Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Blake Belladonna

pew pew

[Albert B. Rampage]

The ramblings of a madman. Leave it in the dirt.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hello.

VOTE: farside

Welcome back.

Hi! Always nice to feel missed.
VOTE: Abr are you stalking me?

its serendipity

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not lynching farside or a50 today no matter what. I want to see what happens with them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hectic is Dr Fire Mario now. That sounds like it's gonna be in the Mario Kart Gacha game soon.

In other news, I decided 7 is a lucky number, and the person 7 spots below me is a guy named Drixx. So imma start there.

VOTE: Drixx

Did you read all 6 pages and decided to RVS or is this a placeholder while you catch up?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Considering the post before that is my introduction, it is indeed my RVS. Serious Mode will be put on soon.

Write out your detailed thoughts no later than tomorrow night, as you've unfortunately already drawn my attention.

Elaborate? For most it'd be the other way around.

I'm confident I can have a better read on them the longer the game goes on, so I won't even entertain lynching them day 1 at all.

Rampage can be my friend this game

VOTE: Vecna

Why?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hello all you lovely people. So I'm in a hood, and our dear mod declined to give us a roster of who is in there.

I find it unusual that nobody has commented on this post.

I'm in a daychat PT too. There are at least 3 other players in it.

There are 21 players total, 16 town and 5 same-side scum.

Let's make some assumptions.

There are two neighborhoods or more, each with at least 4 players.

Nobody picked up on Drixx's post, because they don't want to out themselves as in his Private Topic or in a PT at all. If people weren't in a hood, they would be more interested in Drixx who claimed he was in one. Nothing in the setup said anything about PTs, except that daychat is active for all of them. So we have to assume everyone is in one.

Now what bothers me is the player count. Why 21 players and not 20? With 20 players, you can have 4-player or 5-player PTs with an even distribution.

21 can only be divided by 7. So are there 3 PTs, with 7 players each? If so, in my PT, 3 players have stayed on the sidelines so far, with 4 including myself announcing our presence, and in another PT, we know of Drixx.

What are possible distributions of scum in the PTs in 3 7-player PTs? 2-2-1, 2-3-0, or 5-0-0. The first one is the most likely (60%), the second one unlikely (30%), and the third option highly improbable (10%).

Therefore, if my assumption is correct that we're all in a PT, and that we all have scum in our PT, it's not safe to post our insights in the PTs as scum have daytalk and can share information, keeping the town out of the loop on content and slowing down scumhunting.

There's another possibility, however:

There could be a masons.

In this case, 21 players could break down like this:
3 masons in their hood
18 players remaining, 3 hoods with 6 players each

So here's what I'm thinking:
1) It's not safe to massclaim our PTs
2) It's safe for someone to claim not to be in a PT, although they might be lying about it and we don't have the means to verify.
3) If you're in a PT, you should announce your presence to the PT participants. Otherwise, you are damaging town cohesion and would therefore most likely be scum.
4) As the game progresses, if we clean out 2 scum from a single PT, it's probable that the remaining are town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why would you assume the 3 in your hood are masons? I'm assuming you haven't been told the alignments of your fellow characters in that hood. Why can't it just be a smaller neighbourhood of 3?

Right. Evenly distributed hoods are the underlying assumption. I said it's possible there's a separate mason team that isn't a part of any hoods. We don't know many players are in our hoods.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I was a mod and I wanted masons in this setup, I would put one mason in each PT and give the mason team a separate mason PT.

If there were scum in every PT, scum would have total knowledge of who is in each PT by the time everyone posts in their PT, so it's unlikely massclaiming PTs could help scum deduce PRs.

How do we stand watch against scum sabotage and incentivize pro-town behavior when there's so much going on behind the scenes?

For now, let's announce our presence in our respective hoods. I can't see a setup that would reward a player abstaining from posting and lurk their PT.

A future hood massclaim is inevitable, after we see some flips.

For now, I would be happy if a representative from each PT were to report back to the game thread if there's any game content being posted in a PT, as we have to assume the scum are watching.

Drixx and I can naturally be the ambassadors of our respective PT and keep you all in the loop if anyone tries something suspicious.

Remember, scum can coordinate both in our PTs and with each other during the day, so they can organize lynches if we let them get away with non-public information.

If you're in a hood outside of the one Drixx and I are in, you should privately vote for your own ambassador.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In that case, it would make sense to at least establish the number of PTs we have, right?

Yes, I agree.

If you're in a hood outside of the one Drixx and I are in, you should privately vote for your ambassador now, before it is decided

for you

.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The problem with 3 and 4 is there is no way to know who has access the the PT when the mod doesn't list who is part of the PT.

It's in their own interest to come forward with an ambassador.

The ambassador will:

1) Protect their identity until the masslcaim, which we should collectively decide on after we start seeing flips.
2) Relay information from the PT to the game thread. The mod might initiate "events" in the PTs which is of general town concern, or a player may request information be conveyed on their behalf.
3) Act as a deterrent against politicking behind the scenes, and as a good judge of what content in the PT may be of interest to the town.

If they don't privately vote soon, a player in their PT may self out themselves like Drixx and I did, forcing their hand, and tilt us in the direction of a PT massclaim before we collectively vote on initiating it through democracy.

I also believe this will help kickstart Day 1 with quality content and player-driven decisions rather than the usual pleasantries we exchange on Day 1. We can start substantive cases and bandwagons from there, something scum will do anything to avoid.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@abr: not sure if you missed what my issue was. If there is no way to know who has access to the neighborhood, how do you know if every player posted is in the pt or not.

If you don't announce your presence in the hood, you are playing anti-town, so if there's a role that finds out a player has private chat and they aren't in any known hoods, we should lynch them.

If people weren't in a hood, they would be more interested in Drixx who claimed he was in one.

TBH, I almost commented on it, and now that you mention another hood I am even more intrigued because I am not in either (nor am I in any other hood/PT). But you know what the problem is? The problem is I have stayed "hidden" while I was in a hood at least 3 times before (once as scum and twice as town), so I don't think anyone would believe me here (and especially the one pictured below, as he was in two of these 3 games).



In short, I hereby claim that I am in no hoods/PTs. Take it as you will.

