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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:30 pm

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Post Post #34 (isolation #1) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:33 pm

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In post 28, shiki wrote:
In post 26, Datisi wrote:Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?
yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.
You and I are going to get along great.
In post 32, HoldenGolden wrote:Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame
This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?
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Post Post #38 (isolation #2) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:52 pm

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In post 36, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 34, Madoka wrote:
In post 28, shiki wrote:
In post 26, Datisi wrote:Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?
yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.
You and I are going to get along great.
In post 32, HoldenGolden wrote:Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame
This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?
You are correct that there is no more recent games from me.

However the question was when he acquainted himself with my games. Aka, I was testing to see if it was actually a legit reason from him which I think so since he gave a more precise and believable time
I see. But why does the timeframe matter if he had a reason for looking at the game either way? If he said he reviewed the game for research in a more recent game, would you find it suspicious?
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Post Post #48 (isolation #3) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:30 pm

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In post 39, HoldenGolden wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 38, Madoka wrote:
In post 36, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 34, Madoka wrote:
In post 28, shiki wrote:
In post 26, Datisi wrote:Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?
yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.
You and I are going to get along great.
In post 32, HoldenGolden wrote:Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame
This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?
You are correct that there is no more recent games from me.

However the question was when he acquainted himself with my games. Aka, I was testing to see if it was actually a legit reason from him which I think so since he gave a more precise and believable time
I see. But why does the timeframe matter if he had a reason for looking at the game either way? If he said he reviewed the game for research in a more recent game, would you find it suspicious?

It has nothing to do with the reason to meta me. Allow me to expand further

*Put on your big brain hats, takes a deep breath*

As you can see at the top of this page there was a span of 2 minutes between me posing the question and his answer. This is important as here are two examples of the answers I am expecting:

"It was back when you were playing"

vs

"I read 1944 for newbie 1952"

If I am gauging if he was being artificial about his view on me, then one of these clearly sounds more scummy then the other. The former is open ended, vague, and easily bullshitable. The other meanwhile is precise and narrow scoped. Factor in the short time frame in the response to the question and with it being more what I expect if he was being truthful, then I am left with a pretty easy conclusion. Yes, this is assuming that 2 mins is not enough time to make the response to it, but that's the philosophical razor for you

Now a question of my own: What do you make of it now given my rational? Ball is back in your court
I like your reasoning, but neither of those answers is a more recent time frame. You stated that you would be alarmed if he had given a more recent time frame. What would that have looked like?
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Post Post #67 (isolation #4) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:57 pm

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What about his style don't you like? Also, are you OK, Hiraki? You always seem upset.
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Post Post #71 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:05 pm

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Bugs and Holden, are you having difficulty seeing any particular color?
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Post Post #80 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:16 pm

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In post 73, bugspray wrote:pedit: no, madoka but it seems like you're definitely trying to convey some meaning and i'm bad at figuring that stuff out
Oh, there's no meaning, I just like to look at them. I'll stick with blue. It never occurred to me that red-green colorblind individuals would have difficulty distinguishing those colors from the background.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #7) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:35 pm

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In post 93, Hiraki wrote:My scumread?
Are you referring to Luca? How long has he been a scum read? You're voting George.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #8) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:45 pm

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Bugs, could you give a real answer on what you were referring to as lamist?
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Post Post #119 (isolation #9) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:52 pm

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In post 112, bugspray wrote:it was a tinfoil hat brainworm post
Were you saying that Luca's was lamist for agreeing that he is town?

What does brainworm mean?
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Post Post #149 (isolation #10) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:29 pm

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In post 144, humaneatingmonkey wrote:in my first language
What language is this?
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Post Post #157 (isolation #11) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:53 pm

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I didn't feel like hem was intimidating you either, Hiraki. I also agree with him that you reacted defensively. I don't agree with him that you are scummy though.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #12) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:54 pm

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Hem, can you quote the posts that gave you the impression that Datisi was trying to appear he was trying?
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Post Post #161 (isolation #13) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:00 pm

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Can you be more precise? I'd like just one or two examples of how his post looks like it is trying too hard. And an actual explanation.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #14) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:07 pm

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How do his early questions differ from mine?
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Post Post #167 (isolation #15) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:11 pm

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What about his questions were bad?
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Post Post #170 (isolation #16) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:15 pm

