Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Ircher]

I am totally not reading 100+ pages. Someone give me a summary/cliff notes.

[Ircher]

I can confirm that Gamma gave his key to Albert B. Rampage on night 2. I'm not sure I fully understand how the role works.

[Ircher]

Is it possible for scum to be involved in the games? Or do the games basically clear all the participants?

[Ircher]

What I do think though, is that a scum keymaker would be a pretty cool twist

It does sound cool for sure.

I don't like how BattleMage decided that sacrificing an IC was better than dying themselves.

[Ircher]

Scum gets to rig 5 traps tonight, rather than 3, as a result of me surviving

So there's going to be 8 traps in the next two nights

We're currently 10 vs. 4, scum wins if they can kill 6 town. The traps are kinda unreliable but so far have roughly a 2/3 chance to kill? Maybe 1/2 i havent reviewed the exact survival rate

Was you surviving really worth two more kills tonight? That's literally an entire mislynch we lose out on.
VOTE: Battle Mage
Let's go with this for now. Not like I have anything better. Tweet is probably town but rather selfish town based on how their trap worked.

[Ircher]

How do we know Jigsaw gives an inno to cop reports? I looked at the setup rules and not much is said about Jigsaw. How do we even know Jigsaw is in this game?

[Ircher]

Could be a red herring tbh. I mean, wouldn't Jigsaw be some 3rd party alignment?

[Ircher]

Unvote, Vote: ABR

That's all I've got in me at the moment. Probably not back on until Tuesday.

Seriously? You aren't even going to bother answering our questions (about the trap you participated in)?

VaultDweller <- Town unless Vecna is scum. If scum with Vecna, unlikely Jigsaw (who the fuck fake innos a Godfather?)
Ircher <- Town or Jigsaw unless I am scum. Gave ABR a BP Vest.
Albert B. Rampage <- Neighbor with flipped scum, small hood.
Battle Mage <- Neighbor with flipped scum, small hood.
BBmolla <- Semi Proven 1 shot Reporter, if more than one shot can be full proven. Slight town equity to claim not being used as a scum power. Not sure if it would occur to BB to use it as a scum power.
pisskop <- Claimed no hood.
Vecna <- Informed VD is town. Flavor supports claim, vaguely towny? Spec seems to want to widen lynchpool, keep an eye on this.
GuiltyLion <- Broke a trap. One Shot? (Don't clarify GL)
Eddie Cane <- In a hood with two cops (one of which can only target in hood), feels town.
davesaz <- As above, other people said null.
Drixx <- As above, other people said scummy. Trap interaction role, but only with multiperson traps.
Firebringer <- No mechanicals?
Morning Tweet <- EC says town, I feel pings. No real mechanicals?

This is useful. This makes BM and ABR less likely scum. How many was it in the hood? 3? 4?
VOTE: davesaz
Let's sheep the cop role even though they don't have a guilty.

[Ircher]

GUYS FIRE IS OBVTOWN!

[Ircher]

VOTE: Eddie Cain

[Ircher]

Stop voting Dave. Bingle or Firebringer are far better lynches.

No they aren't.
VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Ircher]

MT would be a good lynch. They're likely town though.

[Ircher]

ABR, davesaz, Battle Mage, and GuiltyLion perhaps is the scum team.

[Ircher]

im frustrated that ircher doesn't seem to be trying but am holding back because i feel like Bingle/idany's clear *should* make him town.

Do you think ircher's apathy is AI for him? I'm willing to entertain ircher being jigsaw yes, but i wouldn't lynch him over the other choices

i don't like his townread on me either.

That was a joke hence the caps. I actually have no read on you.

Vecna, Bingle can be town.

[Ircher]

Pagetop
VOTE: Battle Mage

[Ircher]

Maybe it's {Battle Mage XOR ABR}, Guilty Lion, davesaz, and Drixx.
VOTE: Drixx

[Ircher]

Why Bingle? Seems town to me.