We are told there are 3 hoods:

1) Mine
2) Drixx's
3) Morning Tweet's

3 have claimed not to be in a hood: A50, BBmolla, Xtoxm.

at this stage we may as well just claim who is in what hood. can designated hood champions please list the people they think are in their hoods and someone can keep a tally.

Vetoed.

Drixx is right here, BM.

at this stage we may as well just claim who is in what hood. can designated hood champions please list the people they think are in their hoods and someone can keep a tally.

Vetoed.

I agree. Hood champions please list the NUMBER OF PEOPLE in your hood. This way, we can have informed discussion about the number of scum in each hood.

I agree. No one else has announced their presence in my hood so we are 4 in mine.

also some uncools tho

Who are the uncools?

@BBmolla: I already started scumhunting before the setup spec, and I'm narrating my deductions in real time. I've so far correctly deduced that there was a third PT outside of mine and Drixx's. That's because I'm paying attention to the game. There are others who haven't made a single post yet.

@Mod: Pine and Vault Dweller haven't posted yet.

Solid townreads: Drixx, Morning Tweet
Townreads: BM, Hectic, momo
People I don't want to lynch Day 1: Farside, A50
Scumreads: Guilty Lion, Vecna, Xtoxm, BBmolla

VOTE: Guilty Lion

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Guilty Lion

Nice post overall (glad to see someone agrees with my logic about needing to know the number of people in each hood) but why vote GL? You didn't say.

His reads seem phoned in. Why is GeorgeBailey a solid D1 townread? It doesn't make sense.

I am feeling Battle Mage, GeorgeBailey, pisskop, momo, BBMolla as some solid D1 townreads.

It has not been 48 hours since game start so I am not prodding anyone yet.
VaultDweller has made one post.

We are 46 hours in, and:

I will not accept prod dodges.

I'm here. Will start playing on Monday

Does this count as a prod dodge?

I'd like to see what he has to say tomorrow when he comes back. I need a full picture to develop a functioning theory.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you're a townie, you see Drixx open up about not knowing the player list in his PT on page 1, and you're not in any hood yourself and not curious at all about his post to comment on it...I find that suspicious.

Scumreads: Guilty Lion, Vecna, Xtoxm, BBmolla

3 have claimed not to be in a hood: A50, BBmolla, Xtoxm,

Guilty Lion

.

For sure there's scum outside the PTs. Probably 1 scum in each PT and 2 outside of it if there are 3 PTs. Statistically, our best bet is to lynch inside [A50, BBmolla, Xtoxm, Guilty Lion] today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're overanalyzing, Albert B. Rampage.

The name of the game is analysis, I'm just doing it well, and I'm consistent.

2) It's safe for someone to claim not to be in a PT, although they might be lying about it and we don't have the means to verify.
3) If you're in a PT, you should announce your presence to the PT participants. Otherwise, you are damaging town cohesion and would therefore most likely be scum.

1) If you have 3 PTs, the odds are that you have 1 scum in each and 2 off of it.
2) People who claim not to be in a PT can lie with no repercussions as there's no guarantee of any PT investigative in this game.
3) People who hide from their PT are scummy.

@abr: why is xtoxm a scum read? I only agree with you verna scum read.

I've made my decision. I will lynch one of [BBmolla, Xtoxm, Guilty Lion] today. This is our highest chance of success.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm like 99.9% of the way to swapping my vote to Vecna at this point.

You should. BM is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How many players are in your PT?

[Albert B. Rampage]

And MT?

[Albert B. Rampage]

GuiltyLion and davesaz could very well be bussing each other. In any case, we should concentrate our votes. Bring me a chair and rope.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What about Guilty, Gamma?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What about Guilty, Gamma?

It's not much but his scumread on me seems off, like he seems like he's not engaging enough for how he's treating me

I could be enticed to vote him but for now I'm good to stay where I am.

Dude just vote with me for Guilty. BM is town and it's not going to happen.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's a good first step. Let's pile on the votes guys, we don't have all day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

Your reads are bad ABR

Drixx is town

Yeah, I've been telling you Drixx is town. Evidently you like some of my reads.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scumreads: Guilty Lion, Vecna, Xtoxm, BBmolla

Huh? How come Xtoxm & BBmolla are in scumreads when they have claimed no to be in any hoods? I mean, wouldn't they get caught if there is a Traffic Analyst/PT Cop?

I don't rely on PRs and BBmolla is only a slight scumread, his latest posts are good.

A50 and Morning Tweet, it's about time you choose a main wagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I guess I missed GL's claim he was in no hoods. However, my point still stands. Scum do have a PT of the own, thus can communicate privately. A Traffic analyst would get the liar(s) is any. Nit lynching anyone who claims not to be in a PT today.

Whoa this puts you directly at odds with me.

I will need to take you off my no lynch list Day 1 if you go down this path.

Are you sure?

[Albert B. Rampage]

A50 and Morning Tweet, it's about time you choose a main wagon.

y

Because BM is town and you and Drixx are the only ones voting him, because he placed a vote on you before. It's a trivial early game vote, it doesn't mean anything.

Who would you lynch between A50, dave and GL?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's a good first step. Let's pile on the votes guys, we don't have all day.

Except we do.

That's the joke.

5 have claimed no PT, you're missing pisskop.

In any case it's anti-town to not be voting. The vote is the only thing keeping town from being picked off by scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

5 have claimed no PT, you're missing pisskop.

OK, so 2 within momo/EJ/Gamma/VD/Vecna/Blake.

@Vecna: Since you are here, are you in a hood? Hust a yes or no will suffice. Thank you.
@Gamma/Elsa: you too since you're both kind of on and off all the time. Just a declaration that you are indeed in a hood or are not is all I ask.

Why is this important to you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

A50 how do you feel about Vecna now that he claimed not to be in a PT?

[Albert B. Rampage]

@a50 Vault and Pine haven't even posted yet. You're in my lynch list because you're acting antitown.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nope, that's Vecna making life hard for everyone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't quote long wallposts like 433...

[Albert B. Rampage]

@a50 Vault and Pine haven't even posted yet. You're in my lynch list because you're acting antitown.