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Ok, I see we're not going to get any deeper than that.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #17) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:25 pm

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Why would he attack you if his partner was bugspray? You were defending bugspray, so wouldn't it make sense for him to attack Datisi or someone else?
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Post Post #174 (isolation #18) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:26 pm

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Sorry if my questions bother you, but you keep saying things that don't make sense.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #19) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:31 pm

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That's all I wanted addressed, thank you. I asked about your language because I was curious. I think we should focus our attention on bugs, George, and shiki.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:44 pm

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In post 178, humaneatingmonkey wrote:do you have impressions or weak reads?
Yes, is there anyone in particular you would like my opinion of?
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Post Post #227 (isolation #21) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:52 am

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In post 182, Datisi wrote:Madoka, is there any use in not outright saying ypur impressions on the entirety of the playerlist? Or at list on whoever you have a read?
Yes, I don't think it's useful to provide opinions I'm not certain of unless I am asked about them.
In post 183, shiki wrote: is this for activity reasons? if so, it was late for me. if not, why? do you find george's limited activity to be scummy? or one of his posts? or simply the use of the familiarity between him and bugspray? or do you think we should focus our attention on him simply to get more out of him?
Yes, the last line.
In post 194, HoldenGolden wrote:Madoka I too would like to hear your reads and all that are not neutral unless there is a good reason you are on the fence for somebody. Especially for the three people you listed.
I don't have a read on George or Shiki. I am leaning scum on bugs. I agree with all of the reasons Datisi has put forth.
In post 205, Luca Blight wrote:@Datisi: ‘Contradictory’ was in reference to Monkey’s stance on Bugs - he doesn’t like your vote as Bugs hasn’t been scummy yet he approves of the pressure on Bugs.

I didn’t particularly ‘like’ Monkey’s Datisi explanation, but I can see where he’s coming from (I’ve already said I didn’t like your opening much either).

As for my read on Monkey, I was beginning to TR him towards the end of his argument with Hiraki, but I’ll need to ISO before I’m confident on that read.
Is this really a contradiction though? Feeling that Datisi is agenda-driven and being OK with pressuring bugs into posting more are independent of each other. Did Hem address this to your satisfaction?
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Post Post #228 (isolation #22) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:53 am

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Holden, do you have a form of color blindness?
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Post Post #230 (isolation #23) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:07 am

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Interesting. I wont post in blue either then.

Hiraki, what does SI and NB mean?
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Post Post #236 (isolation #24) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:14 am

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In post 232, bugspray wrote:if days lasted 7 days maybe id agree about to stagnation but days are much shorter so wagons stagnate quicker it just makes sense
Your wagon hasn't stagnated though. It takes 5 votes to lynch. And it was only hours into the game.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #25) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:16 am

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In post 231, HoldenGolden wrote:Why did you choose to draw focus then to Shiki as opposed to other players in the game? I understand not having a read on Mr. starbucks, but you did not really clear the shiki part of it with that post.
Bugs responded to this, but I think it was directed at me.

By focus, I just meant I wanted more content from them. It wasn't a complaint about activity (I know we all have different active times) or meant to throw shade. But oftentimes in games, the same few people will have the majority of the posts which isn't useful. In particular, I felt that Hem vs Hiraki was belabored and I didn't think it would be helpful for them to continue going at it. I'd rather hear more from bugs, Shiki, and George. I wanted more from you at the time as well, but you had already shown an indication that you were probably going to be one of the more vocal slots.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #26) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:17 am

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In post 238, bugspray wrote:what the fuck is a stagnant wagon then??
like its been more than 1/3 of the ENTIRE day and my wagon hasn't grown that feels pretty fstagnant to me
If your wagon grew any more then the day would end and we don't want the day to end? This is silly.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #27) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:19 am

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And, Bugs, stagnant wagons usually means that the person is scum because their partner(s) are avoiding being a part of it. I don't' at all see how you come to the opposite conclusion that it means scum are on the wagon.
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Post Post #252 (isolation #28) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:17 am

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There's no jesters in normal games.

