Micro 935 | Chain of Command | Game Over!

[Alduskkel]

Hello all!

by my count, you opened with 'hello' in mini 1582 and mini 1593, both as mafia. there was no 'hello' in mini 1591, micro 349, newbie 1537, newbie 1513, newbie 1500 and mini 1578 as town and micro 366 as mafia.

do me next

but you have to do all of them
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Question to anyone familiar with the setup: how different will this be from a different mafia game? In particular I'm not sure how to play around the potential alternate mafia win condition where they win if all commanders are town and they all die, other than that it seems like we don't want the entire command structure to claim.

[Alduskkel]

do me next

but you have to do all of them

i will consider doing so if you update your wiki.

i ain't got time for that

hmmm there should be something alignment indicative for euphony, dr pepper, and drew-sta, but i haven't figured it out yet

maybe euphony and kanna are scum because datisi townreads them




(that's a joke)

[Alduskkel]

hmmm there should be something alignment indicative for euphony, dr pepper, and drew-sta, but i haven't figured it out yet

have you got anything alignment indicative for other players

no

also i keep confusing dr pepper's avatar with drew-sta's avatar and it's not helping me analyze AT ALL

[Alduskkel]

what's a datu

[Alduskkel]

datisi is obviously a cult leader who recruits people by townreading them in-thread

[Alduskkel]

What do you mean regarding standing behind evidence if it results in a nightkill, Drew?

Also, why do you assume we can't scumhunt by dropping this meta and seeing how you react to it, in the same vein you'd answer a question that we've asked? It's a shadow, but it's a comforting one, the sort of one you'd relish to find in the middle of the sahara. I've found your reaction so far kinda scummy; your tone completely changed and you think what we've done is anti-town and can't decide whether or not to scumread us for it, but I'm unsure if your reaction would be the same if the meta was about someone else.

When you

originally dropped the meta

, was your primary intention to base a read off the meta itself or off of drew-sta's reaction to it? I don't want to hear what you decided to base your read off later -- I want to know what your intent was at the time of writing the original post.

[Alduskkel]

you just leaked classified information

[Alduskkel]

What do you mean regarding standing behind evidence if it results in a nightkill, Drew?

Also, why do you assume we can't scumhunt by dropping this meta and seeing how you react to it, in the same vein you'd answer a question that we've asked? It's a shadow, but it's a comforting one, the sort of one you'd relish to find in the middle of the sahara. I've found your reaction so far kinda scummy; your tone completely changed and you think what we've done is anti-town and can't decide whether or not to scumread us for it, but I'm unsure if your reaction would be the same if the meta was about someone else.

When you

originally dropped the meta

, was your primary intention to base a read off the meta itself or off of drew-sta's reaction to it? I don't want to hear what you decided to base your read off later -- I want to know what your intent was at the time of writing the original post.

the basis for my read at the time was the meta. my intention for posting it was to gauge drew-sta's reaction to it.

I don't like you saying "why do you assume we can't scumhunt by dropping this meta and seeing how you react to it" when that

wasn't

what you were doing. To strip it down, it's basically saying, "why didn't you assume I was doing a thing I wasn't doing?"

VOTE: Euphony

[Alduskkel]

What do you mean regarding standing behind evidence if it results in a nightkill, Drew?

Also, why do you assume we can't scumhunt by dropping this meta and seeing how you react to it, in the same vein you'd answer a question that we've asked? It's a shadow, but it's a comforting one, the sort of one you'd relish to find in the middle of the sahara. I've found your reaction so far kinda scummy; your tone completely changed and you think what we've done is anti-town and can't decide whether or not to scumread us for it, but I'm unsure if your reaction would be the same if the meta was about someone else.

When you

originally dropped the meta

, was your primary intention to base a read off the meta itself or off of drew-sta's reaction to it? I don't want to hear what you decided to base your read off later -- I want to know what your intent was at the time of writing the original post.

the basis for my read at the time was the meta. my intention for posting it was to gauge drew-sta's reaction to it.

I don't like you saying "why do you assume we can't scumhunt by dropping this meta and seeing how you react to it" when that

wasn't

what you were doing. To strip it down, it's basically saying, "why didn't you assume I was doing a thing I wasn't doing?"

