Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[GeorgeBailey]

go spray some bugs

VOTE: BUgspray

[GeorgeBailey]

Please have at least 3 years worth of crusading experience and utter holy proficiency with Microsoft excel.

I've worked at a Starbucks once

[GeorgeBailey]

@GeorgeBailey, assuming you are around, what do you make about Shiki's approach?

To go for meta so early? Seems normal to me, I see plenty of people bring meta up to bring the game out of RVS.

[GeorgeBailey]

i was (not so) patiently waiting for george's response.

yeah sorry, i'm a slow typer.

[GeorgeBailey]

A bland but reasonable answer

Just like our coffee

[GeorgeBailey]

Alright alright sorry i'm catching up now.

One thing to note for shiki, now that I know she's Team Rocket Queen from that one Newbie game makes a lot more sense now.

She seemed to town-tell quite early in that game.

[GeorgeBailey]

bugspray scum game for reference:

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81414

From what I know from Bug's scum meta, is that they tend to put the shitposting gears to overdrive.

[GeorgeBailey]

HOLY SHIT ITS GEORGE

I have awoken from my 16 hour sleep.

[GeorgeBailey]

What's the point of this conversation? Are you going to SR him or something?

This felt weirdly defensive for Datisi, especially after you say something like

Actually, upon a re-read, I don't like 90% of Datisi's posts and I'm not sure if it's worth a SR or if it's just me being a little cranky at 1:30 AM.

[GeorgeBailey]

Also would like your professional opinion if these gears are in normal mode or in overdrive here

They're teetering, but not enough to be in their sum range.

Like, compare Bug's opening this game, to:

Hey who wants to me my romantic partner for this thread? We can do stuff like post *kiss* and other cute stuff in the thread. I'm pan so anyone can qualify

Tbh, they're still my RVS too which is problematic.

After reading through, I think Hiraki is best tbh.

VOTE: Hiraki

[GeorgeBailey]

you replaced in after i had claimed.

Yeah, but if you look in my catch-up posts I said I town read you very early on. You questioned that I could be scum lying, but I turned out to be PR afterwards.

[GeorgeBailey]

Yeah after reading Hiraki's interactions with Luca, a lot of Hiraki's points felt aggressive and out of nowhere, especially when Luca's conversation with Datisi felt like he was trying to shift the game out of RVS.

[GeorgeBailey]

Did you even read what I said after 51? Or did you just skip it and go to that post?

Your backpedaling after being called out? Yes, I read that.

Perhaps later. Just throwing some bait in the water. I could just not enjoy your posting style either which will make things difficult.

You back off and say "I was just baiting, but I might SR you idk"

Perfectly fine with my vote atm. This conversation seems more than forced and really dumb. I don't get how a conversation that has nothing to do with the game will help you figure out something that has to do with the game when you don't even have a good grasp of Datasi's meta after 3 pages. And Datasi has the most posts in this game by far without me checking.

Like, your point for not liking Luca's conversation is that he has no grasp on Datisi's meta and that he shouldn't comment/ask about it? The question was clearly to get Datisi's opinion on his current state, it didn't even come across as opportunistic. It feels like you're defending Datisi when he isn't even being attacked. Which is why being aggressive is relevant to the scumtell.

[GeorgeBailey]

George, what's your read on Shiki and Hem? What do you think of Shiki's case on Hem?

I'm townleaning Shiki, and null reading Hem. I'm nullreading him right now because he does scummy stuff like: his reads list. Holden made a good point that his readslist was mostly wishy washy. But I think his argument against Haruki was town. As for Shiki's case.... What case? Shiki said she's voting Monkey right now because he's not replying to her question. I mean, I like the push.

So let's be clear here - you think I'm starting to put in seeds to SR Datisi then I decide to defend Datisi based off of something you're saying is weird and isn't worth it? Does that make sense or are you just saying that I'm making terrible moves in this game?

Yes on the first part, you were insinuating you were going to SR him, then backpedaled when everyone was like "what's your problem?" and attacked Luca instead. I'm saying you shifted gears after the attention was put onto you.

That hiraki wagon is godawful goegr what are you doing

My destiny

Yall talk shit about bugs wagon being scum motivated but if hiraki is town there is at least one wolf on him

Discuss

What makes you say that?

[GeorgeBailey]

I am leaning scum on bugs. I agree with all of the reasons Datisi has put forth.

Has your read on Bugs changed at all?

[GeorgeBailey]

plus the vote on hiraki with no follow up even when prodded is Bad(tm)

I mean Bug did follow up, their answer was...well.. Not the best i'll admit.

Why Hikari?

his vibes feel weird to me

I was initially townleaning bugs for meta reasons from the time they were scum. I provided a post from that game for comparison earlier too. I think they're null now but I don't feel uncomfortable joining a wagon with them right now.