Bugs, what do you think of Shiki's case on Hem?
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Post Post #257 (isolation #29) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:29 am

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Post Post #260 (isolation #30) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:31 am

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What do you think of shiki's case on humaneatingmonkey (hem)?
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Post Post #267 (isolation #31) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:51 am

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In post 265, bugspray wrote:my lunch pool is hikari>gb=shiki
Why Hikari?
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Post Post #269 (isolation #32) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:20 pm

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In post 268, bugspray wrote:his vibes feel weird to me
Can you give an example? Also what happened to your Datisi read?
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Post Post #277 (isolation #33) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:29 pm

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Bugs can you link me one of your scum games?

In the town games I've looked through, you seem to have more of a scum hunting attitude.
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Post Post #287 (isolation #34) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:10 pm

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In post 285, Datisi wrote:I need like 4 of those tbh insomnia's been killing me the past week
That's why you have to lynch him before he gets the chance.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #35) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:11 pm

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In post 269, Madoka wrote:
In post 268, bugspray wrote:his vibes feel weird to me
Can you give an example? Also what happened to your Datisi read?
Bugs can you answer this? Also, your new playstyle isn't working. It would be helpful if you scum hunted, especially since this is a Blitz game.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #36) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:56 pm

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George, what's your read on Shiki and Hem? What do you think of Shiki's case on Hem?
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Post Post #330 (isolation #37) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:26 am

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Luca, I think you missed a question from me.
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Post Post #359 (isolation #38) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:32 pm

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In post 358, humaneatingmonkey wrote:The Good Place
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Post Post #386 (isolation #39) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:38 pm

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Where am I in your drawing, bugs?
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Post Post #395 (isolation #40) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:48 pm

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In post 391, bugspray wrote:oh my god i forgot madoka
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Post Post #402 (isolation #41) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:38 pm

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Hem, did you cry? I cried. So good.
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Post Post #430 (isolation #42) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:19 pm

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I really like Shiki as a player. Wow.
In post 307, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 227, Madoka wrote:I am leaning scum on bugs. I agree with all of the reasons Datisi has put forth.
Has your read on Bugs changed at all?
No, is there a reason it should?
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Post Post #432 (isolation #43) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:24 pm

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Ok yea, I'm in love with Shiki.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #44) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:28 pm

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In post 327, Hiraki wrote:I'll vote bugs as a compromise if you guys swear that HEM or George dies tomorrow. Willing to re-evaluate my Luca read based on the current postings. Not sure who replaces him though.
If you scum read HEM and George why would you need a replacement for Luca?
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Post Post #437 (isolation #45) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:38 pm

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In post 352, bugspray wrote:that sounds like begging the question with extra steps

like if im assuming p and then find a q and say p->q therefore q->p i THInk??

am i understanding this shit right
No p > q doesn't necessarily lead to p > q. Example:

If I'm in the bath, then I am wet. Does not mean that if I am wet, I am in the bath. There are other reasons I could be wet.
Similarly, as Datisi was saying. If you're scum, you like to do compromise lynches. Does not mean if you like to do compromise lynches you are scum. There are other reasons you could like to do compromise lynches.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #46) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:38 pm

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EBWOP: p > q doesn't necessarily lead to q > p
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Post Post #442 (isolation #47) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:45 pm

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::::::::::::thinking:::::::::::::
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Post Post #445 (isolation #48) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:52 pm

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Were you able to get some sleep today, Datisi?
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Post Post #449 (isolation #49) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:56 pm

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In post 446, Datisi wrote:Some three hours.
Do you use blue light filters on your devices? I found that to be the reason for my insomnia previously.

I will have my vote soon.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #50) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:12 pm

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George, these were the points by Shiki that I wanted your opinion of:
In post 183, shiki wrote:
In post 114, humaneatingmonkey wrote:honestly, my vibe is you're a bit defensive. which is what you're doing now. i'm not hot and bothered about it because it's non-AI in itself. but it's nice to see you react to it because that part's almost AI.
i am very wary of this approach to hiraki. hiraki is repeatedly lynched as town, but not usually on day one. scumreading him but not pushing or voting him until he goaded you into it feels like setting up later actions.

