Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: Almost50

50 is a scary number

[GeorgeBailey]

This playerlist is sick.

Hi Rat-hating Bat.

[GeorgeBailey]

And now we're in a TORTURE themed game, of all things

Wipes away tears

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Pops would be so proud.

[GeorgeBailey]

i hope sonic is ok

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: farside
thats a super awkward response to me
i think she might have actually pulled scum here

I have to hard agree. It feels like Farside is framing that as a scumslip, when it was actually just a cheeky comment on their meta.

VOTE: Farside

[GeorgeBailey]

I will 'hard' disagree.

I will "hard" ask you why?

[GeorgeBailey]

wow ok, just because I don't shower doesn't make me a creep

[GeorgeBailey]

I also disagree with you GB, I don't see Farside's push on Xtoxm as "framing it as a scumslip", that seems like an uncharitable way to interpret her post and it's not difficult for me to imagine her response coming from town

Really?

Your comment implies you know I'm town.
As scum i wouldn't have to figure anything out.

"your comment implies you know i'm town" does sound like she's saying it's a scumslip?

Why does it sound like this is coming from town?

[GeorgeBailey]

So here's what I'm thinking:
1) It's not safe to massclaim our PTs

Why not? If what you say is true, then wouldn't scum already know what PT's we're all in, if everyone is supposed to post in them?

[GeorgeBailey]

Has anyone in this game played with Morning Tweet before?

Yeah I played with MT before. She's playing pretty similar to how she played in Permanant Marker ( https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=82497 ), and I think that's a towntell (I'm meta-reading GuiltyLion the same way, but from a recent newbie game where he was scum).

Like, your example 174 is very common for MT. She seems very jokey, and her tone doesn't seem far off.

[GeorgeBailey]

To follow up on the GuiltyLion read, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82570

I had to replace out of a Newbie game because IRL shit, but I was still following the thread. His ISO ( https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=26515 ) Is

very

different from how he's playing right now.

I've played maybe, 4 games with him? He always follows up my pushes with questions like 105

But in that newbie game, he always seemed super Laissez-faire and almost glided through the game.

[GeorgeBailey]

Sorry for the awful inactivity, should have called a V/LA for yesterday.

For now, I think a good wagon is

VOTE: Vecna

I think his push on Drixx is opportunistic in nature. Like:

It seemed like a clear joke to me, yet you ignored the joke aspect and thought it was scummy because he was copying someone.

If you missed the part that it was a joke, thats fine, just admit that shit and dont blow this crap up like its something big.

Yeah, that's what happened. Why is this more likely to come from Scum than Town? That's also not the only reason Drixx was pushing BM, so why is that one of the only things you're bringing up?

(I'm also townreading most of the people on the current Vecna wagon, so it's the most trustworthy to me)

[GeorgeBailey]

Vecna i'm still trying to catch up, I haven't vanished.

Yes, I saw his reaction. But I still think your push on him is off. It seems like you're making his comment on the readslist more substantial to his read than it is. I don't think it comes from a town mindset.

[GeorgeBailey]

Digging Vault Dweller's posts

What do you like so far about Vault's posts? So far the only slightly town posts i'm seeing was the push on Drixx.

[GeorgeBailey]

Im pushing him because he lied and lashed out really explosively for being pointed as as being wrong darling.

Vecna, why do you think Scum would act this way?

[GeorgeBailey]

Well I went back over your first argument drixx, and I see where youre coming from.

I must admit I did a very surface level pass on Momo's post and ill agree with you the contents are actually laughable, especially since the "like" referenced was in a roleplaying post (and my comment stating liking Momo for town based on that post was crap). oops

To add some more thoughts; I dont know if scum actually do come up with a line of attack like that or if its just town trying to be a smartass and copy some out there theory they saw before that makes no sense.

Whether that makes battle mage scum for sheeping and voting on tweet straight away? Could be, but im not very convinced that is the case, since clearly I also just flew right over that post.

I should probably go and form my own opinion on this shit

Ok, I think the current way Vecna is defending himself seems Townie. Scum wouldn't really admit their mistake here, and would more likely die on their hill.

I think Pine is probably the most I want to see pushed right now. I don't think I trust the members on the IDany wagon, and I don't think Elsa is honestly that scummy.

VOTE: Pine

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: BBMolla

I like this a lot better than the dave wagon tbh, same with Pine.

I don't really like his ABR and Idany push. I think they both seem really opportunistic.

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: Hectic
Not a bad wagon.

VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: Hectic

Pedit: flash lynch? We're only at 3-4. No danger yet.

Hectic is a bad wagon because of votes like these. No reasoning behind them, other than it's a good wagon.