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: georgebailey going to put my vote on a red circle instead of a black one for obvious reasons

first of all, that's SALMON

[GeorgeBailey]

his vibes feel weird to me

Can you give an example? Also what happened to your Datisi read?

i don't think there was a follow up to this. i'll admit to being wrong if i missed it.

also, wasn't that bugs' first scumgame? saying someone's towny because their play is very (maybe debateable) different to their first scumgame is p bad reasoning. i'd be locktown every single game i play by that criteria.

No, they didn't answer this.

[GeorgeBailey]

I'll vote bugs as a compromise

This is so wolfy lmao

[GeorgeBailey]

I could just be both and we call it a day

[GeorgeBailey]

i think so, yeah
even if it's a style clash chances are it will drive the game forward with some more ai content to end this bout of "apathy"

pedit: no, madoka but it seems like you're definitely trying to convey some meaning and i'm bad at figuring that stuff out

Also, another reason I townread Bugs (and Luca because his idea is sort of the same) is that a lot their early posts were about generating content through conversations.

[GeorgeBailey]

Well used to, answer the Hiraki question.

[GeorgeBailey]

This is Scum flailing, right?

[GeorgeBailey]

Everything is early post early post early post

Like, the reason I quoted Bug's post from so long ago is because everyone's questioning why I initially townread them.

[GeorgeBailey]

not to mention, Datisi is the perfect Hiraki scum partner

Why? Because he defended him?

[GeorgeBailey]

I don't really understand your scumread bugs, what's your main point?

[GeorgeBailey]

f.lux does wonders

[GeorgeBailey]

UNVOTE: Hiraki

Er, Madoka what about your Bug scumread? Also why are you scumreading Luca?

[GeorgeBailey]

George, these were the points by Shiki that I wanted your opinion of:

Most of it sounds very in line with my reasoning.

[GeorgeBailey]

all of you said you'd maybe be willing to vote bugs. would you please be willing to help us out?

Yeah, okay, sorry Bugs. Yours and Madoka's recent voting on Hiraki is really alarming. If you two are the scumteam then GG.

VOTE: Bugspray

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm pretty upset rn for being robbed in George's game.

INTENT

or w/e idrc

That's a shame, did you have fun at least?


Also, I share the same sentiments with Datisi on Bug's reads right now. Their reasons is extremely vague.

[GeorgeBailey]

You were hammered

[GeorgeBailey]

This is an intervention.

[GeorgeBailey]

Datisi, did you ever mention you were in a hood with Bugs earlier?

[GeorgeBailey]

Man why the fuck would I kill Hiraki when he was scumreading me end of day.

[GeorgeBailey]

Townreading****

[GeorgeBailey]

Also I think it's Madoka

[GeorgeBailey]

Then why did you visit him? Claim please

This is a really strange scum gambit if this is what I think it is. Are you saying you're tracker?

[GeorgeBailey]

Now hold on Datisi. And also no I'm not the next lynch. Madoka why do you think I visited Hiraki?

[GeorgeBailey]

Eat my shorts. I want to hear Madoka's case before I full claim.

[GeorgeBailey]

The person who says I visited someone, usually says how they know that too.

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm bodyguard and I targeted Luca Blight last night. I wanted Madoka to clear up her wording so she can't worm out of lying.

[GeorgeBailey]

That's why I was being so difficult.

[GeorgeBailey]

Also it took me a long time to decide between Luca and Datisi for the target. But I think Luca would have been a bigger threat to Scum!Madoka. Did not expect Hiraki.

[GeorgeBailey]

Just kidding?

VOTE: Madoka

This is why I wanted Madokas case first Datisi.

[GeorgeBailey]

i mean, my question from before still stands. under what circumstances is madoka not the last scum here? town who just decided to fake red check someone?

This. I dont see any real reason for town to fake that.

[GeorgeBailey]

2ez4dayteezy

[GeorgeBailey]

What's puzzling is, what was her step two? Like she says I visited Hiraki, I "flip VT", then what?

[GeorgeBailey]

UNVOTE: Madoka

[GeorgeBailey]

If I'm fake claiming then I'm last scum. I dont see the problem.

[GeorgeBailey]

Although yeah I really want Madoka to atleast defend herself.

[GeorgeBailey]

Shiki??

Do you think Me vs Madoka is TvT?

[GeorgeBailey]

Oh, sorry if that seemed harsh it's just the vote felt confusing.

[GeorgeBailey]

I dont have a sense of humor.

[GeorgeBailey]

If it's actually Madoka and bugs forgot them in their diagram I am done.

Holy shit I didnt even think of that. That's amazing.

[GeorgeBailey]

That would make this post 100 times funnier.

Where am I in your drawing, bugs?

[GeorgeBailey]

Looking back, the diagram could have just been a distraction.

[GeorgeBailey]

Also this:

If scum, George.
If town, Hiraki + Luca.

[GeorgeBailey]

What do you mean, George?

It just sounds easier to say something like that from a scum perspective.

[GeorgeBailey]

Huh, well i'm glad I unvoted then.

