Mini 2129 - Anime U-Pick: Shuffle [ALL HAIL THE WEEBS(OVER)]

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First. VOTE: Norwegian

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RCEnigma. That was a lie. I was first, not you.
Only scum lie. Ergo you are mafioso.

F.I.R.S.T

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VOTE: moderator
for being a fake weeb

I have it on good authority

Whoever got my anime pick, fuck you.

VOTE: GIF

-Tataru

It's a shuffle?

Tbf I didn't know that until someone else got my pick.

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7. Claiming as the picker for another player's claimed character name, whether real or fake, in this thread is NOT ALLOWED.

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Gonna be a rough rule cuz uhhh, I already wanna say what my choice was.

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RCEnigma. That was a lie. I was first, not you.
Only scum lie. Ergo you are mafioso.

F.I.R.S.T

Fragile In Regarding Slow Tempo?

Firstly. I, Rcenigma, Sing Terrifically.

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How about we make a chain for fun? I will send a kawaii picture in my PT and each person, who receive it has to send it forward in their PT. If everything goes well i should receive it from my picker.

No. I hate fun.

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If it isn't Chika Fujiwara. Miss me.

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Monster is one of the best anime ever.

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I just watched I Don't Want to Get Hurt, so I'll Max Out My Defense recently. Was very good.

-Tataru

This has come up in my recommended. Haven't gotten around to it.

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Did we all get tricked into thinking the upick was straight up?

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Also tower of God is gonna be the top show this season... Depending on what part of the story they manage to get to.

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Ngl never watched the series my char is from. Sorry not sorry.

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I wonder whenever people are opportunistic, because they hope to pull something here or they lack of leads and catch on it to have something.

Do you have something more concrete?

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Cake.

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Yeah I like them for town so far.
Bitmap will become and easier read the longer the game gets and atm I feel pretty comfortable with calling them town.

Also, my townbloc atm is {Kerset, Norwee, Shtola, Adu}

Adu is the only one I'd feel comfortable having in a townblock.

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266 feels like a step out of rvs by questioning motives but it's really just an empty statement. In other words it's too lamist for me.

The wagon definitely could have been good for the game even if yshtola is town.

I did like 230 tho.

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There is so much going on that I keep trying to take down that every time I start to note a different idea, something new comes up and distracts me.

I'm going to be very mentally behind this game.

Be my sheep instead.

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266 feels like a step out of rvs by questioning motives but it's really just an empty statement. In other words it's too lamist for me.

The wagon definitely could have been good for the game even if yshtola is town.

I did like 230 tho.

Kerset claimed miller and Kerset really doesn't come across as the type of person to claim miller as scum.

I must have blocked that out somewhere. I still wouldn't bother townblocking a miller claim in that case.

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How about we make a chain for fun? I will send a kawaii picture in my PT and each person, who receive it has to send it forward in their PT. If everything goes well i should receive it from my picker.

You can give the person that got your flavour a code word if they wanted to let you know who they are

I don't think it's impossible for Tatsu to put in abilities that can target specific flavours so we should probs hold onto the info

Torque comoded things with tatsu, so he is the right person to follow here.

These posts also reek town!motivation

I didn't like the chain idea at the time and I still don't.

The codeword was good but doesn't put scum in a jam or anything so they have no reason not to go along with it.

Ftr I don't scumread kerset I just don't have them as townie enough to form a block around.

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There is so much going on that I keep trying to take down that every time I start to note a different idea, something new comes up and distracts me.

I'm going to be very mentally behind this game.

Be my sheep instead.

You must have a pretty good handle on the game?

I'm 100% accurate 50% of the time. You can trust me.

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2 - the people who are confident in their play enough to make it work. Kerset doesn't seem like that kind of person

Dunno how much I buy that. She may have lost in team mafia but she had both jingle and FL fooled for a majority of the game. I think her scumgame is pretty damn good.

She was bold enough to claim friendly neighbor in a stacked playerlist. So you might be right but I wouldn't put it out if her scumrange at all.

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There is so much going on that I keep trying to take down that every time I start to note a different idea, something new comes up and distracts me.

I'm going to be very mentally behind this game.

Be my sheep instead.

You must have a pretty good handle on the game?

I'm 100% accurate 50% of the time. You can trust me.

You and I will both roll a dice. If it's even, you sheep me, if it's odd, I sheep you. That way, the 50% of the time when you're right, I follow you, and the other 50% of the time, you follow me.

What if my dice is odd and yours is even?

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I didn't like the chain idea at the time and I still don't.

Is it possible you could elaborate on this?

As I understand it it's just a game of telephone with a picture. I don't know how that relays who sent the picture to who. It just sounded like a thing to do.

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Don't pocket me kerset q.q

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I'm game enter. When I'm ready to vote I will invoke this rule. And if you vote I will also invoke the rule.

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I didn't like the chain idea at the time and I still don't.

Is it possible you could elaborate on this?

As I understand it it's just a game of telephone with a picture. I don't know how that relays who sent the picture to who. It just sounded like a thing to do.

A sends a picture to B. Now B knows that B will hear the voices of A. B then sends a picture to C so C knows who they're hearing voices from.

Err maybe I meant the other way around. Because I know who I got my pick from but don't know who my pick was given to. The picture idea is that same lateral transmission of information.

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Original Roll String: 1d100

1 100-Sided Dice: (30) = 30

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VOTE: wonderfuldeceit

That's not against the rules right?

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@mod

I have posting access to the pt of my roles picker. I don't think this is intentional. If it is, disregard.

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I see. Behave people. Do the right thing.

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Just wanted to take this break in the action to say torque is a good cookie.

