Micro 935 | Chain of Command | Game Over!

[Iconeum]

Rawr!

[Iconeum]

not noteworthy enough for a vote?

i have not discussed voting procedure with hectic.

hi scum

[Iconeum]

Hello all!

by my count, you opened with 'hello' in mini 1582 and mini 1593, both as mafia. there was no 'hello' in mini 1591, micro 349, newbie 1537, newbie 1513, newbie 1500 and mini 1578 as town and micro 366 as mafia.

I don't like this one but, coupled with the "scum is in these positions". Mods don't do that

VOTE: Euphony

do you think euphony's post is scum motivated?

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VOTE: doctorpepper

The scum being in those positions thing was obviously a joke. Also don't rolefish kids.

please be town

thanks

[Iconeum]

VOTE: doctorpepper

The scum being in those positions thing was obviously a joke. Also don't rolefish kids.

Yeah I'll choose to take it seriously.


Besides the bigger ping was 22.

VOTE: pepper

[Iconeum]

Hard claiming Field Marshal

hard claim Dragon. I outrank every last one of you.

[Iconeum]

@DOCTORPEPPER; DO NOT DODGE MY QUESTION

hi Kanna

i hope we're in the same team again

[Iconeum]

VOTE: IconeumAFKThe most silent is the most suspect given the circumstances.

what circumstances?

[Iconeum]

In other news, vote Iconeum obvious afk player 1 the usual shebang.

this is so low-effort and pingy to me that i think i just wanny lynch you today

fortunately for you the other scum will get peppered first

[Iconeum]

I still have Euphonia as my top scum read tho that may be because I'm super annoyed by the posting style.

i don't see you trying to sort said read tho

[Iconeum]

I can't seem to get anything off Aldus or Iconeum

lol

[Iconeum]

*insert generic statement* /pepper

[Iconeum]

then alternatively come join the QQ wagon ~perhaps a good ol wagon can get your reads fired up

sure.

VOTE: QuantumQuasar

ok im actually mildly shocked you did that but let me just sit on that for a bit

ask and you shall receive.

doubt that was s/s interaction
definitely a good read

[Iconeum]

i've barely started tho, i don't think i'm tunneling here?

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it's ok tho, not easy to fake scumreads when ur scum

we'll lynch you quickly and get it over with

[Iconeum]

can you explain what you think is scummy about those posts regarding past games and scum positioning?

[Iconeum]

hi

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why should i feel good about you choosing to vote pepper and more glaringly, choosing not to vote QQ

pepper has the awkward case + vote based on 'mod wouldn't do this you are scum for pushing this angle' while clearly RVS
QQ, as I said, is next in line

both are good votes

[Iconeum]

i am townyou're welcomealso hi dragon how we doingi'm still not sure where to votepls helb

either of Pepper/QQ seem good opening wagons

i'm kinda interested in what would happen if QQ picks up, seeing how spooked certain players got by a single vote there

[Iconeum]

where did i say i think you two are scumbuddies?

[Iconeum]

pfff like i'm really working on associatives right now

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So either you're wrong or I'm bussing THIS early

even if i thought you 2 were buddies, it's entirely possible

i just did that last game i was scum in for instance

[Iconeum]

ico, what're your thoughts in the drew v euphony thing?

drew reads like town, euphony i'm not sure

I think kanna was the interesting participant tho

[Iconeum]

can we let them play it out and talk about it later?

[Iconeum]

how's my pepper case on a scale of 1 to dragon?

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pedit: err, other than t

aking the obvious joke post seriously

, what's your case rn?

yes

[Iconeum]

icoooooooo

stop talking in scumchat and give me the caseeeeee

i haz no scumchat

[Iconeum]

it's CoC ofcourse you don't townread me

[Iconeum]

Oh Hectic

that makes a lot of sense lol

[Iconeum]

i think the longer i'm looking back the more i'm townreading ico based on shit i know is NAI and i don't know how i feel about it

ah the classic 'wtf this has to be scum, but it's Ico so it's probably NAI' moments?

