Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[VaultDweller]

I'm here. Will start playing on Monday

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I'm here, catching up. At the start of page 2 now.

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Thanks!

Up to page 7

I'm keeping hectic alive for flavour reasons

Rampage can be town for now

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Also, I have just decided that I am going to ignore the game of Mafia for now and play the game of Choose Your Own Adventure instead. Seems way more fun.

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momo's reasoning on morning tweet is weak and battle mage looks bad for jumping on it so quickly

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iDanyboy can be town

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Not a strong read, but I'm getting townie vibes from Morning Tweet

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Townie vibes from Drixx, also not very strong though

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I will let him get away with it as sometimes people just can't post on weekends. MagnaOfIllusion used to be on permanent weekend V/LA, for example.

Thanks. I'm mostly V/LA over weekends.

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The Drixx/battle mage exchange doesn't feel TvT.

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Townie vibes from Drixx, also not very strong though

Why? I know it's a vibe, but what post gave it.

It's mostly because of his mindmeld with me for finding Battle mage's sheep vote scummy

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Vecna and momo hard defending battle mage like that is interesting. I can't see two teammates defending him so early in the game, unless he has a very powerful role. Though it could be that vecna is town and scum!momo jumped on vecna's defense of battle mage. Not sure what to think of the whole thing, but there's a good chance there's scum in it, probably either Drixx or Battle Mage/momo.

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I find myself disagreeing with most of what Rampage is saying in the latter stages. My town read on him is dwindling.

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Point taken, that still leaves Vault.

What about him? He is still in my PoE unrtil he decides to show up and answer my question.

Yes, I am in a hood and posted in it a few hours ago.

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I carefully yet bravely head through the door.

As you pass through the doorway, your worst fears are confirmed. You see Pine, momo, Morning Tweet, Elsa Jay, Gamma Emerald, VaultDweller, Vecna, Hectic, iDanyboy, GeorgeBailey, Drixx, davesaz, farside, Battle Mage, BBmolla, GuiltyLion, pisskop, Albert B. Rampage, Almost50, xtoxm, and Blake Belladonna, all inside at the edge of the room as well. The room is enormous and stretches off into the distance in a seeming labyrinth of bizarre machines, dripping pipes and rusting walls. Amidst the group, disturbing weapons lay about, including guns, knives, pipes, and other seemingly alien objects. As well, tools of investigation and healing can be seen.

It seems the madman who placed the tape intends to realize the game of Mafia in full. No longer will votes and posts make a difference. Now, you must all fight for your lives. A large timer lies above, slowly counting down. Another tape recorder lies at in front of you, unplayed. Do you play it?

I pick up a gun and try to shoot

Battle Mage

with it. If that doesn't do anything, I'll snag a tool of investigation in the follow on chaos erupting from my attempted kill shot.

What happened to this? @Mod?

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I find myself disagreeing with most of what Rampage is saying in the latter stages. My town read on him is dwindling.

Why does you disagreeing with him mean that he's scum?

Bella just answered this in great detail above, specifically him being focused almost solely focused on neighbourhood composition. And I am probably using "disagreeing" here wrongly. I don't feel they are thoughts a town player should have.

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Corollary question: why would someone saying something you agree with make them town?

Proof by contradiction: why would someone saying something you agree with make them scum?

This is a joke, don't take it too seriously. I agree that someone agreeing with you doesn't necessarily make them town.

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Vecna and momo hard defending battle mage like that is interesting. I can't see two teammates defending him so early in the game, unless he has a very powerful role. Though it could be that vecna is town and scum!momo jumped on vecna's defense of battle mage. Not sure what to think of the whole thing, but there's a good chance there's scum in it, probably either Drixx or Battle Mage/momo.

@Drixx, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think all 3 are scum? What are your thoughts on momo?

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Caught up again. Nothing really to comment on. Going to ISO the top wagons now.

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Elsa's posting so far feels "natural", if that makes any sense. That's a null read from me.

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I get townie vibes from GuiltyLion's ISO

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Rampage, could you clarify what you mean by Guilty's reads being "phoned in"?

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Dany mainly being scumread for his 223, which made sense to me at the time, so I'm not scumreading him at the moment.

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I'm still not sure what to think of the whole Vecna/Drixx situation. Though at this point I'm leaning more towards Vecna being town and Drixx being scum in that exchange. Not a very strong read though.