I also don't mind this wagon and I will hammer if out to L-1. No questions asked.

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I do think this is Magical Girls Chemist.

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My problem with the yshtola Hydra is I am bad at reading bitmap in general. I have a pretty good idea on how to read Ank tho but afaik she isn't super present and the roleplay thing is obfuscating what I would normally look for anyway.

To be fair I wanted to roleplay Hanadori and was the main reason he was in my picks.

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I want some chuunibyo dammit.

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Well I've only played with him in magical girls (I was scum), calendar mafia where he hydra'd with fb, and I hard scumread him in TM where he flipped town.

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Original Roll String: 1d100

1 100-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

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I can't, it's up to Enter.

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Can we make fun of Bitmap more while we argue? I like this.

bitmap is potato

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VOTE: Chemist

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It's my patent pending scum turbohammer.

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I like chemist for scum a little more than yshtola but damn that yshtola wagon looked 10x better than this one.

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Yes. Fear me.

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Having a rough one zzz.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=32643

Chemist hydra's ISO in magical girls, he's the wind head, he was scum there

If anything I think scum Chemist is much less IDGAF than town chemist

ok so how is RCE saying "This feels like Chemist from Magical Girls"
and you are saying
"In Magical Girls, Chemist was a lot more IDGAF and I would expect him to act like that here"

Like, how are you 2 getting compeltely different conclusions from meta?

I think you're reading that the wrong way and torque is saying chemist is more reserved as scum. I'd agree.

I'm not sure if they get the impression he's more loose here compared to magical girls other than the fact he hasn't been compelled to engage.

He was forced to engage in magical girls as well and it was what sparked his awkward interactions.

I think it was with Titus in that game, like he felt the need to latch onto something but it wasn't anything of substance and stood out.

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@Enter I'm still feeling out Light and L. Their reads are aligning with mine but I don't like the process? Like his kerset read is a product of omgus and his torque read is extremely flimsy. Not at all what I was townreading torque for in the first place.

So we are reaching similar conclusions in different ways, I'm willing to wait on developments.

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Idk, I see chemist has posted some but I'm not caught up.

In general I think chemist is a good wagon. You force him to take action and if he doesn't it's not a detriment to town as either alignment. More information > less information.

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I'm still wary regardless. Reactive chemist is always going to be scummier to me than proactive chemist.

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That's fair I don't mind it.

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I have a bad tendency to blow things out of proportion and overreact proportional to my actual feeling in mafia. I got it in my head when I was new that it made players uncomfortable and more likely to make themselves easy to read and I haven't broken that habit yet

Basically what I told Alisae made you town and was a potential town tell down the road but this self awareness kind of nullifies that tell.

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Ok so not word for word but I linked the newbie game that you came back to ms on and aired loopdan out.

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@Enter I'm still feeling out Light and L. Their reads are aligning with mine but I don't like the process? Like his kerset read is a product of omgus and his torque read is extremely flimsy. Not at all what I was townreading torque for in the first place.

So we are reaching similar conclusions in different ways, I'm willing to wait on developments.

~what is your townread on Torque for then, if mine is "extremely flimsy" as you put it?~

-Light

The codeword suggestion and not hesitating to flavorclaim.

Both say she has no reservations about whether flavor could be alignment indicative (dunno if the rules say otherwise) and they likely don't but they are issues that as scum I'd probably get feedback on before commenting.

Both were off the cuff in a townie way. Prodding Alisae on expanding their chemist read was townie.

Asking Hiraki what they meant was super nai and a weird post to townread torque on when there are posts before and after that are better alignment indicators.

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Also, don't think torque can be scum with Alisae and Alisae probably not scum with enter.

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Mister Turkey when you catch up where's your head at
I was townreading your slot previously so lets talk.

That’s gonna be a few days at best sorry

I do think Enter is town though.

Do we have a list of how the one way neighborhoods go or are we worried that info being public is a bad idea?

We don't and we don't know.

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7. Claiming as the picker for another player's claimed character name, whether real or fake, in this thread is NOT ALLOWED.

Oh, this is probably why that information has not been outted.
I am wondering if the scum do not explicitly have a group PT and this mechanic is the work around.

However, that rule is specific to that information being claimed in thread. Theoretically, we could all claim who is the person who picked our role in the channel of the person whose role we picked. That information would go all the way around in those pts and we would all know that information. I wonder if the mod would allow that, though.

Mod, care to weigh in on that strategy as being punishable under your rules?

The rule has since been rescinded.

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That answered 0 of 2 questions lol.

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Oh yeah if anyone was wondering I targeted WD with my action to see what they and RCE were talking about

Both sides or just whoever you targeted?

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Is that where the Alisae could be wrong town comes from?

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With one shot my whim has decreased dramatically.

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Ank is the yshtola head no?

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I don't buy that Ank oks that shot. I also don't buy that Ank feels pressured to vig night 1. Bit would probably vig night 1 though. Brings me back to my issue with that Hydra.

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Y&T is your singular vote the only drawback to your ability?

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Rip me possibly.

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None of that is relevant to me. It plays itself out.

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It was nice while it lasted.

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I'll try and get some quick thoughts in just in case this is my end.

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I like the cut of your gib Norwegian.

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That sounds pockety.

If I'm not modkilled would you like to be in my pocket?

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Welp sounds leashable to me.

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Yep, my time is likely limited. And to that end, I suggest a winning strategy (I think). That I will copy over from my pt.

You agree to having your shots leashed ank?

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If you would be granted the power to smite, would you not target Sin Eaters?

Torque masqueraded as a Sin Eater, so Torque was smited.

~Y'shtola

Big should hold unless 1 shot or town is at risk of losing majority. But that's a theory discussion I guess.