[GeorgeBailey]

I think there's definitely a lot of town on hectic but im not impressed by the "reasoning", if you can call it that. forgive me if i missed where it is, i checked ABR, A50, and like someone else's isos to try n find it

I think Albert's getting at the fact that Hectic is trying to stay active and seem LAMIST? Albert keeps saying it should be obvious to anyone Town and has tunneled since.

I'm not buying the a50 suspicion for one second LOL

You disagreed with me in post 969 about something I said in post 329. I'm over it, Hectic... LOL

Although this vote was kinda scummy

VOTE: Albert

I want to hear the case, Albert.

[GeorgeBailey]

BM is your push on Momo mostly meta? You're saying he's acting more passive than he is as town, right?

Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller.

Is there a specific post you think he really reveals how scummy he is?

[GeorgeBailey]

@MT Why is BB so high up on your town reads?

Also, I do agree. It's pretty obvious that the Hectic wagon was the counter wagon.

Hectic (8) - momo, Albert B. Rampage, davesaz, Almost50, iDanyboy, Elsa Jay, xtoxm, Blake Belladonna

Out of all of these, I think iDany's looks the worse.

VOTE: iDany

[GeorgeBailey]

Sorry for the non-existent D2. I'm catching up, and I want to lynch Idany, because I still think he's still a good lynch today.

Lynched:

momo

momo (11) - Hectic, farside22, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, Albert B. Rampage, Elsa Jay, Blake Belladonna, Almost50, Battle Mage, xtoxm, BBmolla

To re-iterate my TR:

The first three votes on here is pretty much my town-core (obviously excluding the dead people). I feel like the wagon-starters are the most likely to be town on wagons that flip scum.

xtoxm

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xtoxm (9) - Battle Mage, farside22, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, BBmolla, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, pisskop, Albert B. Rampage

This wagon is interesting. There's obviously a bunch of scum on here, but I townread most of the people on the wagon (dead towns are a given), by PoE, scum would be: Pisskop, Gamma, and BB.

Of the three, I think this was a sus vote due to lack of progression:

Agreed btw

VOTE: Xtotm

Besides that, I still think idany has a better chance of flipping scum.

VOTE: Idanyboy

iDanyboy (4) - Battle Mage, momo, BBmolla, Albert B. Rampage

This is probably the only thing psyching me out right now. This is might be distancing though. Momo and Idany both switched to the Hectic wagon when it got hot, so I can see the partnering.

ABR and BM have very similar posting styles so I realy don't get this hate. BM is playing the same as he did in day 1 and he loved him there.

VOTE: ABR

This vote is also kinda awful. Barely commenting on ABR, and framing it like the choice is between BM and ABR. They can be both Town. Which is what I think.

Right now, I don't see BM or ABR flipping scum. BM was actively spearheading the momo lynch, and ABR voted at a time when the wagon was still small. I don't see scum bussing early when there's a possibility of other wagons. I think that if ABR was scum, he would have joined the Elsa wagon when it was large. He was also didn't want Elsa to be lynched that day.

Also, this is a weaker meta read, but before this game I actually sorta knew about ABR from the wiki. I read up on this one guide he made (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=12552) which helped immensely in a game I recently played (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82497). He seems to be playing a lot like how he talked about in the guide, which he describes as starting pro-town discussions.

[GeorgeBailey]

Also, this is a weaker meta read, but before this game I actually sorta knew about ABR from the wiki. I read up on this one guide he made (viewtopic.php?t=12552) which helped immensely in a game I recently played (viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82497). He seems to be playing a lot like how he talked about in the guide, which he describes as starting pro-town discussions.

God damnit that was the wrong guide. This is the one that helped me out (although the other one was helpful too):

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=7958

[GeorgeBailey]

We can't both be town. I am town. ABR must be scum. There is 2 scum in my hood. Voting Danyboy today is unforgivable.

Why? You literally just said:

Well if my reads are right, Danyboy and ABR are just bussing each other in panic right now.

I think idany has been acting scummier than ABR. and Idany is also in my hood. So I think this is a much better shot at scum.

Do you think ABR would write a guide on how to play as town, and then play completely differently as scum?

Yes? I haven't even seen him brought it up, so it's not like he's trying to WIFOM with it.

And can I just check, does his little outburst today feature in that guide at all? I'm sure I'll be forgiven for not reading it.

Do you think outbursts are AI? From my experience they really aren't. Both scum and Town can blow up over certain things.

[GeorgeBailey]

Alright, So idany claims cop, and i'm seeing a chain reaction of unvoting.

Why does this townclear him exactly? Wouldn't Scum know who all the scum are? He could clear anyone and get away with it. And Momo obviously had the capacity to fakeclaim a PR, why is Idany different?

And i'm glad we all agree MT is locktown lmao.

[GeorgeBailey]

I definitely gave GeorgeBailey wayyy too much slack for his early posting, that's a new level I've seen from him as scum

I put a lot of effort into that pocket lmao.

Great game!