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[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Paragon

Gutread. Disagree with most of his takes (please don't ask me to go find them).

[iDanyboy]

I don’t think that’s going against the grain. I don’t like 18 either ambivalent about 23.

[iDanyboy]

Oof

[iDanyboy]

Hmm, is that a crumb, Allomancer? Wouldn't it be more sensible to claim that outright?

VOTE: Allomancer

what town-motivation could there possibly be behind pointing out a potential crumb??? smells fishy to me, paragon

Why note vote then. VOTE: Morning Tweet

Morning Tweet/Paragon.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: iDanyboy

Why move your vote off me? Trying to establish two early town wagons?

To put some pressure on MT, I don't like that his not willing to vote you.

[iDanyboy]

Hmm, is that a crumb, Allomancer? Wouldn't it be more sensible to claim that outright?

VOTE: Allomancer

what town-motivation could there possibly be behind pointing out a potential crumb??? smells fishy to me, paragon

Why note vote then. VOTE: Morning Tweet

Morning Tweet/Paragon.

so im too scared to vote my partner on the 2nd page, but not scared to say something about him is fishy?

surely pointing out a potentially scummy action is more of a commitment

This actions is possibly scummy sure is a commitment.

Mod note: Edited tags in order to fix broken post

[iDanyboy]

I don't know how I botched that one up.

[iDanyboy]

Paragon, Allomancer - lean town
CatScratch, mav - undecided
iDany, bob - lean scum

paragon 39 felt like a town reaction to me + i like the way the miller crumb interaction played out

dany is forcing voting me a lil, i dont buy his reasoningggg but it could be town struggling to find something to say

I'm not forcing anything. You said you found someone scummy with out a vote, then said your comment is stronger than a vote, but now you town read him for the same interaction which you called fishy.

[iDanyboy]

Don't like gerain's entrance, Cat is good, don't like the Bob wagon.

[iDanyboy]

I don’t understand how I was being overly defensive when I was pushing other people. I don’t enjoy RVS so I try to get out of it as early as possible.

[iDanyboy]

my votes in a good spot

where you at bby girl

Why, what has he done?

[iDanyboy]

I don't like the bob post MT tunnel, I don't feel like MT has changed what he has been saying, so his latest post doesn't make much sense to me.

[iDanyboy]

Anyone want to give a quick breakdown of there skellen read?

[iDanyboy]

I don't think that it's that scummy, I actually agree with Skellen's questioning of Trollie.

[iDanyboy]

I'm feeling better about bob I like his Post 292, I think scum would use it as a point to push someone. I'm liking MT's post more now, not leaning scum on him anymore UNVOTE: .

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: BB

Where I feel the best.

Town

bob3141
TheTrollie
Morning Tweet

Unsure

mavsfan41
Skellen
Cat Scratch Fever
Bambi Jay

Scummy

Paragon
Allomancer

More Scummy

Espressojet
geraintm
BBmolla

[iDanyboy]

Any big disagreement with my list or something anyone want to discuss

[iDanyboy]

Paragon

I didn't like his early push on me, with the fact that I've been on his scum list for the entire day phase but he hasn't tried to push me. I think it's because the other people on his list where getting pushed more than I was so they were easier votes.

BB

Isn't trying to solve the game and his vote switch up in Post 200 and Post 202 pinged me the wrong way and I don't like him trying to revisit the bob wagon, I don't think it's a good direction to go it.

Geri

You're right, I don't know why I put him that low, I would probably move him up to the scummy section but it comes down to Post 253. I don't know why his voting you but this post makes it seem like there's a good reason to park his vote there and that he couldn't find anything more scummy than is RVS vote.

Bambi

Only reason I put her as unsure is because of Post 346.

Espresso

Don't like that he has stuck to his self vote and I found Post 308 really weird.

[iDanyboy]

@dany can you explain your read on me?

I don't like you push on Bob, it's not a very strong read though just above null.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Espresso

I don't think my read list is popular opinion.
It would help if you gave a scum read.

[iDanyboy]

I explained in Post 353, it would help if you could explain why your voting Mav.

[iDanyboy]

I stand by this argument - it actually makes more and more sense every time I make it (despite me not being able to properly explain it apparently).

I agree with Madoka here.

What happened was you voted Allo because it's town tell's are easily fabricated. Skellen ask's you how you know they are fabricated and agrees that it's scummy but for a different reason than you.
Let's say Allo's flips scums and Skellen voted it because of X. Then she reads your reasoning for voting it as Y, and Y is bad reasoning than it is likely you two were bussing. This is what I got from here post, and I agree with it.

[iDanyboy]

I really think that only Scum-Skell could have interpreted my post the same way you are, iDanny. I don't buy that town-skell would make that same misinterpretation if she was scumreading Allo.