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Yep, my time is likely limited. And to that end, I suggest a winning strategy (I think). That I will copy over from my pt.

You agree to having your shots leashed ank?

There is little more to know.

I was granted the power of Flare for use within this battle, but flare by necessity drains my entire mana pool. It is a fundamental fact of the world, that such power be given such a weakness.

~Y'shtola

If you're saying you're 1 shot then you're probably the lynch today. I'm only up for defending your death if you have further use to town.

Confirm or deny that you have multiple shots.

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I think that means VOTE: Yshtola

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Ftr there is more to the role and I don't know why you would be evasive about it as town. Idk why you would as scum either but meh.

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I HAVE BEEN SPARED!

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You cannot be certain of such things.

Do not claim to know when you know naught.

~Y'shtola

I can read trends. Your claim doesn't fit the trend so.

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Maybe I'm just annoyed because it's a dumb shot. Maybe I'm just annoyed because I'm 80% sure you guys are lying about the rest of your role (in this case lack thereof). But maybe I'm just annoyed we had a lynch on town and as a collective you guys said screw the information we got from that, Torque was mean.

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Maybe I'm just annoyed because it's a dumb shot. Maybe I'm just annoyed because I'm 80% sure you guys are lying about the rest of your role (in this case lack thereof). But maybe I'm just annoyed we had a lynch on town and as a collective you guys said screw the information we got from that, Torque was mean.

Oh dear, you misunderstand.

The downtime was the perfect chance to read up on the happenings of this situation, and the Torque shot came just as much from these studies as much as prior readings.

There are no lies about our power, we have a single use flare that saps my energy enough to be unable to vote more than one the next day. If there would be more to be said, it would not be for us to reveal it.

~Y'shtola

If this was a large, whatever. Ank I 100% don't believe you make that's shot on the least amount of info possible and ignore that small sample that you do have as town.

You get held to a higher standard, sorry not sorry. This isn't even about the target.

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What? It's not going to resolve outside of a lynch?

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No one bringing up that scum took a shot on wagon regardless of the vig stuff.

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because this Alisae feels like Alisae from Team Mafia when I was being pushed by mastina

Which you were also mafia in. Regardless of alignment, don't change my mind.

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No one bringing up that scum took a shot on wagon regardless of the vig stuff.

What do you think it means?

If Y&T is town there's scum in {L&L, Natirasha, Hiraki, Kerset} I townread Hiraki tbh and Hiraki/Natirasha are never partners.

The plan I was trying to get WD to push it I was modkilled was basically: Lynch off wagon / shoot off wagon.

In the subset of {L&L, Nati, Kerset} in that order. Then you force scum to keep their shots on wagon.

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RCE i'm a bit confused why you seem to be thinking that Yshtola made a dumb shot. But voting them anyway? The shot on town aside, they are very unlikely to be scum.
I also think the people pushing this Yshtola as a SK slot are scummy. A game with 13 players that has 3 scum and 1 SK isn't very balanced, and seems exceedingly unlikely.

Agreed SK is highly unlikely.

I think Torque was one of, if not the towniest slot. Ironically if Me and L&L are bits biggest scumreads it would mean Torque was being spewed town day 1 anyway.

It doesn't seem like the vig is compulsive so like. I don't get what you lose by waiting at least a night to see who scum prioritizes.

Y&T was a leading wagon so not like they were threatened by a nightkill.

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because this Alisae feels like Alisae from Team Mafia when I was being pushed by mastina

Which you were also mafia in. Regardless of alignment, don't change my mind.

No I was town in mini anime team mafia.

-Tataru

I know

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RC do you townlock GuyInFreezer?

No. I think he's higher than Rand scum but i only have team mafia and Korina is cult to compare to. One he was obvtown and the other he was just aggressively accurate.

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A.) I'm unsure on Y&T
2.) I'm still reevaluating Hiraki. I think the biggest thing for me was Hiraki challenging their own read on Any and why they were townreading them. But it looks worse with Abu flipped town. Not sure where that lands yet.
$.) I didn't have any opinion of Natirasha day 1. Not a fan of their day 2 but I can't decide if it's because I had already narrowed that Poe down or I genuinely don't like their day 2 posting.

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I wouldn't say only town. But thinking it over during my shift I've come to the conclusion Y&T's flavor fits a 1 shot vig. I want a flavor claim before the end of the day to confirm. There's only 1 flavor I'll accept for the role. Even then I believe there is more to the role but I'll leave it at that.

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No one bringing up that scum took a shot on wagon regardless of the vig stuff.

What do you think it means?

If Y&T is town there's scum in {L&L, Natirasha, Hiraki, Kerset} I townread Hiraki tbh and Hiraki/Natirasha are never partners.

The plan I was trying to get WD to push it I was modkilled was basically: Lynch off wagon / shoot off wagon.

In the subset of {L&L, Nati, Kerset} in that order. Then you force scum to keep their shots on wagon.

~Are you town reading Norwee and if so can you explain you read there and why they aren't in your PoE?~

-Light

They aren't together as partners and if Y&T is scum they townspewed Norwegian.

Didn't really townread Norwegian until he proposed leashing Y&T literally right after I gave WD the plan to leash Y&T and Poe down the offwagon slots in our hood.

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No one bringing up that scum took a shot on wagon regardless of the vig stuff.

What do you think it means?

If Y&T is town there's scum in {L&L, Natirasha, Hiraki, Kerset} I townread Hiraki tbh and Hiraki/Natirasha are never partners.

The plan I was trying to get WD to push it I was modkilled was basically: Lynch off wagon / shoot off wagon.

In the subset of {L&L, Nati, Kerset} in that order. Then you force scum to keep their shots on wagon.