some of hiraki's play here seems out of character (no ego post, not waiting for the game to develop to post much [which is likely explained by this being a blitz game]), but his reactions to monkey's actions seem consistent with past behaviour as town in similar situations. his general unpleasantness is not alignment indicative, as can be determined by even the most cursory of meta overviews.
In post 193, shiki wrote:
In post 192, HoldenGolden wrote:Thoughts by anyone on what I raised so far?
i take something similar out of these interactions. i do not think monkey wanted to push hiraki, but hiraki kinda forced his hand. it felt to me like he wanted to push datisi, while saving hiraki scumread for later. sowing the seeds, if you will.
In post 199, shiki wrote:
In post 195, Hiraki wrote:What does this mean?
it means that it felt like monkey wanted to scumread you but make no real effort to push you right then, but you engaged him on his scumread to the point where he could no longer ignore it.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #51) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:42 pm

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VOTE: Hiraki

I think this is the best chance of hitting scum.

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Post Post #455 (isolation #52) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:07 pm

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I think the team is Hiraki and Luca.
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Post Post #482 (isolation #53) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:40 am

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Working at the moment :]
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Post Post #492 (isolation #54) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:39 am

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I'm pretty upset rn for being robbed in George's game.
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or w/e idrc
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Post Post #512 (isolation #55) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:08 am

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Back
In post 456, GeorgeBailey wrote:UNVOTE: Hiraki

Er, Madoka what about your Bug scumread? Also why are you scumreading Luca?
Process of Elimination. I think Luca is the only one that can be partners with either Hiraki or Bugs (and yes I'm aware that Luca has been on bugs, but I think if bugs is scum they are probably being bu
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seed). If I have time and no one hammers, I can go through why I only think Luca can be their partner.
In post 460, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 453, Madoka wrote:George, these were the points by Shiki that I wanted your opinion of:
Most of it sounds very in line with my reasoning.
You're scum reading Hem then?
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Post Post #513 (isolation #56) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:14 am

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In post 469, shiki wrote:why would hiraki, as scum with no pressure on him, push someone who vaguely scumreads him but is not acting on that scumread at all into pushing on him and voting? this does not make sense to me.
Have you only read Hiraki town games? I think this is Hiraki's scum play. He did the same with someone who's name started with an F in the scum game I read. I'll look back if I have time.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #57) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:17 am

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In post 469, shiki wrote:possible scum trying to look good in case of town flip to me
I agree with this.
In post 474, Luca Blight wrote:know they are much better than this makes it seem as though they’re ‘playing dumb’, for want of a better phrase
And this.
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Post Post #520 (isolation #58) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am

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In post 480, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 475, Datisi wrote:all of you said you'd maybe be willing to vote bugs. would you please be willing to help us out?
If you two are the scumteam then GG.
This is very suspicious.
In post 494, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 492, Madoka wrote:I'm pretty upset rn for being robbed in George's game.
INTENT
or w/e idrc
That's a shame, did you have fun at least?
I'm mostly glad I have all these new totally real recipes to try out :D

Shiki, your empathy made me feel a lot better.

George, I'll get started now, but it's a lot and I have a meeting soon so may not finish.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #59) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am

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That last line was @Hem, not George. I had Curious George in my head.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #60) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:37 am

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n_n
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Post Post #565 (isolation #61) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:36 pm

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I have no idea what these words mean.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #62) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:41 pm

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If scum, George.
If town, Hiraki + Luca.
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Post Post #586 (isolation #63) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:25 pm

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Lay off the booze bugs
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Post Post #594 (isolation #64) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:44 pm

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Weird kill.

VOTE: George
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Post Post #597 (isolation #65) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:47 pm

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Why me, Shiki?
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Post Post #601 (isolation #66) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:49 pm

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Ok I'm in the middle of a paper and just taking a break, but I'll do that tonight.
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Post Post #602 (isolation #67) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:50 pm

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George killed Hiraki btw and he should claim.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #68) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:02 pm

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Datisi, yes but it would be pretty silly for scum!me to just come out of nowhere and push Hiraki with no progression. Upon his town flip it would just condemn me/bugs as the team. Additionally, Bugs not trying to save themselves indicates that scum were in a bus state, not a salvage state.

