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what town-motivation could there possibly be behind pointing out a potential crumb??? smells fishy to me, paragonIn post 31, Paragon wrote:Hmm, is that a crumb, Allomancer? Wouldn't it be more sensible to claim that outright?
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so im too scared to vote my partner on the 2nd page, but not scared to say something about him is fishy?In post 44, iDanyboy wrote:
Why note vote then. VOTE: Morning TweetIn post 34, Morning Tweet wrote:
what town-motivation could there possibly be behind pointing out a potential crumb??? smells fishy to me, paragonIn post 31, Paragon wrote:Hmm, is that a crumb, Allomancer? Wouldn't it be more sensible to claim that outright?
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surely pointing out a potentially scummy action is more of a commitment- Morning Tweet
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Paragon, Allomancer - lean town
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paragon 39 felt like a town reaction to me + i like the way the miller crumb interaction played out
dany is forcing voting me a lil, i dont buy his reasoningggg but it could be town struggling to find something to say- Morning Tweet
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he modded my first newbie game :c
once i realized what he meant by what he said (that he was referring to a miller crumb), i don't find anything fishy about it now. i considered the possibility he made that explanation up, but im positive that's what he meant the whole way thruiDanyboy wrote:
I'm not forcing anything. You said you found someone scummy with out a vote, then said your comment is stronger than a vote, but now you town read him for the same interaction which you called fishy.In post 55, Morning Tweet wrote:Paragon, Allomancer - lean town
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paragon 39 felt like a town reaction to me + i like the way the miller crumb interaction played out
dany is forcing voting me a lil, i dont buy his reasoningggg but it could be town struggling to find something to say
if i were scum with para, why bother to make the comment if i dont even have the resolve to vote him?- Morning Tweet
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this is a loaded question that incriminates me for answering it and it feels like you're trying to make me "scumslip", which i neglected to put in quotes in my last message cause i'm a peabrainIn post 66, bob3141 wrote:So your saying your not scum with para?- Morning Tweet
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no no he definitely did make a case for us being togetherIn post 44, iDanyboy wrote:
Why note vote then. VOTE: Morning TweetIn post 34, Morning Tweet wrote:
what town-motivation could there possibly be behind pointing out a potential crumb??? smells fishy to me, paragonIn post 31, Paragon wrote:Hmm, is that a crumb, Allomancer? Wouldn't it be more sensible to claim that outright?
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"i am town and thus cant be partnered with anyone" is a carefully crafted answer, and thinking very carefully about how my posts come off is not something I'm proficient atIn post 75, bob3141 wrote:In post 73, Morning Tweet wrote:
this is a loaded question that incriminates me for answering it and it feels like you're trying to make me "scumslip", which i neglected to put in quotes in my last message cause i'm a peabrainIn post 66, bob3141 wrote:So your saying your not scum with para?
So you saying you cant answer the question.
When its easy to answer for any town. Correct answer is "i am town and thus cant be partnered with anyone"
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In post 81, bob3141 wrote:
So you saying you think his reason for thinking your scum is wrong.
See here he says you might both be scum but he never says your trying to buss para. Its you that said that. Thus this game you feel accurately aware of bussing. Thus for you i feel its actualy a possibility. Most cases that wouldnt cross a townies mind. They would push back as to why they were not scum not why there not scum with another player
iDany pushed me because he thinks I'm scum not willing to commit to vote Paragon, my partner supposedly. i responded by saying that if Paragon were my partner, why would I be too scared to vote him when I'm willing to make negative comments. what else should I be defending myself against exactly?In post 46, iDanyboy wrote:
To put some pressure on MT, I don't like that his not willing to vote you.In post 45, Paragon wrote:VOTE: iDanyboy
Why move your vote off me? Trying to establish two early town wagons?- Morning Tweet
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What was your intent behind asking this question, if I may ask. the wording I was looking for is that it's a "loaded" questionIn post 66, bob3141 wrote:So your saying your not scum with para?- Morning Tweet
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I kinda love it, there's nothing reasonably solid enough to go off of that warrants keeping a vote stuck on one person.In post 106, TheTrollie wrote:I don't love Para's vote hopping at all. But it feels like hyper/neurotic town more than scum maybe?
I like that you mentioned you agreed with it at the time, makes me inclined to feel like you have a coherent town thought process which is a little tricky to do as scum. Also townreading me is the easiest way to my heart damnitIn post 111, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I liked his push on you and I agreed with it at the time. He found something interesting to pursue and went with it.
I think you’re more townie than not from your reactions, but I disagree with the townread on Paragon. I’m not really seeing the towny response in 39
I'm not familiar with bob's play, but I don't quite like it much. So from what I'm told, he's capable of these kinds of pushes as town, but even if so, there's certainly nothing townie I've found about him yet. I also think his entrance posts in 22, 41, and 42 were kinda awkward, hence why I scum leaned him in 55.In post 120, Skellen wrote:bob vs MT is so... bob.
