Mini 2131: Furret's Bizzare Adventure Part 2 (over)

[Alyssa The Lamb]

If I had known this was a blitz, I wouldn't have signed up on that account

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Anyway what were the questions addressed to me again

I think they were just explain 2/3 my reads but I might as well ask to be sure

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It was something around page 15 to 18 that made it clear to me but I don't remember exactly what it was

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Do you guys ever get the feeling that town are either proactively or being manipulated into primarily suspecting town?

That's the impression I get from this game

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Namely a lot of the people taking up the most space and attention feel a lot more town than those who are playing but not quite being that high up

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Btw I think this is probably the case because a lot of the shit happening now has a source in the first like 8 pages

And a lot of stuff after that isn't really getting properly vetted the way I'd expect it to

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Alacrity is an outed alt

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VOTE: MariaR

Shrug

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Am I doing enough to blend in yet?

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Alyssa opinion on Pine?

I think he's okay enough to survive d1

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Lol did I really get five votes after I cheekily posted pointing out how little I've been doing

This game is funny

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Tbh the pace with how little the game actually progresses is pretty demoralizing for me too

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Granted part of it is the alt choice but it really feels like we are on page like 10

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Ginngie's case is so derpy too that I can't actually get a read on it

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Still fine on Alyssa but these vote changes are too fast for me to track

I also think shading the Alyssa wagon for being low-info but not the pine one is probably not a great look if Pine flips town and Alyssa flips scum

p-edit: weh

I just find it really funny that when people start looking for lynches on people not as around, the slot that advocates something similar with a bunch of posts quoted indicating just that is the first choice

That irony makes the potential lynch worth it

[Alyssa The Lamb]

My reass haven't really changed

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Reads

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Thanks ginngie

Have I done enough to blend in yet?

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VOTE: ginngie

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VOTE: ginngie

I'm not saying this is lamb giving up

but this is lamb giving up

:3

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Nice edit mark

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Ginngie is a really funny player

I need to play with him more often

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Okay somebody read ginngies back and forth with me and tell me your read on him pls

This should be enough to be able to sort him just fine

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And me now that I think about it

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Yup!

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I'm literally toying with you lmao

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Can somebody tell me if that is a legit analysis by ginngie pls

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is Alyssa Ank or something? I know that sassy witty comments anywhere

I'll never understand how people can see through alts

This is my new main

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I've been trolling you ever since you cased me

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VOTE: Menalque

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Does we everybody agree that this is strong evidence that ginngie is town?

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Okay somebody read ginngies back and forth with me and tell me your read on him pls

This should be enough to be able to sort him just fine

And me now that I think about it

You're both boring, and both exaggerating the problematic parts of the other. You two seem to be doing your own dance while the rest of us are off working.

I think it was very enlightening actually

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Alyssa did you like that mailman gambit in Legend of Zelda

Alyssa do you think my questions to MariaR are traps?

That was really bizarre and idk why you did that

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LMAO GET REKT ALISAE

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Idk about trap questions

That post MariaR quoted would have made more sense as a pressure tactic or just a question, the way you worded it didn't really work

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Not like that lol

I don't understand why anyone would send somebody a guilty unless they wanted it pushed immediately

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I confirmed you as town from my point of view. I would do that tactic 100 times out of 100 in that game (and possibly others).

You can send a guilty to a scumread though

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I confirmed you as town from my point of view. I would do that tactic 100 times out of 100 in that game (and possibly others).

You can send a guilty to a scumread though

What? You were a scumread lol. I didn’t like your tunneling on Jam. Anyway I think scum doesn’t out that info in most cases

On a scumread sorry

Not a guilty on myself

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VOTE: Chemist

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I was the biggest for like an hour lol

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No, your vote on Mena made you tied

Yes but I still die if it ends like that

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VOTE: menalque

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VOTE: alyssa

Just ugh

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I'm too burnt out for this

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I suddenly feel this is TvT
Fuck everything

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look at these SPICY auction thingies

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No way town Titus picks those things. String her up

why does scum Titus pick these things lol

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idk

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my read on the game is that I want some sleep because why the fuck am I even awake right now

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higher info

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you know it bb

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lol my scumgame is legendary?

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I was going to go into a bit of why my scumgame isn't as good as people think it is

but it really just comes down to both my townrange and scumrange being massive so I'll just save the effort and leave it at that

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lol my scumgame is legendary?