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@Drixx, speaking of, you never answered my question, unless I missed it.

Vecna and momo hard defending battle mage like that is interesting. I can't see two teammates defending him so early in the game, unless he has a very powerful role. Though it could be that vecna is town and scum!momo jumped on vecna's defense of battle mage. Not sure what to think of the whole thing, but there's a good chance there's scum in it, probably either Drixx or Battle Mage/momo.

@Drixx, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think all 3 are scum? What are your thoughts on momo?

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@Drixx, speaking of, you never answered my question, unless I missed it.

Vecna and momo hard defending battle mage like that is interesting. I can't see two teammates defending him so early in the game, unless he has a very powerful role. Though it could be that vecna is town and scum!momo jumped on vecna's defense of battle mage. Not sure what to think of the whole thing, but there's a good chance there's scum in it, probably either Drixx or Battle Mage/momo.

@Drixx, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think all 3 are scum? What are your thoughts on momo?

VOTE: Drixx

For ignoring me.

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@Drixx, speaking of, you never answered my question, unless I missed it.

Vecna and momo hard defending battle mage like that is interesting. I can't see two teammates defending him so early in the game, unless he has a very powerful role. Though it could be that vecna is town and scum!momo jumped on vecna's defense of battle mage. Not sure what to think of the whole thing, but there's a good chance there's scum in it, probably either Drixx or Battle Mage/momo.

@Drixx, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think all 3 are scum? What are your thoughts on momo?

VOTE: Drixx

For ignoring me.

Like ... I already gave thoughts on all three. And then I've interacted more with Vecna since AND commented that BM took the opportunity of Vecna's smokescreen to avoid responding to me. What more you want?

Quotes please? Specifically the parts where you mention momo

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Technically, you have to count my reads with a 5x multiplier because

I'm a town leader.

The longer Pine dodges this game while posting anywhere but here the more sure I am he's scum.

Besides GuiltyLion, I don't find anyone SUPER SCUMMY right now. I have some townreads...and that's it

. If we have to compromise and lynch a player we all feel neutral towards, like Pine, it's better than no lynch or dragging a day to the point everyone is bored and annoyed and wants to quit. So I'm voting GuiltyLion, if that doesn't work, I'm OK to vote out Pine if he doesn't do anything, because I legit don't know who has a high possibility of flipping scum here. Maybe Vecna?

@Vecna

Keep in mind I haven't played in 3+ years.

I don't remember much about previous games.

These two posts don't go together.

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I'm more and more beginning to think Drixx is bad town rather than scum.

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@Mod I'm V/LA from tomorrow and will only be back on Tuesday

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I'm back. Haven't done a lot so far, except ISO dany, who seems to be the leading wagon D2 from what I can gather.

His reasoning for voting hectic was:

He has ~70 posts and he hasn't pushed anything.

Then MT replies with

he's pushing momo now

to which his response is

That's now not when I voted.

He continues voting hectic after this revelation, which he shouldn't, given his only reason for hectic is, "he's not pushing". I find this pretty scummy.

On the other hand I would expect him to move to momo when it's clear momo was going to get lynched. Though he didn't have any posts in that period, so it could be that he just wasn't online.

So I'm happy with this vote for now:

VOTE: iDanyboy

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What did I leave out?

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I'm a bit busy, which is why my posting frequency is so low right now. As mentioned I also haven't read the last part of D2, so I can't give any real reads. Because of this fact I decided to ISO the most voted player today and see if I agree with their scuminess. If I did, I'd vote them. If not, I'd do the same for the next highest voted player, until I find someone who I agree is scummy.

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@vault: ill get back to you later. Id like to see your thoughts on the list abr made.
@bm: did you discuss anything with elsa?

I will get around to this on Monday

@Mod, I'm V/LA until Monday (I promise this is the last time)

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I'm back. I see there's like a million new posts since I last read. Won't be catching up any time soon. Anyone care to give me the tl;dr?

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Vecna is your son,

He's not mine.

and has confirmed you town.

Feels good!

We're hopefully lynching ABR today.

VOTE: ABR

Until I get a grip on the game

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Hopefully the number of traps is proportional to the number of living scum.

