Mini Normal 2130: Mafia From Home [Game Over]

[72offsuit]

VOTE: Vote: Unabomba - terrorists are most definitely associated with the mafia

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Of this player roster, I have previously played with:
Luca Blight and Egix96

I am currently in games (for the first time) with:
NorwegianboyEE (NBEE) and Battle Mage (BM)

[72offsuit]

Hi everyone, how’s it going y’all? Just popping in to show that i am indeed reading the game and participating in the discussion. I see we’re all making RVS votes, well that is totally cool. I can do that too, as evidenced by my vote below. Always such a good time playing together with the brilliant players at Mafia scum tehe~
Hope you all have a nice day and a big greeting to you all~!
VOTE: 72offsuit

Having fun?

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I'm pretty sure the post immediately before it is all the context you need.

Yep. post 19. Meta related.

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Watch me wagon scum d1 again peasant

Sausage makes this early mason claim in every game of his. Just pretend you're impressed and say he's a funny boi. That should make him feel validated.

Stupid weeb didnt you learn after last game

Forgive me my liege.

You better kiss his ring and shine his shoes.

[72offsuit]

Can we chill with the claims for now? Half the scum's kill list has perhaps been established now for no real reason or benefit.

This feels really forced and LAMISTY

Ano: -0.5 scumlean: dirty-fly-in-your-soup

[72offsuit]

Riabi’s questions/confusion feels somewhat genuine. Light TR there.

Why do you think confusion is town-indicative?

The only confusion meta i could find for Riabi was in a scum PT in game Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=24200

Post 354: Wait, I'm confused... we killed both max and saint?
Post 375: Ahh, that makes sense. Ok. Dunno why I mis-read that.
Post 383: I'm not sure how that counter claims Bashir... walk me through that?

Scatterings of replacement out as town, in mini normal 2130, Newbie Trees game, mini normal 1775 no confusion meta there that I could see.

All the games are pretty old, 2016 or earlier.

[72offsuit]

Already sorry for falling off for a moment here.
Will try to scavenge an inkling of a read soon.

Until that however, I will give you list of players that I feel like I can read correctly once I get enough actions to analyze:

profii
Luca Blight
Saudade

The rest of the list feels barely familiar, if at all.

I do not think anyone in this game actually knows what I'm capable of doing as town (or appreciates it?), but then again, I'm only starting to get back in to this thing.
profii has played with me the most out of the whole playerlist, I think, but based on the latest game they do not think much of me as a scumhunter..
And fair enough, they did win!

So what are ypur thoughts so far regarding these players?

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Oh, and if I remember correctly, Luca Blight is a terrifyingly good player.
So some second hand -paranoia will be directed there since Boon isn't playing..

He isnt that good. Steamrolled him here in a newbie game :p

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1150

[72offsuit]

To be fair I think that is probably the most effective way I've seen a game leave RVS

Here he’s sitting back and admiring his work, trying to milk a bit of credit for moving the game out of RVS, but he doesn’t do anything with it. All he says is this:

I believe profii. Easy Day 1.

UNVOTE: Looker
VOTE: Saudade

I've decided I'm going to town read this. It took some consideration

Which doesn’t really do anything to move the game further.

1. "I can see the milking the credit" point you are making,
But what were you expecting him to "do with it"?

2. He has posted a read on a player. How does this not move the game further?

[72offsuit]

Work busy will catch up tomorrow

[72offsuit]

I am a town neighbor, my neighbor is 72.

What is your result?

Can confirm, so unless Luca is a scum neighbour, Una is lying.

VOTE: Una

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My reads from yesterday.

Townlean
Riabi
Saudade
Luca Blight

Slight townlean
Egix96

Null-town
Looker
Zantetsu

Null
NorwegianboyEE
Battle Mage

Scumlean
Churros
UnaBombaH

Scumread
Anotora

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Townlean
Riabi

64 - Riabi genuinely seems to have investigated into Saud's mason claim, meta diving into him

137 - Townie vibes - I feel as tho !scum Riabi would have hopped onto Norwe's logic in 136 about Profii being overly self-concious,
from the get go rather than fight it, if profii was the mislynch that Riabi was after.
Given this exchange happened so early on in the day, it gives me townie vibes.