[Ircher]

Votecount 3.5

davesaz (5) - Bingle, GuiltyLion, Eddie Cane, Morning Tweet, Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage (2) - pisskop, VaultDweller
GuiltyLion (2) - Ircher, Battle Mage
Bingle (1) - Firebringer
Firebringer (1) - Vecna
Morning Tweet (1) - BBmolla

Not voting (2) - davesaz, Drixx

(expired on 2020-05-16 19:49:00) remain until day end

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a majority.

"Face your fears."

Interesting that the davesaz wagon collapsed...

[Ircher]

I also have this weird train of thought where like

let's say we let both/either of them live

if Bingle then claims a guilty on someone tomorrow, like Drixx or EC or whoever, I'm not gonna be sold on that. As long as Bingle's alignment is unknown, I don't inherently trust his results regardless, which makes the claim kinda useless. A Bingle townflip would go further towards making me wanna Lynch Drixx than a claimed guilty would

whereas if Dave claims a Godfather hit, I'm much more inclined to believe and sheep on that

Really? I think I'd trust Bingle's slot more rn.

I think the way Bingle is playing makes him not with Dave or Drixx, not theatery.

Dave gives us more information.
If Dave flips Town then we vote Bingle.
Simple.

Flipping scum gives us more information.

You sure are confident.

Guys there’s 4 Mafia left so Mafia can easily be leading the game.
Therefore we vote Dave.

This is a very good point.

I actually think that the better approach here is to go for the one trying to control the wagons.

Mhmm. Eddie is increasingly looking like a good vote.

The team should be something like:
Eddie, Albert, Morning Tweet, Battle Mage

With BBMolla and FireBringer leftover as possibilities.

Don't think that's quite right. Tweet is likely town as much as I hate to admit it. It's also likely only one of {BM, ABR}.

[Ircher]

Nah not rn. Your slot doesn't have traction atm.

[Ircher]

No.

[Ircher]

I don't like how they handled the trap they were in.

[Ircher]

Vote Drixx. We can chase the big fish later like Eddie Cane.

[Ircher]

Vote Drixx. We can chase the big fish later like Eddie Cane.

[Ircher]

At this rate, we're gonna No Lynch...

[Ircher]

strange vote fire

[Ircher]

VOTE: Drixx

[Ircher]

Bingle is probably good from an info standpoint, but we shouldn't be lynching solely for info.

[Ircher]

{Ircher}
{Morning Tweet}
{Bingle, TSE, VaultDweller}
{ABR}
{Firebringer, pisskop}
{Eddie Cain, GuiltyLion}
{Drixx, BBMolla, davesaz}
{Battle Mage}

Team is likely {Battle Mage, Drixx XOR BBMolla, Eddie Cain XOR GuiltyLion, Firebringer XOR davesaz}.

[Ircher]

Two more doors open. In the first, an enormous circular blade hangs from the ceiling, with a pulled switch in the center. Nobody seems to be inside...
Inside the second, yet another massacre awaits. Two shredded bodies and a destroyed bathtub lie inside. It seems nail bombs went off inside the room. How grim.

Due to the Choice made in a Game by Battle Mage last night, Jigsaw's Acolytes have gained a 2-shot factional night kill!

Due to Choices made in a Game by pisskop, GuiltyLion and TrueSoulEnergy last night, GuiltyLion and TrueSoulEnergy were killed by nail bombs!

VOTE: Pisskop

Obviously

2 players left not in any hood (every other one has flipped town) - BBMolla and Pisskop. Pisskop still hasn't claimed. Helped lynch Drixx yesterday (a wagon surely riddled with scum at this stage). Killed 2 town last night in a trap. Need I go on?

You aren't escaping justice today!

pisskop looks kinda townish from that trap; I imagine it's a "choose 1 person to survive" kind of trap.

I think BM is scumclaiming

Here's what i'm thinking initially

Spoiler:

Town Read //
VaultDweller
Albert B. Rampage
Pisskop I

Town Lean //
BBmolla

Town Incline //
Eddie Cain

I wonder.. //
Firebringer
Ircher
Davesaz
Bingle
Battle Mage II

BM + davesaz + Bingle + {Ircher, Eddie, Fire}

Not really sure about the last slot yet. I think davesaz is one scum that helped us lynch Drixx. Bingle not being lynched is an absolute crime and I'm going to check who was unwilling to place their votes on him.