VOTE: Euphony

Colonel Alduskkel, she's literally saying that

was

her intention though. To drop the meta and see how Drew-sta reacted to it. How else are you interpreting her words?

}}}+ Hectic

fuck i'm dumb

Unvote

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Iconeum

choo choo counter wagon

p.s. that's l-1

[Alduskkel]

i'm voting u cuz i don't see how u can be confident in dr pepper as scum
+kanna's meta read

also if that's what you call "calling me out" then i got news for you

[Alduskkel]

spicy is good, this game has been too slow so far

[Alduskkel]

I want an honest answer from you here:

wrt to Mini 2119: did you read my opening posts, or did you actually go thru all

1.000

posts of me there?

i'll give you more feedback after this answer

oh nonono. I focused on the earlier posts

and now that we have established that me having townreads is a big part of townreading me, why are you dismissing/ignoring the fact that I have already established an early townblock to work from?

I didn't say scum!you never has townreads, you townblocked me and probably some other people in strawberry, right? I mean you *focus on* on scumreads/pushes which I feel like you're doing with DrP now. It's like the ame/luca tunnel.

u didn't disprove it

[Alduskkel]

if i get lynched here, lynch kanna next

trust me

why kanna specifically and not anyone else on your wagon

[Alduskkel]

do you agree that aldus is prob scum?

VOTE: Iconeum

choo choo counter wagon

p.s. that's l-1

oh look i call you out and you vote me

what a surprise

so we've got Oka, who has given exactly zero reason for his vote on me
Kanna, who says i'm scum!ico because i don't have townreads while I've pushed an early townblock -
aldus, who's reason is choo choo
and pepper, which is just him being salty i'm pushing him

noice

logically you should think i'm scummy too but you choose to single out kanna for some reason

[Alduskkel]

no i'm trying to figure out why iconeum said "lynch kanna next" when i should pretty much be equally scummy to icon

and then icon switches votes to me so idk even

[Alduskkel]

so why are you voting me now instead?

[Alduskkel]

so why are you voting me now instead?

To see how Kanna reacts.

1. why would you say that before kanna reacted
2. i was talking to iconeum

[Alduskkel]

ald is doing the scummy thing where he sheeps kanna to 1v1 ico but tries to get ico to 1v1 kanna

i think

either ald/kanna is svs taking turns or ald/kanna is svt where he's burning two slots kinda

could you explain?

[Alduskkel]

explain your euphony townread

[Alduskkel]

@Datisi: What's your read on Icon? I feel it's still within the scumrange we saw in Autumnal Mafia. I think Icon is a good scum player but occasionally has trouble keeping consistent reads (which happened D3 in Autumnal) and I feel like that might be happening in this game too.

[Alduskkel]

icon's unashamed self-metaing is throwing me off

[Alduskkel]

well, who are you scumreading dats?

[Alduskkel]

bad dragon

[Alduskkel]

Well, first it seemed like Kanna and I were about equally scummy to Icon (circa pages 13 and 14 or so). Then Icon said "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next" (page 15) which implies Kanna is scummier than me. This is also seen in the reads list later on that page where Kanna is "prob scum" but I'm just "could be scum." Icon then goes on to vote me and says 1 of me and Kanna is scum but probably not both. So why did Icon feel confident enough to say "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next"? That could potentially lead to two town lynches in a row from town-Icon's perspective. If Icon really thinks that one of Kanna and I are scum, then it should be trying to sort which one is the scum, which I don't think is happening. I also don't think it made sense to call Kanna scummier but then switch votes to me -- maybe scum Icon saw me as the easier target?

[Alduskkel]

[Alduskkel]

i mean my reaction was going to be to ask you to explain the vote

how does assuming ico is scum and then evaluating his actions from there make me scummy? maybe i'm just confbiasing or something

and yeah you're right i was less interested in this game earlier because it was so slow

[Alduskkel]

any other reason you're voting me?

[Alduskkel]

tbh i do think icon is kinda scummy but part of my vote was just to stir shit up to get reads

[Alduskkel]

i didn't get as much as i wanted but
i'd say icon came out scummier looking
i'm town-leaning on oka for 364
drew gets town points for going the more difficult path of voting kanna
also not related to my vote but 293 doesn't look like it comes from scum:

Oka, in my opinion, is trying to ride that line between looking scummy and looking town as a means of making themselves appear a poor NK target.