Riabi following up Luca's case on profii felt genuine and like a natural progression in scum reading profii

593 - Pretty much agree with Riabi's reads and the reasoning behind them, which makes me feel like Riabi is reading this game from a town-perspective
I have Saudade higher, but I can see from Riabi's view why he is lower on Riabi's eyes.
NBEE I have as null, though I didn't see anything amongst Riabi's reads on NBEE as being forced or disingenuous
BM I have lower, as null - felt townie during the day but the early hammer was bad and denied me posting my reads and getting reaction to my reads from others.

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Townlean
Luca

135: Townie vibes - Luca pressures profii and the wording of the post, feels like the sort of post I make as town
"Lurking only helps scum.So if you are town, don't lurk. If you are scum, lurk to your hearts content." - Newbie 1987,post#198.


The case on profii overall felt town-motivated and the progression of the scumread felt genuine. Agreed with the meta read


388- Increasing pressure on the lower-posting players including Churros, Looker, myself and Anotora, is in line with a town-motivated mindset


Agree with Luca's read on Churros in 464 - feels like Churros pocketing of NBEE, and then basically is threatening NBEE that he wont TR NBEE, if NBEE SRs Churros.


526's I like Luca's pressuring of Churro's lurking, which provokes reaction and causes Churros to become overly defensive

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Townlean
Saud

Townie vibe despite his grating and jerk-like attitude. Antagonistic and aggressive attitude but basically zero buddying and in-your-face.
TRs Riabi despite their constant arguing - I feel like !scumSaud would SR and tunnel Riabi in this situation

Outs his reads and they feel genuine - and backs up his reads.
He TRs NBEE in 289 , and then actively actions his read, rather than just a read for read's sake - he defends NBEE in 483 / 484 after he gets just 1 vote

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Slight Townlean
Egix

98 Townie vibes - Not only agrees with my read, but rather expands on it, not merely buddying/sheeping.
Agree with his theory that this post feels like a scummy mindset to be focused on night kill

355 Points out an appropriate flaw in Looker's logic - feels like an appropriate tone towards a slot I read as null.

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Null-Town
Looker

Scummy in that he mostly fluff posts, almost no elaboration regarding reasons for votes

Townie vibe off 496 - Explains his reasoning for voting on Churros, which feels genuinely town-motivated.
Agree an AFK followed by a vote on a leading wagon is scummy.
I pretty much did the same thing in a game I replaced in as scum later on in day 1.
Scum read the scummiest looking town player that others were already voting.

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Null-town
Zan
Most of his early game posts I find bland and mostly NAI, not really game-progressing in any way.

315 reads list followed by 334 reads explanation give me townie vibes.
The reasoning in the profii wagon analysis makes sense and I agree with the townleans on Egix and Luca, as well as the scumlean on Churros and Anotora.

436 and the "Informed theory sounds like a stretch and feels like red herring/distraction posting

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Null
NBEE
Lots of posts, but nearly all of them are NAI.

Like 236 Questioning the gap in Una's logic i.e not mentioning BM's presence on the profii wagon


Dilike 335 - agree with BM that it feels like scum buddying. It feels a bit forced and artificial too.


368 Reads list looks fairly close to my own, disagree with Zantetsu as a strong townread and Riabi being null.
NBEE then proceeds with voting in 555 to "wake him up" resulting in the lynch of profii, despite having him as null. Scummy.

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Null
BM
Early game townie vibes.
Agree with Riabi that BM has been antagonistic and provoking reactions. Voting for Riabi in 34 and Zantetsu in 37 albeit with weak reasoning, felt like progression taking town out of RVS phase.