I think I understand the reasoning behind the wagon, I am just not sure I feel it. Him nitpicking on a certain detail in an awkward manner is nothing out of the ordinary for him. So are you guys assuming bob is scum struggling to get into this game with his push on MT? Why does he go this route?
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Why the hesitation to vote bob and only then when the wagon gains movement initiated by others?
I waited because I still wanted to vote Dany at the time, but my read on Dany is kind of waning.
I agree with the first two takes, altho the first is just a little nitpickIn post 114, iDanyboy wrote:Don't like gerain's entrance, Cat is good, don't like the Bob wagon.- Morning Tweet
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I don't even know how to interpret this, like, what's the difference? You're saying that scum subconsciously dismantles arguments by thinking "Ha, yes I'm scum but that isn't why I'm scum"? And I'm exhibiting that thought process, I guess?In post 142, bob3141 wrote:Town look at push as it just being wrong.
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from town impressions to not town impressions
Paragon, CatScratch, Allomancer - lean town
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Skellen - lesser iffy
gerain, bob - more iffy
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In post 77, Allomancer wrote:I think bob has a point here
I kind of thought this was weird justification, like "Has a point here" doesn't really come off as "I see that you're logical but I disagree that's its a big deal". I feel like this seemingly inconsistent thought process might be the reasoning behind Allo's wagon, so let me address what I think about it..In post 127, Allomancer wrote:And I can see bob as being logical while not quite agreeing that it's a big deal.
As soon as bob voted me, Allo made it clear in the very next post that they weren't really on board with bob's thinking all along. This brought Allo back on the town side in my mind, it seems to me like there was a consistency after all.In post 79, Allomancer wrote:
That's not necessarily true, I'm always paranoid no matter whatIn post 78, bob3141 wrote:Now a townie would be more focused on othar things than being worried about makign teh slightest incorrect scum slip- Morning Tweet
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I asked Dany about how pointing something suspicious about someone without voting them is indicative that we're partners. My line of reasoning was that calling attention to something is stronger than voting. I don't really know what you mean by the bolded phraseIn post 149, bob3141 wrote:And it in you never even deny being partnered with para. All you say is why would i comment on x if i wasnt going to vote for him. And that answers nothing.As it easy for scum to say they would do the opposite
Where it should be clear im asking, ok so you say you wouldnt be partnered with para if you were scum but that doesnt realy answer anyones suspicions that your scum. And is rather scummy avoidance of that very issue.
From what I'm gathering, you're saying that town!tweet wouldn't say that she's not partnered with Paragon, she would instead say "I'm not partnered with anyone, I'm not scum." Why would I be unwilling to say the phrase "I am not scum" as scum???
I see where you're coming from I THINK. Like, I subconsciously say "I'm not with Paragon" instead of "I'm not scum" to technically say the truth. I don't think looking for ways that someone subconsciously words things is a good tell, and it's certainly not working here.- Morning Tweet
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Read some of Dany's games. He always posts infrequently and looks like low-hanging fruit scum, you're exactly correct there so take it as u willIn post 205, BBmolla wrote:no past knowledge of Dannyboy they just seem to be the low hanging fruit scum
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Bob doesn't strike me as someone who is bothered by causing lots of attention to himself on either alignmentIn post 223, Skellen wrote:Regarding bob I can understand what Cat pointed out, but my problem is that I don't really see the scum motivation in the execution of his "tunnel" on MT. It's admittedly mostly subjective bias, because his 1v1s are frustrating to read, but he is smart and pretty self-aware and I would assume he would know as scum when to back off as it became clear that no one really digs his suspicion on MT. It only pushed him into the center of attraction and going by the early game state there wasn't even a need to do that, because there was already Dany/MT going on. Waiting for his input outside of his 1v1 though for a firmer read as I think he is easier to read when he is not involved in one of those.
Pedit: For some reason I was under the impression that results that lie to cops (guilty on a non-guilty) wasn't normal. that clears that up- Morning Tweet
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take your time!In post 235, geraintm wrote:So...daughter is currently in an ambulance so might not get that promised increase in activity today. Sorry- Morning Tweet
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probably. I think it's an interesting point to bring up that bob chose me rather than Dany, but I'm gonna say it's just because he wanted to use his patented "Ask a loaded question" technique. Mav reads into it very closely, and I think that looks good on him
I'm still voting bob because I can totally see scum bob doing this; it's totally within town bob's realm too but I haven't seen anything from bob that I like yet. Not that I'm sure what that would be- Morning Tweet
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well I can't very well townread someone who hasn't posted any material! i like catscratch and allo for having consistent thought processes (i also dont think scum!allo posts 77)In post 248, geraintm wrote:
your town list seems correlated with the number of posts. paragon is 2nd after you, allomancer is 3rd. im low as I haven't been posting, and kinda shocked you didn't call me a lurker.In post 146, Morning Tweet wrote:from town impressions to not town impressions
Paragon, CatScratch, Allomancer - lean town
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BBmolla, Trollie - undecided
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gerain, bob - more iffy
If i’m calling my shots right, the two lurkers (Expresso + Vig) are going to end up being both town. Just a theory of mine tho and obviously will be overrided once they actually start posting
the correlation means I am not trusting of your reads too much at this tsage of the game
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I have no idea how you play as scum but I can only imagine that pushes such as those arent exclusive to town bobIn post 261, bob3141 wrote:Tweet though serously why do you think scum me would actual push you like that.