IMHO.

like, this kinda looks like PR hunting at first but if it were

actual

PR hunting then drew would have just posted this in the scum PT instead of in the thread

your vote on me is reasonable from an outside perspective, but I don't see anything alignment-indicative about it yet

[Alduskkel]

yay wallpost am i cool yet

You call that a wallpost?

Well, first it seemed like Kanna and I were about equally scummy to Icon (circa pages 13 and 14 or so). Then Icon said "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next" (page 15) which implies Kanna is scummier than me. This is also seen in the reads list later on that page where Kanna is "prob scum" but I'm just "could be scum." Icon then goes on to vote me and says 1 of me and Kanna is scum but probably not both. So why did Icon feel confident enough to say "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next"? That could potentially lead to two town lynches in a row from town-Icon's perspective. If Icon really thinks that one of Kanna and I are scum, then it should be trying to sort which one is the scum, which I don't think is happening. I also don't think it made sense to call Kanna scummier but then switch votes to me -- maybe scum Icon saw me as the easier target?

i think this entire paragraph can be cut down to:

ico voted aldus despite having a slightly larger or more expressed scumread in kanna therefore this is ico!scum

which is identical to:

You think I'm scummier than Also but you remove me from L-1 to vote him?Whut?

Aside from being an oversimplification, you're omitting the fact that your level of confidence was unjustified when from a town perspective you should have more to investigate to avoid mislynches.

ald is doing the scummy thing where he sheeps kanna to 1v1 ico but tries to get ico to 1v1 kanna

i think

either ald/kanna is svs taking turns or ald/kanna is svt where he's burning two slots kinda

could you explain?

also i missed this but

it means that i think there are two worlds that make equal sense

one where its you/kanna and you are tag teaming ico and well, ico probably wont win the tag team with outside assistance

or its you using kanna to create a false 1v1 to incriminate both

something like that, tinfoil hats are fun

I see where you're coming from, but if that were my plan then I'm doing a very bad job of it. If Kanna and I are scum together then why do we need to tag-team Icon when we could have just maintain the status quo and hope the game moves toward a DP or QQ lynch? Alternatively, if I'm scum and Icon v Kanna is TvT, then why do I poke my head in and attract attention when a 1v1 between them would probably have developed naturally?

Don't like 349 as a way to justify his L-1 - part of the reason the game was slow was because Aldu was pretty inactive. I agree with Datisi regarding the consistency thing on Ico. Spotting that Drew-Sta thing in 416 pretty towny though.

Why is 364towny, Aldu?

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

----> Hectic

To the first part -- it's kind of a positive feedback cycle. The game is slow which means I have less to say because I'm having trouble reading people, and the game is slower because I'm not saying much. I wanted to try to break out of that cycle.

Why is 364 townie? It's hard to explain, but I don't see scum going, "ugh, what you did was townie but I don't like it." Especially when it's about AtE where it's easy to say you scumread someone for it. To me it read as town-Oka saying, "that was bad behavior but my town win condition means I'm forced to acknowledge that you're more likely to be town because of it."

so i spent some time trying to type something witty but i cant so

you do you shiki

And I thought we were out of RVS and Eup tries to drag us right back in...

I hope you guys have figured out by now that post 442 was a joke post by Hectic pretending to be shiki.

ico the fact is i've played a lot of games with him and he seems Just Town? he's got a Townblocc(tm) and is going through PoE and his reads make sense to me, and there's just enough "wtf is this shit ico" posts that i don't think he'd be faking so

Icon can have a townblock as scum, and has before. The second reason is fair from your perspective. For the third reason, what posts specifically made you think that?

Just replying to past stuff don't mind me

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

Can you elaborate on Alduskkel? 349 comes off as kind of a joke to me actually

349 wasn't a joke.

Well, first it seemed like Kanna and I were about equally scummy to Icon (circa pages 13 and 14 or so). Then Icon said "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next" (page 15) which implies Kanna is scummier than me. This is also seen in the reads list later on that page where Kanna is "prob scum" but I'm just "could be scum." Icon then goes on to vote me and says 1 of me and Kanna is scum but probably not both. So why did Icon feel confident enough to say "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next"? That could potentially lead to two town lynches in a row from town-Icon's perspective. If Icon really thinks that one of Kanna and I are scum, then it should be trying to sort which one is the scum, which I don't think is happening. I also don't think it made sense to call Kanna scummier but then switch votes to me -- maybe scum Icon saw me as the easier target?