I'm inclined to think BB is town. Out of the Ircher, Eddie, Fire pool my first guess is Ircher.

BM and Dave sure. Strongly think Bingle is town and Bingle imvestigated Eddie last night so that should help. I'm definitely town.

Consider my vote on BM after Bingle outs his result.

[Ircher]

{Ircher, VaultDweller}
{Morning Tweet, pisskop}
{Bingle}
{ABR, Firebringer} --- Null/Neutral Line
{Eddie Cane, BBMolla}
{davesaz}
{Battle Mage}

[Ircher]

ircher r u bussing rn?

I've been scumreading Battle Mage ever since I replaced in and learned how he handled his first trap.

[Ircher]

cop seems like a silly claim for scum; honestly like Bingle's posts; etc. Probably throw in some selfish reasons as well.

I didn't read any posts that came before I replaced in I'll note as well.

pedit: I was hoping I'd be trapped honestly. Disappointed I wasn't.

[Ircher]

multiple cop claims isn't too weird in role madness setups especially when the hood's theme is police.

[Ircher]

timing of claim and haven't really liked davesaz's posts.

[Ircher]

Have to admit 3282 seems like a frustrated townie's last thoughts before being mislynched kind of post.

[Ircher]

. My decision for the first trap was not too hard - on Night 1, I was essentially confirmed townie, and able to actively influence the game, so it felt more beneficial to town to continue on.

Can you explain this further Battle Mage?

[Ircher]

To be more precise, what do you mean by "essentially confirmed town?

[Ircher]

Also someone remind me what Battle Mage's claim is.

[Ircher]

To be more precise, what do you mean by "essentially confirmed town?

at the time I'd just single-handedly led a scum lynch from nothing, within my own hood (at a time when the unanimous view was that there was only 1 scum in our hood). So I was essentially conf-town, in that nobody in their right mind would be lynching me (as everyone else would have told you at the time...). But I had the added benefit of being able to actually influence things, whereas a hidden IC couldn't do that (and in a game full of cops and stuff, an IC isn't that powerful anyway...)

Overconfident perhaps, but reasonable nonetheless.

Have BM go in a self-incriminating trap
Pisskop!scum says that GL and TSE both advocated for BM's lynch.
Leave Morning alive, she's going to be upset with BM
Leave Ircher alive, he hard scumreads BM

It's a really simple and quick mislynch plan and then you win the game. I kinda thought that Ircher and myself were good candidates for the trap, not GuiltyLion/TSE/pisskop

Why would scum even put pisskop in a trap? Ircher seemed really obvious town yesterday. I had a lot of townreads on me too

GuiltyLion has night immunity! That was a risk. TSE confirms Vault as town when you kill him. The night choices are sort of weird. Unsure I'd let them change my mind yet though

These are good points as well.

[Ircher]

BM thinks driving a scum lynch makes him confirmed town. He thinks he is equivalent to an IC.

thats def not true too btw.

Last game i saw him fake claim a cop guilty on an ally to lynch him.

I think we can all be proud of ourselves with a BM lynch whether he's scum or not lol. Policy lynch it with fire.

Wow, this post is bad. We don't have mislynches to afford on mere policy lynches.

BM feels like a sinking ship of bluster that pulled one last move to try to further his wincon last night.

I really tried to believe that he was too scummy to be scum, but I think its all probably a front.

Your recent posts aren't inspiring confidence in my (town)read of you. Please explain how your trap worked and what the precise choice was.

[Ircher]

What makes you think scum can't choose freely?

[Ircher]

also now's a good time for anyone who hasn't claimed yet to claim. Half the game has already claimed anyway.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Davesaz

[Ircher]

And yeah, you're probably right that we've already lost.

[Ircher]

Ok Ircher is definitely town. So that helps.

