on this lynch anymore, but I want everyone to be aware of these points

[clidd]

comical dodging my questions:

[clidd]

comical i read your post 376 and i am in doubt about your motivation to vote Pine so fast at the time i mentioned it. afterwards you fixed in your head that the fact that I voted for you evidenced a possible partnership between me and Pine, although I thought you were much more scummy than him.

i want you to briefly explain why you decided to try a counterwagon when I was almost lynched, and what did you see in me to justify that

[clidd]

dann and chemist are my strongest townreads at the moment

[clidd]

dann and chemist are my strongest townreads at the moment

VOTE: Dannflor

???

[clidd]

let me just tell you that its a very frustrating thing to feel

can u sympathize with that

I think frustration manifests differently in scum and town

it can manifest in very much the same way so like this isn't a damning tell or whatever

but town frustration is almost always gonna be outwardly emotional and inconsistent

while scum frustration has a decent chance to cause the player to act *more* reserved and consistent in order to somehow fix things

do you think scum can type this ?

[clidd]

like idk

I'd like to think scum normally goes back to actually check who was voting them

while town can very easily get flustered/indignant and think the whole world is out to get them when pressured early for seemingly no reason

It's not outside of any scum meta and I don't have experience with clidd, but it just strikes me as a lot less careful than scum under pressure should be prone to be

and this

[clidd]

There's a wagon building up on dann and all you come here is say that he's one of your strongest townreads.

this is a stupid wagon, his analyzes are transparent

[clidd]

There's a wagon building up on dann and all you come here is say that he's one of your strongest townreads.

this is a stupid wagon, his analyzes are transparent

[clidd]

do you think scum can type this ?

Scum Dannfloor definitely can

absolutely not at that level of empathy

[clidd]

More importantly, what makes you think scum CAN'T make those posts?

the question would be the opposite: WHY are you scumreading him ?

it seems you are just following blindly the wagon

[clidd]

More importantly, what makes you think scum CAN'T make those posts?

the question would be the opposite: WHY are you scumreading him ?

it seems you are just following blindly the wagon

Because you randomly pop in to mention a townread on a person getting wagoned and didnt bother to mention why at the time.

This is an escape from my question.

if you are voting for someone it is YOU who should give the reasons, cynicism and ignorance won't help you

[clidd]

absolutely not at that level of empathy

why is it hard to empathize with someone you know is town?

I don't see scum easily emulating this process, especially because there are more advantageous instances, like not trying to imagine more than one scenario in his context

the fact that he was thoughtful shows that he was really in doubt, making it explicit that he has no additional information

[clidd]

Regardless of what you think of my methods.
They were pretty effective in getting you to out your reasons for townreading dann.
So, they are... in fact working.

your "methods" are pure trash, honestly

[clidd]

clidd why are you spending time on protecting dann over killing comical

1 he's my strongest TR
2 everyone is ignoring my reads and impressions
3 it is difficult to lynch her (which to me is potentially scum indicative)

[clidd]

and the way these votes escalated gives me the impression of active scums

which also brings two other impressions:

* Pine used as a bait by Comical, and being afk for personal reasons (because he's afk and can't be scum according to that)
* eloquent partner among players

[clidd]

He’s still pushing me as being scum with Pine, but I haven’t even unvoted Pine.

If that’s the case, call my bluff and kill him then.

To be fair, I don’t think I actually think Pine-Clidd is the team, and I am more leaning towards Clidd being scum because he’s derp tunneling, and not in a townie way.

as long as you're lynched tomorrow, I have no problem with that

I gave you the opportunity to talk to me, but your arrogant and cynical tone irritates me

i don't care what you think is towny or not, scum has no right to have an opinion

[clidd]

i didn't follow that disgusting game

mod forcibly replaced me

[clidd]

dann and chemist are my strongest townreads at the moment

i like how 90% of the players didn't pay attention to my posts

i told here who was my second tr

[clidd]

clidd you are coming off as very angry

is that your intention

I'm not even close to being angry

anger is what I went through in that game. I was forced to be replaced because the players didn't like me

[clidd]

Why do you town read him?

I'm unclear how you went from "robot" to "bad town" to second strongest town read

his analyzes seemed to me genuine

just like yours

[clidd]

Here's where I'm at with you two:

The way Clidd went from calling for Pine's lynch to voting you for voting Pine does look like it was premeditated, and trying to accuse a Town player of being scum who's going for Towncred is a move I've personally tried to do as scum before, but if he thinks scum would want to side with a mislynch for Towncred it does make sense that he would try to bait scum into doing it. On the other side, it did look odd when Clidd called for Pine's lynch and didn't vote him and it was a good callout from Comical, especially if you think it's scum distancing from a partner but afraid of an actual backlash wagon on their partner. Comic's vote on Pine came off as a "put your money where your mouth is" move to me to see if Clidd would actually vote Pine and instead got Clidd voting them instead.

I've toyed with the different combinations of alignments for you in my head and the scenario that makes the most sense to me is that they're both Town who tried to trap scum and now think each other is caught scum while both are forgetting about Pine, which I do think is a slot that needs more attention.

Look this

[clidd]

lol but also on the flip we have alchemist who says hes the real scum of comical v clidd but the dude has three posts that arent walls or anyhting crazy like that

I think Clidd was kinda right that Pine's vote on him was weak, and Pine's overall entrance was weak. Additionally, if I drew 3 names from the 12 of you the odds that at least one of the names were scum is ~60%, and I know 3 slots interacting isn't exactly random but I think it's still a good way to look at it and I'm thinking both Clidd and Comical are Town. It's not like I'm 100% sure on Pine being scum but I think it's a good vote.

and this

his read on comical is wrong, but the process he used to imagine so many scenarios seemed like an effort to try to solve the game and also genuine

[clidd]

im not refusing to cooperate, my intention is also to help resolve the game, but I believe I am on the right track about Comical and I would like more people to recognize this

[clidd]

Yes, but Clidd, assuming you’re correct based on a page 6 read is insanely ignorant, and post game, if you are town, you should really take consideration in seeing the weaknesses in your play, in addition to learning how even if you think someone is scum, you still need to be able to work with said player in the case you are wrong, which you are here.

i'm looking to improve, but my difficulty in this game was the fact that i am being actively ignored by most players

i would understand better if someone talked to me and explained why my logical sequence about you being scum is incorrect, so that we can arrive at a better conclusion

but what i saw was "you're wrong and you're scummy" without an argumentative context for me to try to understand

i am not ignorant to the point of considering myself the owner of reason, but i believe that my opinions should be discussed with more seriousness and not with ignorance. part of the reason why I was forcibly replaced from my past game (which I was also town), was precisely because of the same process of neglect with my opinions. ok, i was toxic there, I was wrong, but basically nobody proposed to talk to me about it in that match, and i would behave better if i were at least considered to be a player of significant importance in the game.

[clidd]

anyway, i need time to think . i am discouraged from reading all the last pages, but eventually i will.

the way she approached me now was in a better tone, without that arrogant and cynical persona that I was perceiving earlier

i'm probably wrong about her being lockscm

UNVOTE: comical