The fact you keep citing Ico as scum without forming a really good argument is curious. And no, the above is not a good argument. It's basically OMGUS reasoning. Which is a poor foundation to work with. If you think Icon is scum, form an argument on why utilising posts and the like.

How did you get OMGUS from what I said? What's wrong with my argument?

Why exactly is Icon scummy.

Already said why.

The meta I'm not worried about. The adoption by Aldus of Kanna's argument is of concern. 345, 351, 366 are a weird falling in line with Kanna. If an Icon lynch went ahead, then Aldus could bus Kanna for leading the argument for the lynch and absolve himself of responsibility.

410 is misrep, as it wasn't Aldo scum reading, it was Aldo following Kanna's read after you pressed them. 414 is then a cop out: 'Oh no! I wasn't actually voting Ico, I was just being a muppet!' Which is covering himself and cutting himself off from calling Ico into suspicion. Then backs onto Ico being scum in 416 again, buddies Oka and suggests I'm PR fishing (which is casting shade) on my post - which completely misreps what I said.

When you say "weird" do you mean scummy? If so, what's scummy about it? And the problem with your next statement is that it assumes Icon and Kanna are town.
I don't know what you mean about post 410.
For context for post 414, I didn't have a strong read on Icon at the time I placed the vote, though it was still a scumread. I'm not "backing onto Ico being scum" -- I'm saying my scumread has grown stronger since I placed the vote.
Saying I townread Oka isn't buddying.
I didn't cast shade on your post -- in fact, I said I thought you were town because of it.

UNVOTE: DoctorPepper

as I said you might be a townie thanks for your time

VOTE: Alduskkel

Kanna move your vote to Alduskkel

stick together team with OkaPoka

Iconeum voting Kanna doesn't help his case

Euphony has camo presume, vote alduskkel

Could you contribute to the discussion more than this? What specifically do you find scummy about me?

[Alduskkel]

Isn't that kinda too-scummy-to-be-scum? If Icon were scum what would you expect to see that you're not seeing in this game?

For DP, I think he's letting his dislike of Euphony's playstyle get the better of him; Euphony has plenty of content to analyze. I'd say DP reads like frustrated/misguided town.

Admittedly, Euphony and Iconeum raised some interesting points against DP on pages 20 and 22 respectively, so I should probably iso him to double check my read. I don't feel like doing that today though after writing that wallpost.

[Alduskkel]

You're basically saying that because Icon is focussed on you and you don't agree with his argument, he must be scum.

Regarding your argument, you've simply regaled what has happened. It's clear Ico is trying to sort the both of you and determine his view on you. You've simply retorted with 'He's wrong, because I'm town, thus he must be scum'.

That's not what I said. I'm saying it doesn't make sense for town-Icon to have been confident about Kanna-scum then switch vote to me while also maintaining that Kanna and I are unlikely to both be scum.

The meta I'm not worried about. The adoption by Aldus of Kanna's argument is of concern. 345, 351, 366 are a weird falling in line with Kanna. If an Icon lynch went ahead, then Aldus could bus Kanna for leading the argument for the lynch and absolve himself of responsibility.

410 is misrep, as it wasn't Aldo scum reading, it was Aldo following Kanna's read after you pressed them. 414 is then a cop out: 'Oh no! I wasn't actually voting Ico, I was just being a muppet!' Which is covering himself and cutting himself off from calling Ico into suspicion. Then backs onto Ico being scum in 416 again, buddies Oka and suggests I'm PR fishing (which is casting shade) on my post - which completely misreps what I said.

1 When you say "weird" do you mean scummy? If so, what's scummy about it?

2 And the problem with your next statement is that it assumes Icon and Kanna are town.

3 I don't know what you mean about post 410.
For context for post 414, I didn't have a strong read on Icon at the time I placed the vote, though it was still a scumread. I'm not "backing onto Ico being scum" -- I'm saying my scumread has grown stronger since I placed the vote.
4 Saying I townread Oka isn't buddying.
5 I didn't cast shade on your post -- in fact, I said I thought you were town because of it.