Try ISOing them. You won't even have to. You will find their names on the list though, which proves they each have posted at least once.

They haven't posted any content, meaning they might not even have had time to post in a PT or catch up.

It would be helpful if everyone provided a list of players in their lynchpool so we can get some bandwagons underway.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Point taken, that still leaves Vault.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Drixx, BM, momo, Morning Tweet and Pisskop are all town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You should put your vote where your mouth is MT.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why so many votes for me? I'm literally going out of my way to try and not be suspicious this time.

this is not something that someone going out of their way to not be suspicious would say

WIFOM

[Albert B. Rampage]

You should put your vote where your mouth is MT.

Vecna's in the bottom tier as a joke, sort of

I want to vote BM until someone explains their town read on him-- seriously there's like five people who townread BM but i dont think I've seen an explanation why

It's wasteful to hold on to your single BM vote when there are viable bandwagons and many players townread him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And what I'm trying to say is that your vote is going nowhere and the only way for us to get more evidence is from putting pressure on players. Something that you guys have utterly failed at because there's no vote consolidation. Is L-6 the best this town can do after 3 days? It's pathetic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

(/ω＼)

This is just OMGUS because BM sheeped momo's vote on you. It's bad.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You only have 5 votes on you why don't you relax and try to scumhunt. You're in no danger whatsoever.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you're honest about your reaction here, you're just being emotional instead of strategic and rational.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you're honest about your reaction here, you're just being emotional instead of strategic and rational.

Could you tell me why voting for Elsa is strategic and rational? I get what you're saying, but announcing to Elsa that I'm voting her for pressure doesnt seem like the most effective way of pressuing someone

I didn't say your Elsa vote was any better. They're both awful bandwagons.

Vecna, however? Yes, I encourage that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're really going to drop a terrible vote like that and leave for 4 days? That's your whole M.O.?

[Albert B. Rampage]

His voting record and justification is off.

[Albert B. Rampage]

[Battle Mage, Elsa, Vecna, Drixx] I can all see reasons to dislike. Dany is town, GuiltyLion a townlean. Felt bad when Elsa called me out for always distrusting him so yeah, happy to start a wagon on one of the other 3.

Drop me a vote on Vecna before you go and I will arrange a champion's feast to celebrate your return.

Albert likes to be mysterious about his reads. I can appreciate that.

or maybe that's just regarding BM-- i dont know!

pedit: It's the latter ah!!!

Your vote boils down to "he voted me so I'm voting him", it's worst than unsubstantial, it's detrimental to the town win condition. You can't even deny it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Splendid, I'll have the hand-crafted banderoles displaying welcome back Hectic on the mezzanine.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Digging Vault Dweller's posts

Do you still think Dany is the best lynch today? Would you be ready for him to be hammered if he were at L-1 now? How confident are you he will flip scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Digging Vault Dweller's posts

Do you still think Dany is the best lynch today? Would you be ready for him to be hammered if he were at L-1 now? How confident are you he will flip scum?

I'm not confident in anything this game

So you're saying that you know that Dany is scum?

Alright, you drive a hard bargain... you can have my vote.

VOTE: iDany

[Albert B. Rampage]

Rampage, could you clarify what you mean by Guilty's reads being "phoned in"?

I mean he made them up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Happy Birthday Pine, please post or replace out thanks!

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Pine

[Albert B. Rampage]

We will learn from the night flips

[Albert B. Rampage]

You think your PT is dead? The game thread is barely kicking. There are no bandwagons, no solid cases, no participation. I can tell Day 1 is going to not be lit. Let's lynch Vecna and be done with it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I mean Pine, not Vecna.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Technically, you have to count my reads with a 5x multiplier because I'm a town leader. The longer Pine dodges this game while posting anywhere but here the more sure I am he's scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I played a game with him recently where he did just that, he was lynched and turned out to be town.

Link?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Removed ongoing game reference.

You can't refer to ongoing games.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Albert B. Rampage]

Besides GuiltyLion, I don't find anyone SUPER SCUMMY right now. I have some townreads...and that's it. If we have to compromise and lynch a player we all feel neutral towards, like Pine, it's better than no lynch or dragging a day to the point everyone is bored and annoyed and wants to quit. So I'm voting GuiltyLion, if that doesn't work, I'm OK to vote out Pine if he doesn't do anything, because I legit don't know who has a high possibility of flipping scum here. Maybe Vecna?

@Vecna

Keep in mind I haven't played in 3+ years. I don't remember much about previous games.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think ABR pushing Vecna but never voting him is scummy and would like to know if anyone agrees or disagrees. Its the strongest read I have so would like to get some discussion on it.

You want to vote Vecna with me? Hmm?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey guys, fuck off of me. I don't really play D1, and it's a shitty reason to suspect them. This isn't 2012 where LAL is all the rage. I have a consistent track record of being godawful shit when I tryhard D1, and a much better track record when I skip it and wait for the initial dumbfuckery to die down. I can provide numerous examples of this meta if need be.

Because Cakez is insisting that I provide content instead of just proddodging through D1, I will skim the last 5-10 pages and find a decent vote to put down.

This town has no idea what it's doing. We are basically going to be lynching at random today. You are as good a lynch as anyone else and there's no body of work to refer back to in future days, so two birds one stone if we lynch you.

Do you understand Pine? WE ARE IN BIG FUCKING TROUBLE. WE HAVE NO LEADS. NO CASES. NO BANDWAGONS.

[Albert B. Rampage]

A50 and MT also posting elsewhere on site.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scummy as hell ^

[Albert B. Rampage]

These two posts don't go together.

You have to have a sense of humor about this game to get through it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Am I reading a completely different game as everybody else?

I'm seeing a lot of posts that I fundamentally disagree with and it makes me very wary about the Vecna and Battle Mage wagons. It would not surprise me to see multiple scum pushing those.

I think you mean to say the Drixx and BM bandwagons are shite.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think 567 wins over 564, no question.

Davesaz is also scum. 567 is not a good case.

I'm not convinced you actually read the two posts that I pointed to.
564 is Albert saying that Tweet's case is

only

an OMGUS.
Tweet's 567 totally refutes Albert by showing that a non-OMGUS case

exists

.