I agree with BM's 200, the case against profii, the meta of Mini Normal 2121.
The scumread of profii feels genuine.

202 - Agree with his statement regarding Una's disinterest Proffi's being at L-2.
Disagree with his read of Anotora - I see nothing about Anotora;s post as being town.

206 - Hate the early ask for a claim - scummy

279 - Review of interaction between Una and Profii and the analysis of the profii wagon feels like genuine scumhunting.

621 - Scummy post and vote. Early hammer denied me posting my reads and getting reaction to my reads from others.

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Scumlean
Churros

Lynchpool of Profi/Una/Riabi/Anora is most of the "usual suspects" - the average of who most players find scummy, which feels like he is preparing for easy mislynches.
Agree with Looker's 496 theory - AFK followed by votes/FOSes on leading wagons is scummy.

Feel like he is buddying me by repeating multiple times about Una voting for me.


Agree with Luca's read on Churros in 464 - feels like pocketing of NBEE, and then basically is threatening NBEE that he wont TR NBEE if NBEE SRs Churros.

464 Churros scummily calls the SR on himself as "reachy" and shady, which I think town would acknowledge this as a reasonable read.
Overly defensive.

528 - overly defensive regarding Luca's 526 questioning of Churro's lurking
Describes himself as a top wagon, despite only 2 votes on him. Suggestive of a survivalistic scum mindset.

623 - townie vibe off this post - agree with Churros that BM's vote feels scummy with his attached "NBEE needs to be lynched" comment

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Scumlean
Una


In 99 he states that he can read correctly profii, Luca and Saudade given enough info.
In 149 I ask him on his thoughts on the 3 slots he identifies with most, given profii voted, Luca voted for Profii, and combined the 3 slots have a third of the totalposts between posts 100-148
Una doesnt respond.
Then in 203 BM repeats my question. Had to ask him twice. Feels like scum delaying making a call on these slots after stating they are the slots they can read the best.


230 - Meme-votes despite profii being at L-1. Especially a player he sees he can get a handle on, and one he later insists he doesnt want lynched.
This contradicts with his meme-phase vote on me, with 0 votes. Saying he doesn't want profii lynched, but not doing much about it.


267 - Accuses me of being on a solo wagon at the time thus not game-progressing. 5 others were on solo wagons - Zantetsu, Churros, Looker, BM and profii.
Feels more like an accusation from survival-minded scum influenced by me voting him.


480 - Rambly post that ends with him talking about the scenario of PR profii claiming VT
- "So assume I was informed profii has a role - I would've wanted him dead the moment he claimed VT and said he was ready to die."
Irrelevant, when does PR ever claim VT?

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Scumread
Anotora

32 Twisting Zantetsu's
Impression "knew" re: mason claims


42 Lamisty - Overly serious about Saudade for post 42 in the game while we were still in RVS/meme-phase


66 Lamisty and feels like an Unnatural/Forced post - "Can we chill with the claims for now? Half the scum's kill list has perhaps been established now for no real reason or benefit."
I agree with his theory that this post feels like a scummy mindset to be focused on night kill


225: Accuses Saudade of playing defensively and being reactive, rather than showing initiative.

Ends the phrase with "seems to be his thing", which feels like an 'out', if they get questioned about the read on Saudade, they can just shake it off by saying,
"ye its probably just his posting style", if townreading Saudade proves more convenient later on. I get the impression Anotora is hdedging their bets here.


284: Ockam's razor - Town should be concerned with the most pressing and relevant posts/reads and scenarios.
I don't get a noob vibe off Zantetsu, so Anotora's fear of a Zantetsu lolhammer did not feel realistic.
Feels like scum trying to appear to be contributing, but actually distracting with irrelevant posting

[72offsuit]

Also did a quick re-read and some notes on

Anotora

and

Unabomba

:

Can we chill with the claims for now? Half the scum's kill list has perhaps been established now for no real reason or benefit.