~Are you town reading Norwee and if so can you explain you read there and why they aren't in your PoE?~

-Light

They aren't together as partners and if Y&T is scum they townspewed Norwegian.

Didn't really townread Norwegian until he proposed leashing Y&T literally right after I gave WD the plan to leash Y&T and Poe down the offwagon slots in our hood.

~Second question is if you still believe that it is likely for Y&T to flip scum, and if you believe that Y&T is town, if that changes your Norwee read at all?~

-Light

When they flavor claim I'll answer this.

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VOTE: Natirasha

Let's do this.

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No u.

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Nati isn't scum what the fuck.

-Tataru

Neither was Torque. Boop.

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My Poe is in a triangle where:
- kerset scumreads nati but L&L townreads nati.
- l&l possibly scumreads kerset for their vote on nati.
- Nati has 2 reads all game: Norwegian bad/Y&T good.

This is a purrdy good wagon.

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Ngl I read kersets vote as trying to dissuade me from pushing the wagon further.

But I quite like these developments.

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That sounds really backwards saying out loud but really fitting.

Also, agreeing more with my scumread in Kerset than Alisae at the moment.

These are troubling times.

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This is for future days but if Natirasha flips scum at any point Alisae is the next lynch and kerset is soft town.

I guess that last part is pending L&L's alignment.

VOTE: L and Light

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This game is gonna go downhill quick. Well, could anyway.

VOTE: Kerset if kerset flips town flip Natirasha or Alisae. I'm not interested in anything outside of this pool.

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Wait. Put a pin in that pool.

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2. There might be enough support, but I feel a low-presence person is an easier person to get a wagon rolling on with the least amount of effort, instead of trying to actually make a read, instead focusing on LHF.

It has been surprisingly hard to wagon low presence slots. Or get any meaningful wagon rolling for what it's worth.

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What is your reason for voting any of them RCE? Just info lynching or?

The chemist wagon mostly. With the recent L&L development there is either scum in {Natirasha, kerset, Hiraki} OR the exact team is {WD, Norwegian, gif} with Y&T as a swing slot

The first subset is nonvoters and has a higher probability of containing scum than all 3 scum being chemist voters.

The Natirasha wagon was great imo since it was forcing hard reads from kerset/L&L but there's no traction. That makes it my preferred lynch even more. Also Natirasha's response of I'm town I don't have to play just trust me, makes me want that lynch more cuz that's garbage.

But whatever Slims the Poe. I'll settle for other slots I think could be scum.

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Err I didn't explain I'm explicitly townreading Hiraki and I've removed them from my pool tentatively.

The alternate subset of on wagon voters has Norwegian that I think is probably town as explained so like any of Nati/kerset. I threw in Alisae because of their hard defense of Natirasha and I'm finding it weird.

That's not a public read, that's based on PT discussion. But I gave my reasoning for the Poe when I thought I was getting modkilled so Alisae could bring up leashing the vig claim and narrowing the nonvoters but didn't object to Natirasha being in the pool until I voted there.

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Damn RCE, how many times are you going to switch your vote.

As many times as I need to. L&L isn't a viable wagon today.

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Bless your heart VOTE: Natirasha

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Look at L and L's implied claim then look at your vote.

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This is a game that exists. With people that also exist. Allegedly.

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Not going anywhere near a Norwegian wagon.

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Prodded? I should think not! My lawyer will hear about this.

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Norwee, why is that you always feel the need to attack players that attack you?

This is kind of a self fulfilling question.

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@RCE, I apologize, I completely forgot about our votes changing together. I'll move back to Natirasha if you'd like, but Kerset mentioned that she won't be the lynch today due to Hiraki and Alisae, so I'd prefer to put my vote there.

I'm more than willing to discuss my reads on those players (if you'd be willing to put the time in to share your input).

All good. I tried to talk to Alisae about their wagon but don't think they got back to me on that so that triangle is still unresolved and will probably stay that way. I figured the Natirasha wagon would be face some turbulence, it's generally tough to get scum lynched without any partners flipped beforehand. Or a guilty I guess.

I do want you to brief me on your Norwegian read though. I feel like this wagon has weak legs to begin with but I was already townreading Norwegian.

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Wild theory:

What if scum has a reactive kill?

I was going to expand but I'll chill instead.

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I need like. An answer to why you've misplayed every part of your ability.

Anything about catching the sin eaters gets a vote.

Valid secondary option is to vig me tonight.

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I'm cool with nati or Y&T today.

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I'm cool with nati or Y&T today.

Do you think that any of those can be lynched today?

Through the power of friendship.

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This is the most meaningless fight in the history of meaningless fights.

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He seems to take the back seat to a lot of pushes, doesn't really call anything his own - he doesn't seem to want responsibility for any of his aggression and his vote goes everywhere someone else's read is

My issue with this is that it was a lie when it was first brought up and still is.

Norwegian was the first defense of Y&T, first to suggest leashing in thread, pushed Gif on day 1 ending. Pushed Alisae on their stance towards Y&T being sk.

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-alisae pushes you and you scumread them back

Also not true. Norwee opened the day so pushing Alisae. Alisae calling for his Lynch is just an elongated omgus. Also Alisae was townreading Norwegian yesterday and today post Y&T claim.

Someone asked how I feel about Alisae, not great. Not great at all,. The wagon was fishy to me but I can't put a finger on it and I didn't like Kerset pushing the Alisae wagon as the only possible wagon town can get through.

Actually now that I've written it down I think the reason I'm hesitant on alisaea wagon is because it's basically having to play through Y&T whom I already scumread but if town they're playing like they don't care anyway.