[Iconeum]

objectively speaking, to the people who know me, i shouldn't be scum- nor townread at this moment

[Iconeum]

I need to look back at Strawberry to see if Ico was this loose there.

can't compare because i was scum there

[Iconeum]

i think the longer i'm looking back the more i'm townreading ico based on shit i know is NAI and i don't know how i feel about it

ah the classic 'wtf this has to be scum, but it's Ico so it's probably NAI' moments?

it's actually the other classic "wtf this has to be scum, but it's ico and town!ico does that, and realistically it is very nai but i have seen town!ico do that and i want ico to be town with me so we can finally win a game together so it's town" moment.

i wasn't being sarcastic when asking you about my pepper vote and case

is it a stupid vote and case

y/n

[Iconeum]

euphony and drew can be town
datisi can be town

QQ/Pepper/kanna all good votes at this moment

there, pivot around those shotgun reads

[Iconeum]

what do you think about my interaction w pepper on page 7?

u using the kiddy gloves on pepper - his answers still feel evasive and agreeable towards you in what feels to be a pocket attempt or getting you off his back

u using said kiddy gloves can be evaluated depending on what pepper flips x

[Iconeum]

there's probably a stronger case to be made on pepper on that interaction then what I had tho

[Iconeum]

ok im actually mildly shocked you did that but let me just sit on that for a bit

[Iconeum]

Hey Drew, what do you think of Euphony/Iconeum/Datusi?

why are you inquiering about the townblock?

[Iconeum]

Ico Ico Ico <3ngl, my first impression was this was *exactly* how you opened in strawberry. I haven't played with town!ico before though so I'm gonna do some research before making a read (which will be soon). Also very interested to hear about me.

please do and let me know what you find out

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@DoctorPepper

What is your RANK you are at L-1

Do not do this btw, I think we should only get claims from a decided lynch

if we don't do this and not get a claim (rank and role), what is the point of running someone up?

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kanna i'm getting a very pacifistic feeling about you this game

like ur trying to mediate in conflicts, de-escalate situations as it were

do you think that's true?

[Iconeum]

im either very right or very wrong but for everyone else based on schrodinger's cat im both simultaneously so scum beware

so as long as you don't say who your solve is, ur both right and wrong

that means you have to say so we can find out the truth

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or, you know, we could policy lynch you

[Iconeum]

I see you scumread me and Euphony, yet I haven't see you reach out to Euphony a single time to try and get a better read.

Are you that certain of your scumread because of that one (1) post?

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oka i get you're being like that on purpose but just asking people to sheep you on whatever vote you decided to place this time is gonna get old at some point

pepper, what *are* your thoughts on ico?

Scummy (with only a little OMGUS sprinkled in)

If you scumread me, what is the basis of the scumread? You sheeped Oka's vote on me, who also didn't provide any reason for his scumread. And it only came *after* I voted you so...

[Iconeum]

HI ICO

NOW I PROVIDED A REASON FOR MY VOTE WHICH YOU ACKNOWLEDGED

I DEMAND JUSTICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

it's possible i forgot

i'll go see

[Iconeum]

TLDR; I looked through Ico’s meta (Town: Mini Normal 2119, Insect Religion, Scum: Strawberry, Hard Boiled Eggs) and I think this is scum!ico. Scum!Ico focuses on scumreads + feels agendy with pushing (usually on something surface), while town!ico focuses on townreads + feels a lot less agenda-y

Also there is a single direct parallel in strawberry that i find kinda scummy which I didn’t point out at the time (obviously)

VOTE: Iconeum

exciting stuff

[Iconeum]

I want an honest answer from you here:

wrt to Mini 2119: did you read my opening posts, or did you actually go thru all 1.000 posts of me there?

i'll give you more feedback after this answer

[Iconeum]

I'll grant that scum!Ico focuses a lot less on townreads, that's just a fact

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and now that we have established that me having townreads is a big part of townreading me, why are you dismissing/ignoring the fact that I have already established an early townblock to work from?

