Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hello there.
VOTE: Albert
I’ll go ahead and Sheep this wagon.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Votecount 3.5

davesaz (5) - Bingle, GuiltyLion, Eddie Cane, Morning Tweet, Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage (2) - pisskop, VaultDweller
GuiltyLion (2) - Ircher, Battle Mage
Bingle (1) - Firebringer
Firebringer (1) - Vecna
Morning Tweet (1) - BBmolla

Not voting (2) - davesaz, Drixx

(expired on 2020-05-16 19:49:00) remain until day end

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a majority.

"Face your fears."

Interesting that the davesaz wagon collapsed...

Was there a claim he made?
Or did he or someone else change to a new wagon?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well I think if Dave is scum at least 1 Person on the Bingle Wagon is scum and Bingle is spewed Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So the correct choice IMO is to lynch Dave.
Because of what has occurred, this game is practically solved if Dave flips Scum.

VOTE: Dave

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If Dave is Town there is 1 to 2 scum within Ircher, Albert and Bingle.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Strategically we can win this game via associations alone.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think the way Bingle is playing makes him not with Dave or Drixx, not theatery.

Dave gives us more information.
If Dave flips Town then we vote Bingle.
Simple.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think the way Bingle is playing makes him not with Dave or Drixx, not theatery.

Dave gives us more information.
If Dave flips Town then we vote Bingle.
Simple.

Flipping scum gives us more information.

Dave Flipping Scum gives us hella information.
If Bingle flips Town we accomplish nothing.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Guys there’s 4 Mafia left so Mafia can easily be leading the game.
Therefore we vote Dave.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Actually wait

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Assuming mafia is in neither Dave nor Bingle then scum is probably desperately trying to control for a mislynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I actually think that the better approach here is to go for the one trying to control the wagons.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wow would you look at that it’s you.

VOTE: Eddie

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I think the way Bingle is playing makes him not with Dave or Drixx, not theatery.

Dave gives us more information.
If Dave flips Town then we vote Bingle.
Simple.

Flipping scum gives us more information.

Dave Flipping Scum gives us hella information.
If Bingle flips Town we accomplish nothing.

i hella need you to explain this

I felt like Dave being Town makes Bingle Scum
Bingle being Town doesn’t make Dave Scum.
However that isn’t directly the case.
While sure Dave Town (-) Bingle Scum 75%
Bingle Town (-) Dave Scum 45%
It’s actually just more probable scum are controlling wagons and haven’t been a top wagon.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The team should be something like:
Eddie, Albert, Morning Tweet, Battle Mage

With BBMolla and FireBringer leftover as possibilities.

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I felt like Dave being Town makes Bingle Scum

Dave Town -> Bingle scum

Bingle being Town doesn’t make Dave Scum.

Bingle town -> Dave town or scum

I explained myself there and corrected it.
Pointing it out like that isn’t Town indicative.
As you aren’t even questioning my vote on you.
It’s like you seem to only care to small details to prove a point to something that isn’t there.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

eddie was blake right?

He was GB.

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And is it really that difficult to take a look at page 1?

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It’s like you seem to only care to small details to prove a point to something that isn’t there.

I care to prove that your posting is nonsense. Dave is not "higher info" than Bingle, which is your entire case. If that's a small detail, sure. Not that info lynching on day 3 isn't nonsense to begin with.

As you aren’t even questioning my vote on you.

I think you're a pretty annoying player, you clearly haven't read any of the game so your opinion/reads don't matter to me, and with 2 days to deadline your slot is too widely town read to get lynched today so sorting your alignment doesn't really matter. Why waste thread space?

While it might be true You don’t seem to be too concerned upon me voting you.
What happens if others started sheeping me?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like, who is GB? I dont dont remember a GB playing.

GeorgeBailey

fuck gb, tbh.

And at a glance, eddie hasnt been a pillar of town either.

Eddie was also on both Dave AND Bingle.
So with the chance both Dave and Bingle are Town, Eddie is Scum.
Although Morning also did the same as Eddie so I guess Morning/Eddie would have 1-2 Scum in that sense.

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Like, who is GB? I dont dont remember a GB playing.

GeorgeBailey

fuck gb, tbh.

And at a glance, eddie hasnt been a pillar of town either.

Yes, I wish I could be as townie as random useless popins every 48 hours.

I’m confused by your post here.
Are you attempting to shade Pisskop?
Because that’s what I think your trying to do.
If your ISO is just filled with shade like this your slot can go bye bye.
And when you Shade like that you clearly don’t believe random pop ins are Townie so you must not Town read anyone who’s doing that.
So let me ask you this, what makes someone Townie for you?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like what do you consider a Townie motivation.

