Mini Normal 2128: Normal Mafia - Game Over!

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1067 (isolation #0) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:03 am

Hi all!

Time to catch up. /puts on reading glasses and grabs a coffee

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1068 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:58 pm

Be warned before opening. It's fucking long. It has literally taken me all day between work to do this. You have no idea how stuffed my eyes are now and how much coffee I've pissed out as a consequence.

And yes. I'm Aussie. I swear. Shit, fuck, piss, arse.

Spoiler:

My theory is mavs and bob are bussing each other or mavs has buddied bob all game and is now trying to restart his failed wagon to get himself free. Town does not flail like mavs has flailed. I'm not ready to concede to bob being town but it is possible.

I also think Allo is either VI or presents as scum and flip flops needlessly. I also think Bambi, Ger or Dany all read as scum. So it's a pool of five IMHO.

Mala slot is town IMHO. Trollie I'm ambiguous on but lean town.

I'm willing to discuss voting mavs once everyone has considered my post. Want most definitely to hear from mala.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1071 (isolation #2) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm

The very fact mavs has not been hammered at this point given how his slot has read through identifies that scum is not on mavs.

Ger is on Trollie (and keeps persisting in that line of thinking), Bambi is on bob, dany is on mavs, Allo is on mala (and so is mav). The fact Allo is happy to vote for someone like mala, when he has previously scum read mavs, who is also voting mala, identifies he is either scum or VI.

I would argue, though, that scum is spread across multiple targets at this stage and only one of them on mav. So Ger, bob, dany, Bambi, Allo really do trigger my senses here.

Bambi, Allo need to adjust to mav for me to consider they may not be scum.

In post 1069, geraintm wrote:
In post 158, geraintm wrote:
In post 155, mavsfan41 wrote:But in the middle of page 3 (posts 53-60ish) this game takes a more serious tone I feel where it appears RVS ended and the game really began
Yeah, I found it weird too, how people in this game were going at each other hell for leather, I come back and place my random vote and go "woah, loads has happened!" And then I get read as fishy by like 3 people for saying that.

I have no real interest in the current pushing and shoving, I hope those who are expending this energy are having fun and getting something from it.
going through Drew sta's post and answer their questions aimed at me

The above, I have no interest in Day 1 arguments, I feel it is a waste of time mostly because people have zero info to go on.

Post 303 was a cop out,not denying that

my post 464 - I have no idea now what I was looking at, presumably something about BBMola but I can't remember now

you don't like my vote in 665 on Allo...but in your read through your opinion on Allo is exactly the same as mine

My 784 - yeah, I was looking to end the day quickly. I was at this point 99% sure they wer egoing to be lynched, and extending the day would just give scum chance to confuse thing. obv looks bad when they flip town, but ive been in too many games where there is an obvious lynch and scum manage to just delay delay delay and people get bored and townies move off the correct vote.

My 983 was just answering a promise I had made earlier to look at the Bob wagon's, and then maybe getting some info off it. its usefulness got removed after my 989 look at trollies though

your post overall makes decent sense. you come round to thinking mavs needs to go today, the effort you have put in is welcome. it is possible when going through 1000 posts to find something scummy looking everyone has done.

Re read on Allo - express concisely what your read is so I can confirm whether we actually align.

Re your comment on 784 - none of what you have said at any time in that paragraph is a town approach. Jumping on a lynch just to keep the game going despite knowing it is a bad lynch is either gross negligence as a townie (in which case you deserve to be lynched to rid us of your poor play) or the actions of someone trying to cover up their tracks with a 'oh oh, but, the game, things need to keep going!'. That's absolute rubbish. If you can't help keep people on the correct vote as a town member who knows the lynch is right, then you're fucking up. Plain and simple. And to trade your vote for an easier lynch just to keep things going is just absurd. You're playing the weak victim card and abdicating responsibility for your part in the game.

None of what I've said is personal, but there's some hard truths that need to be faced here right now or we stand to lose the game. Change your vote to mavs, and make it clear to people that you agree with someone you've claimed has made sense, and has proposed a path of action that has merit.

In post 1070, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 1068, Drew-Sta wrote: Dany saying ‘reread the game’ in 948 is a bullshit suggestion. It’s taken me all fucking day to read the game. Highlight what you want to say. Don’t fling baseless accusations then argue for someone to read. Such a dismissive way of handling a situation and definitely a scum thing to suggest.
I don't know how anyone is expected to respond to that post, but to what I've quoted Trollie has voted and then un voted them a few times saying 'I need to re read the game', so it was not baseless post.
I also don't get why you have me as a scumread, it's hard to parse what your saying and if you could just make like a short post explaining why I'm scum because it feels like your just calling all my posts scummy without adequate explanation.

You highlight Trollies flip flopping (yet who also tries to justify his statements) but absolutely say nothing about Allo who is doing his best Haviana's factory impersonation. Why?

You absolutely do know why I have you as a scum read and your failure to even engage with my post (which even Ger did, so there's some credit for him there) is indicative of your glazing over it. Why would you glaze over it? Is it possibly because engaging with it would incriminate yourself?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1072 (isolation #3) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:11 am

UNVOTE: Bambi

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1073 (isolation #4) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:12 am

Giving myself a chance to assess how people respond to what I've said.

I 100% consider mavs scum and will happily put my arse on the line and hammer if one of ger, bambi, allo shift.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1081 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:54 am

I said I also wanted mala to weight in too.

In saying that, I will hammer when I wake up in the morning. No-one do it. I made the argument, I should have the integrity to follow through ONCE mala has given me her thoughts.

Will post on rest when awake too.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1112 (isolation #6) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:19 am

In post 1100, iDanyboy wrote:I think the final scum is in [drew, Mala, Bambi]. I also think the neighbourhood should out themselves and when they joined it.

/facepalm

You’ve got to be kidding me, right?

Ger, disappointed you hammered mate. We needed to get mala in on the discussion.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1115 (isolation #7) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:24 pm

In post 1104, bob3141 wrote:
In post 863, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 835, bob3141 wrote:You have a tweet death who is a kill against several mislynches that day. So its unlikely that a player still pushing him towards the end of the day is scum.

Now why kill him when it takes one vote of one to two mislynchs.

Then you have chances that he was killed to simply stop a town block forming. If that is so it increases the odds that allo and dany are town. You have him not wanting trollie or mala.

by odds it most likely makes allo/dany/trolii/mala town. And that nk was so not me. A look at all my scum privates would show you that.

my poe for today mav/bambi/germ/cat
Why is mavs in your pool? MT was against a mavs lynch d1 as well
drew what do you think of this?

Cats post or your post?

In post 1113, iDanyboy wrote:I don't get what's so facepalm worthy? Mala's posted a blank vote and nothing else so it seems like she doesn't care about your discussion.

It's facepalm worthy because I basically led the lynch on mavs and called you as scum and now you're calling me part of the scum team?

Seriously... You're as obvious as it gets.

I am going to vote for you now. I feel passionately about it.

VOTE: iDanyboy

I want to hear why people are on Trollie. I'm not 100% convinced on him.

In post 1114, geraintm wrote:
In post 1112, Drew-Sta wrote:
In post 1100, iDanyboy wrote:I think the final scum is in [drew, Mala, Bambi]. I also think the neighbourhood should out themselves and when they joined it.
/facepalm

You’ve got to be kidding me, right?

Ger, disappointed you hammered mate. We needed to get mala in on the discussion.
I didnt hammer!
Go back and read the votes

Sorry, you're right.

Trollie, what the fuck, dude. Honestly.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1116 (isolation #8) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:25 pm

Question - are there force votes in this game?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1119 (isolation #9) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:29 pm

In post 1117, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 1115, Drew-Sta wrote:It's facepalm worthy because I basically led the lynch on mavs and called you as scum and now you're calling me part of the scum team?

Seriously... You're as obvious as it gets.

I am going to vote for you now. I feel passionately about it.

VOTE: iDanyboy

I want to hear why people are on Trollie. I'm not 100% convinced on him.
The Mavs lynch went through without you, and would of went through had you posted nothing. I am the one that scumread mavs on day 2 and voted him as soon as day 3 started and did not move it when the bob/ bambi wagons both had 3 votes on them. I think this makes it hard to pin me as scum with mavs. I also don't like how you are trying to take credit for a mavs lynch when you had nothing to do with it.

You keep highlighting mala and her lack of discourse. Why.

I agree that in looking back at your actions, you did sit on mavs. But you also sat on EJ for reasons that were ridiculous and hammered Titus. Given how stinky mavs is, I would also consider your actions akin to bussing.

Lastly, detail why you think I'm scum with mala, and why you said scum team was mala, Bambi and I and you never included mavs in that.

Your behaviour in D1 and D2 were so incredibly dodgy.

I'm not laying claim on the mavs lynch. I'm saying I lead it in that I advocated for it and wanted it.

In post 1118, iDanyboy wrote:I also don't get this hostility that you are giving to trollie for hammering, Mala has posted in thread and basically ignored you, yet your angry at trollie.

Because as someone just coming into the game, I wanted a more broad view of peoples response to my argument, not a shitty hammer with no analysis and discussion. I wanted to flush out whether you, bambi and bob were part of mavs team by how you voted and reacted. Trollie didn't give me that opportunity. Three different hammers on three different lynches also makes me consider the possibility that one is scum.

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At the least, one of mala and Bambi identifies to me that they're scum. That means the remaining scum (if there is 3) is on mavs. Allo now dead as town means you, bob, ger and trollie are one of the scum. I find it unlikely both remaining scum would be on the lynch.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1120 (isolation #10) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:33 pm

@mod - does this game set up include the possibility of a silence ability or a force vote ability?

Sorry for my n00biness.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1122 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:33 pm

In post 1121, iDanyboy wrote:1. I keep highlighting Mal's lack of content because you keep saying you wanted a response from Mala and she has ignored you and yet you're puting your anger elsewhere.
2. I also think you need to re read day 3 because I was the only one that voted Mav's when he had no stink on him and had ample oppurtunity to switch votes because there where two wagons in Bambi and Bob. So in your universe I as scum came out hard pushing my partners after miss lynching two townies? with a misslynch opportunity in Bambi or Bob (as they can't both be my partners). I don't think my day 1 play was dodgy, day 2 you could argue but I think my day 1 was pretty clear.

3. My scum read's come from POE, mav's is dead so we can't lynch him again. I think Bob, Trollie and Ger are town leaving you, Bambi and Mala.

You said ' I basically led the lynch on mavs' and I think anyone that reads it will get the same meaning I did from that and not what you have said now. If anyone pushed him when he had a stink on him it was you not me.

Writing this post has made me realise how disjointed and bad my writing skills are

1. Re trollie: he was on mavs at 3.5. Then got off at 1059, strangely. Then I come along, post my wall, and, acknowledging he did in read my wall and Ger's posts after (1078) which must have included my request to wait for mala in 1068, ends up slamming the hammer after Allo voted in 1079 (with Trollie going on 1093 when it seemed abundantly clear mavs was scum).

That's why I'm angry. Mala not posting is not something I'm angry at. I want their feedback. I'm also wondering if they've been force voted and silenced but I doubt it.

