I only use SUMIFS, never SUMIF, and INDEXMATCHES. All other formulas are pretty useless.In post 11, HoldenGolden wrote:Applications for my crusade against the darktimes are open! Please have at least 3 years worth of crusading experience and utter holy proficiency with Microsoft excel.
Yeah, I think I just don't like your style, which is fine.In post 62, Datisi wrote:remeber the game before where we were TvT and screamed at each other for 100 pages before you quickhammered me? good times.
Not upset? Style reminds me of my snarky days. Not a big deal though.In post 67, Madoka wrote:What about his style don't you like? Also, are you OK, Hiraki? You always seem upset.
This is weird.In post 68, bugspray wrote:withholding ai content like this only hurts town unless you're doing some weird galaxy brain gambit
The last post. Yours was not worth responding to.In post 76, bugspray wrote:hiraki whats that in repsonse to? the pagetop sort of makes it hard for me to follow the flow of posts
In post 77, Luca Blight wrote:How do you know I can’t metaread them well?
In post 75, Hiraki wrote:but talking to someone about their meta is about the worst way to figure someone out using their meta. This is something that was clearly shown through your conversation.
Why do we need to compare ourselves? From the person who can throw suspicion based off of meta reads that aren't very well formed,In post 77, Luca Blight wrote:Again, I’m not sure what you’re expecting a few pages in, but you’re not exactly offering a lot yourself.
This isn't a complaint? What should we characterize it as?In post 77, Luca Blight wrote:but you’re not exactly offering a lot yourself.
Who on earth is cornering me? My scumread?In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Hiraki - i'm getting some scum-cornered vibes.
Why?In post 91, Luca Blight wrote:But when you’re criticizing people for dumb conversations and the like, I’d expect to see something superior from yourself?
Don't worry about what you're saying? Go ahead and play but ignore what you're saying?In post 101, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i don't know what to tell you man. you just give me defensive vibes. don't worry about it. go ahead and play.In post 93, Hiraki wrote:Who on earth is cornering me? My scumread?In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Hiraki - i'm getting some scum-cornered vibes.
From your point of view, sure. I don't expect you to agree with me.In post 104, Luca Blight wrote:Otherwise what you’re spouting is just hypocritical nonsense?In post 95, Hiraki wrote:Why?In post 91, Luca Blight wrote:But when you’re criticizing people for dumb conversations and the like, I’d expect to see something superior from yourself?
Nope! Just a lapse in what I was thinking. I stated this pretty clearly below. The below doesn't make sense with my vote on George.In post 105, Luca Blight wrote:In post 93, Hiraki wrote:Who on earth is cornering me? My scumread?In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Hiraki - i'm getting some scum-cornered vibes.Lol, perspective slip?
When did I become your scumread?
In post 63, Hiraki wrote:Perfectly fine with my vote atm. This conversation seems more than forced and really dumb. I don't get how a conversation that has nothing to do with the game will help you figure out something that has to do with the game when you don't even have a good grasp of Datasi's meta after 3 pages. And Datasi has the most posts in this game by far without me checking.
Asking you a question is me getting in your face about something you said is getting in your face? Do you think I'm even a little intimidated?In post 106, humaneatingmonkey wrote:but it's nice to see you get in my face.
I'd like to do a meta dive into bugs. Not really someone that you can read with the lol zaniness!!!! lamist!In post 107, Datisi wrote:hot take: bugs is not town
Keep threatening! I am ready for your vote at any time! 87 has more than enough to go on but I'm tired and it's late. That can be tomorrow.In post 114, humaneatingmonkey wrote:but it's nice to see you react to it because that part's almost AI.
Small teaser! Let's ask the game about this but never actually say what I think!In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:How many scum do you think we have in this setup? Is there a possibility of third-party factions?
Voting me - don't act like you're not trying to force a scumread on me. You're already saying it.In post 122, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Hiraki, what exactly am I threatening you with?
do you even scumread me?
What part of reacting to YOUR post makes it AI? The part where I reacted? My reaction where I asked you for an answer? It's a threat through and through - don't act like it isn't.In post 114, humaneatingmonkey wrote:but it's nice to see you react to it because that part's almost AI.
Sure. Do you see the value in asking a question but not actually giving your own opinion?In post 124, humaneatingmonkey wrote:you don't see the value in discussing possible setups?In post 120, Hiraki wrote:Small teaser! Let's ask the game about this but never actually say what I think!In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:How many scum do you think we have in this setup? Is there a possibility of third-party factions?
What tells were you going to obtain from setup speculation?In post 125, humaneatingmonkey wrote:RQSIn post 123, Datisi wrote:huh, now that hiraki's mentioned it. what was the purpose of this question?In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:How many scum do you think we have in this setup? Is there a possibility of third-party factions?
In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i'm not sure if scum goes to the game and says "well im gonna research their meta and make fake townreads based on that, so i can be seen as town."
If there's something worth saying, say it. This is absolutely not worth saying and is filler at best.In post 87, humaneatingmonkey wrote:not getting a lot of "excited to know more about the town" vibes from him.