As bad as that post is, (and as others have noted, it is BAD), nothing else about Anotora says anything other than town to me so far. And if Profii is scum, I'd be even happier with Anotora-town as I don't think she would want to be seen 'pocketing' her buddy so conspicuously on page 1.

Unabomba - Not the most engaged so far, but very apologetic about that. Made a good observation about Churros, and still voting there. Keen to emphasise how talented he is, and also Luca is "terrifyingly good". Key thing is, I don't understand why he's so disinterested in the fact Proffi is at L-2, when he claims to know proffi better than anybody, so surely has a view?

In post 99, you said you were particularly good at reading Profii, Saudade and Luca. (As 72offsuit asked you already) Can you please give your thoughts on each so far?

Particularly the first 2, as Profii has the biggest wagon, and I have no earthly idea with Saudade.

For clarity, I'm happy with a Proffi lynch today, but no rush on that.

For now, all I'm willing to say is that profii shouldn't be the lynch D1. I'll get back to this D2, I think.

I think D2 might be a little too late - so sharing now would be grand!

72offsuit is more likely to flip scum.
They need to bluff to get anything out of that hand anyway, so likely scum.

VOTE: 72offsuit

Someone you believe should not be lynched is at -1, and you're...random voting? Rather than saying why?

That said, I think if you were buddies with proffi in this spot you would bus him, so Proffi-scum = Unabomba-town

If there’s a vig you’re the ideal target anyway given your claim.

I’m actually wondering if Profii/Una is s/s after all. Such weird interactions.

Weird interactions? That's some understatement!

These are my notes:

Proffi getting heat. Una silent.
Proffi getting bandwagoned. Una with weak half-hearted defence.
Under pressure, Una comes up with really bad defence of Proffi
Proffi comes up with weak theory Una is scum (note that Norweg rates this theory).
Proffi suggests if he is town, Vig should kill Una.
Una argues with Proffi about whether he could be bussed (implying he thinks Proffi is scum?)
Una explicitly states he does not want Proffi lynched today.
Una focuses on attacking Norweg, and arguing with Proffi.
Una says don't kill him or Proffi.
Proffi says kill him, instead of Una.

Wow.

If proffi is scum, would una-scum not just bus him? Una too keen to be seen defending Proffi for me to believe they could be scum together. Una defence of Proffi based on gut and the fact he believes he can read him later - argument to keep himself in the game. Doesn't really justify the strength of his convictions here.

Proffi took opportunity to turn things onto Una with little justification. Comfortable recommending Una was lynched. Then, after wagon had moved to Una, changed his mind, and said it would be better to lynch himself.

Interaction of Luca and Norweg interesting. Norweg claiming credit for "strongarming" the Proffi wagon alongside Luca, when I think Luca's argument was overwhelmingly the major factor in that (so when Proffi flips scum, Norweg shares the plaudits). Luca following Norweg off Proffi, onto Una. But Proffi-scum surely means Luca-town, as I can't see why he would go to effort of creating such a strong case against Proffi to then not go ahead with the bus.

Overall, I'm definitely more comfortable with my Proffi vote. Stronger individual case to be scum, more inconsistent than Una (although slightly more logical), lots of info on relationships to be gained, no risk of outting a power role.

I need to do a read of Norweg later, as a Norweg-Proffi pair is very possible.

I’m actually wondering if Profii/Una is s/s after all.

Yeah... it may seem like it, but at the same time it feels almost too good to be true...

Una's stance would be a tremendous gamble if he was scum with Proffi. And surely if they were scum together they would be better co-ordinated than this?

Although that may be WIFOM or some other acronym I can't remember?

Here is a very rough list of who I'd prefer to lynch today (bottom is best option, top is worst option). Tricky because a lot of reads are dependent on others, and I definitely need a re-read tomorrow.

Order of lynch priority today

Luca Blight
Saudade
Looker
72offsuit
Egix96
Anotora
Riabi
Churros
NorwegianboyEE
UnaBombaH
Zantetsu
profii

Yea, Looker is the designated mislynch for scum today apparently.
Think of him as profii 2.0.

