Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

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Hello.

VOTE: farside

Welcome back.

Hi! Always nice to feel missed.
VOTE: Abr are you stalking me?

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Guys, only 7 more to lynch! We can make this the, like third shortest large theme day 1 ever!

Sorry, not much of a bw type

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Guys, only 7 more to lynch! We can make this the, like third shortest large theme day 1 ever!

Sorry, not much of a bw type

VOTE: xtoxm

ive been saying, that you are the #1 person on this site at reading me...
i wonder if you still can retain this title after so long ?
we will see

is it an alt or something? or do you consider 2 years long? :p

*looks at join date*

Been around since 2007, long story short lost old account. Created new with almost the same name.

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VOTE: xtomx
I am also the worst at previewing my post.

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VOTE: xtomx
I am also the worst at previewing my post.

?

Your comment implies you know I'm town.
As scum i wouldn't have to figure anything out.

I am also the worst

Seriously? You are the duck???

Sigh. Some how i feel like i deserved that quip.

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I’d assume Detectic over here knows what he’s doing and would use gloves

Btw far side are you just farside22? I’ve okayed like one game with you if so.

One and only.

VOTE: farside
thats a super awkward response to me
i think she might have actually pulled scum here

You want to explain your comment?
Do you think i would try to sort you as scum?

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VOTE: farside
thats a super awkward response to me
i think she might have actually pulled scum here

I have to hard agree. It feels like Farside is framing that as a scumslip, when it was actually just a cheeky comment on their meta.

VOTE: Farside

To be fair i thought it was a joke till bm ask xtoxm about the comment that made me wonder if he slipped.

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By the way im wantes to comment about being fingered by pisskop, but he's like a kid brother and the idea gave me hives.

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I’d assume Detectic over here knows what he’s doing and would use gloves

Btw far side are you just farside22? I’ve okayed like one game with you if so.

One and only.

VOTE: farside
thats a super awkward response to me
i think she might have actually pulled scum here

You want to explain your comment?
Do you think i would try to sort you as scum?

Ah no way, I remember you! trippy

*waves*

I remember many here. Its crazy to see so many still here after all this time.

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By the way im wantes to comment about being fingered by pisskop, but he's like a kid brother and the idea gave me hives.

the reality might have given you something a lot worse...

Thank you. I really needed that laugh.
Wow!
Did you come back because of the virus? I got bored withe the stay at home mandate.

Promise last personal response, we can save this for post game so the thread doesn't get clogges up with unnecessary chat.

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By the way im wantes to comment about being fingered by pisskop, but he's like a kid brother and the idea gave me hives.

Trying to brush off all the suspicion with odd humor now are we?

*puts on a monocle and stares*

No.
Are you trying too hard?

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@pisskop: Can you explain your town read on Hectic? I get read his post as null currently.

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Hello all you lovely people. So I'm in a hood, and our dear mod declined to give us a roster of who is in there.

I find it unusual that nobody has commented on this post.

I'm in a daychat PT too. There are at least 3 other players in it.

There are 21 players total, 16 town and 5 same-side scum.

Let's make some assumptions.

There are two neighborhoods or more, each with at least 4 players.

Nobody picked up on Drixx's post, because they don't want to out themselves as in his Private Topic or in a PT at all. If people weren't in a hood, they would be more interested in Drixx who claimed he was in one. Nothing in the setup said anything about PTs, except that daychat is active for all of them. So we have to assume everyone is in one.

Now what bothers me is the player count. Why 21 players and not 20? With 20 players, you can have 4-player or 5-player PTs with an even distribution.

21 can only be divided by 7. So are there 3 PTs, with 7 players each? If so, in my PT, 3 players have stayed on the sidelines so far, with 4 including myself announcing our presence, and in another PT, we know of Drixx.

What are possible distributions of scum in the PTs in 3 7-player PTs? 2-2-1, 2-3-0, or 5-0-0. The first one is the most likely (60%), the second one unlikely (30%), and the third option highly improbable (10%).