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Then after you answer that explain to all of us here why you didn’t bring that up as a response and instead decided to bring up Shade.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

momo (11) - Hectic, farside22, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, Albert B. Rampage, Elsa Jay, Blake Belladonna, Almost50, Battle Mage, xtoxm, BBmolla
Drixx (2) - VaultDweller, Pine
Battle Mage (1) - Vecna
Hectic (1) - iDanyboy
BBmolla (1) - GeorgeBailey
Vecna (1) - Drixx
Pine (1) - Pisskop
Albert B. Rampage (1) - momo
Elsa Jay (1) - Gamma Emerald

Not voting (1) - davesaz

This was the final vote count for the only scum lynch.

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Votecount 2.3

xtoxm (9) - Battle Mage, farside22, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, BBmolla, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, pisskop, Albert B. Rampage
iDanyboy (2) - GeorgeBailey, VaultDweller
Gamma Emerald (2) - Vecna, Blake Belladonna

Not voting (4) - davesaz, xtoxm, iDanyboy, Drixx

(expired on 2020-05-13 19:53:00) remain until day end

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a majority.

Drixx is V/LA through Friday, May 1.
VaultDweller is V/LA through Monday, May 4.

"I am going to give you a hint as to where I've hidden the key. So listen carefully, the hint is this: it's right before your eyes."

Now here’s the mislynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Lookin at the vote count I don’t like GE’s slot.
Let me take a look who replaced them.

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Ok that Ircher.
Hmm.

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I think its highly likely that scum can just 'avoid' the negatives of a trap'. which is what MT did.

Eddie avoided the Trap so yeah that statement is accurate.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s more like I set you up for a trap to test your actual alignment but you avoided it.

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If you scum read VD I’d like to know your case on that slot.

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So I can see if your misguided Town or Opportunistic Scum.

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Also I’m kinda disappointed in my slot for hard claiming Informed Town. (VD - Town)
They could have legit baited scum and have some caught scum or managed to get into F3 with VD making the Mafia Obvious.

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Least that’s what I would have done anyway.
I like catching scum at their own game.

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That strategy actually makes a lot of sense cause VD would never get nightkilled

Vecna-TSE and Vault make it to LYLO, a bunch of people push Vault, Vecna reveals Vault is an IC. it's not a perfect plan but it does seem like the strength of the role is meant for that.

of course people would need to townread vecna-TSE though

if Vault is confirmed town, him surviving to LyLo is beneficial. But the idea you can trap scum by looking at people who push VD is inconceivable when every townie has perfectly good grounds to do so. Just my 2 cents!

MT - are you working under a post restriction this game?

Ah but there’s a difference between Misguided Town and Scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

That strategy actually makes a lot of sense cause VD would never get nightkilled

Vecna-TSE and Vault make it to LYLO, a bunch of people push Vault, Vecna reveals Vault is an IC. it's not a perfect plan but it does seem like the strength of the role is meant for that.

of course people would need to townread vecna-TSE though

if Vault is confirmed town, him surviving to LyLo is beneficial. But the idea you can trap scum by looking at people who push VD is inconceivable when every townie has perfectly good grounds to do so. Just my 2 cents!

MT - are you working under a post restriction this game?

Ah but there’s a difference between Misguided Town and Scum.

Yes but you haven't given a sense of how you would distinguish between the two. On the evidence of you simply asking me, without too much thought, whether I'm misguided town or scum (Spoiler: I'm neither), I can't say I'm overwhelmingly impressed with your methods.

I could care less if your impressed or not.
If you really want to see me distinguish the two give me your entire case on VT and let me interact with you on it.
But instead, you would rather be like “oh look TSE isn’t ready the thread! Bad! Read it and find out for yourself!”
Which doesn’t really look like you actually care anyways.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VD*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hey look, seems I've been busy. I got another son!

Hi TSE, I'll probably be sheeping your vote today. I'm becoming more lost as the day goes on.

That’s fine.
RN I’m between Eddie and Battle Mage.
Ain’t liking either.
My vote will probably be on Eddie but it depends on Battle Mage’s responses.

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I’ll be Honest, I think I know what Battle Mage is doing here if he’s scum.
He’s trying to get rid of the Informed Townie because it’s practically a mason.
In doing such he plans to use the excuse “your lynch proves VD Town” which was shown previously
Then after that he Night kills VD getting rid of a threat to the mafia.
And TBH they shouldn’t have to need someone’s flip to tell them who’s Town.
If They are Misguided Town I’ll help them figure out why they miss read VD.
Simple.