... also, when reading that, it seems fucking clear Trollie is acting suspiciously.

Fuck. That revelation hit me like a truck...

I actually think Trollie is scum guys.

2. Not important after my revelation in 1.

3. Why is Trollie town? Exactly why? I think it's now you, Trollie and mavs.

Why do you keep drawing attention to mala?You are shifting focus here from you and Trollie.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1125 (isolation #12) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:44 pm

@Dany - I have no idea what the team is. The fact you keep lumping teams together as if one combination only makes sense so you must disregard all others if you're going to push a scumread is, IMHO, an easy way to dismiss concern regarding you. My reads are you, trollie, bambi, bob right now. How that works, I don't know and I don't care. You can twist and distort any theory put together as scum to play down the reality of who you are. My theory on why I think you are scum is based entirely on your posts - not some possible scum team I have to fit you all into for it to be a paradigm can be challenged and allow obfuscation.

Your posts make you scum based off going through the entire thread post by post and working out what you've done. The fact you hammered Titus emphasises that. The fact you sat on EJ who flipped town, and you rammed into him mindlessly emphasises that. You at no point have voted for Mavs, and only jumped on him in D3 I believe because you and mavs knew mavs was likely to get lynched, and starting it off gave you a chance to play the 'I lead the lynch on mavs'. You've formed no read on him really before 767 and there was no reasoning why that was the case, and instead of voting and pushing for him in D2 you instead hammer Titus. It reeks. The fact you've had a scum read on Allo, BBMolla, Titus and EJ who have all turned town is both good enough for me to believe you're either incapable of forming an accurate scumread on the game and leads me to believe you deliberately bussed mav's, since your previous read have been rubbish.

And yes you are changing focus on yourself by identifying other targets you believe I should be pursuing. Do you think mala is scum? Yes. And you have to, in order for me and other townies to push on another mis-lynch that will benefit you. So, you'll draw on her not saying anything to get me to focus on someone else that isn't you. Mala has contributed enough for me that I believe I know where she stands. I may be wrong but that's the chance we take.

Fuck it. I'm going to back my gut. VOTE: iDanyboy

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1126 (isolation #13) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:45 pm

In post 1124, Bambi Jay wrote:Fuck, Mavs really was scum. Hmm. Okay, back in this game finally after just dodging it for awhile for... Honestly laziness and shit because no scum flip gave me anything to work with.

Don't out Trollie to L-1 please. A quickhammer today would be shite.

Actually do something other than float in and float out. If you can't spend the time, sub out and let someone else finish the game.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1137 (isolation #14) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:10 pm

Spoiler:

In post 1127, bob3141 wrote:@drew-sta i was asking about what you think about your slots prior post 863

Why is that relevant? I am my own person. My predecessor played the game in their way. I play it in my way. All that matters is I am trying to work toward towns best interest and lynch the mafia.

In post 1128, bob3141 wrote:Drew-sta serously. Arer you taking credit for the mav lynch. All day oen your slot was pushign it as town. And then when you rep in you hold off on hammering him.

At most you could ever say is that you came round to vote for mavs. Certainly not that you were architect of teh mav lynch. Which just absurd.

Mav even got up to l-1 at times before you repped in when you slot wasnt in the game

Ok, maybe it is a bit far for me to go to claim I lead mavs lynch. But it is clear to me that he was stalling and things progressed when I made my first post.

All I'm saying is it was clear mavs was scum. And he was far scummier than Titus ever presented.

I held off hammering as I wanted more feedback from mala as I wanted to ensure we were aligned, as I currently read her town.

In post 1129, bob3141 wrote:Drew-Sta so whats your read on me?

As it seems you still have me in a poe. Explain how you some how come to the reachy conclusion that bob vs mav was SvS

I believe you present as scum. Have you read my first post? mav was buddying you all day one. Your gap in day two (ie your quietness) registered to me as someone trying to hide. Then, when it was clear as day mav was going to get lynched day three, you and mavs went toe to toe. That looked like a bus to me if ever there was one.

In post 1130, bob3141 wrote:
In post 1125, Drew-Sta wrote:@Dany - I have no idea what the team is. The fact you keep lumping teams together as if one combination only makes sense so you must disregard all others if you're going to push a scumread is, IMHO, an easy way to dismiss concern regarding you. My reads are you, trollie, bambi, bob right now. How that works, I don't know and I don't care. You can twist and distort any theory put together as scum to play down the reality of who you are. My theory on why I think you are scum is based entirely on your posts - not some possible scum team I have to fit you all into for it to be a paradigm can be challenged and allow obfuscation.

Your posts make you scum based off going through the entire thread post by post and working out what you've done. The fact you hammered Titus emphasises that. The fact you sat on EJ who flipped town, and you rammed into him mindlessly emphasises that. You at no point have voted for Mavs, and only jumped on him in D3 I believe because you and mavs knew mavs was likely to get lynched, and starting it off gave you a chance to play the 'I lead the lynch on mavs'. You've formed no read on him really before 767 and there was no reasoning why that was the case, and instead of voting and pushing for him in D2 you instead hammer Titus. It reeks. The fact you've had a scum read on Allo, BBMolla, Titus and EJ who have all turned town is both good enough for me to believe you're either incapable of forming an accurate scumread on the game and leads me to believe you deliberately bussed mav's, since your previous read have been rubbish.

And yes you are changing focus on yourself by identifying other targets you believe I should be pursuing. Do you think mala is scum? Yes. And you have to, in order for me and other townies to push on another mis-lynch that will benefit you. So, you'll draw on her not saying anything to get me to focus on someone else that isn't you. Mala has contributed enough for me that I believe I know where she stands. I may be wrong but that's the chance we take.

Fuck it. I'm going to back my gut. VOTE: iDanyboy

Dany why do you think dany is scum based on his hammer of titus. Why do you think scum hammers in that situation

When two other slots have said that they would vote for titus and a 3rd was saying titus was likely scum.

So if dany is scum then at most of those two could be scum. Your slot and trollie.

So why do you think a scum danny hammers titus rather than waiting for a townie to hammer. As if he was scum he woudl know if either both or which one was town.

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Also point us at these posts you mention in the first bit. All you have said what you claim his posts have done but not provided any examples to prove you point. Just looks like shade

Because they basically didn't read Titus as scum (wasn't pushed), didn't think the lynch was a good one (790) and then tried to bus Allo in 810 calling their vote on Titus weird, then hammered Titus immediately after in 811. How are you not getting this? He clearly saw it as an opportunity, took it, and then no-one has questioned him on it? Are you not reading this right? He rode EJ to death who was town. Then hammered Titus, who was town. Then bussed mav when it was clear mav was gone.

Why on earth are you defending them? What is so important to them living in your eyes? Why is it you and Dany arguing with me yet others are not? Why are you so passionate in the defence of it? Why are you picking up arguments he has made (the pushing the lynch) and defending him with it?

In post 1131, bob3141 wrote:Drew-sta if you think dannyi is scum then why do you think he kills allomancer to night rather than next night.

As would nt a player who thinks he couldnt be scum with mav be a boon to a scum dannyi.

Would scum dannyi get rid of a threat to him. Rather than a player he could assuem would town read him after mavs flip

Your english in this is hurting my brain. I'm not sure I'm understanding you properly. But from what I think, Dany kills them because they KNOW Allo is the other neighbour to BB based on Bambi being in BB's neighbourhood. Meaning, it was a clear townie who was talking to people that was targeted. Plus, with Trollie, me and Bambi alive, there was enough doubt you could work in. Allo was clear townie. Getting rid of them meant creating confusion.

In post 1132, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 1125, Drew-Sta wrote:@Dany - I have no idea what the team is. The fact you keep lumping teams together as if one combination only makes sense so you must disregard all others if you're going to push a scumread is, IMHO, an easy way to dismiss concern regarding you. My reads are you, trollie, bambi, bob right now. How that works, I don't know and I don't care. You can twist and distort any theory put together as scum to play down the reality of who you are. My theory on why I think you are scum is based entirely on your posts - not some possible scum team I have to fit you all into for it to be a paradigm can be challenged and allow obfuscation.

Your posts make you scum based off going through the entire thread post by post and working out what you've done. The fact you hammered Titus emphasises that. The fact you sat on EJ who flipped town, and you rammed into him mindlessly emphasises that. You at no point have voted for Mavs, and only jumped on him in D3 I believe because you and mavs knew mavs was likely to get lynched, and starting it off gave you a chance to play the 'I lead the lynch on mavs'. You've formed no read on him really before 767 and there was no reasoning why that was the case, and instead of voting and pushing for him in D2 you instead hammer Titus. It reeks. The fact you've had a scum read on Allo, BBMolla, Titus and EJ who have all turned town is both good enough for me to believe you're either incapable of forming an accurate scumread on the game and leads me to believe you deliberately bussed mav's, since your previous read have been rubbish.

And yes you are changing focus on yourself by identifying other targets you believe I should be pursuing. Do you think mala is scum? Yes. And you have to, in order for me and other townies to push on another mis-lynch that will benefit you. So, you'll draw on her not saying anything to get me to focus on someone else that isn't you. Mala has contributed enough for me that I believe I know where she stands. I may be wrong but that's the chance we take.

Fuck it. I'm going to back my gut. VOTE: iDanyboy
I have not told you who to pursue, all my post's this day have been defending myself apart from one which was me stating my POE. I have only mentioned Mala in response to you because it seemed you were because you wanted a response from him. This seemed odd to me then because you were blaming Gera then Trollie for hammering when Mala the one who you kept saying you wanted a response from posted but ignored me didn't make sense. This is the only time I have brought up Mala in response to you.

Titus was going to be the lynch I don't get how me hammering makes me ssum.
I also don't get why me pushing EJ is scummy. I thought he was scum and I explained why, I was wrong but that doesn't make me scummy. I don't know why you bringing up how wrong I am as a reason to lynch me? I may have bad scum reads but I can still be right some of the time.

I also want to reiterate about mavs that no one was pushing him at all. You're saying I knew mavs was going to be lynched but how? No one was pushing him, no one was mentioning him, he was under no pressure whats so ever. So if your are town you need to read day 2/3 properly. i lynched Titus because it was the lynch there was no changing that. I found mavs scummy on day two and I tried to get a conversation going about him but I wasn't getting anywhere, Titus was going to be the lynch so I hammered. Then I pushed mavs when there was no pressure on him and if you want to dispute this show me some posts of him getting pressure. For me to pressure mav's in that situation if I was scum would make no sense as I had at least one miss lynch opportunity.

This is retarded logic. So you're just happy to lynch townies knowing their townies because it's inevitable? That's scum behaviour right there. If you're town, and you believe someone is town, you don't be part of that lynch. Fucking simple.

Secondly, you pushing EJ is scummy BECAUSE THEY FLIPPED TOWN! Titus was basically lynched for the EJ case she made. Why weren't you when you sat on EJ ALL DAY 1?

You are so presenting as scum.

TLDR - iDany first scum choice. bob second scum choice. Trollie third scum choice. Bambi fourth scum choice but I find less likely.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1138 (isolation #15) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:11 pm

@mod when does Mala get prodded?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1141 (isolation #16) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:01 pm

Your post is difficult to decipher, but at this point in time I genuinely believe the list I gave you.