My post says nothing about whether it's a good case. Albert was wrong is what my post says.

Wrong. It still is pretty much "his reasons for voting me are bad therefore he's scum + here's a timeline of things he posted which I disagree with but have no evidence to point to that makes him scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is no case. The analysis is so thin it could inspires a crack whore to diet. OMGUS, pure and simple. Drixx and BM are town. I'd like to see bandwagons on other players.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No bandwagons = no info day 2 after flips.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The town can't decide WHO to wagon because there's no evidence, there's no evidence because there's no bandwagons. I'm willing to lynch others outside GL/Vecna. I'm not lynching BM/Drixx they are my top 2 town reads based on a vast amount of experience with them.

Who do you want to lynch besides those 2?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You want to vote George? There's 21 players, every town player needs to open up their lynch pool. It takes a minimum of cooperation and compromise to win the day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Most likely not in cahoots w/ jigsaw //
GeorgeBailey
iDanyboy
GuiltyLion
Almost50
Albert B. Rampage

Inclined to think they won’t kill me //
momo
Gamma Emerald
VaultDweller

Don’t know what to think (that's kind of a lie) //
Battle Mage
Hectic
Drixx
pisskop
Elsa Jay

i REALLY don’t know what to think. Like literally. there’s nothing written down //
Pine
davesaz
farside
BBmolla
xtoxm
Blake Belladonna

Definitely (maybe) going to kill all of us //
Vecna. regardless of alignment

WHO IS IN YOUR LYNCH POOL? NAME SIX PLAYERS YOU ARE READY TO LYNCH I GUARANTEE WE WILL FIND COMMON GROUND ON AT LEAST ONE

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xtom? A50? Blake? dave? You have your pick of the litter.

[Albert B. Rampage]

XTOM, DAVE, BB, HECTIC, or BLAKE

Anyone here except Hectic works for me, can you rank them for me please?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah, if you lead a dave bandwagon I will be on it, sure. Would love to get dave lynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think ABR pushing Vecna but never voting him is scummy and would like to know if anyone agrees or disagrees. Its the strongest read I have so would like to get some discussion on it.

I agree with this, ABR's vote on me has felt extremely 'sticky', like he decided on it early on and refuses to see or engage with any evidence of me being town. I would expect a town player to at least have some doubt regarding my alignment and spend some time more seriously pursuing other leads, especially if they're so bored/against the current game state

Yeah, if you lead a dave bandwagon I will be on it, sure. Would love to get dave lynched.

i'll consider doing that after BM posts more so i can get a better read on him

I think ABR pushing Vecna but never voting him is scummy and would like to know if anyone agrees or disagrees. Its the strongest read I have so would like to get some discussion on it.

I agree with this, ABR's vote on me has felt extremely 'sticky', like he decided on it early on and refuses to see or engage with any evidence of me being town. I would expect a town player to at least have some doubt regarding my alignment and spend some time more seriously pursuing other leads, especially if they're so bored/against the current game state

i inclined to think that this is just the way he plays as town or scum, but i haven't checked his meta or anything. it's a fair observation at least

Get in, we're lynching Dave.

VOTE: dave

[Albert B. Rampage]

XTOM, DAVE, BB, HECTIC, or BLAKE

Anyone here except Hectic works for me, can you rank them for me please?

in order where scummiest is at the top

dave
BB
Xtom
Blake

For dave it's not even that i disagree with the content of his posts, he just seems different this game

I'd be down for dave or Xtoxm on this list.
i would love to know more about your George town read. I just dont see anything that reads town.

Get in.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think 567 wins over 564, no question.

Davesaz is also scum. 567 is not a good case.

Get in.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't concur.

You still think GL is scummy? Enough to not help us build the first real bandwagon of the day?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is he or is he not one of your top scumreads?

[Albert B. Rampage]

We could always lynch him faster than he can singlehandedly plunge the game into a toxic state

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can already tell you won't listen to my warning.

Very well, I will watch from afar.

Well. We could also lynch you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cross my heart I swear the same farside, Morning Tweet, girl scout's honor?

[Albert B. Rampage]

in order where scummiest is at the top

dave
BB
Xtom
Blake

For dave it's not even that i disagree with the content of his posts, he just seems different this game

Then who would you lynch right now from MT's list?

[Albert B. Rampage]

See, THAT is the problem. You now say LYNCH when it started off with "building wagons". I am alright wagoning multiple people, but if I had a DayVig I'd most likely shoot between you and EJ as we stand.

So, are you building wagons to pressure people and get them to talk more, or are aiming to end the day?

I don't give a fuck about weak hands pulling their vote at L-2.

I am talking about a LYNCH.

I need WARRIORS with DIAMOND HANDS.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pine, a50 and Blake.

What's your 6 players you are willing to lynch?

[Albert B. Rampage]

As I've said, you can wipe your ass with your two scum reads, town should expand lynchpool to 6.

[Albert B. Rampage]

EJ is one of the two players scumreading Guilty with me. I won't attack them for that. Keeping to only two players you're willing to lynch is anti-town and scummy. Firstly, it absolves you of blame if it's a mislynch. Second, it stops town from creating bandwagons that force scum to put skin in the game to back up their talk. Third, it protects them from OMGUS from town who are upset they are being accused. There's nothing more upsetting than being falsely accused of something when you know you're innocent, and it's easy to create a bias against a player who is antagonistic to you but also town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Still find it weird someone like Dave can overestimate my abilities, but yeah. I just wanted to keep that in everyone's mind, particularly since all the "Jigsaws" never really worked together perfectly, so having them seperate with the same goal made sense to me.

In other news:

VOTE: GuiltyLion so we can get off the Almost wagon. He'll solve himself later.

EJ voted GL right here.