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He seems to take the back seat to a lot of pushes, doesn't really call anything his own - he doesn't seem to want responsibility for any of his aggression and his vote goes everywhere someone else's read is

My issue with this is that it was a lie when it was first brought up and still is.

Norwegian was the first defense of Y&T,

No, he wasnt. That was me.

first to suggest leashing in thread, pushed Gif on day 1 ending.

Great. Where does leashing get us?
Also him pushing lurkers at day end isn't exactly revolutionary, is it?

Pushed Alisae on their stance towards Y&T being sk.

Yeah, behind several other players.

No. This is only valid via the latest votecount but that votecount doesn't accurately account for Norwegians pushes. Reread day start, Norwegian was the original Alisae push. You joined that wagon with your own case but does not minimize Norwegians push and definitely does not make him a follower behind others pushes.

He joined me on Natirasha still under the impression that alisaes interactions with nati were suspicious in nature. That is consistency in reads and read associations as opposed to opportunism.

I think the notion Norwegian has hidden behind others pushing wagons is a narrative to further his wagon. I don't remember if it was Alisae or Kerset that brought it up first but it's bs that people are buying into.

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Great. Where does leashing get us?
Also him pushing lurkers at day end isn't exactly revolutionary, is it?

Leashing at best hits scum/at worst eliminates scummy targets or slims the poe. My preference was off wagon voters since scum targeted the wagon with their nightkill which tells me that pool is less restricting for scum.

Norwegian didn't push gif on the basis of lurking, he pushed Gif on their vote. Which both in and out of context looks scummy. I didn't really back it because there was a lack of content there to begin with so it's more of an unknown, but I can't say that I don't scumread hectic. I think there's a real possibility of scum there.

[RCEnigma]

Zzz VOTE: Alisae

[RCEnigma]

Also, I wasn't derp-wagoning Alisae, I had a legitimate scum read on them. For that reason, i think you should sheep me.

RCE request you roll. I feel pretty confident about this.

This was my preferred wagon yesterday and still is today, no need to roll VOTE: Natirasha

Also something interesting but not particularly damning, L&L is the only slot not mentioned at least once in Alisae's pt.

[RCEnigma]

Hiraki wolf based on? I'm curious because I was toying with the idea Hiraki could be the third until Titus started talking.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Titus

Choo choo!

-Tataru

why do you think hectic's slot is scum?

The posts were kind of just eh and I thought they could be bussing.

I also am not a big fan of Titus' entry.

-Tataru

...
but they were voting Norwee not Ali?

also do you really think that wolf!Titus immediately comes into thread scum reading 2 of the townier(based on flips) in the game and locktowning me?
the scum reads may or may not be accurate, but its just like, the boldness thats good.

also idk why you would target me I already said I didn't have any night actions.

well I completely forgot about that if that happened:v

-Light

The question wasn't directed at me but I don't think Titus comes in, sees the day 1 VC and surmises that all scum were on the chemist wagon and also shot on the chemist wagon.

That doesn't feel organic.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Titus

Choo choo!

-Tataru

why do you think hectic's slot is scum?

The posts were kind of just eh and I thought they could be bussing.

I also am not a big fan of Titus' entry.

-Tataru

...
but they were voting Norwee not Ali?

also do you really think that wolf!Titus immediately comes into thread scum reading 2 of the townier(based on flips) in the game and locktowning me?
the scum reads may or may not be accurate, but its just like, the boldness thats good.

also idk why you would target me I already said I didn't have any night actions.

well I completely forgot about that if that happened:v

-Light

The question wasn't directed at me but I don't think Titus comes in, sees the day 1 VC and surmises that all scum were on the chemist wagon and also shot on the chemist wagon.

That doesn't feel organic.

They shot on the opposing wagon. Smh

They shot gobble. From the chemist wagon...

Unless you're saying y&t was the vig shot and torque was the nk.

[RCEnigma]

1.3 pretty much clears me as there's no point in two scum sitting on a town wagon unless Y and T are also scum. I don't think anyone buys Y and T as scum with me anyway.

We both know this is bs.

[RCEnigma]

The hood thing is interesting though. This existed at game start?

[RCEnigma]

Yshtola and Tataru (5, L-2): L and Light, AbuHumaid, Torque, NorwegianboyEE, Enter

@RCE, AbuH is Gobble who was on the Y and T wagon.

You can't conclude scum shot off wagon if at day end, gobble was ON wagon.

IDC about the wagon he was on before hammer, or what wagon he was on in rvs.

[RCEnigma]

This won't really mean much to anyone else but alisaes pt interactions regarding Enter follow the same pattern as the ones regarding chemist. Alisae was fishing for that lynch from the beginning of the day and I bit.

[RCEnigma]

Yshtola and Tataru (5, L-2): L and Light, AbuHumaid, Torque, NorwegianboyEE, Enter

@RCE, AbuH is Gobble who was on the Y and T wagon.

You can't conclude scum shot off wagon if at day end, gobble was ON wagon.

IDC about the wagon he was on before hammer, or what wagon he was on in rvs.

Dude the Y and T wagon wasn't an RVS wagon. It lasted until VC 1.5 and had a counterwagon fight most of the day. You should care about which wagon people are on prehammer if you look at reactions or NKA.

How can you determine which reactions are good or bad without factoring who scum kill and why?

With context, mostly.

[RCEnigma]

This won't really mean much to anyone else but alisaes pt interactions regarding Enter follow the same pattern as the ones regarding chemist. Alisae was fishing for that lynch from the beginning of the day and I bit.

Actually it does. It's more evidence Enter's not scum on the Y and T wagon.

You would have to take my word for it.