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What’s the case on Drixx?

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I’ll be Honest, I think I know what Battle Mage is doing here if he’s scum.
He’s trying to get rid of the Informed Townie because it’s practically a mason.
In doing such he plans to use the excuse “your lynch proves VD Town” which was shown previously
Then after that he Night kills VD getting rid of a threat to the mafia.
And TBH they shouldn’t have to need someone’s flip to tell them who’s Town.
If They are Misguided Town I’ll help them figure out why they miss read VD.
Simple.

This is weak OMGUS. My reads this game have been pretty solid, so arguing I'm "misguided town" is demonstrably untrue. And your argument for me being scum, needing to lynch you to kill a potential conf-town, is ridiculous, when scum seem to be killing multiple people each night, and you are nowhere near confirmed town. Portraying yourself as a mason is inaccurate, and suspicious. Clearly I don't care about your defence of VD because:

A. you haven't even read the game, and your 'reads' so far suck.
B. you have claimed he is conf-town, so you are completely biased regardless of alignment.
C. I think you're scum

This isn’t OMGUS, I didn’t vote you.
Misguided Town means Town pushing Town.
And that wasn’t my argument for you being scum that was just me stating that if you are scum that is your motivation behind it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hey look, seems I've been busy. I got another son!

Hi TSE, I'll probably be sheeping your vote today. I'm becoming more lost as the day goes on.

That’s fine.
RN I’m between Eddie and Battle Mage.
Ain’t liking either.
My vote will probably be on Eddie but it depends on Battle Mage’s responses.

I'd love to see you waste your vote on me - bring it!

Define “waste your vote”.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’ll be Honest

, I think I know what Battle Mage is doing here if he’s scum.
He’s trying to get rid of the Informed Townie because it’s practically a mason.
In doing such he plans to use the excuse “your lynch proves VD Town” which was shown previously
Then after that he Night kills VD getting rid of a threat to the mafia.
And TBH they shouldn’t have to need someone’s flip to tell them who’s Town.
If They are Misguided Town I’ll help them figure out why they miss read VD.
Simple.

On a serious note, and I hate to labour the point - the "I'll be honest" slip above, is the exact sorta shit we lynched Momo-scum for.

That’s how I speak sometimes when I start a sentence.
Shall I lynch you for how you speak?
Didn’t think so.

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You also never lynch someone for a non alignment indicative post.
EVER.

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Well the only exception to this is if there is no one left in the game that’s wolfy and you need a lynch so at that point you got to choose the least Villagery poster and I suppose doing that is still not really lynching someone for non alignment indicative posts so my point still stands.

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At this rate, we're gonna No Lynch...

Vote Drixx. We can chase the big fish later like Eddie Cane.

I'm good with this.

Seriously?

This makes me want to believe that Icher/Eddie - W/W is a thing but I’m unsure as of yet.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

At this rate, we're gonna No Lynch...

I just figured we were going to chucklefuck around and then eventually lynch me because it's actually an objectively solid lynch from every town PoV except mine.

All of the wagons outside of my hood are pretty garbagey.

Then Pick one of Eddie/Battle Mage/Icher/Firebringer and I’ll Sheep you.
There’s definitely at minimum 1 Scum in there.

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I hate to join a wagon infested with scum, but Pisskop is worth wagonning to a claim at the very least.

Let's get that claim, and then make a sensible decision about whether to lynch or not...please?

VOTE: Pisskop

Yeah the PK wagon went way too fast and isn’t pure one bit and the fact he admitted that he’s aware of this has me very concerned and hopefully things start changing soon.

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momo (11) -

Hectic, farside22

, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, Albert B. Rampage,

Elsa Jay

, Blake Belladonna,

Almost50

, Battle Mage,

xtoxm

, BBmolla

I probably should have spent more time on this but IMO this makes it very likely there's scum in {Fire, BM, Molla} and those are the lynches I'll compromise on if not Bingle

/Vote Firebringer

Join me.

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Oops.

VOTE: Firebringer

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VOTE: bbmolla

Fine I don't care if we lynch bbmolla at this point.

Lets go people activate yourselves.

What is your read on Firebringer?

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VOTE: bbmolla

bbmolla is town i think

strange vote fire

i am scumsiding ftw!

Yeah Definitely at least 1 scum in here.
The tone of this interaction is off.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If Ircher is Scum I’ll just be going for his trap.
If he’s Town then this will be beneficial.

VOTE: Drixx