Therefore, if my assumption is correct that we're all in a PT, and that we all have scum in our PT, it's not safe to post our insights in the PTs as scum have daytalk and can share information, keeping the town out of the loop on content and slowing down scumhunting.

There's another possibility, however:

There could be a masons.

In this case, 21 players could break down like this:
3 masons in their hood
18 players remaining, 3 hoods with 6 players each

So here's what I'm thinking:
1) It's not safe to massclaim our PTs
2) It's safe for someone to claim not to be in a PT, although they might be lying about it and we don't have the means to verify.
3) If you're in a PT, you should announce your presence to the PT participants. Otherwise, you are damaging town cohesion and would therefore most likely be scum.
4) As the game progresses, if we clean out 2 scum from a single PT, it's probable that the remaining are town.

I don't think the breakdown is all that simple.
The problem with 3 and 4 is there is no way to know who has access the the PT when the mod doesn't list who is part of the PT.

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Xtoxm you coming back to play or respond to this game?
I didn't get the case meno made. Well i should say its a bit reachy so i feel neh about it.
@abr: not sure if you missed what my issue was. If there is no way to know who has access to the neighborhood, how do you know if every player posted is in the pt or not.
I really wasn't trying to say that bluntly because i didn't want to give scum any ideas but it's the biggest flaw to scum hunting the pt.

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I don't see a reason to speculate with the mafia, whether they are in any PT (other then there own) or not. I think if those that have a PT can talk to the players there to get a feel outside of this game or push things in the PT, then have at it.

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Gamma why do I always scumread you

Town

Hectic's posts bug me beyond words and not in a scumhunting way

Pisskop town

ABR is probably scum for the setup spec

VOTE: ABR

Hectic stop being useless please

I'm in no PT btw

VOTE: GuiltyLion so we can get off the Almost wagon. He'll solve himself later.

Why did you make this terrible vote

Elsa was doing setup spec as well. I'm just wondering why ABR got dinged and no mention of elsa if it's a scum tell.

Why are wagoning battle mage?

I can explain the drixx one - it's cause he thought I posted a legit reads list with myself ranked somewhere in the middle.

He's also voting for you for following Mono's case on Tweet.


I'm doing something different and making notes on a pad with this game. I thought I might get lost with 21 players and some players get forgotten as a game goes on, into lurker territory.

I'm going to go with my gut scum read since he hasn't done much so far to change my view with the post he has made and no look like trying to figure anyone out.

VOTE: davesaz

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I'm doing something different and making notes on a pad with this game.

I used to make notes via Excel. Works well,and improved the quality of my content, but became a chore at some point. I look forward to seeing how this works for you!

I tried it on the computer a few time bit i got lazy with switching screens. I hope this works better.

EBWOP: Vecna gets scum points for helping BATTLE MAGE sell his bullshit. Momo was involved but not the direct purveyor of said stinky load. He also tried to sell it to you though. Unless you like carts full of bullshit, maybe you should wonder why those three are trying to sell you one.

That is some mountain you created there.

@abr: why is xtoxm a scum read? I only agree with you verna scum read.

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You're overanalyzing, Albert B. Rampage.

The name of the game is analysis, I'm just doing it well, and I'm consistent.

2) It's safe for someone to claim not to be in a PT, although they might be lying about it and we don't have the means to verify.
3) If you're in a PT, you should announce your presence to the PT participants. Otherwise, you are damaging town cohesion and would therefore most likely be scum.

1) If you have 3 PTs, the odds are that you have 1 scum in each and 2 off of it.
2) People who claim not to be in a PT can lie with no repercussions as there's no guarantee of any PT investigative in this game.
3) People who hide from their PT are scummy.

@abr: why is xtoxm a scum read? I only agree with you verna scum read.

I've made my decision. I will lynch one of [BBmolla, Xtoxm, Guilty Lion] today. This is our highest chance of success.

If that list is based on those that have claimed not to be part of a PT.....don't you think everyone should post if there are part of one or not first?