1 When I say weird, I mean it doesn't make sense. As in, it is inconsistent. And thus, does not appear to be town favourable.

2 I've never said Kanna is town at all. In fact my vote is on him. That's an odd thing to say, and somewhat slippy.

3 Can't remember what I meant by this. I'll pause on it and return when I remember.

4 Oka is doing the exact same thing as Ico yet you townread him. Secondly, you've given no reason to town read him. I consider that a form of buddying.

5 I disagree re the shade bit.

1 Inconsistent with what?
2 No, but your hypothetical situation where I pass responsibility for a town-Icon lynch onto Kanna only makes sense if Kanna is also town. That's why I said the statement assumes Kanna is town. If I'm scum with Kanna, passing responsibility for a town-Icon lynch onto her does nothing except move suspicion from one scum to another.
4 I disagree that Oka is doing the same thing as Ico. I also explained my Oka townread here:

Why is 364 townie? It's hard to explain, but I don't see scum going, "ugh, what you did was townie but I don't like it." Especially when it's about AtE where it's easy to say you scumread someone for it. To me it read as town-Oka saying, "that was bad behavior but my town win condition means I'm forced to acknowledge that you're more likely to be town because of it."

5 It's not shade if I give you towncred for it.

Are you WK-ing me too?

I'd be defending you and haranguing people for voting you if I were WKing you, so no.

pedit: hello i heard u needed an urgent delivery of premium alduskkel?

[Alduskkel]

i don't have role models, i just do my own thing

[Alduskkel]

I almost never read games that I'm not playing in, so my play mostly develops by trying to improve upon my play in previous games. You'll have to take this with a grain of salt since I haven't rolled scum in ages

and

this is self-meta, but my approach to scum is to start by replicating my town play, but subtly shift it so that my partner(s) are less likely to be lynched. I might also lurk a bit more if I feel posting might disrupt the game going in a way I want it to, although because my activity levels also depend on IRL stuff, it'd probably be impossible to tell from the outside what lurking is scumlurking and what isn't.

did this ever happen btw

Not yet

[Alduskkel]

So are you no longer scumreading Icon, Kanna?

[Alduskkel]

actually since nobody has commented on this yet

are you guys not irked by QQ's l1 post?

yeah it was pretty bad

[Alduskkel]

Limited access next 24 hours

[Alduskkel]

hello I am back after a rough midterm

uhh I've only skimmed the past few pages (I'll make a more detailed post in the next few hours) but can I ask wtf is going on with QQ?

[Alduskkel]

Unvote

tho, I've been getting better vibes from icon lately

totally not because he unvoted me

pedit: a bold claim because i'm captain furret
not to be confused with captain the furret

[Alduskkel]

hey, that's my line!

[Alduskkel]

I just did a quick meta check on QQ and they're capable of Not Being Like This so if they could start Not Being Like This then it would be much appreciated

[Alduskkel]

The Mafia team is composed of 2 players who are randomly assigned to any rank and role in the game (They can be officers. If either of them are officers the secondary win condition does not apply).

[Alduskkel]

I might also lurk a bit more if I feel posting might disrupt the game going in a way I want it to, although because my activity levels also depend on IRL stuff, it'd probably be impossible to tell from the outside what lurking is scumlurking and what isn't.

and do you hide your online status more often as scum or as town?

I frequently read games I'm in without logging in. But I don't usually check the "hide my online status" button.

Ico, look I think that whatever argument we have isn't actually benefitting town if we are both town

Hmm, but you think Icon is scum. So did the argument benefit the town if Icon is scum?

ok i think i reread like half of the relevan part of Day 1 in autumnal
first, oh god my eyes
second, this is not the same scum!ico
i don't feel confident enough to grant a full on townread based on that one game but ico can be town for now k

explain how you arrived at this conclusion

lowkey thinking about policying QQ because i'm too stupid for this game

someone give me the spiciest take you have

the most moonlogicy one i don't care

QQ is scum with you or DP
no that's not serious but part of me is like

but what if

Scum:
Iconeum
Alduskkel

Do you believe it's possible we're scum together, or are these just independent scum reads? Either way, I feel it's weird to scumread both of us -- can you explain more?
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Can someone explain what's so scummy about Kanna?