Are you suggesting otherwise?

Drew-Sta · Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:31 pm

In post 1142, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 1137, Drew-Sta wrote:
Spoiler:
This is retarded logic. So you're just happy to lynch townies knowing their townies because it's inevitable? That's scum behaviour right there. If you're town, and you believe someone is town, you don't be part of that lynch. Fucking simple.

Secondly, you pushing EJ is scummy BECAUSE THEY FLIPPED TOWN! Titus was basically lynched for the EJ case she made. Why weren't you when you sat on EJ ALL DAY 1?

You are so presenting as scum.

TLDR - iDany first scum choice. bob second scum choice. Trollie third scum choice. Bambi fourth scum choice but I find less likely.
1) Are you telling me you have never lynched someone who you though could be town?
2) Bullshit, by this metric everyone in this game is scum. You have to give a reason my push on EJ was scummy.

I think you’re scum who chose me as a miss lynch target and that’s why none of what you say makes any sense.

Spoiler: Answers to Dany's questions

So there's your fucking reason why I think your push on EJ as well as Titus makes you scum.

You have not formed a single argument against what I've said. You've just gone 'No, you're wrong.' Go through and line by line show me where I'm wrong. Not Cats. Don't worry about them. Show me why my read is wrong, then actually put in the effort to show me why ANYONE else is scum.

pedit - OH MY FUCKING GOSH THAT IS THE BIGGEST OMGUS VOTE I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY FUCKING LIFE!

Drew-Sta · Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:52 pm

In post 1145, iDanyboy wrote:Your wrong is an argument, almost everything you said is a fabrication.

Firstly, it's 'you're'.

Secondly, 'You're wrong.' isn't an argument. It's a statement. For it to be an argument, it would have to contain a formulated case. 'Argument - a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory.' So... what are your reasons?

How is it wrong? I have literally quoted your posts. It is actually what you've done in this game.

In post 1146, iDanyboy wrote:There’s no point going line by line through you’re argument because you just going to ignore what I say and push me because your scum.

Which is it - I would ignore you or I am scum? And if I'm scum, why? Show me why!! Actually formulate a reason. Don't just throw shit at the wall.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1158 (isolation #19) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:23 am

In post 1154, geraintm wrote:
In post 1122, Drew-Sta wrote:
In post 1121, iDanyboy wrote:1. I keep highlighting Mal's lack of content because you keep saying you wanted a response from Mala and she has ignored you and yet you're puting your anger elsewhere.
2. I also think you need to re read day 3 because I was the only one that voted Mav's when he had no stink on him and had ample oppurtunity to switch votes because there where two wagons in Bambi and Bob. So in your universe I as scum came out hard pushing my partners after miss lynching two townies? with a misslynch opportunity in Bambi or Bob (as they can't both be my partners). I don't think my day 1 play was dodgy, day 2 you could argue but I think my day 1 was pretty clear.

3. My scum read's come from POE, mav's is dead so we can't lynch him again. I think Bob, Trollie and Ger are town leaving you, Bambi and Mala.

You said ' I basically led the lynch on mavs' and I think anyone that reads it will get the same meaning I did from that and not what you have said now. If anyone pushed him when he had a stink on him it was you not me.

Writing this post has made me realise how disjointed and bad my writing skills are
1. Re trollie: he was on mavs at 3.5. Then got off at 1059, strangely. Then I come along, post my wall, and, acknowledging he did in read my wall and Ger's posts after (1078) which must have included my request to wait for mala in 1068, ends up slamming the hammer after Allo voted in 1079 (with Trollie going on 1093 when it seemed abundantly clear mavs was scum).

That's why I'm angry. Mala not posting is not something I'm angry at. I want their feedback. I'm also wondering if they've been force voted and silenced but I doubt it.

... also, when reading that, it seems fucking clear Trollie is acting suspiciously.

Fuck. That revelation hit me like a truck...

I actually think Trollie is scum guys.

2. Not important after my revelation in 1.

3. Why is Trollie town? Exactly why? I think it's now you, Trollie and mavs.

Why do you keep drawing attention to mala?You are shifting focus here from you and Trollie.
I like that your read on Trolliw got to mine once you looked at their posts. why not vote though?

Because I think iDany is scum.

I have iDany, bob and Trollie in my scum reads. Bambi is a possibility but I don’t think so.

I’ve missed something in the first three in that clearly one of them must be town. The fact I can’t work out which of the three is what has me annoyed (personally).

Bob’s outright attack on me defending iDany is too bold for it to be scum buddying scum. So I’m beginning to think one of those two can’t be scum and trollie might be?

This is the difficult end of things.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1159 (isolation #20) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:23 am

In post 1157, geraintm wrote:
In post 1137, Drew-Sta wrote:TLDR - iDany first scum choice. bob second scum choice. Trollie third scum choice. Bambi fourth scum choice but I find less likely.
this read list is terrible, excepting that I am not on it, that part I like.

Why.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1160 (isolation #21) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:23 am

In post 1155, geraintm wrote:oh man, drew's post 1125 ending with avote for idany is bad.

Why.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1162 (isolation #22) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:25 am

In post 1150, bob3141 wrote:And drew you are pushing a scum read on me. your second strongest infact yet.

You push you scum read on dannyI as if you talking about me being town. You keep say oh danyi your are trying to buddy bob. Yet dont explain why scum even needs to buddy their partner. Scum really only try and buddy town.

So you saying an action scum predominantly do to town is evidence for that player being scum. When if scum did try and buddy someone it would mean they are town.

If you and Dany are scum together, Dany would not want you lynched. Der.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1164 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:29 am

In post 1148, bob3141 wrote:VOTE: Drew-sta

863 was very important. Its one of many examples of cat pushign back against mav being scum read. If you were town you wouldnt try and dismiss it but try and talk about why cat migth of town read mav. But you choose to ignor it.

So you slot only found mav to be scum after mav had given up. And was just failing to try and make it hard for us to find his partner. And you claim credit for the lynch.

You even push danny using the espresso and titus lynch are bad. You fail to explain what you think dannyi motive was. Why he wouldnt simply let a townie hammer if he was scum. Two other not voting had declared intent. For danny to be scum they both cant be town.

Not forgetting day one your slot pushed day one and come day two avoided voting for him. When it was clear he was dead.

Then you mention the flash lynch. You talk about dannyi but ingor all the other slots. What about danny push on espresso did you think was scum motivated. As all i can see in your arguement is that dannyi pushed town. Forgeting that what town often does. Only scum know for sure who town is

I’m not ignoring it. If iDany is apparently allowed to get town reads wrong, why is Cats not allowed to get a scum read wrong? Your logic is flawed.

I don’t need to find a motive why Dany wants EJ dead - if he’s scum, he wants them dead because they’re town. Are you seriously suggesting scum need motive to lynch people?

In post 1149, bob3141 wrote:And your suggestion that i could of been bussing mav is just absurd. Clear attempt to rewiden the lynch pool.

Did mav push on me look any where near SvS?

You even try to claim he was doomed. When i was the second to start pushing him in day 3. Before then he got little slack

Given mav went from budding you D1 to arguing heatedly with you - yes, it did.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1165 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:33 am

In post 1161, geraintm wrote:today feels like trollie and drew are the most likely lynches already.

I have iday as strong town at this stage.

I don't think anyone is reading me as scum at this point, so pleased with that.

/facepalm Why am I scumread by you.

In post 1163, geraintm wrote:
In post 1160, Drew-Sta wrote:
In post 1155, geraintm wrote:oh man, drew's post 1125 ending with avote for idany is bad.
Why.
becase you go from a post that has you almost voting for trollie, to the next going back andvoting for idany. just...if you almost agree with my scum read and then switch to voting for the person I think is most town, that just looks bad.

You realise there are two scum left, right? I firmly believe it is out of dany, bob and trollie.

If you insist on trollie, fine. VOTE: Change Vote trollie but I firmly believe your read on dany is wrong.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1166 (isolation #25) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:35 am

I’m going to bed. Don’t lynch me. I am town. Engage with what I’ve written. Stop just shouting ‘that’s scummy!’ Actually engage with my posts. Scumhunt.

Drew-Sta · Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:50 pm

What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

Drew-Sta · Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:50 pm

UNVOTE: trollie

mala, why haven't you addressed my reads and weighed in on the situation.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1178 (isolation #28) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:08 pm

I'm just in a meeting. I will address other comments shortly. Both bob and iDany have not formulated a defence except 'You're scum' and I want that noted.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1179 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:06 pm

In post 1163, geraintm wrote:
In post 1160, Drew-Sta wrote:
In post 1155, geraintm wrote:oh man, drew's post 1125 ending with avote for idany is bad.
Why.
becase you go from a post that has you almost voting for trollie, to the next going back andvoting for idany. just...if you almost agree with my scum read and then switch to voting for the person I think is most town, that just looks bad.

I disagree. I've been open that I believe Dany and either Trollie or bob are scum. Which of the three I am not sure. But they read that way to me.

It's also interesting to note no-one hammers Trollie.

Agreeing with your scum read should not matter, BTW. I am not here to buddy you. I am not here to sheep with you. I am here to work it out myself and I'll stick to my guns on that. I want town to win and won't have anyone make my decision for me. Frankly, the fat we agree on trollie is good. The fact we agree on iDany is good. We now need the remainder of town to come online and actually contribute so we can vote accordingly.

In post 1168, TheTrollie wrote:Gera take your vote off me now - You can still want to lynch me, fine. But Don't leave me at L-1 before hearing anyhting from me on a critical day - that was not a good call.

I think Mala is scum - re-read the mavs/mala-slot interactions and I certainly cannot rule out the possibility that it was bussing. In fact, I can read it as bussing very easily. Mavs was very wishy washy on those interactions - he wanted to be involved in the discourse but he never really committed much. Plus, I hate overthinking this interaction when I have a good read there

VOTE: mala

The third I am struggling with.

Bambi don't forget you promised me we could talk about ur neighbor claim yesterday!

Tell me why mala is scum. Show me the posts where they bus mavs. Don't ask me to do the work. YOU do the work. Show me. Form an argument.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1180 (isolation #30) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:08 pm

I also find it curious that an eight to ten hour period went past and no-one hammered.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1185 (isolation #31) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:09 am

In post 1182, geraintm wrote:
In post 1176, Drew-Sta wrote:What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

wagons not getting lopped off isn't an indicator of scum/town. we have seen already in this game that some people are very hard to lynch

Titus was. EJ too.

Go back and have a look at the interaction between Dany and Bob. Tell me what you think of it.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1186 (isolation #32) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:09 am

Even Mavs was slammed quickly.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1191 (isolation #33) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:07 pm

In post 1188, bob3141 wrote:
In post 1185, Drew-Sta wrote:
In post 1182, geraintm wrote:
In post 1176, Drew-Sta wrote:What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

wagons not getting lopped off isn't an indicator of scum/town. we have seen already in this game that some people are very hard to lynch
Titus was. EJ too.

Go back and have a look at the interaction between Dany and Bob. Tell me what you think of it.