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HI ICO

NOW I PROVIDED A REASON FOR MY VOTE WHICH YOU ACKNOWLEDGED

I DEMAND JUSTICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

i checked i don't see a reason?

[Iconeum]

i stand by that post

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*pulls out brass knuckles*

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pepper wagon has been an interesting one so far, no regrets

now if I can just get a hold of Kanna wrt to that vote on me ^^

[Iconeum]

oka i nullread you

or better, i have no clue if this is town!you or scum!you

which one is it?

[Iconeum]

do you agree that aldus is prob scum?

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what do you think of Kanna's 'no claim Pepper'

[Iconeum]

I feel like DrP...is a literal player(?) which makes some of the things he says more scummy than it is? Eg, the rolefishing thing earlier, I thought he was rolefishing too but i think from his responses/a readback, he wasn't actually doing that

I think pepper has a good chance of being scum because of what and how he pushed
A scumread on a player because he made a joke about a mod putting scum in certain position in playerlist isn't genuinely coming from town, even 'if you don't think it was a joke'

Even if a player says it seriously, what is scummy about stating that fact?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Iconeum

choo choo counter wagon

p.s. that's l-1

oh look i call you out and you vote me

what a surprise

[Iconeum]

I feel like DrP...is a literal player(?) which makes some of the things he says more scummy than it is? Eg, the rolefishing thing earlier, I thought he was rolefishing too but i think from his responses/a readback, he wasn't actually doing that

I think pepper has a good chance of being scum because of what and how he pushed
A scumread on a player because he made a joke about a mod putting scum in certain position in playerlist isn't genuinely coming from town, even 'if you don't think it was a joke'

Even if a player says it seriously, what is scummy about stating that fact?

This is a terrible take.

I was legit trying to find someone pushing fake content. I don't get why I'm being pushed for this

Because I legit can't see town thinking that reasoning is scum!indicative

[Iconeum]

so we've got Oka, who has given exactly zero reason for his vote on me
Kanna, who says i'm scum!ico because i don't have townreads while I've pushed an early townblock -
aldus, who's reason is choo choo
and pepper, which is just him being salty i'm pushing him

noice

[Iconeum]

i'm voting u cuz i don't see how u can be confident in dr pepper as scum
+kanna's meta read

also if that's what you call "calling me out" then i got news for you

i've literally disproven kanna's meta read -> she says scum!ico doesn't have townreads, and it should be clear that I have townreads?
and i've also been pretty clear on my pepper scumread so yeah

[Iconeum]

how can you say ive given zero reason for my vote on you ???? we just went over this

you mean the part where you said my pepper vote is bad until you said it looks not so bad?

[Iconeum]

I want an honest answer from you here:

wrt to Mini 2119: did you read my opening posts, or did you actually go thru all

1.000

posts of me there?

i'll give you more feedback after this answer

oh nonono. I focused on the earlier posts

and now that we have established that me having townreads is a big part of townreading me, why are you dismissing/ignoring the fact that I have already established an early townblock to work from?

I didn't say scum!you never has townreads, you townblocked me and probably some other people in strawberry, right? I mean you *focus on* on scumreads/pushes which I feel like you're doing with DrP now. It's like the ame/luca tunnel.

my scumreads/pushes as town or scum are nearly identical
it's my townreads that are the allignment indicative parts

[Iconeum]

if i get lynched here, lynch kanna next

trust me

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is it not clear what i mean ?

it looked bad imo because you could've continued momentum, but you chose not to

now that pepper has 4 votes, its hard to pin you down on not creating momentum, but at that moment of voting someone, you chose the "safer" route of not putting qq to l1, which i read as timid

ahhh

well it wasn't clear to me lol

i get that at that time it might have looked as safe, but i've been pretty adamant in pushing pepper and sticking my neck out, as you can see
my pepper scumread is better then my qq scumread which is the only reason my vote is there