My Hiraki/Luca theory came from PoE when going through bug's interactions. I was with you in bugs scum, but based on their interactions I didn't think they could be scum with anyone but Luca. But I made an error in discounting George. (I didn't think they would be as obvious as they were being). The interactions between the other players only left bugs/Luca and Hiraki/Luca and I went with the latter because of how Hiraki engaged Luca at the beginning, seemed partner-like. Again, I'll go through my process later tonight.
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Post Post #612 (isolation #69) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:02 pm

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In post 605, GeorgeBailey wrote:Man why the fuck would I kill Hiraki when he was scumreading me end of day.
Then why did you visit him? Claim please.
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Post Post #615 (isolation #70) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:06 pm

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In post 607, shiki wrote:
In post 597, Madoka wrote:Why me, Shiki?
i do not think the night kill was weird. hikari was basically confirmed and not the most likely target for protection. additionally, not voting before following bugspray onto hikari putting him at l-1 and bugspray leaving you out of their drawing both seem notable.

in retrospect, i think hikari was right about george's unvote not being scummy based on bugspray flip.

other than madoka, i think holden looks the worst from the votes, since bugspray was at l-2 when he organized me and hikari to vote on monkey.
No Datisi was the obvious kill choice. George probably killed Hiraki to make me look bad (for the town flip).
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Post Post #626 (isolation #71) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:14 pm

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Are you saying you didn't?
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Post Post #630 (isolation #72) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:15 pm

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Just kidding.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #632 (isolation #73) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:16 pm

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Be back after paper.
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Post Post #653 (isolation #74) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:40 pm

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Do not yolo. THAT is scum play and the reason we lost in the game Shiki is referring to.
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Post Post #654 (isolation #75) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:41 pm

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Thank you for waiting Datisi <3
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Post Post #694 (isolation #76) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:32 pm

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What do you mean, George?
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Post Post #695 (isolation #77) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:32 pm

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I'm done now, I'll get started.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #78) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:22 pm

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Hm? How so?
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Post Post #701 (isolation #79) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:36 pm

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Yes, I was working on the other post I promised you but I'll do that now. I'm neap. I investigated George because of his play surrounding bugs. Seeing as me and George were top suspects for today, I didn't see the point of wasting time withholding. I went about it the way I did because I wanted to force George to claim. I saw three possible scenarios:

1. He claims vanilla = confirmed scum
2. He claims something that targeted Hiraki = likely scum
3. He claims a PR that didn't target Hiraki = very likely town

I didn't claim Neap because I didn't want him to simply claim to have a PR. I wanted the potential to catch him in a vanilla claim.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #80) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:37 pm

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I don't think he's scum at all for that claim.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #81) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:38 pm

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This is from my notepad:

Datisi - not scum with bugs or Hiraki | scum with hem
humaneatingmonkey - not scum with Hiraki | scum with Datisi
HoldenGolden - not scum with George
shiki - not scum with Hiraki or Bugs or George


GeorgeBailey - not scum with Hiraki or Bugs or Shiki or Holden
bugspray - not scum with Hiraki or George or Shiki or Datisi
Luca Blight
Hiraki - not scum with bugs or George


It doesn't have the relevant posts yet because at the time I was just working through the possible teams for myself. I believe I started out with an initial list of something like: Datisi > Luca > Hiraki | Hem > Holden > Shiki | George > bugs from towniest to scummiest. Then as I worked through interactions with bugs, they moved up as there were so many people that I didn't think could be their mate. Then I went through George and found the same thing. I did this going up the list, rearranging it as based on what I was getting from interactions. When I got to Hiraki, I went on a meta dive and came across a scum game where he played similarly and thinking about the points George brought up against him, I reconsidered my view and thought he was just bad scum. Luca was the only one I had yet to exclude as being partners with anyone. And I felt like this whole thing with Hiraki was partner-like from bad scum who often have unnatural aggression toward their partners. I also don't think Luca's position on Bugs excludes him from being their partner at all. It's different with Datisi because he was actively pushing for Bugs throughout the day. Luca kind of just sat on it. Also this series of posts made me feel bugs and Luca also had partner potential:

Spoiler:
In post 79, bugspray wrote:
In post 74, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 63, Hiraki wrote:
In post 62, Datisi wrote:remeber the game before where we were TvT and screamed at each other for 100 pages before you quickhammered me? good times.
Yeah, I think I just don't like your style, which is fine.

Perfectly fine with my vote atm. This conversation seems more than forced and really dumb. I don't get how a conversation that has nothing to do with the game will help you figure out something that has to do with the game when you don't even have a good grasp of Datasi's meta after 3 pages. And Datasi has the most posts in this game by far without me checking.
Content leads to more content. Simple as that, really.