[RCEnigma]

Yshtola and Tataru (5, L-2): L and Light, AbuHumaid, Torque, NorwegianboyEE, Enter

@RCE, AbuH is Gobble who was on the Y and T wagon.

@RCE, Tell me who is scum here.

It's not L and L because wagon position and confidence.
It's not Abu/Gobble. It's not Torque. It's not Enter.

FYPOV, this wagon is all town or EE is scum.

It could be all town. It's not even what I was arguing.

[RCEnigma]

Yshtola and Tataru (5, L-2): L and Light, AbuHumaid, Torque, NorwegianboyEE, Enter

@RCE, AbuH is Gobble who was on the Y and T wagon.

@RCE, Tell me who is scum here.

It's not L and L because wagon position and confidence.
It's not Abu/Gobble. It's not Torque. It's not Enter.

FYPOV, this wagon is all town or EE is scum.

It could be all town. It's not even what I was arguing.

But now you're getting closer to where I was focusing.

[RCEnigma]

I think kerset was the kill because she hit the nail on the head regarding why gobble was the n1 target. Which spews Y&T town.

[RCEnigma]

Yshtola and Tataru (5, L-2): L and Light, AbuHumaid, Torque, NorwegianboyEE, Enter

@RCE, AbuH is Gobble who was on the Y and T wagon.

@RCE, Tell me who is scum here.

It's not L and L because wagon position and confidence.
It's not Abu/Gobble. It's not Torque. It's not Enter.

FYPOV, this wagon is all town or EE is scum.

k I'm going to break character just this once

but this specific VC doesn't mean jack shit considering it's a hydra of Bitmap + trolling partner and it's early into the game

try again ty

~Y'shtola

So when did you stop trolling? If you were trolling, it's an easy place for scum like EE to hide all day. Particularly when your wagon lasts all day.

Sidebar, why does EE!scum flip reads on y&t considering chemist flipped town? Instead of pushing that Y&T was the counterwagon.

[RCEnigma]

All town wagon with a counterwagon lynch on town doesn't happen. Too much wagon participation. Y and T had value to the scumteam but not that much value unless you place Y and T as scum.

Having a scum ensures they have a fallback to lynch the troll if Chemist fails

This is mafia, everything happens.

[RCEnigma]

All town wagon with a counterwagon lynch on town doesn't happen. Too much wagon participation. Y and T had value to the scumteam but not that much value unless you place Y and T as scum.

Having a scum ensures they have a fallback to lynch the troll if Chemist fails

This is mafia, everything happens.

Actually Hiraki can vouch this just happened in our open.

[RCEnigma]

I think kerset was the kill because she hit the nail on the head regarding why gobble was the n1 target. Which spews Y&T town.

Go on.

Kerset caught y&t crumbing vig day 1 and theorized that scum was attempting to double stack the nk with the vig target to pin y&t as the mislynch d2.

Torque was a consensus townread however so they missed. I don't see another reason to target a claimed Miller unless they think enter is VT.

[RCEnigma]

Not sure what you're referring to. I don't remember games that well unless it's meta - not trying to be neglectful, just don't remember. I also think I did shitty in that game because people were being annoying and bullheaded. I think.

72 was an all town counterwagon to another town wagon. When I was doing vca in soft-boiled I fell into the same trap Titus is falling into here because my thought was that it doesn't happen in mafia.

[RCEnigma]

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VOTEcount 2.8

Natirasha

(3): Kerset, NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Alisae

L and Light

(2): Hectic, Hiraki

Alisae

(2): Enter, Yshtola and Tataru

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.9

Alisae

(3): Enter, Yshtola and Tataru, Hectic

Natirasha

(3): Kerset, NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Hiraki

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(1): Alisae

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VOTEcount 2.10

Alisae

(3): Enter, Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset

Natirasha

(2): NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Hiraki

NorwegianboyEE

(1): Alisae

L and Light

(1): Hectic

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.11

NorwegianboyEE

(2): Alisae, Enter

Alisae

(2): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset

Natirasha

(2): NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Hiraki

L and Light

(1): Hectic

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.12

NorwegianboyEE

(4,

L-2

): Alisae, L and Light, Hiraki, Hectic

Alisae

(3): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset, NorwegianboyEE

Natirasha

(1): RCEnigma

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(1): Enter

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VOTEcount 2.13

NorwegianboyEE

(4,

L-2

): Alisae, L and Light, Hiraki, Hectic

Natirasha

(2): RCEnigma, NorwegianboyEE

Alisae

(2): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(1): Enter

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VOTEcount 2.14

NorwegianboyEE

(4,

L-2

): Alisae, L and Light, Hiraki, Hectic

Alisae

(3): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset, Enter

Natirasha

(2): RCEnigma, NorwegianboyEE

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.15

Alisae

(6,

LYNCH

): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset, Enter, RCEnigma, Hiraki, L and Light

NorwegianboyEE

(3): Alisae, Hectic, Natirasha

Natirasha

(1): NorwegianboyEE

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Speak quickly now. Time is short.

~Y'shtola

Nati is the attempted but failed mislynch so they bussed Ali instead.

Alisae easily could have pushed the nati lynch over. I was actively campaigning against nati in the pts and they could have easily credited their read switch to my cases.

[RCEnigma]

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VOTEcount 2.8

Natirasha

(3): Kerset, NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Alisae

L and Light

(2): Hectic, Hiraki

Alisae

(2): Enter, Yshtola and Tataru

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.9

Alisae

(3): Enter, Yshtola and Tataru, Hectic

Natirasha

(3): Kerset, NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Hiraki

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(1): Alisae

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VOTEcount 2.10

Alisae

(3): Enter, Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset

Natirasha

(2): NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Hiraki

NorwegianboyEE

(1): Alisae

L and Light

(1): Hectic

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.11

NorwegianboyEE

(2): Alisae, Enter

Alisae

(2): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset

Natirasha

(2): NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Hiraki

L and Light

(1): Hectic

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(0): ...