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Caught up (more or less). I'm getting a town lean from ABR's recent posts. However, I also believe Dany is town. So I have no idea who to vote right now

UNVOTE:

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Vecna is also outside hoods, but I instinctively believe his claim. Although if VaultDweller hasn't already confirmed it, can someone please get him to do so? Just to verify that his flavour also includes something about looking for his son.

There is no mention of a son in my role, but I mean, if someones going to clear me as town, who am I to second guess them?

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I think Vecna also mentioned that I didn't know about him

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Caught up (more or less). I'm getting a town lean from ABR's recent posts. However, I also believe Dany is town. So I have no idea who to vote right now

UNVOTE:

Do you not think it's odd then that ABR behaved so differently when he initially came under pressure at start of day?

Can you elaborate? I see two changes:
- He was quite angry at you scumreading him. He has calmed down a bit now. This could be a) because he actually has calmed down (NAI), or b) he took the mod warning seriously (NAI)
- He was confident in his reads, and now suddenly he apparently has no read on the game. I admit this one is a bit strange.

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The point still remains that I was more interested in why VD seemed to just take it at face value.

Because vaultdweller is Eric Matthews

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VOTE: Drixx

My son clearly knows what he's talking about.

Specifically, I agree with his statement that Drixx is cherrypicking his arguments.

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VOTE: BBMolla

You've gone for two of the easiest scumreads in the game

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considering how unbearable d3 probably is to read

First post in a while I completely agree with

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Spoiler:

Here's the list of players I will NOT lynch today: Pisskop, momo, drixx, BM, Hectic, MT, farside, EJ. I think today is a crapshoot as far lynching correctly because town is dysfunctional, and am mainly angling for Day 2 analysis. I need to get the building blocks of early, serious bandwagons that have a chance to tip over to a real lynch. Make of that what you will.

The way Albert has played this day out is incredibly scummy. He's said I'm 99% scum but has refused to write the case on me or give resasons because "it's better if I let people see it themselves", essentially meaning no discussion can be had about

why

I'm scum, and the game can't be progressed.

VOTE: momo

The gig is up, Hectic, we know you're scum now!

*pulls the curtain to reveal the sign*

WELCOME, SCUM!

The jig is up you got caught.

Anyway, in other news, Hectic is scum.

You've gone from townreading me to mysteriously having a scumread as soon as I disliked some of your posts and started pushing Almo.

You disagreed with me in post 969 about something I said in post 329. I'm over it, Hectic... LOL

I'm 99% certain that Hectic is scum. This is our lynch today. I can see you guys are having a hard time pushing a bandwagon beyond 3 votes, so I'll try to reduce my activity for the final 7 days until we can consolidate around Hectic.

Hectic's posts in the last 24 hours guarantee he is scum. His thought progression simply makes no sense unless he is scum.

How is it that the only one picking up on Hectic claiming scum is GL?

I really HATE to explain myself unless we will lose if I don't. It's much better for me to give a few hints and then solve the rest of the game based on reactions. If in a few real life days nobody has figured out why Hectic is scum, I will write the case myself.

Or we could always give him a pass and try to lynch his teammates to give scum a fighting chance, because they are royally screwed in this game.

This Hectic wagon is ass.

nobody cares about your claim.

Im not joining the hectic wagon

I know, farside. You are the other scum. I saw it coming.

I'm pretty sure this is a reaction test by ABR and if not I'm concerned lmao

No it's genuine. All my other reads are cleared.

Farside/Hectic is 2/5 the scumteam and I have 3 to go.

"Why else would we not know our hoodmates?"

This post of pisskop is entirely consistent with him not being in a hood. Pisskop is either lying consistently or is town.

You should look at Hectic AGAIN.

meh

VOTE: pine

Posts like this make pisskop look scummy. He needs to join the HECTIC WINWAGON.

farside is scum guys

Doesn't matter, vote Hectic.

Sigh, how many votes am I on? Don't hammer before I have a chance to claim.

[A TV Cable Repair Man giving into streaming services]

Given how close we are to deadline, it's time you consider your options.

I can see a world where Momo is town and I can see a world where Hectic is scum but I'm feeling Momo over Hectic unless ABR has an especially compelling point on something I'm not seeing

Stay active, we will need you to finish off Hectic as the clock ticks to midnight.

Seriously, in what world is this town?

He's been memeposting "hEcTiC iS sCuM" and that's literally it the past few days.

Why was BM so sure of xtoxm yesterday that every post he made was a death tunnel?