Not sure what Datisi’s post count has to do with anything.
In post 77, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 75, Hiraki wrote:Because you're trying to metaread someone that you clearly cannot metaread very well and you were tetering on trying to call them scum based off of that. You can say that "oooohhh noooooo I was just trying to figure it out!" but talking to someone about their meta is about the
worst
way to figure someone out using their meta. This is something that was clearly shown through your conversation.
How do you know I can’t metaread them well?

And my post was as much about announcing my suspicions as the conversation.

Again, I’m not sure what you’re expecting a few pages in, but you’re not exactly offering a lot yourself.
ye i agree luca's town
In post 86, bugspray wrote:lamist
In post 89, humaneatingmonkey wrote:but bugspray, you agree that you townread him, so whats up
In post 96, bugspray wrote:
In post 68, bugspray wrote:luca stands out as townish to me; his tone feels different to that newbie game where i was masons with clidd and he was scum
its just a brainworm meta read

wrt
i just really like saying lamist because i pronounce it funny in my brain every time i type it
lamist lamist lamist lamist
In post 98, Datisi wrote:was there *any point* to you saying "lamist" there?
In post 100, bugspray wrote:yeah i like saying lamist
In post 102, bugspray wrote:
In post 98, Datisi wrote:was there *any point* to you saying "lamist" there?
In post 100, bugspray wrote:yeah i like saying lamist
speaking of georgebailey it would be cool to see him post more tbh
In post 111, Madoka wrote:Bugs, could you give a real answer on what you were referring to as lamist?
In post 112, bugspray wrote:it was a tinfoil hat brainworm post
In post 113, bugspray wrote:lamist
In post 115, Datisi wrote:
In post 109, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 107, Datisi wrote:hot take: bugs is not town
i like early reads from people because it's good information.

why is bugs not town?
Hm, i was kinda hoping bugs would be the first to react. anyway. more than half their ISO feels like pure fluff and filler. asks a question that has already been asked multiple times and half answered. have no game content. half of and is justification for no content post. it all feels off.

pedit: and continuation of justifying the no content post.
In post 117, bugspray wrote:people keep asking about the lamist post so im gonna keep answering
In post 119, Madoka wrote:
In post 112, bugspray wrote:it was a tinfoil hat brainworm post
Were you saying that Luca's was lamist for agreeing that he is town?

What does brainworm mean?
In post 127, bugspray wrote:
In post 119, Madoka wrote:
In post 112, bugspray wrote:it was a tinfoil hat brainworm post
Were you saying that Luca's was lamist for agreeing that he is town?

What does brainworm mean?
it was an impulse post i but that's a good explanation for the mindset i prolly had at the time

brainworms are worms that eat your brain and make you stupid


pedit: 3rd party setup spec is kinda weird. im ps ure there cant be 3rd party in micro normals


I felt (and still feel) like bugs dancing around their lamist call out was scum who TMI scum read their partners posts that wasn't actually scummy. Scum are more likely to notice suspicious things bout their partner and to scum read things that aren't scummy to other people because they are biased by the knowledge they have that their partner is scum. I think bugs impulse reacted to their partner's post (despite the fact that they just called them town) and then backtracked on it making it some joke about just liking to say lamist after they were called out.

I also think their reaction here is partner indicative:
In post 455, Madoka wrote:I think the team is Hiraki and Luca.
In post 456, GeorgeBailey wrote:UNVOTE: Hiraki

Er, Madoka what about your Bug scumread? Also why are you scumreading Luca?
In post 458, bugspray wrote:yeah id like to hear about the luca sr as well considering i and others locktowned him early on
although i locktowned him in my newbie game where i was masons with clidd and then he fucking owned that game as scum so this whole situation is making me feel like datisi in lylo
Anyway, again I need to go through and link the reasons for why I excluded such and such from being partners. I just wanted to give you an idea of my process and the timeline. Doing that now. (btw I noticed that I didn't exclude Holden from being bugs partner either, so I was incorrect before here. I think I meant to go back to Holden but was convinced on Luca + Hiraki and I just stopped there before posting and going to bed)