[Iconeum]

u didn't disprove it

Kanna: 'scum!ico focuses on pushing scumreads while town!ico focuses on townreads and pushing scumreads', while completely ignoring the fact that i've established an early townblock.

yeah i'm pretty sure it's disproven/bad faith

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dont say that ico

u know full well drew sta isn't going to come out of nowhere and dunk you

speaking of, drew sta is online

i don't care

if i'm quicklynched here, it's just a VT down and my wagon can be analyzed because I guarantee scum are on this

[Iconeum]

if i get lynched here, lynch kanna next

trust me

why kanna specifically and not anyone else on your wagon

i could repeat myself a third time, but you could just read what i'm writing

[Iconeum]

Your posting styles, the lack of grammar and capitalisation, the poor punctuation - my gosh it fucks with my eyes...

Pedit. More dribble for me to sort through and try to understand. Fuck me... /facepalm

you could just quickhammer me and get it over with

[Iconeum]

1.Iconeum - VT
2.Datisi - prob town
3.Kanna - prob scum
4.QuantumQuasar - meh outside shot being scum
5.Euphony (Hectic + shiki) - prob town
6.Alduskkel - could be scum
7.OkaPoka - meh, could be town i guess?
8.Drew-Sta - meh
9.DoctorPepper - prob scum

[Iconeum]

1.Iconeum - VT
2.Datisi - prob town
3.Kanna - prob scum
4.QuantumQuasar - meh outside shot being scum
5.Euphony (Hectic + shiki) - prob town
6.Alduskkel - could be scum
7.OkaPoka - meh, could be town i guess?
8.Drew-Sta - meh
9.DoctorPepper - prob scum

[Iconeum]

logically you should think i'm scummy too but you choose to single out kanna for some reason

if only i'd point out said reason

[Iconeum]

VOTE: aldus

choo

choo

[Iconeum]

ald is doing the scummy thing where he sheeps kanna to 1v1 ico but tries to get ico to 1v1 kanna

i think

either ald/kanna is svs taking turns or ald/kanna is svt where he's burning two slots kinda

if aldus flips scum that's anything by going 1v1 with me directly if they gonna lynch me

so if Aldus/kanna s/s tagteaming me, they'll look bad upon my lynch

t/s for either of them is probably closer to the truth

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no i'm trying to figure out why iconeum said "lynch kanna next" when i should pretty much be equally scummy to icon

and then icon switches votes to me so idk even

town are generally a lot quicker to sheepvote or lolvote, where scum usually find the need to explain their vote in greater detail

you did the sheep/lolvote, kanna did a crappy meta read without taking everything into consideration

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Why do you think they voted you?

99% sure that pepper's vote on me is OMGUS - which is also town indicative on it's own

i've got no problems letting that go for now as it was an early read and it generated a TON of content

[Iconeum]

so why are you voting me now instead?

given the fact that you choo choo'd your way onto my wagon, I don't see any reason to provide more reasons for my own vote on you other then i'm sheeping oka

[Iconeum]

You think I'm scummier than Also but you remove me from L-1 to vote him?Whut?

it's allowed to vote for someone else then your top scumread btw

and for the record, you are not the top of my list anymore as of these last 3 or so pages

[Iconeum]

i think lynching in Aldus/Kanna probably has at least 50% chance of hitting scum

[Iconeum]

Not sure you're right there. I think Kanna is the better option. He's waded in I think, believing you're easy to lynch based on your style and threw stinky bait.

this argument goes for both aldus and kanna

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You're pushing to see who pushes off and you're baiting to see who will bite. It's fucking lazy.

this was wrt to Oka

i disagree it's lazy, i think it's a very effective way to bait out akward votes like Aldus and kanna's

Oka is prob town because he is using it to sort the fish that bit his hook

[Iconeum]

ico/drew/oka/datsi/euph town (ish)

who thinks this is a bad townlist and why?