Norwegian might say whatever he wants about it, but my gutread on profii was accurate, and I wish enough of you guys could've trusted me just a bit more.

I'm comfortable you're probably town. And also Luca and Norweg are probably town.

Who do you think is scum?

Scum:
Zantetsu
Anotora
Churros

Neutral:
72offsuit
Riabi
Egix96
Looker

Town:
NorwegianboyEE
Luca Blight
UnaBombaH

This is roughly where I am in terms of reads. Interested in exploring the Anotora-Churros relationship as possible partners. I need a re-read of Zant, but outstandingly my top pick for a lynch today.

This progression doesnt make sense to me. How is Una in your town category when in your "Order of lynch priority today" that you posted yesterday Una was your number 2?

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In 233 you say Una is town if Profii is scum, but profii flipped town

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I am a town neighbor, my neighbor is 72.

What is your result?

Can confirm, so unless Luca is a scum neighbour, Una is lying.

VOTE: Una

What's a scum neighbour? I assumed this was like a mason, but the whole point of masons is they are confirmed town to each other. So you're saying you confirm Luca's claim, but it doesn't mean he's town?

Neighbours can be town or scum.
Just type neighbour in wiki.

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I am a town neighbor, my neighbor is 72.

What is your result?

Can confirm, so unless Luca is a scum neighbour, Una is lying.

VOTE: Una

Then just hold the phone.
I am simple. Per the wiki:

Simple is a role modifier that modifies the way in which an active action is used; it causes the action to fail, as though it were roleblocked, when used against a player who is not vanilla. In other words, only Vanilla Townies and Goons of the various anti-town factions will be affected by a Simple action; other players are too complex to be vulnerable.

Meaning that I should've gotten a "no result" from Luca if this is true?
I didn't, I got a result.
I already sent the mod a PM because I had a hunch there might've been a mistake in the result, but if this was really a mod-mistake, I'm done with this game.

If you are in fact the role you state, there are other ways in which you would get a no result, unrelated to your role, eg: a scum roleblocker.
Why are you convinced that Luca is scum AND that I am also lying based on your result?

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nvm i see you say your result was "not Vanilla"

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Una's play here makes sense as a scum PR. He is basically a scum role cop to make it easier for mafia to kill town power roles. His role doesn't make a lot of sense as a town utility.
He fake claimed to discredit the push on Looker whom i am certain is his scum teammate at this point, and make us lynch Luca instead.

You are saying you think Una fake claimed to get Luca lynched, just to die himself the next day? 1 for 1 trade scum for town doesnt seem likely to me.

UNVOTE: Una

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And here's a perfect example of what I mean, you're voting Anotora based on a post that has no reasoning behind it, and doing so without any reasoning of your own.
Do you have an actual reason for your vote?

Obviously - everyone that voted for Anotora yesterday is dead.

This is obviously false. So do you have an actual reason for your vote?

It's because your ISO was and still is, weak.

Weaker than Anotora's?

At this point I would say yes, your ISO is weaker than Anotora's. Admittedly it's a tough call.

Why are you talking about weak as opposed to what is scummy?
From the vibe im getting of Looker and Zantetst's posts Weak ~ lurk. Lurk often is not alignment indicative on its own.

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I am a town neighbor, my neighbor is 72.

What is your result?

Can confirm, so unless Luca is a scum neighbour, Una is lying.

VOTE: Una

Why do you think it's more likely that Una is lying than Luca is a scum neighbor?

Because I have a townlean on Luca and scumread on Una

[72offsuit]

Neopolitan on town neighbor would give result "Luca is not a vanilla townie", since that's what neopolitan does -- gives positives on vanilla town and negatives on everything else.

Can someone confirm if this is how mechanically the role should work?

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There's clearly been a mod error, but the way Una has gone about it doesn't sit well with me.