Sorry for any typos, I don't feel like proofreading.
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Post Post #711 (isolation #82) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:57 pm

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At one point early on I was also considering bus + Shiki which is why I asked them his:
In post 260, Madoka wrote:What do you think of shiki's case on humaneatingmonkey (hem)?
In post 264, bugspray wrote:okay just basically reading skiki iso casing as if im tunneling scum!shiki
In post 28, shiki wrote:
In post 26, Datisi wrote:Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?
yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.
would scum wnt to research scumslips other slots have made in the past to try and mislynch them on it?
tbh seems like a smart plan i should try that

183 is a lot of shit uhhh.....
basicalyl trying to discredit hem with the fallacy fallacy (this is a real fallacy im not being a dumbass i swear)

seems upset that monkey is poking hikari with a stick, seemingly to get an angery scumslitp

the thing about acitivyt feels reachy


shiki hikari scumteam maybe?
In post 265, bugspray wrote:my lunch pool is hikari>gb=shiki
In post 267, Madoka wrote:
In post 265, bugspray wrote:my lunch pool is hikari>gb=shiki
Why Hikari?
In post 268, bugspray wrote:his vibes feel weird to me
In post 269, Madoka wrote:
In post 268, bugspray wrote:his vibes feel weird to me
Can you give an example? Also what happened to your Datisi read?
I wanted to see how they would treat Shiki and thought it was interesting that after coming up with a scum read on her, they then came up with Hiraki > gb=shiki. I felt like this was a way to push a town player over their partner while treating them as partners. I wanted to get their reasoning on Hikari because Hikari and Shiki were both pushing Hem for similar reasons so it seemed off that they put Hiraki
over
Shiki.

I've forgotten why I felt they couldn't be partners afterward, but I'll see if it still holds up as I'm going through my list from before.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #83) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:00 pm

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EBWOP: At one point early on I was also considering bugs + Shiki which is why I asked them this
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Post Post #713 (isolation #84) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:02 pm

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In post 710, Luca Blight wrote:How about we no-lynch. George protects Datisi, Madoka investigates me.
I don't think this would be helpful. If you're scum, you're goon here. This would just lead to George being killed who I feel is pretty much confirmed town.
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Post Post #715 (isolation #85) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:07 pm

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Can I say it as it's written?
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Post Post #717 (isolation #86) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:10 pm

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Oh wait nevermind I see. I thought it just told me if they were vanilla but it tells me if they are a vanilla townie or not.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #87) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:11 pm

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Interesting, that's better than I thought!
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Post Post #721 (isolation #88) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:12 pm

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Well we shouldn't waste it on you then!
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Post Post #728 (isolation #89) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:41 pm

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The reasons for my partner exclusions

Datisi

=/ bugs (obvious reasons)
=/ Hiraki
= scum with hem (hem's treatment of Datisi as if they were already scum)

humaneatingmonkey

=/ Hiraki (their back and forth)
= scum with Datisi (see above)
~Looks like I didn't have bugs here either

HoldenGolden

=/ George

Shiki

=/ Hiraki TMI read on Hiraki
=/ Bugs (regarding George's 291, I had the same thoughts) and followup in .
=/ George (the bottom response to me)

GeorgeBailey

=/ Hiraki (push on Hiraki)
=/ Bugs (felt like they were too connected to be scum at the time)
=/ Shiki (see above)
=/ Holden (see above)

bugspray

=/ Hiraki (Hiraki's town read)
=/ George (see above)
=/ Shiki (see above)
=/ Datisi (see above)

Hiraki

=/ bugs (see above)
=/ George (see above)

Luca Blight

I think Holden or Monkey is the way to go. I had gotten so caught up on a Luca team that I overlooked the fact they were both candidates.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #90) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:44 pm

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I'll catch you one of these days Luca, no matter how many games it takes of me scum reading you!
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Post Post #731 (isolation #91) » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:01 pm

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Post Post #754 (isolation #92) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:52 am

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Datisi no worries.
Shiki what is your avatar and gif at the start of the day from? Also is rocket your main or do you have another?
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Post Post #756 (isolation #93) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:56 am

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I don't believe so, I'm fairly new to the site. And you do know me now!
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Post Post #763 (isolation #94) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:38 am

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More PRs = weaker neap.