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VOTEcount 2.12

NorwegianboyEE

(4,

L-2

): Alisae, L and Light, Hiraki, Hectic

Alisae

(3): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset, NorwegianboyEE

Natirasha

(1): RCEnigma

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(1): Enter

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VOTEcount 2.13

NorwegianboyEE

(4,

L-2

): Alisae, L and Light, Hiraki, Hectic

Natirasha

(2): RCEnigma, NorwegianboyEE

Alisae

(2): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(1): Enter

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VOTEcount 2.14

NorwegianboyEE

(4,

L-2

): Alisae, L and Light, Hiraki, Hectic

Alisae

(3): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset, Enter

Natirasha

(2): RCEnigma, NorwegianboyEE

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.15

Alisae

(6,

LYNCH

): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset, Enter, RCEnigma, Hiraki, L and Light

NorwegianboyEE

(3): Alisae, Hectic, Natirasha

Natirasha

(1): NorwegianboyEE

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Tell me, which do you see and to which you would point.

Speak quickly now. Time is short.

~Y'shtola

Nati is the attempted but failed mislynch so they bussed Ali instead.

Alisae easily could have pushed the nati lynch over. I was actively campaigning against nati in the pts and they could have easily credited their read switch to my cases.

Nati wagon would be too overloaded with scum. Remember EE is scum too.

Why would this matter more than chemist wagon being overloaded with scum?

[RCEnigma]

I think kerset was the kill because she hit the nail on the head regarding why gobble was the n1 target. Which spews Y&T town.

Go on.

Kerset caught y&t crumbing vig day 1 and theorized that scum was attempting to double stack the nk with the vig target to pin y&t as the mislynch d2.

Torque was a consensus townread however so they missed. I don't see another reason to target a claimed Miller unless they think enter is VT.

This is something I would never agree with as Y and T could just shoot again?

They shoot the Miller to frame Y and T though. I can see that.

Could easily have a day3 rb or protective on the scum team. If d2 it isn't outed that y&t is 1shot* then that's probably the kill over kerset anyway. The mislynch avenue is closed.

[RCEnigma]

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VOTEcount 2.8

Natirasha

(3): Kerset, NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Alisae

L and Light

(2): Hectic, Hiraki

Alisae

(2): Enter, Yshtola and Tataru

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.9

Alisae

(3): Enter, Yshtola and Tataru, Hectic

Natirasha

(3): Kerset, NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Hiraki

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(1): Alisae

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VOTEcount 2.10

Alisae

(3): Enter, Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset

Natirasha

(2): NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Hiraki

NorwegianboyEE

(1): Alisae

L and Light

(1): Hectic

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.11

NorwegianboyEE

(2): Alisae, Enter

Alisae

(2): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset

Natirasha

(2): NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

Kerset

(2): L and Light, Hiraki

L and Light

(1): Hectic

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.12

NorwegianboyEE

(4,

L-2

): Alisae, L and Light, Hiraki, Hectic

Alisae

(3): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset, NorwegianboyEE

Natirasha

(1): RCEnigma

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(1): Enter

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VOTEcount 2.13

NorwegianboyEE

(4,

L-2

): Alisae, L and Light, Hiraki, Hectic

Natirasha

(2): RCEnigma, NorwegianboyEE

Alisae

(2): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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(1): Enter

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VOTEcount 2.14

NorwegianboyEE

(4,

L-2

): Alisae, L and Light, Hiraki, Hectic

Alisae

(3): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset, Enter

Natirasha

(2): RCEnigma, NorwegianboyEE

RCEnigma

(1): Natirasha

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VOTEcount 2.15

Alisae

(6,

LYNCH

): Yshtola and Tataru, Kerset, Enter, RCEnigma, Hiraki, L and Light

NorwegianboyEE

(3): Alisae, Hectic, Natirasha

Natirasha

(1): NorwegianboyEE

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Tell me, which do you see and to which you would point.

Speak quickly now. Time is short.

~Y'shtola

Nati is the attempted but failed mislynch so they bussed Ali instead.

Alisae easily could have pushed the nati lynch over. I was actively campaigning against nati in the pts and they could have easily credited their read switch to my cases.

Nati wagon would be too overloaded with scum. Remember EE is scum too.

Why would this matter more than chemist wagon being overloaded with scum?

The Chemist wagon isn't overloaded with EE being scum.

Then your pool would be nati, l&l, Hiraki. You've already cleared L&L as town and called Nati the mislynch attempt.

So from your pov it's Norwegian + Hiraki OR all scum were on the chemist wagon.

[RCEnigma]

I went through a period where I waffled on my nati read thinking Alisae was attempting to hard pocket the slot as opposed to trying to protect a partner.

Natis rigid reads make me feel a lot better about the slot flipping scum however. Alisae trying to hard pocket me would make me double take because it's possible my reads are off and I'm pushing a scum agenda but maybe that's just me.

[RCEnigma]

What input?

[RCEnigma]

Enter banned for cheat codes.

[RCEnigma]

Can only really be me, Hiraki.

Id rather talk setup, how many protectives do you think balances town having a 1 shot vig?

Also Tia Freyre. I think that's right, just wanna see what that does.

[RCEnigma]

Oh idk why I didn't flavorclaim after Alisae flipped but I'm Akko from little witch academia.

[RCEnigma]

It fits with Alisae kind of sidelining their questioning of my townreads day 1 after I told them Hiraki was a slight townread.