You still havent answered why you think scum dannyi hammers titus day 2.

All you said is that titus was town. Ignoring the simple fact that he didnt have too.

1. As scum, he wants to lynch town.
2. He asked Bambi for a read in 802, who then read Titus as town. He then reads Allo as scum (effectively) for their behaviour and their vote on Titus, then voted for Titus with virtually the same reasons he just claimed were Allo's and scum based (810, 811) which is completely inconsistent and makes no sense.
3. His vote was simply 'may as well get this over with' which was ridiculous given there was plenty more time to disucss the vote and clear indications Titus was town.
4. He has never read Titus as scum, never built a case on Titus (which was identified by Bambi in 815, yet NO-ONE revisits this in D3 at all. It's like... it just happened and people never thought to question it.

No-one needs to hammer. But hammering and making a lynch happen is a significant action of intent. How he did it was so blase and without reason that I wonder WTF it was all about.

The fact he has now OMGUS'd me I've pulled a case together on him is clear he is under pressure and trying to mislynch me. The fact he HASN'T lynched Trollie at L-1 despite scum reading him at 290, then flip flopping and reading him town at 349, then flip flopping again and reading him scum at 936, 976, 1005. So why didn't he hammer someone when he had a choice?

He then backed away from his read it appears and simply quoted a Bambi, Bob, Trollie scum team (two of which had not posted much in Bob and Bambi at that point - 1074), then flipped to Mala, Bambi, me (VOTE: 1121) and the consistency in all that is he picks people who aren't very active (bob, mala, bambi at various times) and someone else (trollie and me).

His reads are baseless, and they have no merit to them. It is very, very clear.

In post 1188, bob3141 wrote:All you doing is shading who ever scum reads you. As soon as you got two votes you hopped onto trollie and only when no one would hammer did you unvote

I was proving a point that scum is aware that hammering now is under scrutiny and aware that people are watching the hammer. They won't hammer to prevent attention being drawn.

I'm going to again vote, and it will be VOTE: iDany because I believe he is mafia and there is not much left I can do to prove that except vote and persist in the vote.

The silence is deafening, though.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1192 (isolation #34) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:24 pm

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1201 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:06 pm

Do people realise no activity works to scum’s favour here?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1204 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:25 pm

They're ok with a no lynch as it will end up getting them a step closer to their win.

Can the two of you vote for someone please?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1207 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:43 pm

I’m seriously waiting for someone to talk.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1220 (isolation #38) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:38 pm

In post 1211, geraintm wrote:Drew-sta

up to when I last did a serious look at people, I did not like Drew's game at all. Their vote on trollie, and unvote and then using the fact that they weren't hammered whilst at L-1 as a data point, well, I don't like at all.
Because of their continued focus on idany - who I consider my strongest town read - I just have them in the scumhalf of the game

You've not once given a solid read on me except that you read iDany town and you disagree with me. Actually show me why you believe I am scum if you believe it.

In post 1212, geraintm wrote:idany

as I have said, I have them as town. so I am biased in my read of them and I know this.
the whole argument with drew is...annoying to watch as it is all that is going on in the game, mostly because the rest of us are being useless. they are butting heads and no one is jumping in to help. my contribution was to tell drew that I just straight up thing he is wrong about idany and should leave it, but that hasn't worked at all. I am also 97% sure idany isn't going to get lynched today so drew is wasting their time.

I don't want the lynch today to be due ot inactivity though, which is where I fear today is heading.

Telling me straight up you think someone is town without giving a reason is NOT a reason for me to believe you on.

The fact you are convinced iDany is not going to get lynched makes me very suspicious of you. How do you know that? Why do you know that? The current flow of the game is toward mafia. They have momentum. What they are doing is working. Thus, changing the trajectory of the game requires us to change the feel of the game if we're going to win. You saying it is not going to happen identifies the momentum is with mafia and that you both know that and are effectively running with it.

This is very suspicious to me.

In post 1213, geraintm wrote:bob - I think their scum reads are drew and trollie, their posts are very simple posts stating facts, no emotional long rants. I like their posting style. I have them in the town pile too, just not as much as idany.

the game feels like drew and trollie are under pressure together and their posts are as not as well reasoned as the others who are posting in the game.
I would rather trollie lynched today then drew, but I don't think enough people agree with me on that.
but we need bambi and mala to join in the game

My gosh... so the scum team is Trollie and I? And we're literally in a team together? And you conclude this knowing how D3 went and how much of a rant I went on for Mavs to be dunked?

In post 1217, bob3141 wrote:I wasnt lying that as scum i would of never killed tweet night 1. The player i would of got the scum team to kill would of been allomancer.

This is both WIFOM and unprovable.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1224 (isolation #39) » Fri May 01, 2020 1:45 am

You’ve never done reaction tests, Ger?

I find it sus you believe there is no basis for iDany.

Fuck it. I’m tired of arguing. Vote me or vote someone. I’ll sheep just to prove you’re wrong. It’s clear town are simply not invested in this.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1228 (isolation #40) » Fri May 01, 2020 3:10 am

lol Bambi.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1242 (isolation #41) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:09 pm

In post 1241, Malakittens wrote:I don’t really get the bob votes considering how much both mav and
Him
Went after each other

A good way to keep town believing you're not scum is to argue with your mafia partner when you know it's likely they'll be lynched.

You know that.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 03, 2020 12:22 am

I don't even have the energy to deal with this anymore. I know it's poor form but I'm finally in agreement with iDany on something.

UNVOTE: iDany
VOTE: Drew

Get it done and sort this shit out in the next phase. The complete and abject lack of involvement from people has killed this for me.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 03, 2020 12:32 am

In post 1246, bob3141 wrote:
In post 1242, Drew-Sta wrote:
In post 1241, Malakittens wrote:I don’t really get the bob votes considering how much both mav and
Him
Went after each other
A good way to keep town believing you're not scum is to argue with your mafia partner when you know it's likely they'll be lynched.

You know that.
If you are town that is just bad.

I seriously cant beleive any townie would ever think bob v mav was SvS.

Oh you have yet to say what about it even makes you think it was SvS. Your full of headlines but lacking any substance

quote parts drew where you have come to conclusion that it was scum theater. Tell us how you have coem to that conclusion and what in them makes you think that.

All it looks like to me is that your trying to shade the least likely player to be partnered with mav.

And you have yet to say why you think a scum team of danny and bob kills allomancer. A player that had ruled them out as being scum with mav.

No it is not bad you muppet. Honestly. If you really are town then you're as dense as a wall. If you are scum then well done, you have completely annoyed my out of the game with your inane posts.

967, 970, 977 - bus.

980 bus.

Also mav why do you suddenly think it could be germa and bambi when only a few days ago on 17th the you said

"@bob3141: again, with the black and white on Bambi. I’m unsure of Bambi like I’m unsure on Allomancer and Geraintm. I feel as though they could all be considered to be low posting/lurking right now. And have done little since day 2. "

in post 915

1011 bus.

One thing i keep coming back to when trying to read the mav slot is that he is being ever so selective in which questions he answered. Ignoring other entirely

1034, 1035 bus.

Scum is in iDany, bob as first picks. One is definitely there. Second is possibly trollie, mala.

I'm done. I'll prodge until something happens. But this game frustrates me so much right now.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 03, 2020 11:57 am

In post 1251, Malakittens wrote:
In post 1248, Drew-Sta wrote:I don't even have the energy to deal with this anymore. I know it's poor form but I'm finally in agreement with iDany on something.

UNVOTE: iDany
VOTE: Drew

Get it done and sort this shit out in the next phase. The complete and abject lack of involvement from people has killed this for me.
....

Please tell me this is a joke.

No. I'm tired of the headache this causes. Both iDany and Bob want me lynched. I'm town. So lynching me will at the fucking least show everyone there is a problem with the way they're behaving.

In post 1252, bob3141 wrote:So you refuse to answer my questions.

You pick handful of posts and dont explain how they contributed to the conclusion you claim to have had. Ignoring 90% of mine and mavs interactiosn at the same time.

And stop acting childish. There is no need to insult. Especially when your beign called out for your bad logic. And you actualy cant explain how you got there.

I DID NOT REFUSE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS! I PICKED POSTS THAT SHOWED YOU BUSSING MAVS AS I HAVE SAID YOU DID! WHAT PART OF THIS VERY BASIC, ENGLISH SENTENCE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

You read mavs town in 180. No votes on him ALL the game and engages with him like town, only begins to turn when mavs is obvs scum and the lynch is inevitable.

There's other breadcrumbs, guys. Seriously.

MT reads Bob scum in 618 - ends up dead N1. Gee, I wonder why.

Bob says he always tries to kill power roles at night - 835. Both molla and Allo end up dead in N2/N3. Gee, I wonder why.

In post 1253, bob3141 wrote:Like serously if your town how can you in million years ever think me vs mav was SvS.

AtE.

In post 1254, bob3141 wrote:Drew if you think danny and bob is teh scum team.

Then why do you think trollie wasnt lynched earlier this day. As that would mean from teh pov you claim to have that the trollie lynch was all town. If teh trollie lynch was all town why wouldnt scum hammer him. And guaranteed to get to lylo without losing another scum?

YOU KNOW that people are watching the hammer. You're not at Lylo yet and you HAVE to get this day phase AND next day phase over the line for you to win. So you won't hammer as you know it will validate my entire fucking argument.

If we were really at lylo, given I am at L-1, why wouldn't scum hammer?

In post 1255, bob3141 wrote:And even if after you unvoted. Why do you think no one would add their vote pushing it back to l-1.

How can you reconcile your claimed belief that the two scum are voting you. Over the fact that with the deadlock why wouldnt atleast one switch to trollie.

As if you are saying bob and danny are scum. Then you are saying you think trollie is town. And if that is the case why do you think no one has jumped on it other than germa and mala. Who you are caliming that you dont think are scum.

I've explained this. The fact you keep speaking of yourself in the third person is odd.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 03, 2020 11:59 am

I'm so over thinking about this. My head hurts. I could be fucking wrong on all this but fuck me this game has mind fucked my head. Well done Cakez. I'm officially head fucked.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 03, 2020 12:27 pm

In post 1261, TheTrollie wrote:drew vote idanny put them on L-1 im down for that, use ur vote for something usefull

Fine. I'm over it.

UNVOTE: Drew-Sta
VOTE: iDany

If you're mafia, BTW, then there's a Liam Neeson movie depicting what I'm going to do to you...

In post 1262, bob3141 wrote:
In post 601, bob3141 wrote:
In post 577, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 575, bob3141 wrote:There is no reason for scum to push against my wagon unless they themselves wanted my vote. And if the player they were pushing was on my wagon. They could hardly call me scum at the same time.

They couldnt support my push as that would alienate those one the wagon. Especially if they felt that following would just look bad on them.

Yet at the same time if they got their target lynched. They could always swing back and try and revive the my wagon on that players flip.
Who are you talking about here?

mav

if im right mav will hop onto my flash wagon.
Drew it should already of been clear day oen that i was scum reading mav

It took you 600 posts to read him scum, and you also read him town earlier in the day so I don't believe it. Others had called for mav before you also.