Godfather isn't normal.
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Post Post #764 (isolation #95) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:46 am

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The last game I played with neighbors, traffic analysts, and neapolitan however, the traffic analyst and one of the neighbors was scum.
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Post Post #765 (isolation #96) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:50 am

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Lynch monkey, check Holden, Guard me?
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Post Post #768 (isolation #97) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:54 am

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Ah.

Holden, I'm not sure. I think your play is most suspicious. It feels like cornered scum looking for a way out.
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Post Post #816 (isolation #98) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:57 am

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In post 814, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Datisi is only 100% town because he choo-choo'd the bugs wagon, but if we're thinking bugs could be early-bussed, Datisi's back on the table. Moreso, because he asked for a massclaim and said he wanted to claim last. That's a roleblocker move if i ever saw one.
Nope.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #99) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:02 am

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I'm down for whatever you say, Datisi.
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Post Post #831 (isolation #100) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:10 am

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In post 619, shiki wrote:
In post 615, Madoka wrote:No Datisi was the obvious kill choice. George probably killed Hiraki to make me look bad (for the town flip).
datisi was also the more obvious choice for protection and both were confirmed. my smiling gif had a 'my bad i am sorry and i am happy for this development' built into it.
I think Shiki's reactions here are mega townie.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #101) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:11 am

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Like I don't think she knew I was faking. Her reaction was really genuine. As well as her questioning of George afterward.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #102) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:08 am

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In post 901, Datisi wrote:ok question for the people of this good Town:

is there anyone in this town who would *not* be willing to bet the game on Luca being Town?

speak now or forever hold your peace
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Post Post #907 (isolation #103) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:09 am

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Very well.
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Post Post #909 (isolation #104) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:19 am

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In post 908, shiki wrote:that seems to be a yes from everyone aside from madoka
In post 907, Madoka wrote:Very well.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #105) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:21 am

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In post 758, shiki wrote:team rocket queen was the first account i created but i quickly realized that i should have spent more time in character creation instead of running with the first portmanteau i thought of. when people abbreviated it to trq i pronounced it 'trek' in my head and i did not like this.
Are these your only two accounts? You remind me of someone is why I'm asking.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #106) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:37 am

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In post 913, shiki wrote:
In post 912, Madoka wrote:Are these your only two accounts? You remind me of someone is why I'm asking.
yes, these are my only two accounts. though i'm quite curious as to who it is i remind you of!
osieorb. It looks like they actually don't have any games on here though. Maybe on another account.
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Post Post #923 (isolation #107) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:04 pm

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That's not a dog, it's a tiny horse.
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Post Post #931 (isolation #108) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:10 pm

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Should we wait for Luca?
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Post Post #935 (isolation #109) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:12 pm

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In post 932, Datisi wrote:yes. we should. we don't have a finalized plan. and i'm still thinking about yoloing a monkey lynch through. i'll see.
Same I was just about to suggest it.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #110) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:14 pm

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I want to kill the monkey investigate holden kill shiki
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Post Post #939 (isolation #111) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:16 pm

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ah I see
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Post Post #945 (isolation #112) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:35 pm

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I don't get what you think scumMadoka's plan was.
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Post Post #959 (isolation #113) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:14 pm

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Waiting on Luca.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #114) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:54 pm

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ITT: A human eating monkey and a horse dog sheriff ponder the absurdity of their existence
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #115) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:42 am

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We're not checking Luca.

VOTE: Hem

letsa do eet
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #116) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:50 am

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Enough, Holden.

Luca, let's do it.
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #117) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:00 am

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I've made the mistake of letting scum live before, I'm not doing it again.
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #118) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:20 am

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If you have (unconfirmed) scum, you lynch them. That's the rule I'm playing by from now on. We can end this here, there's no need to play it safe and unnecessarily extend the game. Let's blitz this blitz game.
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #119) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:47 am

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In post 1094, Datisi wrote:i want it real bad my dude
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #120) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:00 am

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Post Post #1114 (isolation #121) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:02 am

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Post Post #1117 (isolation #122) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:05 am

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Luca/Madoka - agent smith
Datisi - morpheus
Holden - neo
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #123) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:15 pm

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In post 1119, HoldenGolden wrote:
Spoiler: Somebody make a move
Cool song it's good that they are practicing safe covid hygiene.

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