[Alduskkel]

asking because i once saw you weren't in the "now online" list but you were online in site chat

was this when i was making my wallpost

[Alduskkel]

one of them, ye

i needed to be online to make the post but it was gonna take a while so i didn't want people in thread to be like ALDUSKKEL IS ONLINE POST NOW OR UR SCUM

[Alduskkel]

Ico, look I think that whatever argument we have isn't actually benefitting town if we are both town

Hmm, but you think Icon is scum. So did the argument benefit the town if Icon is scum?

can you answer this DP

this is a lame top of the page post but oh well

[Alduskkel]

this is a lame top of the page post but oh well

bruh moment

[Alduskkel]

so why'd you feel the need to add the "if we are both town" part if it also applied in the case where icon is scum

[Alduskkel]

someone in Icon, DP, and QQ

I want to see a post from QQ before I decide what the best play is tho

[Alduskkel]

i recognize the flipflop on DP btw

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Quantum Quaser

this game is a dumpster fire rn but I feel QQ is never going to be productive and has a decent chance of being scum so

[Alduskkel]

the L-1 vote on me was really bad

[Alduskkel]

tbh i want to flash kanna

GONE WRONG (GONE SEXUAL)

[Alduskkel]

i have a townread on drew and am very eh about the first 3 voters on his wagon so can we not lynch drew

[Alduskkel]

imagine how confusing this game would be if Doctor Drew were playing

[Alduskkel]

so either we're one random townie death away from losing or scum control the PRs now

feeling very demoralized

[Alduskkel]

low key feeling like datisi is scum

[Alduskkel]

too hopeful coming into this day phase. actual townies would have crippling depression

[Alduskkel]

i don't know if we can rely on kanna's advice to lynch euphony because kanna didn't know we were going to lynch our watcher

[Alduskkel]

hello I've been very busy recently but now I am less busy so I will be making a catchup post

in the meantime can someone summarize why apparently everyone thinks I'm scummy tho

[Alduskkel]

too hopeful coming into this day phase. actual townies would have crippling depression

I'm still somewhat hopefull. Definitely not depressed. Definitely suspicious of all those who pushed towards that lynch D1 at EoD.

Does that make me scum?

Not really, but I did expect a lot more "oh god we're screwed" when this Day started since that's about how I felt when I saw the flip.

so if pepper is actually town (as somewhat indicated by EoD AtE)

Calling DP town based on the EoD AtE doesn't make sense when you take into account:
1. You yourself admit you're partial to AtE, meaning you're biased.
2. You already got towncred for AtE before DP's AtE. Combine that with this game having scum daytalk, and DP's AtE could have easily been planned to snag towncred like you did.

Like, all scumteams that are currently in my head contain Aldus.

TOWN
ico
pepper (by default, because i'm not lynching here anymore) - most likely scenario is actually lynchbait here
oka
datisi (was townreading it up until the QQ lynch thing happened - scumpoints there but adding in the EoD chaos I think still town)

euph
drew

Aldus

smt like this is where i'm at

and we lynch bottom up

How have you ruled out a Drew-Euphony scumteam?

VOTE: Quantum Quaser

this game is a dumpster fire rn but I feel QQ is never going to be productive and has a decent chance of being scum so

What made you think Quentin had "a decent chance of being scum" at the time?

{}= Hectic

The L-1 vote on me was trash. QQ was nearly unreadable so he had 0 town points to counteract that. Finally, a bit of PoE based on my townreads on Drew and Oka.

just a random thought here

if the last commander is town

lynching him loses the game
but having him claim also loses the game

how the fuck do we work around that wrt to lynches?

Never claim rank and just pray we don't get unlucky.

drew's acceptance of it's lynch is odd

Well, didn't DP get townread for it?

aldus i want updated reads from you

IIRC your scumreads were DP/me/QQ

QQ was town
DP and me were the only ones off lynch

if you think drew is still town and dats is scum, why aren't you pushing this since datisi is pushing your townread?

I don't actually have a solid scumread on Datisi. It's some mixture of an lolsolve/paranoia/gut. I don't know how to articulate it. I guess it's also notable that Datisi was obvtown in Autumnal but isn't here, but that's not solid either.