Furthermore, as a town leader, on the offchance A50 is a vig, I definitely want EJ alive tonight. So I'm never going to vote EJ today, ever. Whether I find EJ suspicious or not doesn't even matter.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The way I see it, forcing scum to expand their lynchpool makes town think twice about voting them, corners them into a fixed position, and creates material for future analysis.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why do you care about my answers if you already made up your mind that I'm scum? When I think someone is scum, I interact a lot less with them, and work on getting town consensus to vote them out. I wrote an article about it in the wiki a decade ago.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You want to confirm if he's a traitor so you can justify your Day 1 tunnel vision. Regardless, we should stop communicating with each other. Neither of us will change our minds.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Here's the list of players I will NOT lynch today: Pisskop, momo, drixx, BM, Hectic, MT, farside, EJ. I think today is a crapshoot as far lynching correctly because town is dysfunctional, and am mainly angling for Day 2 analysis. I need to get the building blocks of early, serious bandwagons that have a chance to tip over to a real lynch. Make of that what you will.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I didn't say scumreads.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lynching anyone is better than no lynch, so you're wrong.

RVS is terrible because it doesn't create any content, deadline lynches are bad because you're under time pressure and risk no lynch.

The best thing to do is to bandwagon. If there's zero risk in scum getting hammered, scum won't feel any pressure.

That's my philosophy of mafia.

[Albert B. Rampage]

scum to throw one or two buddies into the mix and then push four or five wagons

This is exactly what players are calling me scum for doing. That I'm calling Vecna scummy without pushing him. I don't view this as legitimate evidence because there's no risk of ANYONE being lynched atm. If I was scum right now, I would just coast, keep my vote where it is, and be stubborn about changing my vote or expanding my list of suspects.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sigh.

I'm not saying don't wagon him. I'm saying to be careful about it. He has a history of reacting very poorly to pressure like this and I expect it to escalate with somebody like Albert B. Rampage at the helm.

I've fallen into that same trap multiple times in the past and it has yet to go in a positive direction for town.

Blake is such a towny motherfucker

Agreed btw

VOTE: Xtotm

I think ABR is town, I think Dave is town

What about your EJ vote? There's more votes there than Xtoxm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What is your thoughts on ABR's reason for town reading you?

I don't townread EJ.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Hectic

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not buying the a50 suspicion for one second LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

The gig is up, Hectic, we know you're scum now!

[Albert B. Rampage]

*pulls the curtain to reveal the sign*

WELCOME, SCUM!

The jig is up you got caught.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyway, in other news, Hectic is scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care what you think, Pine. The smart players can look at his posts and make up their mind.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am willing to make a deal with you all: Lynch EJ. If he isn't a Traitor you can lynch me tomorrow. Is that good enough for you?

no

[Albert B. Rampage]

You've gone from townreading me to mysteriously having a scumread as soon as I disliked some of your posts and started pushing Almo.

You disagreed with me in post 969 about something I said in post 329. I'm over it, Hectic... LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm 99% certain that Hectic is scum. This is our lynch today. I can see you guys are having a hard time pushing a bandwagon beyond 3 votes, so I'll try to reduce my activity for the final 7 days until we can consolidate around Hectic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Honestly though, reading back on Elsa's posts, I still scumread him for feeling weird and off-tone; I just don't like the reasons you're using to scumread him for.

so do you think both of them are scum together or what?

I'm trying to chew on this thought process here - my initial gut reaction was that it seemed plainly disingenuous to push A50 while saying "I also scumread your main scum read, but just for different reasons", but then the more I thought about it the more I'm thinking scum probably doesn't make this up because it's so on the surface inconsistent?

can I get crowd opinions on this one? I'm entirely unsure how I feel about it

Congratulations! You are off my scum list and can join my town block against Hectic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hectic's posts in the last 24 hours guarantee he is scum. His thought progression simply makes no sense unless he is scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Almo, is your Elsa read also based on meta? Has Elsa so blatantly crumbed like this before as scum?

WHY ARE YOU REPLYING 1 SECOND AFTER HIS POST BUT DID NOT SEE THE LINK TO THE OTHER GAME WHERE EJ CLAIMED TRAITOR

YOU ARE POSTING FOR POSTING'S SAKE

YOU ARE SCUM

[Albert B. Rampage]

How is it that the only one picking up on Hectic claiming scum is GL?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really HATE to explain myself unless we will lose if I don't. It's much better for me to give a few hints and then solve the rest of the game based on reactions. If in a few real life days nobody has figured out why Hectic is scum, I will write the case myself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Or we could always give him a pass and try to lynch his teammates to give scum a fighting chance, because they are royally screwed in this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey, Blake, can you give me an example of Dave reacting very poorly and creating a toxic gamestate while he was pushed as scum?

Almo, are 457 and 776, and 891 your reasons for wanting to lynch Elsa? A traitor crumb, foreshadowing that he's scum WHILE there's a wagon on him, and the fact his scumgame is stronger than his towngame?

.3.

Now that's one I haven't seen before. Some nice foreshadowing.

The Mass Spec Analytical has changed their minds on Vecna. He's pointed out things they found towny on more than one occasion.

Almost I'm starting to think your going out of your way to try and make the vigilante(s) waste a shot on me. Usually you've just left me alone day 1 and such because I'm "entertaining". I think your just trying to detract from the other potential wagons today.

This post doesn't really fill me with confidence regarding Elsa though. I mean, I agree that Almo is scummy, but the reasoning here is iffy.

VOTE: Almost50

[Albert B. Rampage]

This Hectic wagon is ass.

nobody cares about your claim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Votecount 1.10

Drixx (3) - Blake Belladonna, VaultDweller, Pine
Battle Mage (2) - iDanyboy, farside22
Hectic (2) - momo, Albert B. Rampage
davesaz (2) - GuiltyLion, Morning Tweet
BBmolla (2) - Vecna, GeorgeBailey
Elsa Jay (2) - Almost50, davesaz
iDanyboy (2) - Battle Mage, Elsa Jay
Vecna (1) - Drixx
GuiltyLion (1) - Gamma Emerald
Pine (1) - pisskop
farside22 (1) - xtoxm
xtoxm (1) - BBmolla
Almost50 (1) - Hectic

Not voting (0)

(expired on 2020-05-01 15:10:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

VaultDweller is V/LA through Tuesday, April 28.
Hectic is V/LA through Friday, April 24.

"Find the path through the razor-wire to the door. But hurry. At three o'clock that door will lock and then this room becomes your tomb. How much blood will you shed to stay alive, Paul?"