I mean, it’s known at least

from literally ONE game

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Alyssa who are your top suspects right now?

Hell if I know

I'm resetting and ignoring d1

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I was also at work for the last 6 hours of the day

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ok fl

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ftr I maxed out on the ninja at the start of the day

so it's basically pointless to bid on it

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ftr I maxed out on the ninja at the start of the day

so it's basically pointless to bid on it

Why did you do that?

there's no utility for me in the setup outside of making the scumteam either work for their utility or to force them to give it up

I don't want any of the PRs and I feel like I'm inevitably going to get lynched anyways so I might as well do at least this much beforehand

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VOTE: Chemist1422

rawr

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VOTE COUNT 1 . 11

MariaR

---------- 5 ( Gobbledygook, Titus,

PenguinPower

, Datisi, Alyssa the Lamb )
Pine ------------ 3 ( Menalque, Bingle, Pink Ball )
Gobbledygook ---- 2 (

MariaR

, Gamma Emerald )
Pink Ball ------- 2 ( Chemist1422, Ginngie )

VOTE COUNT 1 . 12

MariaR

---------- 4 ( Gobbledygook, Titus,

PenguinPower

, Alyssa the Lamb )
Pine ------------ 3 ( Menalque, Bingle, Pink Ball )
Alyssa the Lamb - 3 ( Ginngie, Datisi, Chemist1422 )
Gobbledygook ---- 2 (

MariaR

, Gamma Emerald )

does anything look off about these (:

[Alyssa The Lamb]

btw I'd like to point out that the way MariaR treated me throughout the game is very similar to how she treated me throughout day four of the TM2020 large

this isn't necessarily indicative of anything since she's good enough to be able to fake that and I historically have the capability of directing my scumpartners on how to treat my slot (meaning I was likely preparing for the possibility of going down in the case I'm scum today), but it is food for thought in that the assumption that I'm scum alongside MariaR means that there has to be more going on that makes this type of play worth it when you consider our mutual actions throughout the rest of the day.

that said, I strongly strongly doubt that with MariaR being the lead wagon at that point and my wagon starting immediately afterwards that there weren't scum hopping onto it, and historically it's not impossible that the wagon was very scum rich based on how easily it just fizzled out completely. I would at least be shocked if the entirety of the non-MariaR wagon on me at roughly that time was town, which would leave Bingle + Menalque + Pink ball + Gamma Emerald as holding both remaining scum. I don't think this is the case.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I can actually get pretty good mileage from analyzing the vote counts fully I think

if anyone wants to color them in for me, I'd be very happy because I have other projects I want to do today while I have a day off from work and trying to extract half the VC from like 20-25 of them isn't something I really care to do right now

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the fact that the Menalque market manager wagon was Menalque + MariaR + Chemist1422 would be absolutely hilarious if they were all scum

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Ginngie/Titus/gobbledygook are pretty undisputedly town from my POV, although if Chemist flips town, GG is not necessarily in this category anymore

Pine's weird sheep onto my slot is something that I don't expect scum!him just does, especially if he goes and unvotes immediately afterwards claiming to suddenly read my catchup on this account. I get that his scumrange is pretty big, but this type of thought process is a bit out there for scum to try to come up with and I can see town having this sort of process show up when they're behind and not entirely sure about what they want to do. I will note that the way he handled the MariaR wagon at the same time has more scum indicative potential to it, but I suspect that PP wouldn't have been the nightkill if that was the case...? It's stretchy but I'm not seeing the pieces fit from a scum perspective very easily.

Menalque + Bingle + Datisi + Chemist1422 + Gamma Emerald

this feels right

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I really think picking a utility lynch that will sort the most slots accurately is optimal for this game since we're close to a critical mass of having enough obvtowns to where scum's only potential to come back into the game is with night action shenanigans, and we are already on a good track on constraining those.

someone should max out on the auction detective, just in case

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I disagree with Titus' analysis that both auction detectives should've been posted today as well as gobble's analysis that this rand is inherently antitow; having both hitman and ninja show up today with exactly one of the auction detectives is actually a very good thing for town since scum now have to make a difficult choice between:

1. Getting one or both of the ninja/hitman and provably constraining their own potential to get PRs, giving town control over future PRs and forcing scum to think much more mechanically and giving town a free method of hard-guiltying one or both scum AS WELL AS a potential second shot at that same PR without the ability to prevent town from getting it.
2. Forgoing both PRs and the auction detective, giving town more PRs that they can potentially use to mechanically close out the game (and removing two of their methods of countering those from the game) for the price of a single PR being useless
3. Sniping the auction detective and one of the PRs. This prevents the immediate damage of both the above, but it gives a lot more future risk since the scumteam still cannot stop town from getting the PRs they want as well as still leaving an auction detective that can guilty both scum.