Why couldn't the post come from town Skell, when you know I see it the same way but you don't think I'm scum for it.

[iDanyboy]

I really think that only Scum-Skell could have interpreted my post the same way you are, iDanny. I don't buy that town-skell would make that same misinterpretation if she was scumreading Allo.

Why couldn't the post come from town Skell, when you know I see it the same way but you don't think I'm scum for it.

Because you werent scum-reading allo.

Because if Skell was town with a legit scumread on Allo, then when she got to my post that says "yeah Allo has some townie looking posts but they don't strike me as especially hard to fake," TOWN-Skell would have to have AGREED with that completely. Because if she was scumreading allo, then she has to also agree that any townie looking posts are fabricated from scum-allo. The reason I think that slot is scum is becuase scum-Skell, with a fake-scumread on Allo would know Allo is town, and then pounce on my post saying "What makes you think Allo is faking"

I feel like we're going in circles, but this is the part that doesn't make sense with me, she can agree with you that the town tells are fake but asking why you feel he is scummy is to find out if you have a valid reasoning or your making it up because you already know the alignments.

[iDanyboy]

Spoiler:

I really think that only Scum-Skell could have interpreted my post the same way you are, iDanny. I don't buy that town-skell would make that same misinterpretation if she was scumreading Allo.

Why couldn't the post come from town Skell, when you know I see it the same way but you don't think I'm scum for it.

Because you werent scum-reading allo.

Because if Skell was town with a legit scumread on Allo, then when she got to my post that says "yeah Allo has some townie looking posts but they don't strike me as especially hard to fake," TOWN-Skell would have to have AGREED with that completely. Because if she was scumreading allo, then she has to also agree that any townie looking posts are fabricated from scum-allo. The reason I think that slot is scum is becuase scum-Skell, with a fake-scumread on Allo would know Allo is town, and then pounce on my post saying "What makes you think Allo is faking"

I feel like we're going in circles, but this is the part that doesn't make sense with me, she can agree with you that the town tells are fake but asking why you feel he is scummy is to find out if you have a valid reasoning or your making it up because you already know the alignments.

Totally. Everything you said is true. But it's a strawman - the way you describe her actions is incorrect. She wasn't "finding out if I had valid reasoning" for "why I feel he is scummy" and she didn't "agree that the town tells are fake."

She specifically picked out my response to BB where I argued against his claim that allo was obvs-town, and seems to indicate that she

does not

or at least has questions as to whether the allo posts are authentically town or not:

Allo is town homeboys

I agree he has some townie posts but i think all of his towntells are easily fabricated.

Just because they are easily fabricated doesn't necessarily mean they are. Since you are voting him I assume you think they are fabricated, so what makes you think so that scum!Allo is faking his towntells here?

If the above post was more like the situation you articulated above, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. The part that makes it scummy is that it didn't go down as you described it. I'm not making a case in 106 for scum-allo, I'm defending my vote by saying that allo having townie looking posts is not inconsistent with my read on him as scum, because they could just as easily have been scum faking town.

tl;dr

106 says:

"It is possible to believe that scum-Allo would be making the same posts that you all are reading as town."

To question the legitimacy of that take is inconsistent with a player who is, in their next post, going to vote allo. If you are going to vote allo, you also MUST agree with 106, and Skell's 121 shows that she's not fully on board.

I get what your saying now, thanks for sticking with me , I'm not sure if I want to vote the slot yet, I'll wait for more from Madoka.

@mavasfan, Can you not find anyone worthy of your vote?

[iDanyboy]

Why am I almost certainly scum?

[iDanyboy]

Are you at all concerned with expressojet defending you (or whatever you call not a priority lynch) given you're voting him and he says you're not a townread?

No, I could see it coming from town or mafia, saying not to lynch a lurker is easy to say so doesn't help me read him either way.

[iDanyboy]

@Bambi Why say you have more time for the game and then ignore the game?
Espresso’s vote on me makes sense if his scum, I can’t see the town him voting me.
Titus’s vote I get prefer he voted Esspresso instead.
BB vote on me annoys me but his almost confirmed town so nothing I can say

[iDanyboy]

His had the whole day to vote me but he doesn’t do it till now, I don’t see the town motivation in it with the fact that he had his vote on me the whole day doesn’t sit good with me.

[iDanyboy]

@dany - time is thinning out my options

What option's? You haven't expressed a single scum read and have had your vote parked on yourself all game.

Espresso, MT, Dany - thoughts on my case against mavsfan?

I'm still unsure of him, one thing I do find weird is that it feels like his making a case for town Skellen and then end with calling here scum, like in one of the posts you linked he says the below. It looks like his reading Skell as town but then concludes she is scum.

he seems to be fixated on Allomancer leading to a wide range of thinking he’s town then thinking he’s scum. I can see town skellen doing this whereas scum Skellen would just be lazy and make a case for a bob vote?