Dave and I voted Hectic since this VC. No other votes/unvotes were made.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Im not joining the hectic wagon

I know, farside. You are the other scum. I saw it coming.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm pretty sure this is a reaction test by ABR and if not I'm concerned lmao

No it's genuine. All my other reads are cleared.

Farside/Hectic is 2/5 the scumteam and I have 3 to go.

[Albert B. Rampage]

anyone have a gamma emerald read I can copy

Meh neutral

[Albert B. Rampage]

We aren't announcing the reasons because we want to see who is town enough to see what we saw. The case is there. Watch the red flag. We talked about it indirectly. Hectic is waving the red flag more fanatically than communists at a workers day parade with their lives on the line if they don't show enough enthusiasm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

and the more I think on it the more I think Hectic is town. I really don't think he'd be so sloppy as scum to take the angle he took with A50, disagreeing with his scumread over reasoning to scumread a mutual scumread. That feels too disorganized to me to be an artificial thought process.

This is what happens when you overanalyze and get scared off a real wagon.

MT, you finally have the numbers for a bandwagon on a player on your list and you run off and vote Xtoxm?

The players in this game are not ready for mafia.

We're playing at a high level here. If you read Hectic's posts over again and still don't see it, then after a few days, you will be taken by the hand, and explained to like a 5 year old. Sit tight. Until then, if you start to see what everyone else is seeing, you can join the lynch on scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

"Why else would we not know our hoodmates?"

This post of pisskop is entirely consistent with him not being in a hood. Pisskop is either lying consistently or is town.

You should look at Hectic AGAIN.

[Albert B. Rampage]

meh

VOTE: pine

Posts like this make pisskop look scummy. He needs to join the HECTIC WINWAGON.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Otherwise I may vote you for outright making stuff up.

THE FIRE RISES

[Albert B. Rampage]

"Why else would we not know our hoodmates?"

This post of pisskop is entirely consistent with him not being in a hood. Pisskop is either lying consistently or is town.

You should look at Hectic AGAIN.

I disagree re: Pisskop, Boss. Taken at face value, it is

not

entirely consistent with him not being in a hood. It explicitly implies he

is

in a hood. Definitely scummy.

I don't necessarily think you're wrong on Hectic, but he doesn't scream scum to me like say....Momo.

Why do you think it implies hes in a hood?

BM, vote Hectic. When he answers your query he will have added pressure, and more players will see the bigger cracks in his game. Join the winwagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sigh, I guess we'll find out. I'm actually gonna go back on Elsa for now. Want him to come back and wow us.

Battle Mage being really friendly is completely NAI nowadays btw. He just has that star quality about him now. Would be the protagonist if Gamma didn't exist.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I have no idea what you mean above. Please explain, preferably with reference to any games of mine you have been in, or read? Otherwise I may vote you for outright making stuff up.

It's on an alt. Can't say more

Oh man. You guys are being fooled by

this guy

? Really?

[Albert B. Rampage]

So far we know there are two hoods. If you also dont know who is in your hood than it sounds like scum could well be in them or watching them. Why else would we not know our hoodmates?

The full quote in context seems far more rhetorical to me. I don't see this as you say.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller

Tell me more

[Albert B. Rampage]

Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller

Tell me more

I asked you first for your view on him.

It depends. He should be easier to figure out tomorrow in any case.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where scum kills tonight will inform my opinion on momo. It's hard to say anything else when he's voting scum Hectic with me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Drixx what do you think? Momo or Hectic, which one?

[Albert B. Rampage]

So we're just going to ignore Hectic's meta on you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR wasn't there like, two people voting dave at that point? It wasn't going places like you make it out to have been. and you do like your reaction tests, cant i naked vote xtom if id like to?

I think you and GL are allergic to big wagons.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pisskop forget about BM. You want to be where the action's at, on the Hectic winlynch. BM is asking for your support today and he'll ask for your head tomorrow. Trust me instead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

*eats popcorn*
If given a choice between Mono or Hectic I'd lynch Mono. Can't we deal with Xtoxm today?

Sadly not - Unless we are united, Minister ABR will, in his divine wisdom, kill Hectic. This might not be such a bad thing, but it's clearly inferior to the Momo-lynch of my dreams.

Yeah, fuck off with your barely 2 vote lurker hunt farside. Pick a side.

[Albert B. Rampage]

iDanyboy (2) - Elsa Jay, GuiltyLion
Drixx (2) - VaultDweller, Pine
xtoxm (2) - BBmolla, Morning Tweet
Battle Mage (1) - Vecna
BBmolla (1) - GeorgeBailey
Vecna (1) - Drixx
GuiltyLion (1) - Gamma Emerald
Pine (1) - pisskop
farside22 (1) - xtoxm

Pretty much all of these players voting should pick a side now. We are close to deadline. I'll try to get my thoughts out on Hectic by Tuesday or Wednesday.

Added spacing for clarity on request

[Albert B. Rampage]

farside is scum guys

Doesn't matter, vote Hectic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where tf did xtoxm go?

[Albert B. Rampage]

BM do us all a favor and don't repost to get pagetop.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why are you lurking?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sigh, how many votes am I on? Don't hammer before I have a chance to claim.

[A TV Cable Repair Man giving into streaming services]

Given how close we are to deadline, it's time you consider your options.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can see a world where Momo is town and I can see a world where Hectic is scum but I'm feeling Momo over Hectic unless ABR has an especially compelling point on something I'm not seeing

Stay active, we will need you to finish off Hectic as the clock ticks to midnight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: momo

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good thing I left myself some wiggle room with that 1%.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's moot now. I think momo/vecna/blake makes sense.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thank you for your service in drawing the NK tonight, BM and I will clean this game up quickly after you die.

[Albert B. Rampage]

BM, Pine, momo and I are in a hood. We believe momo is the scum. I was going to run Hectic up to L-1 to see who was eager to save momo and then shift onto momo last minute for the day 1 lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If we lynch momo, I think our hood will be all town remaining, and we can safely plan our next moves with Hectic drawing the NK. I'm pleased with this given the false positive potential of his role, it could really hurt town to have the cop run into a godfather N1 and have him ride it out deep into the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hectic, I'm sorry for the stress and pressure I have caused you in the last week. It's part of the game, nothing personal, pure strategy at play.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Point is, there could be a lolhammer from town as well, and then you've lynched town, not lynched scum, and you have this hammerer that could be scum saving momo, or could just be loltown.