Failure to address how you're threatening me for asking you questions? You can say "Defensive! Defensive! Defensive!" all you want but in order to me defend myself from something, there has to be something to defend myself against. You have stated multiple times that there's nothing - you even went to the point of saying that my reaction to you is an OMGUS, even though I'm fabricating your SR on me. Yet by asking you questions, I get responses like this:In post 142, humaneatingmonkey wrote:it has everything to do with whatever i said. so what part about it doesn't feel like a response?
In post 101, humaneatingmonkey wrote:don't worry about it. go ahead and play.
In post 106, humaneatingmonkey wrote:but it's nice to see you get in my face.
So are you intimidating me because I'm "defending" myself or are you intimidating me because you don't really have good answers and you're trying to get me to screw off?In post 114, humaneatingmonkey wrote:but it's nice to see you react to it because that part's almost AI.
And PS, just to make this clear, when he votes me - let's make sure to ask why he's voting me and see how many times the word defensive pops up!In post 146, Hiraki wrote:even though I'm fabricating your SR on me.
Can people really read human's post and get town vibes? This part clearly states that he thinks I'm suspicious because his posts are incriminating. Also in the same post -In post 134, humaneatingmonkey wrote:My read on you is you're a bit suspicious trying to make my flaccid posts seem like rockhard towering posts that screams I'm scum.
???In post 134, humaneatingmonkey wrote:It's almost OMGUS. "OMG you think I'm scum!" Again, which is non-AI.
In post 153, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Hiraki, you're OMGUS-ing so hard right now
In post 134, humaneatingmonkey wrote:It's almost OMGUS. "OMG you think I'm scum!" Again, which is non-AI.
Weird - did he say OMGUS was AI in his vote?In post 154, Hiraki wrote:In post 153, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Hiraki, you're OMGUS-ing so hard right nowIn post 134, humaneatingmonkey wrote:It's almost OMGUS. "OMG you think I'm scum!" Again, which is non-AI.
You must be a legend on the Mafia Discussion boards with logic like this. I must have 9 years of shitty experience for me to be duped so hard by you.In post 172, humaneatingmonkey wrote:your trying to pre-empt a vote from me by saying i'd be scum if i vote you is AI.
i'm now thinking why you had to make me look threatening and intimidating. it could be that your buddies are Datisi or bugspray, and you don't like how they're getting attention.
did i solve it? if i did, please quote this post on end game.
Ah, beautiful. Not sure if you're stealing but I will deem it satisfactory for the moment.In post 199, shiki wrote:it means that it felt like monkey wanted to scumread you but make no real effort to push you right then, but you engaged him on his scumread to the point where he could no longer ignore it.In post 195, Hiraki wrote:What does this mean?
If I can add to this, this theory isn't held up very well. I remember reading about it once in the mafia discussion forums (probably awhile back now). I also think that in my own personal view that scumdriven wagons are usually those that are working rather than stagnant. The logic behind it is solid but it's not very practical. It requires a lot of teamwork on the scumside which usually never works out for a good scumteam that tries to be independent to hedge their losses.In post 219, HoldenGolden wrote:The theory is rooted in VCA mixed with thread review. From my understanding, if there is a clear majority (4 main wagon with 1-2 on sub wagons) or if there is an equal and unmoving spread (3 2 vote wagons for example) the main wagon is thought to be stagnant if it remains like that with little change in the thread's opinion on the wagon(s). People might be posting that Y and Z are scum along with X, but X is still the person they vote for.
Assuming a few factors such as X is not scum, then this is advantageous for scum. They have a mislynch, are spreading the seeds for other lynches afterwards, and they don't have to stick they neck out to save a buddy or secure it. Since the thread is focus on lynching that person, it also tends to take heat off them. Compare this to when one of their members are in the main wagon's against a townie and, upon review either post game or later in the game, the members of the mafia not being vote are sticking their necks out to vote the other wagon thus saving their teammate.
For me, it falls apart because the timeframe is not something easy to notice in the moment while playing and tends to me more noticeable after the phase it occurs in. Furthermore, it is also assuming scum does not just bus their partner and that there are multiple scum alive to actively derail the wagon on their partner. Plus some scum are most likely going to remain on the scum buddy wagon if the defense does not work well. One scum alone really can't shift off the pressure any differently than a town can in this context.
Besides, It also has only been 15~ hours so not nearly enough time to call it stagnate let alone when considering what has been happening in the game.
My vote is metaphysically on both. There's no reason for me to switch if the wagons are the same. If you really want me to, I guess I could. I don't really care.In post 226, HoldenGolden wrote:Hiraki, If you agree with me about the points I made with HEM, why are you voting still for Luca?
SI was a flip on VI. Instead of village idiot, it would be scum idiot.In post 230, Madoka wrote:Hiraki, what does SI and NB mean?
See?In post 270, shiki wrote:VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
Did you even read what I said after 51? Or did you just skip it and go to that post?In post 289, GeorgeBailey wrote:This felt weirdly defensive for Datisi, especially after you say something likeIn post 60, Hiraki wrote:What's the point of this conversation? Are you going to SR him or something?