He has a hunch there was an error, but rushes forward to reveal his result anyway? Why not wait for the mod's reply, and why the certainty that I'm scum based on that ambiguous result?

It could be he's trying to use the situation as a 'dumbtell' to be townread. That's a pretty low thing to do but I've seen it happen. I'll wait and see what his explanation is anyway.

I'm also wondering why Una, as Town, would have targeted me anyway? Was he scumreading me D1?

Agree

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This makes sense now. Scum lynching town, then blaming the town lynch on mod error to avoid being lynched with a townie flip due to his 'report'

Una = scum
Luca = town

VOTE: Una

[72offsuit]

Ok well with that somewhat clarified, and in the spirit of the day, I'm claiming as well

I'm a '

PT Cop

', which means I can investigate people and find out if they are in private threads (which presumably is because we have neighbours and scum).

Last night I investigated Zantetsu and he came up positive. Given the claims and his reaction seems pretty unlikely he is a neighbour/mason, so he must be scum.

Vote: Zantetsu

How have you come to the conclusion that Zantetsu is unlikely to be a neighbour/mason?

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If Zantetsu is scum as Battle Mage claims, it raises the possibility that he is trying to redirect our attention from one of Luca/Una. As evidenced by his "This is probably a mod error" stance.

Luca is also saying he thinks its an error.

@NBEE - So do you agree its a mod error or not?

[72offsuit]

Zantetsu should claim. In fact i’m starting to wonder if a mass claim wouød be best at this point. Then we can do setup analyzis and find out who is the most believable.

Wow, asking for a mass claim in a closed setup. Scummy.

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Can someone explain the Mod error thing to me? Like, if the Mod made an error, does that mean Una is confirmed town? and Luca-72offsuit confirmed neighbours?

I don't see how this really confirms anything about Una's alignment. Although there is the argument being raised that this is too stupid of a strategy for scum!Una to do. Personally i'm not really townreading Una based off that. Regarding Luca, assuming Una's only claim on Luca being guilty is that he is "not VT" then that is definitely not convincing enough for me.
It does seem silly that Luca/72 would confirm being neighbors if they are both scum. So i'm not going to question the neighbor claim, but whether or not they are both town neighbors is up to debate.

Have you ever seen a scum-scum niehgbourhood? What do you think would be the purpose of this?

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BM I have lower, as null - felt townie during the day but the early hammer was bad and

denied me posting my reads and getting reaction to my reads from others

.

Null
BM
621 - Scummy post and vote. Early hammer

denied me posting my reads and getting reaction to my reads from others

.

Ok I get the hint! But it was hardly an early hammer, and based on how you'd played on Day 1, I don't think you really believe I was scummy for hammering before you could post your reads.

I said in 358 that I was going to catch up and despite that, you still hammered with from memory, like 2 and a half days left?

[72offsuit]

Ok well with that somewhat clarified, and in the spirit of the day, I'm claiming as well

Nothing has been clarified. But nice job trying to pick your moment for this bs claim.

I'm a '

PT Cop

', which means I can investigate people and find out if they are in private threads (which presumably is because we have neighbours and scum).

What a convenient role for you to claim, given that it suddenly has the same effect as a cop given the fact that a neighborhood was just revealed.

Last night I investigated Zantetsu and he came up positive. Given the claims and his reaction seems pretty unlikely he is a neighbour/mason, so he must be scum.

This is complete bs. I could not possibly have come up positive in an investigation by a PT Cop. I am not in any private threads.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Yes, agree, the timing on the claim seems convenient.

@ BM If you thought your report was effectively a guilty, why did you not come out of the gate posting as such?

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Like yeah, it buys scum an extra day. But he get’s outed as scum and people can use that association to find the next scums. The only plausible explanation i can see is that he fake claims to protect someone else being wagoned, but wouldn’t that also become apparent if he was exposed?
I just don’t see what scum!Battle Mage would gain from faking a guilty on you at this stage of the game. And you’ve even made it clear that you’re claiming no PT’s on your person. So explain that result then?