Honestly, my reads aren't in a very good place now. I remain confident Oka is town. I don't see why Drew is scum but maybe I need to reevaluate since I think I might be the only one thinking that -- maybe my early townread on Drew made me interpret everything after as town, too. I still find you and DP suspect.

Datisi for the love of all that is holy you better be town.

right back at ya

This lowkey pings me as scum partners giggling to each other.

Euphony kinda pings me too, especially:

I don't think we should flashwagon Quentin.

VOTE: Quentin

FINE. This is what the day has come to.

?£$' Hectic

...seems inconsistent or fake.

The best thing that can happen is for town to drag out the day and pressure other players to see if they slip as scum. If they do, lynch them, let me be NK'd and you'll likely win at 4v1.

And what makes you think you'd get NK'd? That seems incredibly unlikely at this point given how many people suspect you and that you've also claimed VT.

i'm confident i'm right putting [Datisi] in the townblock

Okay how the hell did we get to here after all of this:

Spoiler:

because it's a little over to day till deadline and we don't have a consensus

Yeah, this is optimal

VOTE: DoctorPepper

VOTE: pepper

this day was supposed to end 20 pages ago

yes. What made you jump off this train?

lowkey also wanna leap of faith lynch QQ

ugh

ugh indeed

Datisi for the love of all that is holy you better be town. Dislike how she helped the QQ lynch, unsure if it is scum indicative.

yeah saying that you had such a strong townread on QQ despite thinking he is unreadable and then lynching him 'because he'd lose us the game if he is town' is bullshit

[Alduskkel]

I might have just had an epiphany. DP is scummy but I can't think of anyone in this game who makes sense as his partner.

[Alduskkel]

why are you assuming you'll get nightkilled

[Alduskkel]

I replied in-line bolded for what i hope is ease of reading

Actually I hate this format.

just as easily faked as scum, then it is genuine town. it's completely NAI

True, just thought it was weird no one reacted that way.

do you think i 'snagged' towncredit? it wasn't just AtE, he was literally towning it up in his posting. I don't think you joined that particular conversation when it was happening, did you?

I don't think so? What makes you say he was "towning it up"?

i've not ruled out any scumteam, but this is where i was at, at that time. is this all you have to say about it? there were a couple reply's town!you could make about how you feel about this, but this aint it.

What else did you expect town!me to say?

Wait, me AND DP suspect? Like, in a team? Or independent? Because boy if you think there's a world where DP and I are a team then ehhhhh well I don't know if I have words for that lol

Oh no, almost certainly mutually exclusive lol

Spicey read, but you should probably just read the previous iteration of CoC to understand the true meaning of this. Or like, literally any other game dats and me have played together

yeah i'm not doing that, i'm just gonna go off what i remember from autumnal

agreed. But I don't see you pushing any of Ico/DP/datisi/Euph. Why's that?

not sure enough about my scumreads yet to pick out which one to push

it's a strange take, to think it will be NK'd and a strange take to 'let me be killed', but this isn't really a scum!indicative statement is it?

I'm still trying to figure out what it indicates at all

what about it? I talked to Dats about my questions and she answered everything and I think she's reaffirmed her spot in my townblock after that. It's all right here in the prev pages if you wanna read it.

Were there any posts in particular that reaffirmed your townread or was it just the general conversation as a whole?

Aldus, you have like 4?ish scumreads in me/euph/datisi/DrP. And you choose to question DREW over why it thinks it will be NK'd? How does that help you make a solve?

A shotgun read on datisi 'lowkey think this is scum' and another shotgun 'guys i just had an epiphany Drp is actually scummy' after just having said you think DrP is scum is ehhhhhh meh at best

I really think ur scum and are waiting for town to make the wrong pushes here

the drew thing I'm just confused and questioning my own read of the slot

also my epiphany wasn't "DP is actually scummy" it was "it actually sorta makes more sense if DP is town"

Which makes me think about why you ain't jumping on the Drew train. There's a few scumreads there. Why don't you scumread Drew?

General vibe from the posts. Some specific things I'd like to highlight:
1. Voting Kanna on page 16 instead of Icon, DP, or me when Kanna had no votes on her. The easy thing to do for scum!Drew is to pick one of those 3 wagons and hop on, but he didn't.
2. This:

also not related to my vote but 293 doesn't look like it comes from scum:

Oka, in my opinion, is trying to ride that line between looking scummy and looking town as a means of making themselves appear a poor NK target.