You don't convince me at all.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1270 (isolation #47) » Sun May 03, 2020 2:35 pm

In post 1265, bob3141 wrote:
In post 1263, Drew-Sta wrote:
In post 1261, TheTrollie wrote:drew vote idanny put them on L-1 im down for that, use ur vote for something usefull
Fine. I'm over it.

UNVOTE: Drew-Sta
VOTE: iDany

If you're mafia, BTW, then there's a Liam Neeson movie depicting what I'm going to do to you...

In post 1262, bob3141 wrote:
In post 601, bob3141 wrote:
In post 577, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 575, bob3141 wrote:There is no reason for scum to push against my wagon unless they themselves wanted my vote. And if the player they were pushing was on my wagon. They could hardly call me scum at the same time.

They couldnt support my push as that would alienate those one the wagon. Especially if they felt that following would just look bad on them.

Yet at the same time if they got their target lynched. They could always swing back and try and revive the my wagon on that players flip.
Who are you talking about here?

mav

if im right mav will hop onto my flash wagon.
Drew it should already of been clear day oen that i was scum reading mav
It took you 600 posts to read him scum, and you also read him town earlier in the day so I don't believe it. Others had called for mav before you also.

You don't convince me at all.

So in your view how does this lead to the conclusion that you believe bob v mav was SvS

You have done nothing more do exactly what mav did. Refuse to answer at every turn and just reiterate your first stance.

Explain why you think said posts are scum bussing scum. Rather than what should be evident to all town pushing scum.

There is no way your town this game. I just cant see any towny making the mistakes in reading the gamestate that your are to have read.

You bus him. How many times do I need to say that. You could see the writing on the wall, and you bus him so people will town read you.

Fuck me... am I speaking French or something?

Drew-Sta · Mon May 04, 2020 12:25 am

You're literally on another planet, mate.

What part of 'You were bussing mav's to look town' don't you comprehend?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1281 (isolation #49) » Mon May 04, 2020 3:35 pm

@bob - I've literally been over this a half dozen times. ISO me. I'm not rewriting it again only for you to dismiss me for not explaining things for the umpteenth time.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1283 (isolation #50) » Mon May 04, 2020 9:14 pm

It’s fine Bambi. I totally understand. Trollie, please do the honours and get this done. I’ve failed in trying to help town and I’d like to keep things moving.

Claiming VT. If scum are not in iDany and bob (one at least) then I really have fucked this up.

Goodnight.

Drew-Sta · Tue May 05, 2020 10:53 am

Can I please self hammer and get this shitfight moving? Honestly. Someone just pull the trigger.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1293 (isolation #52) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:18 pm

FFS. Either believe me or lynch me. I can't take much more of this.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1295 (isolation #53) » Tue May 05, 2020 4:56 pm

In post 1294, Bambi Jay wrote:Bob your torturing the man. But for some reason he didn't self hammer out of the kindness of his heart. So that's nice.

I'd have done it but I've seen on this site that self hammering is a faux pas and didn't want to ruin the game for others.

Plus, I think it's more important for someone hammer, as given I'm VT, it will give you something next phase.

Drew-Sta · Wed May 06, 2020 10:21 am

Many questions. Head hurt.

Trollie, I’ve responded.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1311 (isolation #55) » Wed May 06, 2020 1:37 pm

L-1. Can we get agreement that iDanny is the agreed lynch? If not, I’d prefer you lynch me.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1315 (isolation #56) » Wed May 06, 2020 8:24 pm

In post 1314, TheTrollie wrote:here comes scumpartner mala to save the day for town!

Eh? She just called him scum.

Who’s hammering?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1316 (isolation #57) » Wed May 06, 2020 8:24 pm

Is iDany going to claim?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1334 (isolation #58) » Thu May 07, 2020 2:37 pm

Prodge.

We’re running out of time. Can someone please do or say something? I have nothing more to add except what I’ve added.

If I don’t survive the night (likely) please look into bob and iDany.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 10, 2020 10:21 am

Someone targeted the killer last night.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 10, 2020 12:01 pm

In post 1360, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 1359, bob3141 wrote:
In post 1358, Drew-Sta wrote:Someone targeted the killer last night.
what makes you think that
Ditto. Seems weird for the PR to stay quiet for so long, only to come out in MyLo. Unless your claiming it Drew. But I guess you would've claimed it before you got hung, so... Eh.

Because mafia has killed each night but last night they did not.

Not claiming the role BTW.

I need to go do some serious reading. I royally fucked up iDany and I clearly need to go fix my reads.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1363 (isolation #61) » Sun May 10, 2020 2:09 pm

As in, no vote, head to night?

Not sure that benefits us.

I am rethinking my view on Trollie and Ger. Possibly also Mala but less convinced there. iDanny flipping town has fucked my head.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1370 (isolation #62) » Sun May 10, 2020 5:12 pm

It’s trollie. I was waiting for his first post and it pretty much confirmed it for me.

I’ll go back and ISO to confirm but I have a feeling it’s trollie.

Drew-Sta · Tue May 12, 2020 12:08 am

Prodge.

I'll have time in the next day or two to get to this.

Don't end the phase.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1393 (isolation #64) » Tue May 12, 2020 1:31 pm

In post 1392, TheTrollie wrote:no one will explain why they are against a mass claim?

Because scum will use that against us. Duh...

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1395 (isolation #65) » Tue May 12, 2020 3:14 pm

In post 1394, TheTrollie wrote:how can they use it against us. they have to choose whose narative to confirm.
duh...

Because they're at a point where they control the narrative. Double duh.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1407 (isolation #66) » Wed May 13, 2020 3:01 pm

I won't have time to really work through this until Sunday AU time. So, frankly, I'm just keen to move on with this game and forget it ever happened.

I believe it's trollie. I believe I got it wrong about trollie before, and I vastly fucked up iDany and likely bob. I'm somewhat believing Ger is the other based on 1403 as how would he know scum can hammer the no lynch now (there are two left) if he didn't know bob was town.

Thus. I'm going with gut and I'll probably get my pants pulled down but fuck it - life's too short to agonise over this.

VOTE: TheTrollie

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1410 (isolation #67) » Wed May 13, 2020 7:22 pm

You did say that about Bambi.

So you’re either lying or not.

Mala thinks Bambi is scum, and possibly Trollie. Cats thought Bambi was sus too. Same as Allo.

UNVOTE: TheTrollie

I don’t fucking know anymore.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1411 (isolation #68) » Wed May 13, 2020 7:28 pm

Can you guys just lynch me so we can move on with life? It’s clear noone cares any more.

Drew-Sta · Thu May 14, 2020 12:54 pm

In post 1419, Malakittens wrote:
In post 1411, Drew-Sta wrote:Can you guys just lynch me so we can move on with life? It’s clear noone cares any more.
If you’re town this is a shitty attitude.
If you’re Scum then someone needs to go at your bluff.

Agree it is a shitty attitude.

I’m sorry. I’m just frustrated.

Drew-Sta · Thu May 14, 2020 12:54 pm

@trollie

Are you saying bob white knighted iDany?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1439 (isolation #71) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:13 pm

bob, if you were to vote for someone, who would it be?

Drew-Sta · Sat May 16, 2020 10:25 am

Bambi - who is your vote? I feel like you just sheep.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1457 (isolation #73) » Sun May 17, 2020 9:55 pm

I need to iso a few people...

Drew-Sta · Mon May 18, 2020 12:44 am

Can you explain again how a no lynch helps?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1464 (isolation #75) » Mon May 18, 2020 3:23 am

In post 1460, bob3141 wrote:Its just that evens are better for scum. And scum choose to no kill so lynch today is actualy in their interest.

While nolynch atleast forces scum to remove one player.

drew are you saying you dont want to no lynch

Not necessarily. Just not sure what it achieves.

We’re basically giving scum a free kick with no trail to follow for a day.

It doesn’t seem wise but I accept the logic.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1469 (isolation #76) » Mon May 18, 2020 9:36 am

That’s the key question though. Did the masons bring in mafia to their neighbourhoods. The odds are yes.

Drew-Sta · Mon May 18, 2020 11:31 am

In post 1472, TheTrollie wrote:
In post 1464, Drew-Sta wrote:
In post 1460, bob3141 wrote:Its just that evens are better for scum. And scum choose to no kill so lynch today is actualy in their interest.

While nolynch atleast forces scum to remove one player.

drew are you saying you dont want to no lynch
Not necessarily. Just not sure what it achieves.

We’re basically giving scum a free kick with no trail to follow for a day.

It doesn’t seem wise but I accept the logic.
Today is mylo. There are 6 players left (4 town, 2 scum most likely). We have a 2/3 (66%) chance of lynching town and losing the game.
If we no lynch we go into tomorrow with 5 left (3 town, 2 scum). We will have a 3/5 (60%) chance of lynching town and losing the game.

Our odds are better tomorrow. Thats why we no lynch.

Yeah, ok. Presented like that it is clear. There's just something about it which bugs me.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1476 (isolation #78) » Mon May 18, 2020 3:09 pm

In post 1404, TheTrollie wrote:I’m a disloyal rolestopper. I targeted Bambi N2 and she was neighborized that night by BB. Unless i was roleblocked (mavs was a 1-shot rb but I doubt he used it on me N2), Bambi couldn’t have been neighborized if she were scum.
N1 I targeted Allo
N2 - Bambi (as mentioned)
N3 - iDany
N4 - Bob

OK goodnight. I am not gonna hammer unless everyone claims but i'm done until then.

These were his actions, bob.

Drew-Sta · Tue May 19, 2020 11:51 am

What is a disloyal rolestopper? I understand the rolestopper part but not the disloyal part.

Drew-Sta · Tue May 19, 2020 11:52 am

What is a disloyal rolestopper? I understand the rolestopper part but not the disloyal part.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1488 (isolation #81) » Tue May 19, 2020 3:10 pm

In post 1487, Malakittens wrote:So wouldn’t that make Bambi scum?

I believe so.

Am I understanding that right?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1490 (isolation #82) » Tue May 19, 2020 6:36 pm

I no longer feel like I can be helpful for town. I’m going to VOTE: no lynch in a bid to do the right thing according to what people are suggesting.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1496 (isolation #83) » Wed May 20, 2020 3:07 pm

So what is the consensus here - we no lynch?

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1503 (isolation #84) » Sat May 23, 2020 2:16 pm

Well, that achieved a lot...

Drew-Sta · Sun May 24, 2020 10:14 am

VOTE: Geraintm

Drew-Sta · Sun May 24, 2020 10:14 am

Another no lynch gets us nowhere. I am seeing what bob says.
I’m willing to try.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 24, 2020 12:22 pm

In post 1523, bob3141 wrote:Are the 2 two neighbourhoods

trollie, drew and malla

with bambi in seperate one. Is that right?