This fee;s like the same argument as with Una.

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And where does that leave 72offsuit?

He could still be town. If Luca flips mafia neighbor, then he is most definitely town. It doesn't make much sense for there to be 2 scums in 1 neighborhood.

k, i see you answered.

[72offsuit]

Oh wow.
I'm going to give you my full role now, and I do not feel bad about the way I acted.
I just think this is a bullshit role to have, compared to the way it works.
I've lost all interest in this game now, because my honest opinion is that my role doesn't work like it "should".
I've consulted the wiki almost ten times after I got my Role-PM, and thought my role works in quite a clear way.
I even made a clear implication to the mod before the game started, about how I assumed my role would work, and he didn't feel like correcting me.

My actual role, and full claim is

Simple Combined Neapolitan Doctor.

My actual result after mod doublechecking is "not Vanilla Townie".
Now, I checked multiple times from the wiki, and it explicitly says

Simple is a role modifier that modifies the way in which an active action is used; it causes the action to fail, as though it were roleblocked, when used against a player who is not vanilla. In other words, only Vanilla Townies and Goons of the various anti-town factions will be affected by a Simple action; other players are too complex to be vulnerable.

MEANING THAT I SHOULD ONLY GET THIS RESULT FROM A VANILLA-MAFIA, RIGHT?!?

Well, now mod has returned to me, and given me an answer.
Since I can't directly quote our PM's, I'm going to paraphrase it next:
My doctor action only works on vanilla town. Sure, makes sense.
But I'm then told that I will still get a "Not Vanilla Town" -result, on anyone that doesn't have a "Vanilla Town" role pm.
WHY?
Why doesn't the Simple-modifier affect on the FIRST ROLE MENTIONED, BUT AFFECTS THE SECOND?

wtf. You say you are a Simple Combined Neapolitan

doctor

, not a Simple Combined Neapolitan

cop

???????

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Oh, and the mod also says I will only get "no result" if I'm being roleblocked or the target is ascetic.
But the part I quoted from the wiki in my latest post clearly says that simple would cause my actions to fail if I target someone who is not Vanilla. (alignments aside)

I dont understand why as a doctor you are getting results. Your claim makes no sense.

[72offsuit]

Bah, that was an inconsiderate post to make, I'm sorry.
I would've been fighting Covid in Naples with my luck anyway..

k, here is the ref to naples

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So you're saying Luca might not be scum after all? As he has claimed a non-vanilla townie role!

All we know for a fact is that he is in a PT, and he is not a Vanilla

TOWNIE

.
He could still be a Mafia Goon (and I do think he is because my action went through on him anyway), but the way the mod answered my question to him, makes it seem like it's not a 100% guilty after all.
And that pisses me off like hell.

Why do you keep putting this Luca might be a mafia goon theory forward?
He claimed nighbour and I confirm he is in a neighbourhood with myself.
Your possible Luca = goon theory would mean that both of us are scum as has been previously mentioned several times.

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You will see that as

Una is concentrating on profii

, he is signalling that he knows something about profii that the rest of us do not.

Una
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rofii

Una is cop

I'm lost. You knew that Una was a cop and crumbed it? How and why?

Last night I investigated Zantetsu and he came up positive. Given the claims and his reaction seems pretty unlikely he is a neighbour/mason, so he must be scum.

Vote: Zantetsu

Who's all fighting here? Is it just BM vs Zantetsu? Also, Norway vs UnaBombah? Who's on who's side so I can make a decision.

Agreed, and I think this kind of puts us in a holding pattern for the mod to confirm whether or not there was an error, doesn't it?

Does this mean that the game comes down to setup spec and mechanics? Was someone's cover blown?

Egix96 is worth a read in light of Zantetsu-scum.

Is Egix even still in this game?

I read a bunch of your old games...

I'm sorry you had to go through all that. I promise I'm trying to be better.