I am inclined to believe Dany is town for the comment, but I'd like to hear more about it from him regardless.

Is anyone going to respond to Drixx's point about Battle hopping onto momo's "case" on me? Or are we just gonna keep talking about the joke readslist?

@ABR Be a bit careful, I feel it's likely theres at least one neighbourhood that is just town. But still, I'm sure the majority of them contain a scum ya

My read on BM is more about old meta. He seems really nice and I recall he used to be a bit of a jerk to play with. I feel the need to get into a shower because it makes me feel icky, but I'm waiting to see maybe he's just changed as far as play style goes.
He could be buddying up to other players as scum as far as how he followed mono.....I just expect better from him in general as a player if that makes any sense.

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EBWOP: Vecna gets scum points for helping BATTLE MAGE sell his bullshit. Momo was involved but not the direct purveyor of said stinky load. He also tried to sell it to you though. Unless you like carts full of bullshit, maybe you should wonder why those three are trying to sell you one.

What?

Someone posts a readslist.

Battle mage OBVIOUSLY ridicules said person by copying the player list in reaction

You come and try to paint it as scummy what battle mage does, and then attack the people that point out you just did a whoosh?

VOTE: Drixx

And Vecna pulls a KM and pretends to misunderstand and scum read for his failure to understand. I haven't exactly laid down any dissertations yet. Short easy to digest posts. Vecna already got called for helping reinforce the bullshit claim that I voted BM for the reads list, which I already pointed out was a BS misrep and what does Vecna do? He nitpicks a post that I did an EBWOP for because I typed "momo" instead of "Battlemage" and tries to pretend he actually believes I made a temporal order mistake and ... then proceeds to try to sell you all the bullshit claim, again, that my vote came as a result of one thing when it clearly happened in response to something else.

So ... who benefits from obfuscating really clear things in mafia games?

I'm like 99.9% of the way to swapping my vote to Vecna at this point. Either too lazy to actually read short posts or scum. There's literally no other possibility space now.

I'd be down for a Vecna wagon.

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EBWOP: Vecna gets scum points for helping BATTLE MAGE sell his bullshit. Momo was involved but not the direct purveyor of said stinky load. He also tried to sell it to you though. Unless you like carts full of bullshit, maybe you should wonder why those three are trying to sell you one.

What?

Someone posts a readslist.

Battle mage OBVIOUSLY ridicules said person by copying the player list in reaction

You come and try to paint it as scummy what battle mage does, and then attack the people that point out you just did a whoosh?

VOTE: Drixx

And Vecna pulls a KM and pretends to misunderstand and scum read for his failure to understand. I haven't exactly laid down any dissertations yet. Short easy to digest posts. Vecna already got called for helping reinforce the bullshit claim that I voted BM for the reads list, which I already pointed out was a BS misrep and what does Vecna do? He nitpicks a post that I did an EBWOP for because I typed "momo" instead of "Battlemage" and tries to pretend he actually believes I made a temporal order mistake and ... then proceeds to try to sell you all the bullshit claim, again, that my vote came as a result of one thing when it clearly happened in response to something else.

So ... who benefits from obfuscating really clear things in mafia games?

I'm like 99.9% of the way to swapping my vote to Vecna at this point. Either too lazy to actually read short posts or scum. There's literally no other possibility space now.

I'd be down for a Vecna wagon.

So, are you waiting for someone else to do it first?

Permission?

Bettlejuice!
BettleJuice!

This is the second time you responded to a post that clearly tells me you are not reading the thread and you seem to respond only to your name.

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Bettlejuice!
BettleJuice!

This is the second time you responded to a post that clearly tells me you are not reading the thread and you seem to respond only to your name.

Reminding myself to ask about this, but wait until Vecna has had a chance to respond.

I know you are not a chatty player in general but you have any insights thus far?

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so farside do you tr me?
what changed between start of game where u sr me to influence that?
i dont feel the one post i made in the mean time was particularly ai

No to both. Did you just bypass all my post where i explained my thought process?

a simple click on my iso would be enough to form an opinion on the statement davesaz. But clearly farsode feels the need to respond in weird ways when being called out on him being scared to vote me.