IMHO.

like, this kinda looks like PR hunting at first but if it were

actual

PR hunting then drew would have just posted this in the scum PT instead of in the thread

3. I never bought the whole LAMIST scumtell argument about drew.
4. (Both D1 and D2) the votes on him tend to suddenly pile on without much resistance from anywhere in the gamestate. Doesn't feel like a scum lynch.

[Alduskkel]

or does it

[Alduskkel]

u better not be whiteknighting me datisi

[Alduskkel]

"guuuuuuuys just let me have this aldus mislynch!"

[Alduskkel]

here's my spicy townbloc
me, oka, drew

[Alduskkel]

here's my spicy townbloc
me, oka, drew

have you thought this thru?

What do you mean?

It's possible Aldus is just fucking up his game and behaving scummy as Oka says. Who knows.

Like, deliberately or accidentally?

pedit: wait you WANT me to tunnel? if i'm flipfloppy it's cause this game is fucky and hard to read

[Alduskkel]

ald, gun 2 head, who do you want dead

iconeum

[Alduskkel]

honestly if icon flipped scum that'd be +equity for datisi being scum, it's just I'm not confident enough in that to lynch datisi first

[Alduskkel]

honestly if icon flipped scum that'd be +equity for datisi being scum, it's just I'm not confident enough in that to lynch datisi first

would the reverse be true for you? me flipping town means datisi is prob town?

or dats flipping town means i'm prob town?

datisi flipping town makes you more likely to be town, since that removes your most likely scumpartner

you flipping town doesn't give as much info on datisi since datisi has a larger number of plausible scum pairings

if ur town here you should understand that im giving you the once in a lifetime opportunity to take control of me, under reasonable circumstances

i'm aware that i'm not playing that great but i don't really have a good handle on this game as far as reads sooo idk what to tell you

i mean i've told you what i would do, i'm not going to blurt out "lynch drew" or whatever just because that'd be more convenient or because it's what you'd prefer to do anyway

[Alduskkel]

you flipping town doesn't give as much info on datisi since datisi has a larger number of plausible scum pairings

then why would you shoot me if datisi provides more information for you?

because you're scummier

[Alduskkel]

bruh

[Alduskkel]

a comprehensive answer to that question would be pretty lengthy and i'm tired rn

also it'd probably be repeating stuff i've said before, just all in one post instead of scattered throughout my iso

[Alduskkel]

i don't know how much info QQ's flip really provides

you're right that I should check back based on the knowledge that kanna is town but i haven't because miiiiiidteeeeeermssssss have kept me busy

D2 play is included in stuff scattered throughout my iso

[Alduskkel]

i'm pretty sure kanna flipping town does not make you look more town tho ico

[Alduskkel]

didn’t expect to get hammered so soon

I’m flipping town. Promise me you guys won’t rush lylo... and maybe consider my reads again once you know I’m town. A re-evaluation might be in order.

[Alduskkel]

Interesting to hammer me without a claim. Obviously rank claiming is out of the question but if the last officer is town then our PRs still matter. Luckily I’m a vanilla ensign.

[Alduskkel]

I still think oka is most likely to be town but I can’t help but throw a little shade

pedit: no I don’t

[Alduskkel]

TBH I’ve been torn between thinking this town has become too solidified in its reads and I’m the only one keeping a sufficiently open mind vs thinking I’m just bad at reading players in this game because my reads are so different.

That’s why I didn’t really push anyone heavily

That, the captain/lieutenant deaths, and IRL stuff kinda drained my motivation

[Alduskkel]

scum played well but this setup sucked

[Alduskkel]

isn't the core concept of this setup just inherently swingy

like i legitimately don't understand how this isn't just inferior to a standard mafia game setup

[Alduskkel]

i saw that edit

[Alduskkel]

lmao do people still not realize that was hectic pretending to be shiki

[Alduskkel]

wow hectic roasted everyone and is too scared to let us see

[Alduskkel]

if i could control when i rolled scum i would

also i think that was a joke oka

[Alduskkel]

why does pops have another account with the same avatar called isis