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VOTE: Prana

Devil be gone!

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V/LA until Monday

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Just skimming through, about half way.

Tanner is my biggest (non conf) TR atm.

TL on Farside. Prana and Una fall below the null line.

Mavs' claim seems more believable than Drew's.

I'll finish my catch-up and post my thoughts, probably in about 12 hours or so.

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As of now, my read for scumteam is una, george and drew. I'm sus of drew for obv reasons. I'm sus of george because of his spectacularly shitty defense for drew. Una is sus for defending george by pushing tanner. I think either Una or Drew were the bus target because of the quotes in 166.
Does anyone have the vote count on drew?

This aligns quite well with my thoughts at this stage of the game.

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I might add, while I know George is right about me, his current behaviour is somewhat-buddying to me also.

Drew persistently pleads with people to consider there might be two millers, but then immediately throws shade at the only two who do consider this (George and Una), which seems strange to me.

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I’ve skimmed over everything very briefly, but I think I have a general grasp of the game and of what my reads are. I’ll do some Iso’ing once I’m on a computer.

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As of now, my read for scumteam is una, george and drew. I'm sus of drew for obv reasons. I'm sus of george because of his spectacularly shitty defense for drew. Una is sus for defending george by pushing tanner. I think either Una or Drew were the bus target because of the quotes in 166.
Does anyone have the vote count on drew?

This aligns quite well with my thoughts at this stage of the game.

Luca, I would be interested in hearing what you think of George, and my take on his "spectacularly shitty defense".

I can see your PoV, but I don't agree.

I think a strong defence in such a situation could be indicative of not being partners, but a lukewarm defence like George's, almost testing the waters, is something I could see coming from scum, especially scum who aren't confident of carrying home the victory after their mate is lynched D1.

George is a new-ish player I believe, so it wouldn't surprise me if this reaction turned out to be S/S.

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To elaborate further - because a defence like George's opens up the possibility of a defence without being committed to it.

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I'd be interested in a thing I've never seen or done before.
Feel free to call me a dummy dumb-dumb if it suits you, but

what if we all agree that Wake doesn't vote for anyone today?

Hear me out - we obviously want his input and reads throughout the day as much as possible, simply because he is the only conf.town in the game so far.
But we won't be able to lynch scum 100% of the time D1 anyway, even if we had three conf.townies.
So my point is, that

whoever we end up lynching D1, and whatever their flip might end up being, the wagon will only consist of unconfirmed players.

Does that make sense for anyone?

No wait, does that make any sense?
Do we actually ABSOLUTELY want Wake to be in the final lynch-wagon?
If we lynch scum, it would be better to achieve the lynch without his vote, right?
Because we'd likely have more resistance from scum, and we would KNOW one townie would've been off the wagon?

But how does it work if we mislynch today, is it then actually worse?

This kind of thing pings me because, while it looks helpful and everything, it happened when the game had already moved out of RVS, and it disrupts AI interactions in favour of game theory.

It's a safe and easy way of making Una look like a kind of town leader, without having to actually get his hands dirty.

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OK, I do not see a world where we have two millers.
I did get some nasty flashbacks from a game where I was a Town-Universal Backup though, and I fought the "claimed Miller"-lynch until the end..
I believe that same game had a Doc and other useful stuff as well, and I got slapped with a Miller-tag starting from N2.

Anyhoo, I guess we are ready for the lynch now?
Don't think much of anything useful will come from the scumteam anymore, now that one of them is already caught red-handed?

He pops back in later with this.

It just feels like scum trying to limit the info in the day. I can't see a town-mindset behind it.

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VOTE: Tanner <---- this right is far more likely to yield a scumflip.

He then votes Tanner, which makes no sense to me, despite saying he can't see a world where there's two millers.

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Definitely not a townleader here..
This just felt like a perfect opportunity to test something like this out, and I'm always interested in finding out what works mechanically and what doesn't.

I find it interesting that Luca feels like scumcasing me here..?

I'm giving my thoughts and reads after catching-up?

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Drew is 50/50 because of the claim, but I think Tanner is scum unrelated to Drew. (just pointing this out right away before someone jumps on me for not voting Drew. )

Do you mean that Drew/Mavs have an equal chance of being scum? Or are you factoring in the 2 Miller possibility?

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OK, I do not see a world where we have two millers.
I did get some nasty flashbacks from a game where I was a Town-Universal Backup though, and I fought the "claimed Miller"-lynch until the end..
I believe that same game had a Doc and other useful stuff as well, and I got slapped with a Miller-tag starting from N2.

Anyhoo, I guess we are ready for the lynch now?
Don't think much of anything useful will come from the scumteam anymore, now that one of them is already caught red-handed?

He pops back in later with this.

It just feels like scum trying to limit the info in the day. I can't see a town-mindset behind it.

Luca, you've fully caught up, right? I've given my thoughts on this post. Have you read them?

I've skimmed everything, I'll have to remind myself of what you said about it.

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Yes I noticed that, but it seems to me it could equally be a scum reaction test as a townie one.

Scum can easily say 'let's end the day now', and if others buy it then great - his objective is complete and it succeeds in making others look scummy in the process. If no-one buys it then he can play it off as such.

I'm struggling to see what town gains from that tbh. Maybe if Una could talk more about what kind of reactions he was expecting and what the lack of reaction actually means in this context, then it'd be helpful?

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Will catch up in a few hours.

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@Luca: your 406, 406, 410, and 415 ALL throw shade on UnaBombaH but you don’t vote him. Why not? Your only vote came via RVS and that’s where you left it. I understand you were catching up but aside from UnaBombaH (who you don’t decide to vote) you really don’t offer much. This strikes me as scum trying to fence sit.

Your 366 post is strange too. You agree with a post that has been heavily criticized for being lazy and has lead players to vote Saladman27.

Outside of 367 you don’t even bother with acknowledging Drew. This seems scum allowing Drew to be lynched without being part of the lynch.

Vote: Luca Blight

1) one of the Miller claims needed lynching D1 regardless, hence why I didn’t vote anyone else. I was planning to Iso more players in the same manner but ran out of time/motivation to do so.

2) what’s strange about that? Just because others disliked that post doesn’t mean I should necessarily agree.

3) I was under the assumption that Drew was scum following the cc. I didn’t feel the need to Iso him deeply when his lynch was inevitable.

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I’ll catch up in a few hours and get back to you.

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Feeling burnt out and demotivated atm, apologies.