[iDanyboy]

Help lynch Esspresso then, I’m not interested in a Bob flashwagon.

[iDanyboy]

We need more players to consolidate on a lynch.

[iDanyboy]

we have 4 on espresso and 3 on bob with 3 hours left, can you please vote one of these guys if you haven't already.

[iDanyboy]

Then vote Esspresso? Why are you waiting for the clock to tick down.

[iDanyboy]

But you said you could see yourself voting him before? Why are you not voting him now knowing that Allo will not be today’s lynch.

[iDanyboy]

But you said you could see yourself voting him before? Why are you not voting him now knowing that Allo will not be today’s lynch.

you've not played with me before. I really don't like moving my vote around, I certainly hate voting for people who I don't suspect are scum. why I said I was def not voting for bob

I'm not assuming to know you, you said you would be willing to vote Esspresso and it's close to the deadline and you're not changing your vote doesn't make sense.

[iDanyboy]

Sorry Espresso , I think Gerain's post before the lynch lean to him being town, why hesitate so much if you're scum?

[iDanyboy]

My endgame was to get shot as a PT cop. If I didn't, it suggests Molla's mason claim has more merit.

I don't get this? How does your surviving suggest BB's claim has merit. I'm also surprised that neither you nor BB got shot, which points to you being scum. But I found Paragon's post's townie, so i'm not rushing to lynch you.

[iDanyboy]

I want to look at the slot who voted Allomancer, Allomancer and geratim today. Geratim because opportunistic, the guy who voted Allomancer because that had a zero percent chance of happening and Allomancer in case of a bus/that person being right.

Wait what? No one was voting Allo, and why do you keep doing these pre flip associations without even looking at the content. I also don't get how geratim was being opportunistic.

[iDanyboy]

I think if he was scum though that's an easy push, lynch or no lynch. I don't get how scum would be so hesitant to vote someone as a deadline lynch.

[iDanyboy]

I have no idea what that means.

[iDanyboy]

Fake claims are apart of the meta. If only scum can fakeclaim, they get a huge advantage.

When I get off work I think I'll find us a better target then Titus. Or, if we're so gung ho on her demise, at least find the next suspicious person.

Good idea, I think [Mav,Allo] are scum and I've had a turnaround on Bob after rereading the thread more likely to be scum than town though I still keeping switching between. Also not sure on Jay, CSF and Mala.

[iDanyboy]

You scumread me for Esspresso play made an association now that his flipped town you calling me scum makes no sense. You Gera push is just as nonsensical, you probably are just scum.

[iDanyboy]

I would prefer if we didn’t lynch him yet, I think there’s more we can get from the day.

[iDanyboy]

Who the other two scum are, I know BambiJ has something to post and I don’t think Madoka has even posted yet.

[iDanyboy]

And if Titus is scum I think it’s awkward for scum to play while she is still alive.

[iDanyboy]

We can discuss if anyone finds Mav/Allo scummy and I think everyone Titus pushes is town if she is scum.

[iDanyboy]

BBmolla, Morning Tweet, Cat Scratch Fever, Allomancer, espresso


That was the wagon on titus and i cant see 5 townies voting up para


bbmola has claimed mason, morning i think is town. Allomancer i have town lean on.

leavign epsresso and cat. One of those has got to be scum.

Do you still scumread Cat? And does your VCA change if Titus is scum?

I don't really feel like it's time well used to start playing the game assuming Titus has flipped when she hasn't

But maybe that's just me

I just don't feel like everyone posting Titus is scum and calling it a day is a good use of the day phase, even if we ignore Titus we can still discuss our other scumreads that we have.

[iDanyboy]

What do you want to know?

[iDanyboy]

Mav's post just make me scum read him more because he posts so much and says so little but maybe it's just his posting style but it also seems like his just going lynch to lynch not thinking much about the game as a whole.

[iDanyboy]

When I get off work I think I'll find us a better target then Titus. Or, if we're so gung ho on her demise, at least find the next suspicious person.

I would like to here from Bambi before we end the day.

[iDanyboy]

We can discuss if anyone finds Mav/Allo scummy and I think everyone Titus pushes is town if she is scum.

I'm town on Allo. What's on your mind?

His Post 36 was such an over action was very wierd, him calling the early 1v1 between me and MT town so easily, His jump onto the Titus wagon giving reasons as OMGUS which I don't think ever happens at that time and just sheeping trolies reasoning, and his jump on the Bob wagon doesn't add up with his earlier posts.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Titus

Might as well get it over with.

[iDanyboy]

I don't think there was any other way this was going to happen with the way the game is right now.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Mavs

[iDanyboy]

Morning, Sorry about the hammer I was getting impatient and it was dumb of me.

[iDanyboy]

I understand what your saying, it was a bad decision on my part.