A lolhammer would help us net 2 scum for 1 town. Anyways, I do think we're winning and have scum on the ropes. Let's focus on the big picture.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The wagon on me has built ridiculously fast and is almost certainly scum driven. How fast I went from being widely townleaned/read is not natural. Hectic points out that he's been crumbing cop the whole game, but it's absolutely the fakest crumbing I've seen in a while. Scum can call themselves detective in their posts too.

It's clear that y'all aren't believing me, so I've decided to claim.

I am Simone, a 1-shot Trap Immune Survivor.

I was hoping that I wouldn't have to claim, so that scum could waste one of their traps on me, but it is what it is. Lynching me rn is not smart because scum can't get rid of me when they want to. My role adds value to this town.

Confirm vote: momo

[Albert B. Rampage]

wait what
isnt this game confirmed no 3ps

Yeah

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not running anyone else up today. If a doc is out there he can safely guard Hectic without worrying about being forced to claim. I'm ready to wrap this up and go to night if you are too xtoxm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's not a 3rd party role.

It's a town role. Survivor is just the name of our PT. Being 1-shot trap immune is my role.

Remember what BM said about your town play being aggressive and bombastic. You didn't play the way a bulletproof town plays, and given both of your claims we have no choice but to end this now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can see a world where Momo is town and I can see a world where Hectic is scum but I'm feeling Momo over Hectic unless ABR has an especially compelling point on something I'm not seeing

Stay active, we will need you to finish off Hectic as the clock ticks to midnight.

Still 4 days left my man. I get it, we dont have forever, but using this already as an argument to push through the current biggest wagons......probably lines up well with what you want, but its not the greatest of reasons that should convince anyone else.

We've gotten everything we needed out of this day and a clear road map for Day 2. Take your time to catch up and stuff, then we're lynching momo.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's not a 3rd party role.

It's a town role. Survivor is just the name of our PT. Being 1-shot trap immune is my role.

Remember what BM said about your town play being aggressive and bombastic. You didn't play the way a bulletproof town plays, and given both of your claims we have no choice but to end this now.

This is stupid at best and disingenuous at worst. We have literally 19 other options. We have four days to lynch someone else. Yeah, I'm not play agressively. Want to know a fact you can check with my meta.

I've never made it to LyLo as town because I always get lynched. I'm playing less agressively because I would like to actually see a game to it's end.

Aggressiveness is a town trait. Scum can coast but town can't afford to. Bulletproof town have an even bigger reason to step up and take space in the game. You think I'm the scum in our PT? I don't believe you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ideally before night I'd like Pine/BM to confirm that this was the plan and that they side with ABR here relating to Momo's 1337 but generally this all feels right and makes sense. I think Blake and Elsa look most bad here in terms of associations. I can seeeee why Vecna looks bad too but I kinda still think he's town bc my townread on him was so strong prior, though the sudden pivot to Gamma was a bit odd maybe a "let's set up a future bus" situation if it's like momo/Vecna/Gamma. I was trying to draw attention to Gamma many times this game bc Gamma feels heckin scummy to me still and didn't get any support from Vecna until now once other wagons are a lot more likely to go through

p-edit momo why would you WANT to make it to LYLO as town lol

Our PT is made up of the survivors of jigsaw's past games, he didn't lie about that nor did I say that on the last page.

[Albert B. Rampage]

wait what
isnt this game confirmed no 3ps

Yeah

wait then ABR why the laugh emoji here, I thought this was you laughing at Momo's claim?

His claim is not believable to me regardless of it not being a 3p claim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I was Blake-scum right now, I would worry about Hectic's claim blowing the game wide open, and make a last-ditch attempt to save momo with a brand new bandwagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It was never discussed openly, we've all been reading through the lines. All of us think the pt has scum in it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

what i think blake is getting at, is that if this plan was discussed in the hood, and assuming scum can see the hood, then scum were never going to 'fall for it', since they already knew about it.

It was never discussed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xtoxm can you vote momo?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Be careful, Hectic might go on his own personal witch hunt for whoever wronged him instead of letting the town focus on momo scum lol.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's moot now. I think momo/vecna/blake makes sense.

Yes, im hard defending momo in public and openly trying to push the wagon onto blake instead. scum all-star right here

Big brainy boy

If you think Hectic will be lynched, why not act as you did? You would think it's safe.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This post doesn't really fill me with confidence regarding Elsa though. I mean, I agree that Almo is scummy, but the reasoning here is iffy.

The subject goes from Elsa's post that's not that good (and doesn't even say Almost is scummy if you look closely), to agreeing that Almost is scummy, and back to the reasoning isn't good. I expected an Elsa vote from this (for the bad reasoning which is right here), not an Almost vote (scummy for what reason?).

Hectic, here's your explanation. You said that Elsa was scummy, said you agreed with Elsa about Almost, and then voted Almost who was voting Elsa. It's a weird triangular logic that doesn't make sense at all.

I can confirm this was it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

what in the hell is this? ABR - does this stack up to you?

Vecna is saying momo will not be NK'd if he's town, yes he's right.

[Albert B. Rampage]

why fake claim if it's not even gonna be something strong?

Mod provided fakeclaim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

gonna park this here for now
VOTE: bm

Let's be helpful and vote for momo.

[Albert B. Rampage]

we're not waiting for Pine? Ok well I want a piece of this.

Vote: Momo

If I die tonight, policy-lynch Xtoxm tomorrow obviously.

I'm not voting Xtoxm day 2 if he votes for momo now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, just for the record, I have no PR, so don't waste an NK on me, scumbags!

Wtf is this antitown trash of a post? Terrible.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xtoxm vote for momo.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, just for the record, I have no PR, so don't waste an NK on me, scumbags!

Wtf is this antitown trash of a post? Terrible.

I'm pro-town brother!

Is that what pro-town looks like now, claiming your role at one vote?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm your mother's lover.