In post 51, Hiraki wrote:Actually, upon a re-read, I don't like 90% of Datisi's posts and I'm not sure if it's worth a SR or if it's just me being a little cranky at 1:30 AM.
Where on earth did "agressiveness" become a scumtell? Aggressiveness is a remark on one's playstyle. You can be an aggressive townie or an aggressive scum.In post 295, GeorgeBailey wrote:Yeah after reading Hiraki's interactions with Luca, a lot of Hiraki's points felt aggressive and out of nowhere, especially when Luca's conversation with Datisi felt like he was trying to shift the game out of RVS.
So let's be clear here - you think I'm starting to put in seeds to SR Datisi then I decide to defend Datisi based off of something you're saying is weird and isn't worth it? Does that make sense or are you just saying that I'm making terrible moves in this game?In post 298, GeorgeBailey wrote:The question was clearly to get Datisi's opinion on his current state, it didn't even come across as opportunistic. It feels like you're defending Datisi when he isn't even being attacked. Which is why being aggressive is relevant to the scumtell.
In post 298, GeorgeBailey wrote:Like, your point for not liking Luca's conversation is that he has no grasp on Datisi's meta and that he shouldn't comment/ask about it?
Are you even reading the thread?In post 75, Hiraki wrote:Because you're trying to metaread someone that you clearly cannot metaread very well and you were tetering on trying to call them scum based off of that. You can say that "oooohhh noooooo I was just trying to figure it out!" but talking to someone about their meta is about the worst way to figure someone out using their meta. This is something that was clearly shown through your conversation.
If I was going to SR him, why wouldn't I just do it? It's Page 3. What am I supposed to say? Here's my 50 page long post on why X is scum?In post 306, GeorgeBailey wrote:you were insinuating you were going to SR him
In post 306, GeorgeBailey wrote:then backpedaled when everyone was like "what's your problem?"
So, first off, no - I didn't even insinuate that I was going to SR him. I actually said that I'm not sure why I don't like them but I had a bad feeling about them. If you want to compare to anyone else here, you can call it a "vibe" which you've been more than okay with considering your other posts. But let's keep going on.In post 51, Hiraki wrote:Actually, upon a re-read, I don't like 90% of Datisi's posts and I'm not sure if it's worth a SR or if it's just me being a little cranky at 1:30 AM.
The person who I called out rightfully called me out.In post 52, Datisi wrote:You wanna talk about it?
Luca's calling me out here but not in a way that you're insinuating. He's just asking me to backup my position.In post 53, Luca Blight wrote:This is a blitz game. If you don’t like something then fire away.
So ifIn post 54, Hiraki wrote:Perhaps later. Just throwing some bait in the water. I could just not enjoy your posting style either which will make things difficult.
Which - if you're going to bring this up - isIn post 306, GeorgeBailey wrote:and attacked Luca instead.
This is utterly and completely false not to mention baseless. Show me one discussion thread that even acknowledges this and isn't an outright joke.In post 336, bugspray wrote:This kind of "I'll compromise lynch X if you give me Y or Z Tomorrow is something scum really likes to do. Get ML but distance yourself from it. I didn't read the last page to be fair but I'm right now very brain sad and will get around to it I hopeIn post 327, Hiraki wrote:I'll vote bugs as a compromise if you guys swear that HEM or George dies tomorrow. Willing to re-evaluate my Luca read based on the current postings. Not sure who replaces him though.
No one argued against that (i.e. you just posted someone's opinion) and there's no data behind that. Who is karnage?In post 343, bugspray wrote:here you go
in my first scum game i posted that in the pt and karnage said it was generally good advice
Didn't think you needed to justify scum flailing?In post 375, GeorgeBailey wrote:Like, the reason I quoted Bug's post from so long ago is because everyone's questioning why I initially townread them.In post 372, Hiraki wrote:Everything is early post early post early post
I don't think that's the correct interpretation. It's not too scummy to be scum. It's moreso that the actions have potential to be scummy but given all of the evidence at hand, there's a higher chance that this is coming from town than scum.In post 387, Datisi wrote:no, no, i read, and it's shit that sums up as "TSTBS". i don't have a smart response because it's 4:30am and i'm tired, so you get this unfiltered version.
I am also here.In post 483, HoldenGolden wrote:Out of the other two wagons, I refuse to vote Hiraki. HEM is still my preferred lynch, but I will hammer if needed.
I literally talked about this.In post 525, humaneatingmonkey wrote:let's take a note that there's nowhere in this list that lists bugs as scum
Here's a real insult - did you feel better posting this now that the big bad "bully" Hiraki was told off?In post 526, humaneatingmonkey wrote:No, I answered your questions. But I've 100% ignored your insults. Insults aren't arguments, no matter how smart you think it sounds in your head.In post 417, Hiraki wrote:I wrote a response to the above but it's too braindead for me to post. If anyone other than HEM, who doesn't read or answer my posts anyway, wants me to post anything about the above, please let me know. I'm ready to end this day with a dead monkey...or I guess human since that monkey is already dead.