[iDanyboy]

I was waiting for titus replys. Danny you did hammer far to hasty. Though my gut is saying in that situation any scum not already on the wagon would simply let a townie hammer.


The question today is why kill bbmola now rather than last night. With esp flip i would of thought bbmola nk would be more important than Tweets.

My only guess is that they didn't know that the role stopper acted like a doctor and they were aiming for that instead. They probably also have a role blocker of some sort considering they left Titus alive.

[iDanyboy]

I also don't get what answers you were waiting for, I'm pretty sure she had answered everything you asked already.

[iDanyboy]

I also don't get what answers you were waiting for, I'm pretty sure she had answered everything you asked already.

a day should never end 2 days in. 10 days left to deadline there was always more for her to say.


And i wanted to see how she would respond to my proposition that what she did looks to much liek scum backrowing.

I'm not saying that I didn't hammer too early, I'm saying it's disingenuous to say you were waiting for her to reply because I don't get what kind of answer you were expecting her to give after all she had already said, it looks like you're just asking for the sake of asking and not for hunting scum.

[iDanyboy]

Spoiler:

I was waiting for titus replys. Danny you did hammer far to hasty. Though my gut is saying in that situation any scum not already on the wagon would simply let a townie hammer.


The question today is why kill bbmola now rather than last night. With esp flip i would of thought bbmola nk would be more important than Tweets.

My only guess is that they didn't know that the role stopper acted like a doctor and they were aiming for that instead. They probably also have a role blocker of some sort considering they left Titus alive.

I think teh interestign thing is that the the town roleblocker was simple. Thus his only use was to block the night kill.

Thus although he cant stop any scum pr. He also had no negative utility. i.e. he cant interfere with other town roles.

Uh... Your reading it wrong.

He was a RoleSTOPPER. They BLOCK people from visiting someone by roleblocking them. They usually also stop kills.

Basically he was a protective that could only protect VTs and Goons.

Going by that logic, weird as it is, Does this seem like a slip from Bob then?

This is fun.

Yh, it's one of the reasons I'm leaning scum on him but I feel like I'm tunneling and reading everything he says from a scum perspective.

[iDanyboy]

BB/Allo/Danyboy is my town block for the end of the day. Mavs and Mala-Madoka-Skelly are runner-ups.

Bob is my favourite lynch but I can compromise to Titus/Bambi/Espresso as the timer drains. I don't reaaly wanna vote mavs, iDany, or gerain

Since he said he didn't want to lynch Mav or gerain you could reduce it even more to Bambi, Bob, Troliie, CSF.

[iDanyboy]

Who's scum then?

[iDanyboy]

@bob3141: Your 826 is based in hindsight that BBmola’s role was known (and sure they claimed) by why not bring up Morning Tweet’s demise in 697 (your first post of day 2). With BBmola’s flip, now you’re questioning the Morning Tweet death especially how it clears you with 837? Your series of posts seemed based of the assumption that BBmola’s role was known back when the Morning Tweet kill was made. I understand BBmola claimed but this is now something you’re bringing up AFTER the flip and retroactively trying to play out night 1 with information known after night 2. This seems extremely disingenuous to me and a little too convenient here for you to clear yourself. Idk what the goal was of your series of posts about this topic, but it seems to simply just clear yourself.

Basically what I’m saying is that bob sees BBmola’s flip, then questions the order of the kills ONLY after BBmola flipped aka with info learned in BBmola’s flip and seemingly forcing a clear of himself based off the order of the kill assuming BBmola was the correct kill night 1 when that info was not yet revealed.

To bring this up now rather than day 2 basically confirms bob3141’s logic is based on knowledge known now vs back then but framing it as info known all along.

Vote: bob3141

I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean here, the only part I understood is that you find Bob's delayed NKA scummy, what knowledge are you saying Bob has?

[iDanyboy]

I think you over exaggerating your push on Bambi @bob.

[iDanyboy]

Maybe an easier way to explain this:
BBmola claims mason and not killed
Bob: doesn’t acknowledge this
BBmola flips mason.
Bob: why wasn’t the mason killed night 1?

It feel’s like a weak reason to vote him out together with the fact that you just vote the first ‘scummy’ thing that happens makes me think your not genuinely scum hunting, and the fact that bob ignored my question about asking him who’s scum makes me think this is scum theatre so I’m just want to wait for some other people to chime in.