Good chance there is 1 scum in {Firebringer, BBMolla}

No idea why it's so damn hard to lynch ABR - his play this game has been as inconsistent and haphazard as anything I've ever seen on this site, and yet throughout he has made no attempt to hide the fact he is scum. MT saving him yesterday was a turning point in this game.

so Ircher, VD, BM = town

Pisskop has started to win me over a little bit today, so let's play it extra safe.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ABR

We may as well go out swinging at the most likely scum player. Anyone buying that ABR is some nonchalant frustrated town who is throwing the game today, after all the effort he has put in, is mad.

I feel davesaz has a higher chance of flipping scum than ABR. Thoughts on dave?

[Ircher]

Less fun to play with than ABR? ouch, that one stings! Especially given how this game went earlier

Thankfully this is effectively my last game, as all this personal stuff is just a bit much for what is meant to be a bit of fun!

On Momo, I think it was my case initially and Hectic jumped on early as he was keen not to be lynched. It wouldn't surprise me at all if you found him more persuasive than me, but I did start the move at least.

Yes I definitely don't want to lose sight of you as being potential scum (especially as I'm the only person who seems to acknowledge that is a possibility, which is quite scary....).

My flavour solve means ABR is scum, at least 1 of BBmolla and Pisskop is scum, and there is at least 1, but perhaps only 1 scum in cop-hood. Which means lynching from within the cop-hood today is kamikaze.

it wasn't right for Xtoxm/ABR to snap at you like they did. But now im not really surprised about it, in hindsight

Yeah it was something like that. I might have starting townreading you before it and I was convinced by it. Can't really remember now. Also I went with you on Xtoxm, cause I thought you had a convincing reason to lynch him. So there's 2 examples. Sort of.

ty for the reminder of the flavour thing, i'm gonna keep it in mind just on the off-chance it's actually right. Don't know if I can compromise on ABR yet though

this is the problem really - people thinking that sort of thing is ok. But it is what it is - I'm done for this one. Although, as always, people will give me loads of shit during and post-game about how bad I played or whatever, the fact is I've played a good game here, had a good reads for the most part, and pushed hard to lynch scum. If I hadn't played as well as I have, town would have been railroaded much much earlier. And despite the abusive behaviour of some, it has been a fun game as I've said, and thanks again to the Mod for that. Let's cut the crap, and make it simple:

We are lynching ABR or BM today. I've got a cop innocent on me from the conf-town VD, I'm quite obviously town, but admittedly I haven't always made optimal decisions. ABR is obviously scum who has barely even tried to hide it, if anyone would even bother to look. Make your choice.

-Adios-

I wouldn't call it a Cop inno.

It's more of a tracking inno on two consecutive nights with the caveat that you are possibly a Ninja (i.e.: Jigsaw). I'd call it maybe 3/5 a normal cop inno.

[Ircher]

dave, what is your current solve?

[Ircher]

With the Acolytes pulling the strings, it was all too easy to take yet another innocent life, to spill yet more innocent blood. Jigsaw's ultimate Game was over, with his point proven and all tested.

The loudspeaker crackles on, for the final time.

"My game is complete. You all have been tested. Your bloodthirst proven. Your inability to resist the temptations of Mafia leads to your downfall. My traps have fulfilled my purpose.

Now, for the finishing touch.

GAME OVER"

One by one, their heads explode. All heads...except for four. At long last, the hooded Pisskop unveils himself as the Voice, John Kramer, Jigsaw. His Acolytes Eddie Cane, Firebringer and davesaz smile behind him. There are many more to be tested soon...

Jigsaw's Acolytes, consisting of momo, pisskop, Eddie Cane, Firebringer and davesaz (as well as the replaced Blake Belladonna and GeorgeBailey) have won!

Jigsaw's Chosen, consisting of Morning Tweet, Ircher, VaultDweller, Bingle, Battle Mage, BBmolla, Titus, Hectic, Elsa Jay, Pine, xtoxm, farside22, Almost50, Drixx, TrueSoulEnergy and GuiltyLion (as well as the replaced Gamma Emerald, iDanyboy, Albert B. Rampage and Vecna) have lost!

I am ending the game here as with scum's KP per night it is impossible for town to win.

Oh hey look, I was right about Eddie.

[Ircher]

Thanks for modding Cakez. Kinda wish I was in at the start.