[RCEnigma]

I lolynched nati. She wasn't useful to town anyway.

[RCEnigma]

Titus and Hiraki both need to flavorclaim.

[RCEnigma]

Humor me Titus. I don't find the flavor to be insignificant rolewise.

[RCEnigma]

Checks out. I struggled with that since overhaul kind of fit with roleblocker (he wants to eradicate quirks basically) but it didn't tie in with his actual ability all that well.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think you're scum I just wanted to humor a world where scum!Titus uses a botched kill for a big brain play. Mostly so I could justify me wasting my check but meh.

[RCEnigma]

I have a 50% chance of getting a result when targeting a player.

Targets:
Alisae N1: Shut-in
Kerset N2: Weeb
Norwee N3: No result
Hiraki N4: No result

??

[RCEnigma]

No one is going to ask how Enter got a town result on the miller? Just me?

Ok, Enter how did you get a town result on the miller?

[RCEnigma]

Ascetic wouldn't block a kill right? Just investigations huh.

[RCEnigma]

I have a 50% chance of getting a result when targeting a player.

Targets:
Alisae N1: Shut-in
Kerset N2: Weeb
Norwee N3: No result
Hiraki N4: No result

This doesn't say no result.

[RCEnigma]

2 cops, roleblocker, conditional pgo, x-vig, pt spy, and the only negative utility for town is a Miller. Technically I could be negative utility since I can commute indefinitely but that's really only if I'm scummy and needed to be checked in a Poe.

[RCEnigma]

There's a part of me screaming that L&L could be the last scummer but it's not as strong as enter mishandling the checks.

[RCEnigma]

I count as a cop for flavor if I choose.

[RCEnigma]

Feels like norwees role was specifically for me doesn't seem like anyone else can self target.

[RCEnigma]

So I had this fear that Alisae was scum with Enter so I went in the PT with the thought that what Alisae was asking about enter would get back to him. But the theater was purrdy good on Enters end so like... It really helped that Alisae was lynched and couldn't keep leading me around.

[RCEnigma]

Sorry bout spearheading your lynch nati I'm just extremely bad with vca I've learned.

[RCEnigma]

I was so very not invested in this game and it showed when I screwed up multiple mechanical factors at the end of this game.

I don't think you were the lynch if you didn't claim cop. And also the kerset thing.

[RCEnigma]

Tbf the only impactful role was Titus roleblock and Titus repping into that slot saved town.

Idk about fakeclaims but as long as the role vaguely fit the flavor I think you can argue your claim successfully.

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Enter you probably could have claimed vt with your flavor and I would have bought it. Or some kind of x-shot conditional redirect.

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Tbf the only impactful role was Titus roleblock and Titus repping into that slot saved town.

Idk about fakeclaims but as long as the role vaguely fit the flavor I think you can argue your claim successfully.

This is wrong on a level I'm not certain you can understand because you weren't in my shoes.

Fair enough. But I'm a simple guy and easily distracted so.

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in general, just using the thread to communicate to your partner was pretty townie

The enter thing? I didn't find it super townie, but didn't mind it at all.

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Enter you probably could have claimed vt with your flavor and I would have bought it. Or some kind of x-shot conditional redirect.

I need to convince more than just you. Additionally, I don't know if my character is connotationally evil or even what abilities I can fake claim that aren't going to contradict my character's flavor.

Fair, not being familiar with a character is a disadvantage for sure. Your character is just a "psychic" con man. Doesn't have any abilities to speak of besides the gift of gab.

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yeah
what enter said is a toughie because all I had to go with was the bits of flavor that was in my PM and what you said about the character

Yeah this was only slightly intentional sorry. I picked characters that were more obscure. I thought it was a straight up upick though.

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I have no idea what would be fake claimable with Hanadori. But probably anything?

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Enter I was very close to campaigning for you to live over L and L before your claim. Just for the fact that Alisae had believable theater with either option and L and L's claim wasn't able to be tested without just losing the game. A nudge might have gotten me there.

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Was it Alisae that started the mass flavorclaim? I think that could have potentially helped a lot if you guys were more into anime. I know enter is only into a couple shows.

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I really thought Y&T was Megumin until the hero pt was brought up.

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Yeah I mean you probably felt cornered so I get it. I just think you could have gotten away with it.

Bring up the conflicts with Alisae.
Bring up the day 1 lynch and argue that last scum was off wagon.
Like you got bit to reconsider on Hiraki. But j don't think I was ever lynching Hiraki there. You had to push me or L and Light.

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Bitmap is a loose potatocannon.

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I kinda gave up reigning bitmap in :V

Think I unfairly attributed that play to you Alisae but... I super wanted you guys dead for day 2.

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Yeah I mean you probably felt cornered so I get it. I just think you could have gotten away with it.

Bring up the conflicts with Alisae.
Bring up the day 1 lynch and argue that last scum was off wagon.
Like you got bit to reconsider on Hiraki. But j don't think I was ever lynching Hiraki there. You had to push me or L and Light.

Bringing up why you're town makes it lose weight
Investing in discussion when town has a way to win mechanically makes you look defensive and draws the lynch in your own direction
Light and Hiraki were the two players with kill stopping actions. I had to have one of them dead to achieve a kill reliably.
I think it would be a lot harder to sway light or Hiraki than you.

Yeah fair point. I guess best case is a 50/50 on who Hiraki targets between me or tatsu. Which sucks.

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I think just not shooting them right away instead of waiting a bit longer or shooting an unreadable slot is better in that situation.

This mostly, I'll always be in the camp that holstering is the right play.

I think at the time though I was just mad because torque was my only true townread and it would have made blocking easy having them around.