Without me there's no momo lynch Day 1. BMs theory is 2 scum in a 4 person hood AND I TRY TO MURDER BOTH MY HOOD MATES PINE AND BM N1?????

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

1) Partly due to the case above, which admittedly isn't very solid, but is the best I've got. There were some other quotes I wanted to include as well, but I lost them. Tl;dr:
- He did a 180 degree U-turn on his Momo read D1.
- Hectic was pretty sure he was scum, and given how accurately he read momo, I am giving this some weight.
- He claimed the momo lynch, even though it was initiated by Hectic (from what I read of D1 at least, hadn't read everything, was V/LA at the time).

2) And partly because it's the lynch that will give us the most information. The last few pages have been a mess, and I doubt I will get a solid read on anyone today.

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Can anyone, preferably the naked votes, tell me why davesaz is scummy?

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What's the vote count like? Who are my options?

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I'm probably not voting bingle/danny today

I could be persuaded onto fb/blake

Still need to understand why dave is suddenly a wagon

drixx is also a candidate

Will ISO tomorrow, will hopefully not be too busy then

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no, you specifically declined to vote Momo when you made that post and kept your vote on Hectic.

Quote please?

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If ABR and BM are scum together i'd lose my shit

Why? The more I read the game the more this feels plausible

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W.r.t. all the investigative roles in the cop hood, I can confirm that I also have an (admittedly weak) investigative power.

And my funnybone is telling me that one of my hoodmates just has to be scum, but I'm hesitant to lynch there for obvious reasons.

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In post 2945, VaultDweller wrote:
W.r.t. all the investigative roles in the cop hood, I can confirm that I also have an (admittedly weak) investigative power.

And my funnybone is telling me that one of my hoodmates just has to be scum, but I'm hesitant to lynch there for obvious reasons.


I don't really follow this?

What's there not to follow? I'm just confirming that all players in the cop hood likely have an investigative power.

And I don't want to mislynch an investigative power.

But I do think there is a traitor amongst us. I can't see a hood that big only containing town.

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If ABR and BM are scum together i'd lose my shit

Why? The more I read the game the more this feels plausible

3 scum in a 4 person hood? That is wacky dude...

Why? I've seen it before.

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Hey look, seems I've been busy. I got another son!

Hi TSE, I'll probably be sheeping your vote today. I'm becoming more lost as the day goes on.

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TrueSoulEnergy has been killed night 3! He was Daniel Matthews, a Son aligned with Jigsaw's Chosen

Welcome to Jigsaw's Revenge TrueSoulEnergy!

You are Daniel Matthews, a Son aligned with Jigsaw's Chosen



"My Dad's a... he's a real hard ass. You know, he's probably got half the city out looking for me, just so he can kick my ass for disappearing on him."

Abilities
-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to arrest on suspicion of being involved in the Jigsaw murders.
-You know your father is on the hunt for you. You know VaultDweller is Eric Matthews, and is one of Jigsaw's Chosen. However, they do not know your identity.

You win once all of Jigsaw's Acolytes have been eliminated.
The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82769

Am I town yet BM?

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To be more precise, what do you mean by "essentially confirmed town?

at the time I'd just

single-handedly

led a scum lynch

from nothing

, within my own hood (at a time when the unanimous view was that there was only 1 scum in our hood). So I was essentially conf-town, in that nobody in their right mind would be lynching me (as everyone else would have told you at the time...). But I had the added benefit of being able to actually influence things, whereas a hidden IC couldn't do that (and in a game full of cops and stuff, an IC isn't that powerful anyway...)

It's posts like these that I don't like. Hectic made the initial case. So "single-handedly" and "from nothing" are objectively false

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Claim time.

I am a 3-shot Investigator. I can investigate someone and see if they rigged the game within the last 2 nights (excluding jigsaw)
- Night 1 I did nothing
- Night 2 I investigated iDanyboy/bingle. I got a negative result
- Night 3 I investigated BM. I got a negative result

Discuss.

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We may as well go out swinging at the most likely scum player. Anyone buying that ABR is some nonchalant frustrated town who is throwing the game today, after all the effort he has put in, is mad.

Yesterday I was convinced both of you are scum, so I can be persuaded to vote ABR.

In fact,

VOTE: ABR

for now.

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Confirmed town is a bit of an exaggeration.

Agreed

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VD why ABR over BM?

See my investigation results