But then it doesn't seem possible that town!Una actually is simple neopolitan who got a

+

Whoops ignore the last sentence of my last post, it was some garbage that I accidentally left in when writing my post.

Seems like a potential PT-slip from scum.

What's the slip? I don't get it.

So you're saying Luca might not be scum after all? As he has claimed a non-vanilla townie role!

All we know for a fact is that he is in a PT, and he is not a Vanilla

TOWNIE

.

I don't think neighbors count as vanilla.

Like, I play in the normal queue to avoid this stupid bullshit.

Most of this has gone over my head.

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• I wish Norway would put some effort into this game.

Yes agreed. This game is way too convoluted for me.
I thought by signing up in the normal queue I was going to get a straightforward closed setup, that would involve fake claiming but have standard roles.
Think ill stick with the newbie queue.

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Zantetsu should claim. In fact i’m starting to wonder if a mass claim wouød be best at this point. Then we can do setup analyzis and find out who is the most believable.

Encourages a mass-claim, which is just scummy as fuck when someone has just claimed a guilty result. Only scum could benefit from a mass-claim at this point.

Agreed.

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Gives scum license to make up any claim under the sun that is convenient with what has already been claimed.

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If Norwegian turns out to be Town then I’m gonna be pissed, but right now I’m convinced that isn’t a townie thought process and only comes from scum trying to maneuver into position for the win.

Lynch Zant -> Norwegian, and if he flips Town then he’s fucked the game anyway by this ridiculous push and I’ll happily take the next lynch.

Current bet for Norwegian’s partner would be my neighbor, 72. The way he’s lining up the Egix invest makes me wonder if there’s some manipulation (false clear?) there, though.

Elaborate, how are you linking myself with NBEE?

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Lol, i'll be back when 72's read through the game.

I've read through now

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BM and Zantetsu are basically CCs so 1 scum lies in the 2.
I think BM is more likely to be scum

1. I townleaned Zantetsu and dont get any scum vibes from today. BM was null and I really hated the hammer on profii yesterday
2. I don;t like those pushing the Zantetsu lynch - Una is scummy as and NBEE has been scummy as with suggesting a Luca 1-2 lynch tomorrow.
3. As far as I see, a town aligned PT-cop is a weaker form of a cop, as far as I can understand it would give a:
- yes they are in a PT" result for any mafia
- yes they are in a PT" result for any masons/neighbours.
- no, not in a PT result = innocent

Therefore a scum-neighbour would give the same result as a non-neighbour-scum, so what would be the utility in the role?

This implies to me that Luca is town, or the mode has useless roles.

VOTE: BM

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Lol, i'll be back when 72's read through the game.

I've read through now

So Zantetsu is most likely scum. Yes?
Who do you believe his teammates are?

No, I think Zantetsu is town and BM is scum.

Scummy play from you today and now you are asking me leading questions.

I haven't read into associations, I dont think they are very useful at all pre-scum-flip.

I'll look through, both BM and Zantetsu scum pairs tomorrow or the day after. (11:11pm here now)

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Oh and what's your take on Battle Mage's and Una's claims? Do you think they are town? Do you think Luca is scum/town?
What night actions should Battle Mage/Una take?
What's your take on Egix's Friendly neighbor claim? etc etc...

I think BM is scum, see my previous post.
I think Una is probs scum who has fluffed a fake claim.
If Una's claim is genuine should doc on biggest townread. IF we lynch between Zantetsu and BM, then if we lynch scum today, should go doc on the other, or WIFOM, - flipping a coin.
If BM's claim is genuine, should PT biggest scumread, other than myself or Luca since we have claimed neighbours and corroborated each other.
I townlean Egix and I don;t think !scumEgix comes out with such a claim at this point in time.

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I think Luca is probs town.

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Most likely scum partners:
Zant: NBEE, Churros, Anotora, Looker, Egix
BM: NBEE, Una, Churros, Anotora, Looker, Luca

Like i said though, dont put much merit to preflip associations