[iDanyboy]

ok so - I'm just throwing this out there but feel free to tell me this is a horrible idea ---

having reread BBs claim - both he and his "mason partner(s) are neighborizors"

then he says "You can take one guess who I neighborized they aren’t around anymore ". Which sounds like they each get to neighborize each night - sounds insane but also sounds like its the only way to interpret his post. That would mean that the neighborhood is potentially 4 players large (BBs partner got a neighbor N1 and they both got one last night...hypothetically). 4/9 players in PT with 1 mason in it and 3/9 players mafia - in that world there is a real chance mafia is in the PT and knows BBs partner while we do not.

i dont think the mason should claim rn but I think maybe some sort of neighborhood claim could help town? I think we should discuss here and the neighbors should discuss in their PT, but it feels like we're at the point where, with this player makeup, and without BB in the game anymore - info on the neighborhood could benefit town more than mafia rn (esp since theres a real chance mafia is in the PT by now).

Maybe I'm crazy. and again, I do not think the mason or anyone in the PT should claim right away but I am wondering what ppl think about this idea in general on D3

Seem's like a waste of time.

[iDanyboy]

Each neighbourhood that claims just narrows the pool of who the masons is, and I rather just leave the choice up to the Mason(s) who have the full picture

[iDanyboy]

Scum are just sitting back chilling so CSF is probably town at this point.

[iDanyboy]

It's a soft town read but I don't have many town reads so it's all I got. I don't think CSF has even been very active it was just the timing off the post gives me a town read. I don't know who you are talking about when you're talking about other people being loud but not much I have read in this day phase bar Bob's post has helped me get a read on them.

[iDanyboy]

I feel like the amount Bob has pushed Bambi and the amount he has pushed Mav doesn't line up with him saying

i want bambi first as if im right on bambi that prety much makes you her scum partner.

[iDanyboy]

This game is so wierd, I don't know why this game is like this, 2 day's have passed and almost nothing has passed.
Trollie putting down a some scum reads then not explaining them not voting them or pushing them is scummy, doesn't match up with there earlier posts when town was in a better rhythm.

[iDanyboy]

@Trollie, Re read the game and you will see why I'm voting Mav's.

[iDanyboy]

Trollie is just messing with my head, His post just get scummier and scummier, It feels like a Trollie bambi team, he thought Bambi was the lynch then realized it wasn't and un voted. Now suddenly Mav's is his strongest scum read?

[iDanyboy]

Spoiler:

Allo - I completely agree with you here. I still feel like you might have caught scum in mavs, but here is my concern. I believe scum is in this group:

- mavs
- gerain
- bambi
- Mala
- iDanny

But I cannot figure out based on the interactions of those three players where the logical team is.

Deeper dive (I'll have to go through and re-read for clarity later but this is just what went down from my memory):

- iD pushes me to re-assess my mavs read, I bite
- I vote Mavs, and post my believe if a mavs/gerain/bambi team
- Mavs AGREES with my assessment, but subs out himself for bob (i.e. mavs believes scum = bob/bambi/gerain) *this is where my reads started to get fucked up. If mavs is scum (which I still believe(d) to be true), suggesting that his reads are also bambi/gerain is a mindfuck...hard to decifer what that means about bambi/gerain if mavs is lynched and does flip scum - couldn't imagine both of {Bambi/Gerain} would be his partners

- Then MALA (note - also on the list above/a slot i've never given up on thinking could be scum) ALSO AGREES with my reads. What's scummy about her post though is that she says, of MY reads, that if one of the three of {mavs/bambi/gerain} is scum, it probably is that I (TROLLIE) am scum. I was literally just reconing with the idea that scum-mavs would buddy with me against both of his scum-partners, and now MALA is suggesting that she thinks I am bussing both of my partners. Don't like that one bit.

- then, iDanny jumps on this to call me scum for changing my mind on mavs, when I literally only changed my mind on mavs BECAUSE OF MY BACK-AND-FORTH WITH IDANNY.

- then Gerain posts a wall on me but whatever...I don't agree with his case but he doesn't loop anyone else in so I'm less concerned with that.

So now I'm reconning with what to do with the layering on of all of these "scumreads" by people who are on my scumlist - it's really hard to figure out where the overlapping reads are bussing/buddying and where they are genuine.

And then after I'm through thinking about all of that, I have to return to the fact that iDanny was the first on the mavs wagon today, and other than him, no one on my possible scum list has touched that wagon...so I really think that is a good call - but then i have to recon with these mindfucks posts to figure it all out

It might feel like that's what happened but all that you said is 'I dig it and' and 'I'm sorry for not seeing it earlier - Mavs is def scum.' so from my point of view it seems like your just chasing wagons and didn't want to be on the bambi wagon. Looking back thought my theory doesn't make much sense unless it's specifically a [bob,bambi,trollie] team.

[iDanyboy]

I don't see how a Mav/mala team works with that vote, I'm not feeling a Mala lynch and I'm confident in my read on Mav and would rather we get him.

[iDanyboy]

I’m not sure you can believe he is town now, can we please just lynch him already.

[iDanyboy]

I'm ready to lynch.