Correct re Trollie, myself and Mala. Allo was original.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1527 (isolation #88) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:11 pm

Espressojet (7) -
iDanyboy
,
Titus
, Bambi Jay, bob3141,
mavsfan41
, geraintm,
BBmolla

bob3141 (2) -
Morning Tweet, Allomancer

TheTrollie (1) - Malakittens
Titus (1) - Cat Scratch Fever

Morning Tweet NK

Titus (6) -
Allomancer
, geraintm,
mavsfan41
,
BBmolla
, bob3141,
IDanyboy

Not voting (5) - TheTrollie,
Titus
, Bambi Jay, Cat Scratch Fever, Malakittens

BBMolla NK

mavsfan41 (5) -
iDanyboy
, bob3141, geraintm,
Allomancer
, TheTrollie
geraintm (2) - Malakittens, mavsfan41
bob3141 (1) - Bambi Jay

Allo NK

iDanyboy (4) - Drew-Sta, TheTrollie, Bambi Jay, bob3141
TheTrollie (2) - geraintm, Malakittens
Drew-Sta (1) -
iDanyboy

Posting to give reference.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1528 (isolation #89) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:19 pm

In post 349, iDanyboy wrote:VOTE: BB

Where I feel the best.

Town

bob3141
TheTrollie
Morning Tweet

Unsure

mavsfan41
Skellen
Cat Scratch Fever
Bambi Jay

Scummy

Paragon
Allomancer

More Scummy

Espressojet
geraintm
BBmolla

In post 976, iDanyboy wrote:Trollie is just messing with my head, His post just get scummier and scummier, It feels like a Trollie bambi team, he thought Bambi was the lynch then realized it wasn't and un voted. Now suddenly Mav's is his strongest scum read?

In post 839, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 657, Morning Tweet wrote:BB/Allo/Danyboy is my town block for the end of the day. Mavs and Mala-Madoka-Skelly are runner-ups.

In post 618, Morning Tweet wrote:Bob is my favourite lynch but I can compromise to Titus/Bambi/Espresso as the timer drains. I don't reaaly wanna vote mavs, iDany, or gerain
Since he said he didn't want to lynch Mav or gerain you could reduce it even more to Bambi, Bob, Troliie, CSF.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1529 (isolation #90) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:31 pm

In post 740, Titus wrote:
In post 665, geraintm wrote:Ok, a lot went on yesterday.
I've gone through all the votes since the idany wagon fell apart

CSF started a move to EJ, but then followed MT to Titus and BBmola joined. This threesome are the "Gotta Lynch" party
Titus and Bambi went to EJ

That didn't get very far, so THe Gotta Lynch party all switched to Titus, with Allomancer joining as a 4th. Titus claimed, and the EJ still voted.
Then BBmola and MT switched back to bob

EJ placed a random vote onto Malakitten in there too.

I think the only things going on right now are a second start of a wagon on Bob, the Titus wagon that will fall apart and apair of votes on EJ.

I don't like allomancer slot at all. a bunch of posts in their history like this

In post 616, Allomancer wrote:I'd be willing to lynch bob or mavsfan right now. I still need someone to convince me on trollie or espresso.

In post 648, Allomancer wrote:I really don't like Titus at this point, 638 feels like OMGUS, which is odd so close to deadline. MT has a good point about the Titus's associations being conspiracy-theory-esque.
VOTE: Titus

and slipped in as a 4th vote on a wagon. People asking to be persuaded is never a good look for me.
I think the "gotta lynch" group should be left alone. I don't have time now to do much more thinking as I realise time is now tight. going to VOTE: allomancer
This post came when Bob was being fast wagoned after I claimed VT.

Allomancer had zero chance of being the lynch.

In order of confidence based on this

Geriatm
Bob
Allomancer's other scumreads

This reads like Geratim taking a shot for a mislynch on a threat against scum + saving Bob

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1530 (isolation #91) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:37 pm

In post 146, Morning Tweet wrote:from town impressions to not town impressions

Paragon, CatScratch, Allomancer - lean town
iDany - ungngngng
BBmolla, Trollie - undecided
Skellen - lesser iffy
gerain, bob - more iffy

If i’m calling my shots right, the two lurkers (Expresso + Vig) are going to end up being both town. Just a theory of mine tho and obviously will be overrided once they actually start posting

In post 618, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 604, TheTrollie wrote:I'd vote titus

I would vote bob for the lolz but I recall having strong townread on him from the beginning.

I'll still also vote bambi too?

I had a really strong townread on mavs from page 1.

I will vote with BB but I'm going to hold on putting that vote on Bob for a few hrs because I would prefer Madoka, Titus, Bambi...maybe even espressojet, idanny, gerain to bob.

But I'd have to reread the whole Bob thing from early in the day before I do anything other than be the 7th vote on bob and I sorta don't want to spend my time doing that.

So - i guess either wagon someone on my list above or get that wagon to 6 and I'll post intent.
@Titus
l think saying "I'll vote bob but I'd rather vote anyone else out of these 7" is fair given the state of the timer.

Bob is my favourite lynch but I can compromise to Titus/Bambi/Espresso as the timer drains. I don't reaaly wanna vote mavs, iDany, or gerain

In post 663, Morning Tweet wrote:VOTE: Bob
yay!!!!!!

In post 666, Morning Tweet wrote:join us on the conquest for lynching bob

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1531 (isolation #92) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:38 pm

In post 993, Allomancer wrote:I'm getting less and less convinced of mavs being scum. The interactions around Trollie and Dany w/ regards to mavs just seem a bit fishy. I'm sure at least one of those three is scum, but I'm no longer sure which.
UNVOTE:

In post 1004, Allomancer wrote:Okay I have identified 5 likely scumteams. Others are possible, but not as likely.

Mala+Bambi+Trollie
Mala+Bambi+Dany
Trollie+bob+Dany
Trollie+bob+Mala
mavs+Trollie+Mala

Mala and Trollie are each in 4 of these. Given that I lean slightly more scum on Trollie than on Mala, VOTE: Trollie

In post 1009, Allomancer wrote:I don't see mavs and danny both being scum together, and I said why in 996. I said it couldn't be mala+bambi+mavs based on mala agreeing with your 957, assuming it doesn't make sense for scum to try and bus both of their partners. However, now that I look back, the "I'm leaning trollie if one of these are town" does cast doubt. Given that she's voting gerain, it's very possible she planned on lynching gerain, and then pivoting to you rather than lynching the other two. So I guess mala+bambi+mavs could very well be a possibility.

I mainly came up with these teams based on interactions that I thought looked like two scum and then looking at who they could be paired with. The first two scumteams came from Bambi/Mala interactions and the second two came from Trollie/Bob interactions. I'm not actually sure why I put the last scumteam in, to be quite honest. I just thought mavs was scummy enough that he deserved to be a suspect and I constructed the only one that made sense with him in it.

Now that Mala+bambi+mavs is on the table, however, I take back what I said about it can't be mavs+bambi. That's another scumteam to suspect based off of Bambi/mavs interaction.

So the new list:

Mala+Bambi+Trollie
Mala+Bambi+Dany
Trollie+bob+Dany
Trollie+bob+Mala
Mala+Bambi+mavs

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1532 (isolation #93) » Sun May 24, 2020 7:41 pm

In post 284, BBmolla wrote:
mavsfan41
- Town

iDanyboy
- scum

geraintm
- scum

Espressojet
- scum

BBmolla*
- town

bob3141
- lyncher

TheTrollie
- town

Allomancer
- town

Skellen
- scum

Morning Tweet
- town

Cat Scratch Fever
- town

Bambi Jay

Vigneshwar
- town

Paragon
- town

Bored to Death

Events

Day 1 begins/VC 1.0 | VC 1.1 | VC 1.2 | VC 1.3 | VC 1.4 | VC 1.5 | VC 1.6 | VC 1.7[/align]

Apparently my last post didn’t count as content so here you go

With girlfriend all day cause haven’t seen her in a week more later

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1533 (isolation #94) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:03 pm

There's a lot I don't quite understand.

BB hard claims in 358 he's a mason but doesn't get NK'd. Scum choose to kill MT. MT had:

Paragon, CatScratch, Allomancer

- lean town

iDany

- ungngngng
BBmolla, Trollie - undecided
Skellen - lesser iffy
gerain, bob - more iffy

As their read list.

Sure, BB was in their undecided list.

I honestly think there's something in mala, bob, gerain.

Given what Allo had posted too, Skellen (mala) was part of their equations.

Drew-Sta · Post Post #1534 (isolation #95) » Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 pm

Mav's votes:

Bob
iDanny
BBmolla
Madoka (Mala)
Espressojet
Titus

The Titus vote goes through, so be aware. His votes then are:

bob
mala
bambi
ger
idanny
cats
bambi
allo
ger

He never votes Trollie.

Drew-Sta · Mon May 25, 2020 12:34 am

I'm rereading the Neighborhood. One of Allo's posts mentioned that Bambi knew who BB had left a note for (which she acknowledged she did) and that if Allo ended up dead, that either mala or Bambi would be the likely killers.

Neither mala nor trollie have posted in there since.

I would like to know why.

Drew-Sta · Mon May 25, 2020 12:48 am

Ger, can you explain this:

In post 698, geraintm wrote:sorry for being really dim, this is the first game I've ever been in with a Private Thread Cop.

PT Cops are useful for finding groupings of players, but cannot say if they are scum or not - so in this game with masons it would identify if they were be in eithe rof these two groups but not alignment.

why would scum have this, unless there were multiple groupings of players not scum? I can understand scum making this claim once Mason is claimed, but I can't see why you would believe the claim but think they might be scum too? if you believe it, I don't see why they would be scum?

or please explain where my logic goes wrong

Not sure what it means.

I note below you only ever voted for mav's once. There was no real scum read of him otherwise.

Also, if you're convinced of trollie, why not vote him now?

In post 343, geraintm wrote:gone over Mavsfan's posts, to see how they compare to Game 2121
Pretty much the same. Actualy butting heads with the same player in both - Bob - which is weird. But I cannot find anything about the style of posting that feels off.

as for voting for Dany - he goes through a couple of their earlier posts and finds them strange. looking at them now, they feel kinda in keeping with the rest of Dany's post. But I wouldn't have know that at the time.
there is little original thought coming from Dany though. 114 looks at some people's 1st posts, and after that ther eisa question for others about someone and then agreeing with someone else about their posting. nothing about MT since Monday, they've dropped that...

In post 665, geraintm wrote:Ok, a lot went on yesterday.
I've gone through all the votes since the idany wagon fell apart

CSF started a move to EJ, but then followed MT to Titus and BBmola joined. This threesome are the "Gotta Lynch" party
Titus and Bambi went to EJ

That didn't get very far, so THe Gotta Lynch party all switched to Titus, with Allomancer joining as a 4th. Titus claimed, and the EJ still voted.
Then BBmola and MT switched back to bob

EJ placed a random vote onto Malakitten in there too.

I think the only things going on right now are a second start of a wagon on Bob, the Titus wagon that will fall apart and apair of votes on EJ.

I don't like allomancer slot at all. a bunch of posts in their history like this

In post 616, Allomancer wrote:I'd be willing to lynch bob or mavsfan right now. I still need someone to convince me on trollie or espresso.