I already maxed out on the ninja
Whoever maxed out on the hitman needs to claim it
Someone needs to max out on the auction detective, but don't claim it

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Huh

what

is it that shocking that I'm playing the game?

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a bunch of preplanned posts

wat

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I’m sheeping alyssa here on pine

wat

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It's a bit surreal putting like 10 minutes of thought into a game and being sheeped on it

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That sounds like a really bad idea

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And not even because it's me being lynched

It's actually because I assume mafia can hide bids and they can just use it on ninja to add extra wifom to the game

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VOTE: Pink Ball

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Oh

Bingle is scum

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Fuck blitzes

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VOTE: Pine

Whatever

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VOTE: PB

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Cool

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hi I'm a ninja

rawr

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VOTE: Bingle[/vote

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lol get fucked

VOTE: Bingle

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myself fucking up the vote tags

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menalque is the most likely second scum but I'd need to double check the list first

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btw did datisi claim to put money on anything?

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it's Bingle + Menalque/Pine

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I think everybody else is confidently town actually

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Alyssa why did you switch to PB last second

something you said pinged town and I wasn't townreading PB

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Pine

Chemist1422
gobbledygook

Menalque

Titus

Bingle

Alyssa the Lamb
Ginngie
Gamma Emerald

yup

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hey before you all check out from the game

maybe look at the fact that the auction detective got sniped while there's confirmed no bids above 500

in what fucking universe does that happen where I'm scum

[Alyssa The Lamb]

by that same token

what universe does that happen where GAMMA is scum?

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yeah yeah wifom w/e

it's really fucking convenient for scum to have sniped the 250 gold auction detective after I explicitly told town to MAX IT OUT while letting two town max out on the ninja/hitman

and then sniping somebody who likely still has all their money

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hey before you all check out from the game

maybe look at the fact that the auction detective got sniped while there's confirmed no bids above 500

in what fucking universe does that happen where I'm scum

Uhhh did you typo? The Auction Detective bid was hidden

and chemist says he didn't get it

[Alyssa The Lamb]

this shit has bingle's name all over it

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aite I give up on this game

sheep my reads when I flip, thanks

[Alyssa The Lamb]

scum are within Bingle + Menalque + Pine

flip all three and you win

gg

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byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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lol

yup menalque is scum

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VOTE: alyssa the lamb

LYNCH BINGLE TOMORROW
LYNCH MENALQUE AFTER THAT

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Fast Day Please

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Alyssa can you explain your scumreads?

yesterday's auctions were way too precise, it gives scum the most possible options while limiting town in the most possible ways; the datisi kill was on somebody who likely had most or all of their money which furthers this

Menalque's extreme focus on getting market manager when he's scum with MariaR + Bingle makes a ton of sense if you think about why that scumteam would want to go that route

Menalque's entrance today was the most fake bullshit I've seen in a long time, just look at how different it is from literally everybody else's entrance (naturally excluding Bingle and Titus who haven't posted yet)

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unless we lynch her or she's scum, scum will never end up having control of the auction options at this point

X

scum don't need it.

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I've seen Titus be wrong with mechanics in a scum way

the way she was wrong with mechanics in this game was not in a scum way

she's town

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I've seen Titus be wrong with mechanics in a scum way

the way she was wrong with mechanics in this game was not in a scum way

she's town

How was she wrong with mechanics?

you can manipulate the auctions to forcefeed town information about what scum are doing

what she tried to do doesn't achieve that, but the type of mindset she used is something I can see town!her easily coming to especially after not specifically wanting it

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I kind of don't know what's happening

we're lynching me and then lynching my scumreads because I solved the game

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oh I remember

I didn't want chemist lynched anymore because nobody else claimed a higher bid on the auction detective

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I've seen Titus be wrong with mechanics in a scum way

the way she was wrong with mechanics in this game was not in a scum way

she's town

How was she wrong with mechanics?