What is it about Paragon's posting attitude you don't like as compared to mine? this comes off as "Tweet is towny because she seems uncertain, whereas Para is scummy because he's more sure." is this what you mean?bob3141 wrote:
Different attitude. Scum are far more likely to make posts like the one you have made than tweets.In post 242, Paragon wrote:178: I don't like this Bob-post, I don't think Morning Tweet has said anything new here that she didn't already say before. This whole read/tunnel into reconsideration feels completely fabricated from Bob. The only reason I see scum!Bob doing it though is if he believes it'll look towny, I don't think scum!him actually thinks he can get Morning Tweet mislynched with that.
Bob, why did this post change your mind while previous ones didn't?
Scum wants a mislynch to go through so thay dont even slightly undercut there own push. Its not even something scum can fake as it work against their win con. Now that doesnt prevent them making posts that a town player would but there are attitudes that are largley exclusive to town.
In you see that tweet isnt talking to me as though he thinks im scum nor that he even thinks im town. That level of compilation is hard for scum as they tend to end up either side but not the middle.
i'm not sure i agree that scum as a whole would be opposed to being uncertain and wishy washy about their reads/votes/pushes. if their mislynch goes through, they can point to not really having been sure about it. it also means they would have a wider range of people they can reasonably vote for. there are too many variables for blanket statement strategies like "Scum are more likely to have assertive posts and to stick with one push and go with it" to work reliably- Morning Tweet
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"Scum are more likely to make posts like the one you (Para) have made than tweets."bob3141 wrote:Tweet all i will say is you need to got back an reread my post. as you clearly wouldnt think i was calling para scummy if you had. In fact i made no judgement on him in that posts.
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i kinda go back and forth on skellen a bit, but i think overall i have a slight lean town
i can say i like her allomancer read progression, it's similar to what was going thru my head at the time. 77 seemed out of place, but 79 showed it wasn't really hopping on w/ bob's logic and it was just a bit of a misunderstood postSpoiler:
i agree about mav-- i still wanna vote bobTheTrollie wrote:That all said - I'm down to vote elsewhere today. Just not on Bob.
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im curious abt how you developed a read on this pair
all i know about gerain is that he doesn't enjoy RVS and other day one antics ;(
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this is terrible noooo!!!In post 295, Paragon wrote:I tried looking for cute cat and bat gifs but they all involved the cats eating the bats :/- Morning Tweet
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i can definitely relate with not being sure what I'm supposed to find scummy over d1. so far i usually just try to get a few ppl in the town basketIn post 303, geraintm wrote:
This is true. Sorry. I wish I could post more but I have no idea what to talk about.In post 289, Morning Tweet wrote:im curious abt how you developed a read on this pair
all i know about gerain is that he doesn't enjoy RVS and other day one antics ;(
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It's still bothering me, actuallyIn post 220, Allomancer wrote:How do you claim traitor and not get lynched?
I see ZERO town motivation in making this post
Is Allo known to troll, or just say random things sometimes?
Did I miss the post that prompted this?
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it is a fair assessment that if we lynch bob and he flips town, it'd be a bit hard to learn from it.
i am inclined to believe the wagon as it is right now is town, meaning that either bob is scum and scum isnt bussing quite yet, or bob is town and scum doesnt want to finish him off for fear of looking bad. which is more likely?
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i hav independent townreads on allo and cat, strongest being allo.In post 317, Espressojet wrote:What makes you believe the Bob wagon is Town?
I feel like this is some juicy early mislynch bait if Bob is Town himself
Unless we have a really smart Scumteam on our hands, I can't see a reason why one of them wouldn't help push a wagon
you're right but i havent been able to get behind the skelly case, and just going by how bobs wagon is formed it makes me feel like i may be on the right path
that being said im not vote locked on bob, i wanna bump this so he sees itMorning Tweet wrote:who would you like to lynch instead, bob?- Morning Tweet
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no i mean im asking bob what he thinks the lynch should beIn post 319, Espressojet wrote:
I don't know. I don't have an answer for you :/Morning Tweet wrote:who would you like to lynch instead, bob?- Morning Tweet
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bob's odds of scum are going down a bit imo, plus many ppl have voiced theyre against the wagon. im willing to let it go in favour of a new discussion: what shall we do with resident lynchbait
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