[iDanyboy]

Dany saying ‘reread the game’ in 948 is a bullshit suggestion. It’s taken me all fucking day to read the game. Highlight what you want to say. Don’t fling baseless accusations then argue for someone to read. Such a dismissive way of handling a situation and definitely a scum thing to suggest.

I don't know how anyone is expected to respond to that post, but to what I've quoted Trollie has voted and then un voted them a few times saying 'I need to re read the game', so it was not baseless post.
I also don't get why you have me as a scumread, it's hard to parse what your saying and if you could just make like a short post explaining why I'm scum because it feels like your just calling all my posts scummy without adequate explanation.

[iDanyboy]

[1] You highlight Trollies flip flopping (yet who also tries to justify his statements) but absolutely say nothing about Allo who is doing his best Haviana's factory impersonation. Why?

[2]You absolutely do know why I have you as a scum read and your failure to even engage with my post (which even Ger did, so there's some credit for him there) is indicative of your glazing over it. Why would you glaze over it? Is it possibly because engaging with it would incriminate yourself?

[1] I highlighted Trollie because he wasn’t committing to a vote and it looked like he was trying to keep his option, then when I thought about it more that interaction didn’t make sense unless it was a [bambi, Bob, Trollie] team, which I don’t think it is as I think mavs is scum.
I haven’t said anything about Allo because I haven’t thought much about him, I found his posts odd but Trollie was agreeing with him so I decided to leave it until after the mavs lynch.

[2] I do not know why you scum read me, I could go over your post point by point but it will just me being saying why or no it isn’t to every post. I also think it is easy to just quote a bunch of posts but if you try to make a cohesive case it wouldn’t make much sense.

[iDanyboy]

I think the final scum is in [drew, Mala, Bambi]. I also think the neighbourhood should out themselves and when they joined it.

[iDanyboy]

I agree with Geraintm. So forced between those two, it’s Espressojet for me.

Vote: Expressojet

Trollie why do you think mav would choose to vote espresso over cat

The vote was between you and Espressojet, not cat.

[iDanyboy]

I don't get what's so facepalm worthy? Mala's posted a blank vote and nothing else so it seems like she doesn't care about your discussion.

[iDanyboy]

It's facepalm worthy because I basically led the lynch on mavs and called you as scum and now you're calling me part of the scum team?

Seriously... You're as obvious as it gets.

I am going to vote for you now. I feel passionately about it.

VOTE: iDanyboy

I want to hear why people are on Trollie. I'm not 100% convinced on him.

The Mavs lynch went through without you, and would of went through had you posted nothing. I am the one that scumread mavs on day 2 and voted him as soon as day 3 started and did not move it when the bob/ bambi wagons both had 3 votes on them. I think this makes it hard to pin me as scum with mavs. I also don't like how you are trying to take credit for a mavs lynch when you had nothing to do with it.

[iDanyboy]

I also don't get this hostility that you are giving to trollie for hammering, Mala has posted in thread and basically ignored you, yet your angry at trollie.

[iDanyboy]

You keep highlighting mala and her lack of discourse. Why.

I agree that in looking back at your actions, you did sit on mavs. But you also sat on EJ for reasons that were ridiculous and hammered Titus. Given how stinky mavs is, I would also consider your actions akin to bussing.
Lastly, detail why you think I'm scum with mala, and why you said scum team was mala, Bambi and I and you never included mavs in that.

Your behaviour in D1 and D2 were so incredibly dodgy.

I'm not laying claim on the mavs lynch. I'm saying I lead it in that I advocated for it and wanted it.

I also don't get this hostility that you are giving to trollie for hammering, Mala has posted in thread and basically ignored you, yet your angry at trollie.

Because as someone just coming into the game, I wanted a more broad view of peoples response to my argument, not a shitty hammer with no analysis and discussion. I wanted to flush out whether you, bambi and bob were part of mavs team by how you voted and reacted. Trollie didn't give me that opportunity. Three different hammers on three different lynches also makes me consider the possibility that one is scum.

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At the least, one of mala and Bambi identifies to me that they're scum. That means the remaining scum (if there is 3) is on mavs. Allo now dead as town means you, bob, ger and trollie are one of the scum. I find it unlikely both remaining scum would be on the lynch.

I keep highlighting Mal's lack of content because you keep saying you wanted a response from Mala and she has ignored you and yet you're puting your anger elsewhere.
I also think you need to re read day 3 because I was the only one that voted Mav's when he had no stink on him and had ample oppurtunity to switch votes because there where two wagons in Bambi and Bob. So in your universe I as scum came out hard pushing my partners after miss lynching two townies? with a misslynch opportunity in Bambi or Bob (as they can't both be my partners). I don't think my day 1 play was dodgy, day 2 you could argue but I think my day 1 was pretty clear.

My scum read's come from POE, mav's is dead so we can't lynch him again. I think Bob, Trollie and Ger are town leaving you, Bambi and Mala.