[Albert B. Rampage]

[Albert B. Rampage]

So, dissenters of momo wagon, any chance that you consolidate on a counterwagon? I recommend EJ personally

nah i like having elsa around

Come on dude I want to see a flip

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can I declare intent or do we want to wait another day

Drop tha hammah

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sircakez are you ready?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's open season on you Jigsaw's cronies from today until the last day.

I heard you like traps so I trapped you with Hectic's bandwagon yesterday.

I called EJ town in our PT and BM can fact-check that.

This is MY HOUSE. I rule this fucking game. Step up to me. I WILL WREAK HAVOC ON YOU. YOUR BEGGING WILL BE MET WITH NINE VOTES ON MY SIGNAL.

[Albert B. Rampage]

THE BODY COUNT I AM ABOUT TO DROP WILL BALANCE THE SCALES OF N1

I DON'T DIE
I DON'T SLEEP
I DON'T FORGIVE
AND I DON'T HIDE BEHIND ALTS

SCUM ARE ABOUT TO LEARN THE TERROR OF PLAYING WITH ME

[Albert B. Rampage]

FOUR OF THE REMAINING SCUM HIDE AMONG THESE SEVEN...

Gamma Emerald
VaultDweller
Vecna
iDanyboy
GeorgeBailey
Drixx
Blake Belladonna

I CALL THEM THE FINAL FOUR...
I WILL GRIP THEIR BEATING HEARTS ONE BY ONE...
TOMORROW THERE WILL BE THREE...
NOURISH ME WITH YOUR VOTES... GIVE THEM TO ME...
THE FEAST I THROW WILL PUT TO SHAME THE HALL OF GLUTTONS IN THE THIRD CIRCLE OF HELL

[Albert B. Rampage]

THE FOUR HEARTS YOU WILL PRESENT TO ME OVER THE NEXT FOUR DAYS FOR THE FINAL FEAST... WHO DO THEY BELONG TO?

[Albert B. Rampage]

glad i defended elsa at least
sadly i think she was vigged :c

Almost TMI, my man. Like, ALMOST.

Almost - what is the value of your traitor speculation?

So far, not much. But down the road it benefits us to hunt for one-way associatives (The Traitor knowing the scum team and them not knowing him/her). Also a variant of Traitor loses already if the main scum team is wiped out, so there's that.

Great reason for not lynching the traitor first if we suspect someone is groupscum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Your ISO says you are a Traitor. That's ALL I got from it. You also said 7 was a lucky number and voted Drixx (who now says the hood is of 7 members) in the same post.

As I said, I will only be confident in your alignment when you flip, so excuse me while I go campaigning for your lynch today.

This was totally false and I was right to ignore it Day 1 man. I told BM EJ was town.

Just trust my reads I got this game figured out. Wait until everyone posts and explains what they've been up to and I'll lay out my plan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is it worth anything to wait for like Drixx/Blake to check in?

Yeah, both are in my POE and it's critical to get their thoughts and get them to report night actions/results.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Blake

Come on guys. MT's PT has no scum? Give me a break. Easy scum lynch right here + jumped on Hectic at a crucial juncture when momo was getting pressure.

For me it's a no-brainer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How convenient.

I told BM I was voting you before you posted Day 2. Try again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Last night Xtoxm shared his fakeclaim (postman) with ABR to try and protect himself, whilst simultaneously trying to kill me. Sent him a love-letter, basically telling ABR how big and strong he is, and promised to sheep him forever (admittedly, this is how ABR described it ). Firstly, there's no way in hell anyone town is doing that. Secondly, the likelihood of scum not putting a trap on ABR last night is reasonably slim given his profile (and I believe he's close-to-confirmed town), so deduce that the reason they didn't is because Xtoxm was going to target him (because if ABR was trapped he couldn't have received the letter). Thirdly, Xtoxm randomly asked on Day 1 to be investigated by different types of cop, and I assume only Jigsaw would be cop-proof, and would have a big incentive for an early clear investigation. Plus Jigsaw is probably not in a PT, so that gives a 1/6 chance anyway, and Xtoxm is clearly the scummiest player of the 6 on his own merit. Others have already made the case on his Day 1 voting pattern being dreadful, but also keeping himself quiet enough to avoid much interest. His only post today is a memorial for Elsa who was subjected to 2 traps last night. Hence we should Vote: Xtoxm

All this is true and BM's case has merit, I won't deny it.

I can go for Xtoxm if everyone promises me you will lynch Blake if I die or I will endeavor to make you see Blake is scum for the rest of Day 2.

[Albert B. Rampage]

this is dull, get it together you guys.

Did I not tell you Blake was top obvscum before his opening Day 2 post?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah Blake, what do you think about dany?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah Blake, what do you think about dany?

She's just protecting Xtoxm dude, it's distraction tactics.

You've got my support but I think both should claim today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

BTW we know the make up of the cop and FBI hoods, do we know the Jigsaw Survivor hood make-up?

it's just me and ABR left. we did have Pine and Momo too.

Can you join our Xtoxm wagon now please? Many thanks!

Let the players play. We have an army at our backs. There's no need to force anyone's hand and cause the dissimulation of potential connections. There's four left and you only got one and you're a high value target tonight. Don't be too excited like Simba. Follow the role model that is Mufasa.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who besides xtoxm? 3 more

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok you agree with me on Blake. 2 more?

[Albert B. Rampage]

BBmolla? Explain

[Albert B. Rampage]

can leave that one for the PT for now

lining up lynches is naïve anyway, but those would be my picks now if I was pressed.

You're more valuable when you talk to us about your thoughts than when you repeat the same thing over and over.

Everyone's on your side, you're the hero of the game, so tell us everything. There's no harm in it. You said you were VT. It's not like you can make scum want to NK you more.

Let's talk about BBmolla.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nothing he has done outside of the neighborhood is town

that's quite a claim

The reality is, she has nothing of consequence to share here, based on her own read of ABR which was pretty ambivalent (certainly not one of her top scumpicks today). This is nothing more than a smokescreen to save Xtoxm, I'm convinced of it.

Yeah and what happens if we both die tonight? I want to leave a legacy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well we already know Xtoxm's claim actually since he sent it to me via pm last night.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ayt. Pisskop wanna vote xtoxm?

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: xtoxm

[Albert B. Rampage]

What thing?