You are cherry picking comments and calling things scummy.
I see nothing weird about my comment. Ill explain fully when i fmgo back to my computer.

UNVOTE:

Your reads are bad ABR

Drixx is town

I dont recall abr calling drixx scum

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By the way im wantes to comment about being fingered by pisskop, but he's like a kid brother and the idea gave me hives.

Trying to brush off all the suspicion with odd humor now are we?

*puts on a monocle and stares*

First thing was this.
Tweet noted herself

Interesting Vecna chooses that kind of wording for farside. She seemed way less invested in the "odd humour" in comparison to the others

Which Venca never follow up with or said anything about.

Considering the post before that is my introduction, it is indeed my RVS. Serious Mode will be put on soon.

Write out your detailed thoughts no later than tomorrow night, as you've unfortunately already drawn my attention.

Elaborate? For most it'd be the other way around.

I'm confident I can have a better read on them the longer the game goes on, so I won't even entertain lynching them day 1 at all.

Rampage can be my friend this game

VOTE: Vecna

Why?

Because your alarm bells also went off and you also felt the need to question the "randomizer rvs bit"

Good gut tingles make for good friends

I don't see anything that elsa post that made this reversal reason a thing at all.

Yeah, Drixx not looking at the front page whether it was just a copy of the playerlist is kinda.....yikes

EBWOP: Vecna gets scum points for helping BATTLE MAGE sell his bullshit. Momo was involved but not the direct purveyor of said stinky load. He also tried to sell it to you though. Unless you like carts full of bullshit, maybe you should wonder why those three are trying to sell you one.

What?

Someone posts a readslist.

Battle mage OBVIOUSLY ridicules said person by copying the player list in reaction

You come and try to paint it as scummy what battle mage does, and then attack the people that point out you just did a whoosh?

VOTE: Drixx

EBWOP: Vecna gets scum points for helping BATTLE MAGE sell his bullshit. Momo was involved but not the direct purveyor of said stinky load. He also tried to sell it to you though. Unless you like carts full of bullshit, maybe you should wonder why those three are trying to sell you one.

What?

Someone posts a readslist.

Battle mage OBVIOUSLY ridicules said person by copying the player list in reaction

You come and try to paint it as scummy what battle mage does, and then attack the people that point out you just did a whoosh?

VOTE: Drixx

Now lets link the post that Drixx made a case on BM

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11747901

Did drixx miss it was blank list of players. Yes. Was that drixx full reason for voting BM? No.
So apparently Vecna focuses on the only thing he can attack.

And Vecna pulls a KM and pretends to misunderstand and scum read for his failure to understand. I haven't exactly laid down any dissertations yet. Short easy to digest posts. Vecna already got called for helping reinforce the bullshit claim that I voted BM for the reads list, which I already pointed out was a BS misrep and what does Vecna do? He nitpicks a post that I did an EBWOP for because I typed "momo" instead of "Battlemage" and tries to pretend he actually believes I made a temporal order mistake and ... then proceeds to try to sell you all the bullshit claim, again, that my vote came as a result of one thing when it clearly happened in response to something else.

So ... who benefits from obfuscating really clear things in mafia games?

I'm like 99.9% of the way to swapping my vote to Vecna at this point. Either too lazy to actually read short posts or scum. There's literally no other possibility space now.

I'd be down for a Vecna wagon.

So, are you waiting for someone else to do it first?

Permission?

Now I get to the priceless moment. I see more scum motivation of taunting in a post like this. He even ignored that I was voting for someone on a more serious level.

In short weak pushes from him. Taunting, followup with cherry picking comments to make players look scummy and all in all looks to be avoiding the full conversation at hand.

VOTE: Vernca

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@a50 - regarding farside, she did acknowledge this potential flaw in ABR's "statistics" "reasoning":

If that list is based on those that have claimed not to be part of a PT.....don't you think everyone should post if there are part of one or not first?