You said ' I basically led the lynch on mavs' and I think anyone that reads it will get the same meaning I did from that and not what you have said now. If anyone pushed him when he had a stink on him it was you not me.

Writing this post has made me realise how disjointed and bad my writing skills are

[iDanyboy]

Spoiler:

1. I keep highlighting Mal's lack of content because you keep saying you wanted a response from Mala and she has ignored you and yet you're puting your anger elsewhere.
2. I also think you need to re read day 3 because I was the only one that voted Mav's when he had no stink on him and had ample oppurtunity to switch votes because there where two wagons in Bambi and Bob. So in your universe I as scum came out hard pushing my partners after miss lynching two townies? with a misslynch opportunity in Bambi or Bob (as they can't both be my partners). I don't think my day 1 play was dodgy, day 2 you could argue but I think my day 1 was pretty clear.

3. My scum read's come from POE, mav's is dead so we can't lynch him again. I think Bob, Trollie and Ger are town leaving you, Bambi and Mala.

You said ' I basically led the lynch on mavs' and I think anyone that reads it will get the same meaning I did from that and not what you have said now. If anyone pushed him when he had a stink on him it was you not me.

Writing this post has made me realise how disjointed and bad my writing skills are

1. Re trollie: he was on mavs at 3.5. Then got off at 1059, strangely. Then I come along, post my wall, and, acknowledging he did in read my wall and Ger's posts after (1078) which must have included my request to wait for mala in 1068, ends up slamming the hammer after Allo voted in 1079 (with Trollie going on 1093 when it seemed abundantly clear mavs was scum).

That's why I'm angry. Mala not posting is not something I'm angry at. I want their feedback. I'm also wondering if they've been force voted and silenced but I doubt it.

... also, when reading that, it seems fucking clear Trollie is acting suspiciously.

Fuck. That revelation hit me like a truck...

I actually think Trollie is scum guys.

2. Not important after my revelation in 1.

3. Why is Trollie town? Exactly why? I think it's now you, Trollie and mavs.

Why do you keep drawing attention to mala?You are shifting focus here from you and Trollie.

I've only brought attention to Mala in response to you, and I haven't shifted focus away from my self as I am discussing my play with you so how can I be changing the focus away from myself?

Your 2 isn't an adequete response. You think I'm scum with Mavs, and Trollie but I didn't push either of them prior to day 3 andI have managed to miss lynch town two days in a row with ease, but then I hard bussed my partner in day 3 when there were two viable miss lynches. You think that when Bob and Bamb both had 3 votes on them I would just straight push Mavs. I don't think that play ever makes sense. I think this theory makes no sense unless I am scum with both Bob and Bambi so to put me as scum me Trollie seems nonsensical.

[iDanyboy]

@Dany - I have no idea what the team is. The fact you keep lumping teams together as if one combination only makes sense so you must disregard all others if you're going to push a scumread is, IMHO, an easy way to dismiss concern regarding you. My reads are you, trollie, bambi, bob right now. How that works, I don't know and I don't care. You can twist and distort any theory put together as scum to play down the reality of who you are. My theory on why I think you are scum is based entirely on your posts - not some possible scum team I have to fit you all into for it to be a paradigm can be challenged and allow obfuscation.

Your posts make you scum based off going through the entire thread post by post and working out what you've done. The fact you hammered Titus emphasises that. The fact you sat on EJ who flipped town, and you rammed into him mindlessly emphasises that. You at no point have voted for Mavs, and only jumped on him in D3 I believe because you and mavs knew mavs was likely to get lynched, and starting it off gave you a chance to play the 'I lead the lynch on mavs'. You've formed no read on him really before 767 and there was no reasoning why that was the case, and instead of voting and pushing for him in D2 you instead hammer Titus. It reeks. The fact you've had a scum read on Allo, BBMolla, Titus and EJ who have all turned town is both good enough for me to believe you're either incapable of forming an accurate scumread on the game and leads me to believe you deliberately bussed mav's, since your previous read have been rubbish.

And yes you are changing focus on yourself by identifying other targets you believe I should be pursuing. Do you think mala is scum? Yes. And you have to, in order for me and other townies to push on another mis-lynch that will benefit you. So, you'll draw on her not saying anything to get me to focus on someone else that isn't you. Mala has contributed enough for me that I believe I know where she stands. I may be wrong but that's the chance we take.

Fuck it. I'm going to back my gut. VOTE: iDanyboy

I have not told you who to pursue, all my post's this day have been defending myself apart from one which was me stating my POE. I have only mentioned Mala in response to you because it seemed you were because you wanted a response from him. This seemed odd to me then because you were blaming Gera then Trollie for hammering when Mala the one who you kept saying you wanted a response from posted but ignored me didn't make sense. This is the only time I have brought up Mala in response to you.