you can manipulate the auctions to forcefeed town information about what scum are doing

what she tried to do doesn't achieve that, but the type of mindset she used is something I can see town!her easily coming to especially after not specifically wanting it

Fair enough
How would you have approached the selection for yesterday or today?

hard to tell without being there tbh

the auction detective + double negative modifier ended up being optimal though I think, whatever it takes to be able to keep track of how many snipes scum have and forcing scum to decide between killing priority players (which functionally should have been grabbing those items first now that I think about it) and grabbing their roles

scum can just snipe whatever PR they want generally so it's not really a good idea to just rely on luck of the draw to get good PRs

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I’m having a hard time trusting you, Alyssa. Your end of day actions on both days is, quite frankly, terrible if you’re town.

yeah welcome to what happens when I'm not given time to let my thoughts mellow in my head

[Alyssa The Lamb]

you don't even have to care

flipping me takes care of the trust issue completely

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I really need to sleep so I'm leaving

VOTE: Bingle

I'll park here but I really don't care which gets lynched

I will keep following along because I have no self control but I've said all I need to, do whatever you want with it

[Alyssa The Lamb]

you don't even have to care

flipping me takes care of the trust issue completely

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Afaik I'm lockscummed because I apparently forgot that pink ball was in the game when I made some reads list

I don't care to refute something that stupid sorry

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Thank you for walking me through your confbias

That really helped everybody out

[Alyssa The Lamb]

If you're going to put on a show, at least make it entertaining

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Do what shit

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What the fuck do you expect me to do when you start a heavily biased engagement only to throw the "this thing you did only comes from scum" card when I basically tell you that the reason I'm being lockscummed is stupid in the first place and I that the best way to resolve it is to flip me

At best you're putting on a show, at worst you're trying to look busy to make up for the fact that you don't have anything else to say about it

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Btw Titus I wouldn't risk the dayvig

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What the fuck do you expect me to do when you start a heavily biased engagement only to throw the "this thing you did only comes from scum" card when I basically tell you that the reason I'm being lockscummed is stupid in the first place and I that the best way to resolve it is to flip me

You're basically claiming you can't be scum because you're too scummy to be scum. I do not buy that.

No I'm claiming that I can't be scum because my PM says town and I want to show the class that so flip me

[Alyssa The Lamb]

What the fuck do you expect me to do when you start a heavily biased engagement only to throw the "this thing you did only comes from scum" card when I basically tell you that the reason I'm being lockscummed is stupid in the first place and I that the best way to resolve it is to flip me

At best you're putting on a show, at worst you're trying to look busy to make up for the fact that you don't have anything else to say about it

I could see it as apathetic town somewhat but the change between mindsets is what really makes it look bad
And I was hoping you would give enough reason to not lynch you today so I could focus on other slots. At this point though I’m just going to settle for your lynch and not worry about trying to sort past it.

If what I've provided today isn't enough then nothing I say will be enough

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Titus appears to be seeing the light

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Because everybody else is town and you're transparently scum

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Feel like explaining why you try to shut down everybody's posting when it doesn't exactly fit into your worldview?

Its not like you have any pressure if you're town here

[Alyssa The Lamb]

As long as you bus bingle tomorrow then you might have a chance to win the game

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Because everybody else is town and you're transparently scum

There has to be one other scum. I'm not certain Melanque is scum or town. He just gives me the creeps when I slot him either way.

VOTE: Bingle

Bingle + Menalque + chennisden has both scum

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Because everybody else is town and you're transparently scum

I think if you were town you’d find it a lot easier to do much better than this

People aren't going to listen and I bet people will blame me for getting myself lynched over listening to anything I say after I flip anyway so I'm really not putting any effort in anymore

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Do you mean ninja claim

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Ok now I'm pretty certain it's bingle + chenn

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Literally just lynch bingle and block me

Scum can't risk killing

Lynch chenn, block me again

Free mislynch since scum can't conftown me

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Is it only one shot?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Oh the roleblocker really is only one shot

Imo they should claim if they used it already

[Alyssa The Lamb]

If you can find value in a roleblocker being hidden if the shot is used, then go for it

But I don't want to plan around a rb shot being used and then later have it being claimed to not be used

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Probably town

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The way he challenged Titus didn't have that weird feeling attached to it like he had to shut that down

It makes sense with how he's been handling votes today

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'm going to bed

Good night