[GeorgeBailey]

Sucks that i'm dying tonight though

[GeorgeBailey]

I think HeM is a good choice then. The Hikari NK would make more sense.

[GeorgeBailey]

will it be too easy?

For Datisi?

[GeorgeBailey]

you're datisi cause strawberry

[GeorgeBailey]

Holden was also off-wagon yesterday.

[GeorgeBailey]

That's exactly why I have an issue with this set up because we also have innocent Child since the neighbors were one scum one town.

That's one clear in a set up where town gets ridiculously overpowered Day 3 since they have 2 Neap checks, an IC, and A PT Cop check assuming all three lives to day 3 and mafia neighbor dies.

Mafia either has have an additionally way to kill claimed roles which IIRC is called a strongman or some way to dodge the Neap checks (Maybe Godfather but I cannot remember if they show red or green to Neap. I know they are green to cops, so I assume they show up as VT to Neap)

But this is a really decent point, and doesn't really seem like TMI.

[GeorgeBailey]

I think all this talk is pointless depending on his play.

Not necessarily, it's not like it's guaranteed he has the solution to the game.

[GeorgeBailey]

I don't believe so.

[GeorgeBailey]

Who did you cop last night?

[GeorgeBailey]

You never mentioned it when you claimed

[GeorgeBailey]

oh i'm dumb, I just looked up what novice is, RIP.

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm under the impression that he also has a PR claim that wraps everything up. Otherwise, this massclaiming is whack.

I think he's trying to figure out what the maf PR is, so we can work around it? That's the impression I got.

[GeorgeBailey]

HEM's role sounds really in line with the neighborhood role, so I honestly believe him there.

[GeorgeBailey]

Hopefully not.

[GeorgeBailey]

ok one of us has to be lying

[GeorgeBailey]

Would the point of an All-Mafia neighborhood be to mess with Cop PT results? I honestly don't see the point.

[GeorgeBailey]

aye

sure

[GeorgeBailey]

If it is mafia goon, then we auto win assuming George predicts correctly.

How so?

[GeorgeBailey]

I thought i'm guaranteed NK since i'm tpr

[GeorgeBailey]

My gut tells me one of the PR's are lying, but I think time will very quickly show who is who.

although, yeah I have that feeling too.

[GeorgeBailey]

why are we believing Madoka over Monkey though?

[GeorgeBailey]

why are we believing Madoka over Monkey though?

[GeorgeBailey]

something that knew george wasn't vanilla (nea/vanilla cop)

She claimed neap after I claimed BG. Her being scum doesn't hinge on her knowing I wasn't Vanila.

[GeorgeBailey]

HEM -> Madoka -> Luca - game ends. George, even though flawed, would have zero reason to unvote as scum. I also re-read Madoka's ISO. Madoka hasn't given an actual opinion on myself or HEM at this point other than saying that my attack wasn't justified and that HEM's case isn't very valid either. Don't know how I missed this the first time but if there's anyone with fake if not zero reads in this game, it's Madoka.

Might be too late of me figuring that out but hopefully everything will just work out.

Right now I’m TR’ing everyone apart from Bugs, George and Madoka.

I mean, it's not unreasonable to say that Madoka was being Scumread at the start of D2. Claiming Tracker, pushing someone, then rescinding it after it hits a PR sounds like a very plausible scum gambit that went south.

[GeorgeBailey]

It makes no sense for Scum to bus that early.

[GeorgeBailey]

Willing to bet the game on Hiraki being Town.

[GeorgeBailey]

The problem is that you're assuming all the PRs are telling the truth

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm honestly doubting that Holden should be lynched today.

[GeorgeBailey]

But why you over Shiki? You're both VT. People are already acting like you'll flip town. It's concerning.

[GeorgeBailey]

Well, glad it's settled then.

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 1.12

bugspray (5) -

Datisi, Luca Blight, shiki, GeorgeBailey, humaneatingmonkey

Hiraki (2) -

bugspray, Madoka

humaneatingmonkey (2) -

HoldenGolden, Hiraki

Not Voting (0) -

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

And looking back at this, yeah.

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: HoldenGolden

[GeorgeBailey]

Monkey is actually a delicacy here in Canada

[GeorgeBailey]

I call being Trinity

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: HumanEatingMonkey

[GeorgeBailey]

Or that one guy with like 50 watches, that guy was cool as fuck

[GeorgeBailey]

No, the subway train guy.

[GeorgeBailey]

Great modding Micc! Thanks for the game!

Fun playing with you all.

Sorry for the rocky start, I choke when i'm PR.

[GeorgeBailey]

Subject: Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Datisi & bugspray

Fuck I'm already townreading you

Subject: Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Datisi & bugspray

Please don't break my heart and be scum <3

[GeorgeBailey]

Novice Cop was clever though

[GeorgeBailey]

Also, should I have outed I was non-consecutive? That feels like something I should always keep to myself.

[GeorgeBailey]

Can't believe we were so in sync

Game plan:
(1) determine if luca blight is town
(2) if yes, sheep the fucc outta him