In post 648, Allomancer wrote:I really don't like Titus at this point, 638 feels like OMGUS, which is odd so close to deadline. MT has a good point about the Titus's associations being conspiracy-theory-esque.
VOTE: Titus

and slipped in as a 4th vote on a wagon. People asking to be persuaded is never a good look for me.
I think the "gotta lynch" group should be left alone. I don't have time now to do much more thinking as I realise time is now tight. going to VOTE: allomancer

In post 684, geraintm wrote:VOTE: espresso jet

In post 708, geraintm wrote:VOTE: titus
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and vote for you.

In post 989, geraintm wrote:just rereading trollies posts

I have no idea what they are on about

I wrote this ages ago

In post 382, geraintm wrote:ok, gone through The Trollie posts.
there is a lot of flipping around, a lot of posts saying they would be happy to move their vote, some gentle encouragement for others to join their vote. all without huge amounts of evidence

this is the person I am finding the mos suspicious. so guess i'll VOTE: trollies
I am going to pick out things they post and just comment on them

In post 649, TheTrollie wrote:
In post 600, bob3141 wrote:A flash wagon on me is always a bad choice. Leave me to day 4 and i almost always solve minis.

P.s. some times on the night i die
Waiting for a vc but down for this

In post 754, TheTrollie wrote: Second this.

But also if titus is town mala may be scum
Wait…trollies did turn up Town. If I was looking at trollies in a bad light this could look like scum setting up a 2nd lynch

In post 756, TheTrollie wrote:Why might u be scum? Bc ive scum read ur slot the whole game and think u jumped on the titus shit slightly too aggressively for someone who was townreading titus and have a rapport with her

But dont worry mala - i think titus is scum so ur fine.
This was posted whilst they were not voting for Titus by the way

In post 792, TheTrollie wrote:Yeah ok BB is right.

Intent to hammer - I'm obv not waiting on a claim but I'll let some ppl who havent had a chance to weigh in on this speak before i hammer.
Intent to hammer titus here

In post 801, TheTrollie wrote:Mala - I agree with you to an extent. like - it was a horrible claim as town or scum and I just don't know why scumtitus would do that

but I have to say I am not feeling very good about the silence, the problem is we will not get anywhere until titus flips at this point, esp without titus saying more

I'll prob vote next time im on here. I'd love to hear from titus and more from mala about alternate ways to use this time first but D2 will drag on like this if we dont get it over with.
There nex tpost, nearly 24 hours later, note not a hammer, note how they are starting to feel bad about their impending lynch of titus

In post 905, TheTrollie wrote:id vote gerain, Bambi, mala, or idanny today - sorta would like to keep mala around but like - still not convinced that slot is town.

i guess id vote outside of those but the rest of the players im feeling are prob town
The above post I think sets out they are willing to vote for anyone at all.
I have not seen any real…evidence based thinking from trolliw at all at any point in the game about why they read people as scum. I said way way back I found trollies very easy to flip flop with their votes, and that hasn’t changed at all.

In post 927, TheTrollie wrote:
In post 913, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:sorry I've been swamped at work lately

I will get to this tonight. Did anyone get around to checking bob's scum meta? If not, I can do it later
Did you ever do this? Bob's last post strikes me as literally the same shit Bob was up to D1 w the "partners with" thing
More asking others to do work so they can follow their lead

In post 939, TheTrollie wrote:i think bambi is scum.

bob's posts are really town

but i also think gerain could be scum so i dont like that their on that wagon along with mavs who people are scumreading. so i sorta dont wanna vote there
huh? Why do they think bambi is scum? Why do they think I am scum? They mentioned us two in post 905 as scum, but I don’t ever understand why

then the 941/942 instant vote unvote on bambi

In post 944, TheTrollie wrote:oh this is very fun (the VC - and seeing that im the only one not voting)

So - I thin Bob is town, and a mixture of my townread's scumreads and my own scumreads basically make up his entire wagon which is nice to know and makes me feel good about those reads.

I have been townreading mavs since d1 and maybe I have to re-asses, idk...

and then there's mala who is voting gerain. hmm.
another post which I already questioned because it is possible for any player to put everyone in a scum list if basing it on their own scum reads or other people’s scum reads

In post 946, TheTrollie wrote:
I'm really down for a bambi lynch today - i was down with that d1 too.

Allo/Id what is the mavs case?
Really down for a bambilynch

In post 950, TheTrollie wrote:Ok i dig it VOTE: mavsfan

I also dig bambi 4 today and then the other scum is prob gerain/mala
Wait, next post they are voting for Mavs, because someone else proved their case?

A few more after this.

Bascally, I am going to vote for trollies. I don’t like their waffling, I don’t like how they set up all their votes well in advance, they like being led to votes, but actually leave themselves wiggle room if people turn out town. If they flip scum, I would want to look at bob after I think (trollies is one of the few people to never place a vote there) but right now happy to go here VOTE: thetrollie

In post 1054, geraintm wrote:VOTE: mavsfan

In post 1101, geraintm wrote:
In post 1055, geraintm wrote:
In post 1051, TheTrollie wrote:Mala/Mavs/Bambi?

I'll vote mavs...theres a reason his wagon cant get to 4 today.
I still have trollies down as scum btw, please don't think I don't want them lynched. (the above just screams scum not wanting to lynch their partner to me)
assuming mavs turns up scum, I will be voting for trollies tomorrow straight off
VOTE: trollie

In post 1153, geraintm wrote:
In post 1117, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 1115, Drew-Sta wrote:It's facepalm worthy because I basically led the lynch on mavs and called you as scum and now you're calling me part of the scum team?

Seriously... You're as obvious as it gets.

I am going to vote for you now. I feel passionately about it.

VOTE: iDanyboy

I want to hear why people are on Trollie. I'm not 100% convinced on him.
The Mavs lynch went through without you, and would of went through had you posted nothing. I am the one that scumread mavs on day 2 and voted him as soon as day 3 started and did not move it when the bob/ bambi wagons both had 3 votes on them. I think this makes it hard to pin me as scum with mavs. I also don't like how you are trying to take credit for a mavs lynch when you had nothing to do with it.
I am giving idany total town cred here. they were onto Mavs from the start of Day 3.

The final votes were, with town in bold

iDanyboy
, bob3141,
geraintm
,
Allomancer[/], TheTrollie

trollie joined the wagon mid way through, then left and then hammered.

In post 1154, geraintm wrote:
In post 1122, Drew-Sta wrote:
In post 1121, iDanyboy wrote:1. I keep highlighting Mal's lack of content because you keep saying you wanted a response from Mala and she has ignored you and yet you're puting your anger elsewhere.
2. I also think you need to re read day 3 because I was the only one that voted Mav's when he had no stink on him and had ample oppurtunity to switch votes because there where two wagons in Bambi and Bob. So in your universe I as scum came out hard pushing my partners after miss lynching two townies? with a misslynch opportunity in Bambi or Bob (as they can't both be my partners). I don't think my day 1 play was dodgy, day 2 you could argue but I think my day 1 was pretty clear.

3. My scum read's come from POE, mav's is dead so we can't lynch him again. I think Bob, Trollie and Ger are town leaving you, Bambi and Mala.

You said ' I basically led the lynch on mavs' and I think anyone that reads it will get the same meaning I did from that and not what you have said now. If anyone pushed him when he had a stink on him it was you not me.

Writing this post has made me realise how disjointed and bad my writing skills are
1. Re trollie: he was on mavs at 3.5. Then got off at 1059, strangely. Then I come along, post my wall, and, acknowledging he did in read my wall and Ger's posts after (1078) which must have included my request to wait for mala in 1068, ends up slamming the hammer after Allo voted in 1079 (with Trollie going on 1093 when it seemed abundantly clear mavs was scum).

That's why I'm angry. Mala not posting is not something I'm angry at. I want their feedback. I'm also wondering if they've been force voted and silenced but I doubt it.

... also, when reading that, it seems fucking clear Trollie is acting suspiciously.

Fuck. That revelation hit me like a truck...

I actually think Trollie is scum guys.

2. Not important after my revelation in 1.

3. Why is Trollie town? Exactly why? I think it's now you, Trollie and mavs.

Why do you keep drawing attention to mala?You are shifting focus here from you and Trollie.
I like that your read on Trolliw got to mine once you looked at their posts. why not vote though?

In post 1161, geraintm wrote:today feels like trollie and drew are the most likely lynches already.

I have iday as strong town at this stage.

I don't think anyone is reading me as scum at this point, so pleased with that.

In post 1383, geraintm wrote:VOTE: no lynch
but noting I want to lynch trollie still

In post 1462, geraintm wrote:VOTE: no lynch

In post 1505, geraintm wrote:VOTE: no lynch

I might be wrong but this just doesn't make sense.

Drew-Sta · Mon May 25, 2020 10:18 am

In post 1537, Bambi Jay wrote:For the love of god man. Drew. Don't quote the entire dang game, it makes it unreadable.

No-one is doing anything anyway - I’m compiling my thoughts.

I think it’s between trollie, ger and mala.

Drew-Sta · Mon May 25, 2020 10:55 am

I’d rather go out in a blaze of glory than whimper like a coward in the corner.

Drew-Sta · Mon May 25, 2020 1:04 pm

I went through madoka. I just don't think they were town.

I'm going to give this a fucking shot. Cause why not.

VOTE: malakittens

Drew-Sta · Mon May 25, 2020 1:59 pm

Well, mala, did you want to go Ger?

I don't want to die wondering.

Ger, mala, trollie right now.

Drew-Sta · Mon May 25, 2020 9:57 pm

In post 1549, geraintm wrote:as I've been asked on reads

Trollie - town
bambi - town because trollies has cleared them

leaves 2 scum between bob, drew

Where does Mala fit?

Drew-Sta · Mon May 25, 2020 10:27 pm

So why not just vote me now? Or bob? Or Mala?

Drew-Sta · Tue May 26, 2020 2:42 pm

In post 1559, TheTrollie wrote:
In post 1535, Drew-Sta wrote:I'm rereading the Neighborhood. One of Allo's posts mentioned that Bambi knew who BB had left a note for (which she acknowledged she did) and that if Allo ended up dead, that either mala or Bambi would be the likely killers.

Neither mala nor trollie have posted in there since.

I would like to know why.
This post rubbed me the wrong way. And at first I thought I was just reacting to the fact that drew was lightly tossing some skepticism my way but I think its because it fits into this pattern of behavior where Drew's description of what happened and then what actually happened is inconsistent when it comes to the PT.

I haven't posted in the PT since we fucked up the idanny lynch mainly because (a) now that we've outed ourselves here the PT isnt as useful (b) I am decently confident at least one of mala/drew is scum and (c) drew and mala are super inactive on it.

This notion that I stopped posting in the PT since allo was killed is utter bs. Allo neighborized me the night he died. I didn't get a chance to post until after then and then I quickly became the most active person in the PT within the first few irl days after having been included. It's not me who has been very quiet there, its actually mala/drew.

I've written off the chance of a mala/drew team based on a few interactions in the PT. I was pretty sure about them not being a team together but I need to re-read those interactions and see if they could have been fabricated/bussing.

Except I posted in it last, making a statement on your alignment, and you keep throwing shade at me and Mala...

Fuck it. I just want a result and don't care if I lose anymore.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheTrollie

Drew-Sta · Wed May 27, 2020 10:32 am

Because I think both of them are decent targets and mala would support a trollie lynch over ger.