I think it'd be kinda scummy to say this and yet not claim if you're not in any of the hoods, do you agree? Based on that I think farside is probably in a hood.

I'm in a hood. I posted in it when the game started, but I figured if people said they were not in a hood then the POE of those in a hood would be known.

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@a50 - regarding farside, she did acknowledge this potential flaw in ABR's "statistics" "reasoning":

If that list is based on those that have claimed not to be part of a PT.....don't you think everyone should post if there are part of one or not first?

I think it'd be kinda scummy to say this and yet not claim if you're not in any of the hoods, do you agree? Based on that I think farside is probably in a hood.

I'm in a hood. I posted in it when the game started, but I figured if people said they were not in a hood then the POE of those in a hood would be known.

By the way that was in regards to ABR's willing to lynch list. I wasn't sure if he was doing it based on those in a hood or not, that was why I asked if everyone should claim.

Bitchy comment

Spoiler:

*reading is fundemental!!*

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By the way that was in regards to ABR's willing to lynch list. I wasn't sure if he was doing it based on those in a hood or not, that was why I asked if everyone should claim.

I understand that...? I was saying to a50 we could probably assume you were in a hood because of you making that comment and also not saying that you weren't in a hood.

Why is it scummy then? He's scum hunting outside the hood.

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@ venca: Everyone was commenting about the finger comment. I thought it was funny and commented. There was no pressure during that time. Pressure is multiple votes on you all at once in my opinion.
How it the joke awkward at all? I love gross jokes.

Pfft cherry picking in my book is scummy and you think it shakes out scum? That is scummy because all it does in enforce you faking a scum read.

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By the way that was in regards to ABR's willing to lynch list. I wasn't sure if he was doing it based on those in a hood or not, that was why I asked if everyone should claim.

I understand that...? I was saying to a50 we could probably assume you were in a hood because of you making that comment and also not saying that you weren't in a hood.

Why is it scummy then? He's scum hunting outside the hood.

I'm saying YOU would have been scummy if you weren't in a hood, and you had asked ABR that same question without providing the info that you weren't in a hood.

reading is fundamental, no?

Got it. I read that in the wrong context, sorry.

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Cherry picking is only scummy if theres intent from scum behind it. Town also always cherry picks shit they think is scummy and prod at it.

*sigh*
I feel like I going to have to put on a hat for this........
*puts on dorky hat*
There is a difference between cherry picking things that ding you and reading everything going on in the game to see if that post has merrit for looking scummy.
I have seen a number of times scum cherry pick through things to make a BS case with missing gaps all in between.
*Dork hat off*

Grumbles.......

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That hat looks wonderful on you, why take it off

How do you feel about Drixx pretending he never whooshed on whatshisname pasting the playerlist and Drixx claiming it was scummy?

I have drixx as a scum read on my list.
I noted he had BM as scum for the reasoning of the scum list and then gets all pissy when people call him out on it as not being a scum tell.
It makes no sense to call, when BM himself never call it a scum list to begin with.
I agreed with Drixx first point on BM but the second part where BM even explains about the post and others chime in and he swipes at them is very irrational for him to do.

@a50 Vault and Pine haven't even posted yet. You're in my lynch list because you're acting antitown.

Try ISOing them. You won't even have to. You will find their names on the list though, which proves they each have posted at least once.

They haven't posted any content, meaning they might not even have had time to post in a PT or catch up.

It would be helpful if everyone provided a list of players in their lynchpool so we can get some bandwagons underway.

Drixx, a50, EJ, are the top and light scum reads or not enough info are as follows:
xtoxm, Bella, George, Pine, Vault, gamma
null: momo, hectic ABR

a50, why are we removing people in hoods from the poe?
most of the game seems to be in one, so surely that's where we should be lynching?
my slot, for example, can be cleared pt cop/similar, hood members cant

How do you know whether someone can be cleared or not from a hood?

Townie vibes from Drixx, also not very strong though

Why? I know it's a vibe, but what post gave it.

VOTE: EJ