Titus was going to be the lynch I don't get how me hammering makes me ssum. I also don't get why me pushing EJ is scummy. I thought he was scum and I explained why, I was wrong but that doesn't make me scummy. I don't know why you bringing up how wrong I am as a reason to lynch me? I may have bad scum reads but I can still be right some of the time.

I also want to reiterate about mavs that no one was pushing him at all. You're saying I knew mavs was going to be lynched but how? No one was pushing him, no one was mentioning him, he was under no pressure whats so ever. So if your are town you need to read day 2/3 properly. i lynched Titus because it was the lynch there was no changing that. I found mavs scummy on day two and I tried to get a conversation going about him but I wasn't getting anywhere, Titus was going to be the lynch so I hammered. Then I pushed mavs when there was no pressure on him and if you want to dispute this show me some posts of him getting pressure. For me to pressure mav's in that situation if I was scum would make no sense as I had at least one miss lynch opportunity.

[iDanyboy]

Spoiler:

This is retarded logic. So you're just happy to lynch townies knowing their townies because it's inevitable? That's scum behaviour right there. If you're town, and you believe someone is town, you don't be part of that lynch. Fucking simple.

Secondly, you pushing EJ is scummy BECAUSE THEY FLIPPED TOWN! Titus was basically lynched for the EJ case she made. Why weren't you when you sat on EJ ALL DAY 1?

You are so presenting as scum.

TLDR - iDany first scum choice. bob second scum choice. Trollie third scum choice. Bambi fourth scum choice but I find less likely.

1) Are you telling me you have never lynched someone who you though could be town?
2) Bullshit, by this metric everyone in this game is scum. You have to give a reason my push on EJ was scummy.

I think you’re scum who chose me as a miss lynch target and that’s why none of what you say makes any sense.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Drew

[iDanyboy]

Your wrong is an argument, almost everything you said is a fabrication.

[iDanyboy]

There’s no point going line by line through you’re argument because you just going to ignore what I say and push me because your scum.

[iDanyboy]

I keep going back to the origin of the wagon on me which was this madness that started once mavs was REALLY feeling pressure yesterday. From my memory (and ill check unless someone else does), the events are that (a) iDanny pushes me to join the mavs wagon (b) I join the mavs wagon (c) Mala starts to sow a trollie-scum theory (d) iDanny hops on the theory (e) Gerain joins the bunch (though i think it was gerain who has maintained some scum-read on me for a while now)

It seems to me that at least one of Mala/iDanny/Gerain is scum. That was too good of an opportunity to sidetrack a scum-wagon with real momentum. And it was working for a while. If scum DIDN'T get behind my push at that point it would have been a missed opportunity.

What I also really don't love is that...then we lynch mavs, he flips scum, and somehow I'm still the vote today even though I was the COUNTER-wagon to mavs yesterday. It just doesnt add up.

Do you deny that your progression is not clear and you were flip flopping hard, I don't think it's off base to say you did these things and I called those out. There was no wagon on you, Mala called you scummy and you only had one vote from Gerain. So this idea that you were a counter wagon is not how it happened. The counter wagons were bob/bambi before Mavs and then you tried to create a counterwagon on Mala not me. You scum lists from this theory is the same as the scum list you had from before, so I think your just finding what is fitting who you think is scum.

I probably won't vote outside of [bambi,Drew] today.

[iDanyboy]

How am I L-1? Only drew and bambi are voting me

[iDanyboy]

I'm really just feeling useless when my strongest scumreads arent posting so I'm feeling like lets just get through the day.

I feel like I’ve posted enough though.

[iDanyboy]

This game is going nowhere can we just lynch drew please.

[iDanyboy]

Trollie can you claim.

[iDanyboy]

It comes down to two main things.
He keeps saying I only pushed Mav's because it was going to happen so I just went along with it, but I was the first one to push him and he has ignored this when I bring it up and keeps repeating that he was going to be lynched anyway and that I did nothing to influence it.
Second point is he keeps saying that I bussed (he has done the same to bob ) but he doesn't explain why he think's it was a bus and not me scum reading Mavs.

[iDanyboy]

Thanks for the content Mala

[iDanyboy]

If someone gives intent I’ll claim.

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: trollie
Someone hammer one of us please

[iDanyboy]

dannyi can you explain why you didnt want to flash lynch me day one

Thought you were being hard headed and it was distracting from the game.

[iDanyboy]

I would be fine switching to a Mala lynch.

[iDanyboy]

I never townread you day 1, I thought you were distracting us with a bad argument so it was best to ignore the interaction.

[iDanyboy]

I'm a VT just put me out of my misery.

[iDanyboy]

I'm a VT just put me out of my misery.

[iDanyboy]

well You were wrong, and it’s frustrating arguing against you and Trollie when you lynch me for things that are out of my control.