And I just want to get this game done.

If mafia win, good on them. They deserve it.

Drew-Sta · Wed May 27, 2020 12:14 pm

In post 1571, geraintm wrote:If I had to vote now btw, I think it would be kn drew

Then do it and stop pussyfooting around.

Your complete and utter lack of interest in winning (or trying to) is getting on my goat.

If I’m scum, and same goes for you Trollie, put your money where your mouth is and do it.

Drew-Sta · Wed May 27, 2020 8:45 pm

So... who are you voting, Bambi?

Drew-Sta · Thu May 28, 2020 12:40 pm

In post 1584, TheTrollie wrote:bob's response to my push on him yesterday sorta struck me as town.

If that was a push, then you need to go to the gym.

Drew-Sta · Thu May 28, 2020 11:09 pm

Push your trollie, Trollie. Make a stand and throw your vote on me.

Drew-Sta · Sat May 30, 2020 12:43 am

In post 1596, TheTrollie wrote:bambi ur wrong

why the fuck would i come up with a crazy ass claim verifying your alignment as scum?

She’s scum is she? I thought she was town, Troll-doll?

Drew-Sta · Sat May 30, 2020 3:48 pm

In post 1605, Malakittens wrote:Uh

The times I played mafia and got drunk
And then I made a song to lynch the person I scum read the most
Then we lynched that person due to my song
And they were scum

Show me the link? I need a good chuckle

Drew-Sta · Sat May 30, 2020 5:37 pm

In post 1607, Malakittens wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p6293569

I can’t believe it didn’t take me that long to find bc I remember who the player was lmao

So good.

Drew-Sta · Sat May 30, 2020 9:24 pm

Well..? What are we doing?

Drew-Sta · Sun May 31, 2020 1:07 pm

In post 1626, TheTrollie wrote:bob really gets me wondering if he's scum every time he tells me how crazy i'd have to be to think he's scum.

but ppl, it's drew. I'm really quite certain.

I'm gonna go grab my case from yesterday and post it again here.

I am not scum.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 31, 2020 1:08 pm

I will go through your horrible case in a little bit.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 31, 2020 6:24 pm

my logic on the iD Lynch still stands -
no way Bambi, drew, me and bob could have all been town if iD was town
. I think we can narrow down to bambi and drew even - why would neither of Bambi or drew have left open the opportunity to swing onto my wagon and Lynch me instead?

... except if you're scum. In which case, you would be well placed there.

(1) iDanys argument that drew was trying to steal credit for mavs now makes him def look scummy since id was legit town

I came on and basically showed mavs was obvs scum. I didn't take credit for outing him. I took credit for what I said and for pushing toward him. I probably took that too far. Sue me.

(2) this is important I join the PT yesterday and soft claim / say I know Bambi is town since she was neighborized. Drew press me on the PT to make the case in the game thread. Then Drew votes for me in the game thread. Thats where I freaked out both in game and on the PT bc I thought he put me on L-1. But still, why the fuck would drew vote me in the game thread immediately after learning that I am claiming PR with intel in the PT. I pushed him on that in the PT and he said basically “I did it bc I think ur scum and ur at L-1 and havent been hammered yet I wonder why” which he also said in the game thread. That really looks bad. He’s making the case and pushing a Lynch on someone he’s just learned in a PT is a PR with intel that hasn’t been posted in the game thread. Not good.

You know what was also obvious? No-one jumped on you. I initially interpreted that as scum not trying to be obv scum. In fact, I think it was scum not jumping on to lynch you and bus you as you are in a precarious situation.

I also call bullshit on your claim. You've made it so late in the game, without prompting, that I feel like it is you grandstanding to keep yourself alive.

(a) now that we've outed ourselves here the PT isnt as usefu

Untrue. If you were genuinely town, and mala was genuinely town (I'm taking a punt on the latter), then the PT is excellent to formulate a strategy to move forward. You don't want to do that, because mala has called you out as scummy before, and you for you to formulate a plan would require you to fabricate things. Thus, you've not.

and re-thinking the allo kill, at the time I thought it wasn't very enlightening because I think it was obvious that he was the other mason, but now a flip or two later the only scum team that would have not had confirmation of allo's role would have been bob/gera.

Why would bob/gera not have confirmation?

The bb/allo NK's are fairly obvious. Of course they'd get rid of the masons. There's no disputing that.

My biggest things are that every time I work with you, you town read me. Every time I press you, you scum read me.

The only hang up on this is you're the only one here arguing with me. Ger pushing for no lynch confuses me.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 31, 2020 6:54 pm

Trollie, the biggest thing is, why would I not keep the neighbouriser alive if I was scum? Allow was town reading CSF. Why kill them when I could have effectively acted as a double agent?

The fact Allo neighbourised you, but they die that night, suggests to me you killed them and were happily surprised by what happened.

Drew-Sta · Sun May 31, 2020 6:55 pm

The fact none of us are dead, lends itself to that.

The only other person you have to kill, is Bambi, which leaves you, bob, ger, mala, and I.

Which is a 3v2 towncore vs you guys.

I'm convinced it's you. If it's not, I'll happily apologise, but I believe firmly it's you.

Drew-Sta · Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:32 am

In post 1636, TheTrollie wrote:bc gera prefs no lynch > drew lynch and i pref drew lynch > no lynch

And it makes soooooo much sense for you to do what Gera is doing...

Drew-Sta · Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:33 am

Someone out Trollie at L-1. Seriously.

If scum are not them, they’ll hammer and you all get to laugh at me. Or, they won’t hammer, and...

Drew-Sta · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:06 pm

In post 1644, bob3141 wrote:
In post 1642, TheTrollie wrote:literally think about the fact that i'm sittin pretty at l-2 when it takes 4 to lynch and there are 2 scum left in the game.

Mala is the only one (i think?) other than the two on me who have expressed any interest in voting me

why would i be sitting at L-2 still if scum isnt on my wagon?

it either makes you scum or one of drew/bambi scum.

It does eliminate a germa/mala scum team.

As for you to be scum one of them must be town.
And if you were town they would have flash hammered you

Why the fuck would I push Trollie in 4v2?

Drew-Sta · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:07 pm

In post 1642, TheTrollie wrote:literally think about the fact that i'm sittin pretty at l-2 when it takes 4 to lynch and there are 2 scum left in the game.

Mala is the only one (i think?) other than the two on me who have expressed any interest in voting me

why would i be sitting at L-2 still if scum isnt on my wagon?

Literally that's the point.

Scum win with the double hammer.

And yet, here we sit, L-2.

Drew-Sta · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:30 pm

If I was scum, why would I act out like this.

I'd have to be the most aggressive scum in history. And I'm simply not.

I tunnelled iDany. I agree with that. I walked in and scumread mavs. Why would I do that.

But.

If you genuinely believe I'm scum, then just lynch me and let's get this over with.

I'll enjoy end game far more because it's END GAME rather than let's just point fingers and do nothing.

Drew-Sta · Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:25 pm

Why do you think people aren’t following your lead?

Drew-Sta · Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:01 pm

In post 1659, geraintm wrote:quick reply.
I am very much down with trollies to vote for drew, I just want a night to go through so that someone might get killed to help confirm someone

Just vote me for fucks sake. Get it over with.

Drew-Sta · Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:31 pm

Guys, I really don't care any more. Can we just vote me or vote trollie? I want to end this game so I can get some closure in my life on what has been a train wreck of a game for me.

Drew-Sta · Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:41 pm

In post 1675, TheTrollie wrote:wanna self vote and get this over with then?

I might be sick of it but I'm not handing you the win.

Drew-Sta · Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:39 pm

In post 1677, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 1672, geraintm wrote:Trollie logic to me is solid. I am 95% sure drew is scum. The other scum is bob or mala. I was hoping scum would helpfully kill one of them and help solve the game.

Bambi, as I consider you 100% town, do you disagree with trollie logic? Because I feel if you are on board with logic them we can finish the game quickly
Well considering nobody's followed me on Trollie... I guess honestly I got to side with you guys then. If I ignore my feeling and go with pure logic I guess Trollie is the right person to side with.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Drew

I'm on trollie?

Wait a sec...

Bambi / Trollie?

Drew-Sta · Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:24 pm

bob, lynch this VT. I'm ready to go.

Drew-Sta · Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:19 pm

Mate, we don't go to a vote.

I die, that's 5 left.

1 night kill leaves it as 4v4, with 2 as scum.

That's game, buddy.

So make your case now. Or forever hold your peace. But rest assured, this is Mylo.

Drew-Sta · Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:05 pm

Not 4v4, 2v2. Sorry.

Drew-Sta · Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:38 pm

Enjoy the night kill mafia. You’ve earned it.

Drew-Sta · Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:20 am

Trollie first. We discuss Bambi / Germa tmr, bob.

Drew-Sta · Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:20 pm

Cakez has told us this is last phase. We no lynch again, we go to a draw.

If we lynch here, incorrectly, we lost.

If we lynch here, correctly, we head into final Mylo.

Drew-Sta · Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:42 pm

Not wanting to self hammer =/= caring anymore.

I just want you people to do something, FFS.

It's clear Trollie is the one here. And if I'm wrong, then so be it. But can we at least get it fucking over with?

Gosh, this game is beyond irritating now.

Drew-Sta · Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:49 pm

In post 1702, geraintm wrote:
In post 1697, Drew-Sta wrote:Cakez has told us this is last phase. We no lynch again, we go to a draw.

If we lynch here, incorrectly, we lost.

If we lynch here, correctly, we head into final Mylo.

In post 1568, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1563, Bambi Jay wrote:Actually, important question I guess.

@Mod: Will the game end in a draw during the day phase or night phase?

Because if it ends in day or night, they both give different benefits out.

It ends after the sixth phase without a death. So as of now, the game will end in a draw at the end of day 7 if there is no death.
Drew?

I honestly misread that to mean we're finished by the 7th phase, as in when we move into it.

Drew-Sta · Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:49 am

Bob, if I knew that, I’d have articulated it better.

Mala has not hammered. You have not hammered. It is possible it could be one of you, but unlikely given you’d have hammered to win already.

Bambi jumped on. I think her.

Drew-Sta · Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:00 pm

Mala, please just vote. Get this done. I don’t care if it is for me.

Drew-Sta · Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:12 pm

Drew-Sta · Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:16 pm

In post 1719, TheTrollie wrote:i should say,
voting me if i am town
ends the game...so it doesnt make sense to want to vote me just to check up on what alignmment iam

Drew-Sta · Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:31 pm

Cool. Clap clap. Let’s keep it up.

Next please.

Drew-Sta · Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:37 pm

And here we go. If Mala votes Trollie, then she’s town. If Mala / bob votes me, then they hammer and confirm they’re scum.

Drew-Sta · Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:37 pm

Correction, if Mala / bob votes trollie...

Drew-Sta · Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:32 pm

Keep telling yourself that.

Drew-Sta · Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:10 am

I was so far off it wasn’t funny.

Well done mala and Bambi.

Hey Trollie. Let’s have a beer and cry over how bad we were lol.