[Iconeum]

hello this is shiki here

i looked through all of GeorgeBailey's past games and found something i'd like to share

Madoka
bugspray
gobbledygook
Allomancer
Raya36

Looker

JunkoChan
Heaven

Captain the Furret

in his previously modded game, he put scum in the 6th and 9th position. this implies he is more likely to do the same in the game we are currently present in

the list in this game is the one i have pasted below:

Iconeum
Datisi
Kanna
QuantumQuasar
Euphony (Hectic + shiki)

Alduskkel

OkaPoka
Drew-Sta

DoctorPepper

from this limited sample (1), i advise the town look at the names i have highlighted for your convenience

in other news, if this shit is actually legit, i'm a lmao

aldus+pepper lol

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euphony is coming across as free-flowing, funny jokingly yet still producing reads and pushing things

it comes mostly from hectic iirc

don't scumread it and it's good enough for me to be in the townblock at this point

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I think Icon is a good scum player but occasionally has trouble keeping consistent reads (which happened D3 in Autumnal) and I feel like that might be happening in this game too.

fun fact: i'm known for inconsistent reads as either allignment. What happened in Autumnal wasn't exactly inconsistency, it was a lack of options in my town/scumreads that did me in.

[Iconeum]

icon's unashamed self-metaing is throwing me off

it's the looks, don't deny it

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icon's unashamed self-metaing is throwing me off

pfff your poking on me is getting old

'unashamed'? i'm only defending myself from wrong (on purpose or not) use of my meta to push me

[Iconeum]

a worthy mod

i like it

[Iconeum]

Well, first it seemed like Kanna and I were about equally scummy to Icon (circa pages 13 and 14 or so). Then Icon said "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next" (page 15) which implies Kanna is scummier than me. This is also seen in the reads list later on that page where Kanna is "prob scum" but I'm just "could be scum." Icon then goes on to vote me and says 1 of me and Kanna is scum but probably not both. So why did Icon feel confident enough to say "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next"? That could potentially lead to two town lynches in a row from town-Icon's perspective. If Icon really thinks that one of Kanna and I are scum, then it should be trying to sort which one is the scum, which I don't think is happening. I also don't think it made sense to call Kanna scummier but then switch votes to me -- maybe scum Icon saw me as the easier target?

i think this entire paragraph can be cut down to:

ico voted aldus despite having a slightly larger or more expressed scumread in kanna therefore this is ico!scum

which is identical to:

You think I'm scummier than Also but you remove me from L-1 to vote him?Whut?

[Iconeum]

Your reasons for picking me as scum looks like scum faking activity and looking for a reason to lynch someone, so there

->I think ur scum because you look like scum faking activity on the first thing that looks or sounds illogical and will take any reason to lynch someone, especially seeing how you never got around to sorting the slot

Pepper, if I used this reasoning to explain why I think ur scum, what would you say to that?

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Not directly, but I've asked Kanna about it

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kanna i'm getting a very pacifistic feeling about you this game

like ur trying to mediate in conflicts, de-escalate situations as it were

do you think that's true?

@datisi, this one

i'm not even sure i've gotten a response to it, got sidetracked by something

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if i get lynched here, lynch kanna next

trust me

Looking back, the overconfidence here does ping me a bit actually. How much of this was driven by emotion at the time, Ico?

}{+~ Hectic

in the midst of that 1v1 / 2v1? most of my posts there were ++emotion

[Iconeum]

Your reasons for picking me as scum looks like scum faking activity and looking for a reason to lynch someone, so there

->I think ur scum because you look like scum faking activity on the first thing that looks or sounds illogical and will take any reason to lynch someone, especially seeing how you never got around to sorting the slot

Pepper, if I used this reasoning to explain why I think ur scum, what would you say to that?

Well it sounds like a discredit

How was that faking activity when it was the first thing on the game?

If anything, the original post was the fake activity because if it was a joke then it did nothing to move the game phase and if it was serious then it was a bad push.

And worse, taking an obv joke seriously is a reason to scum read someone now?

for the last time, the essence is NOT the fact you took a joke seriously
I never pushed you on 'omg you took that joke seriously you must be scum', or that was never my intent

[Iconeum]

. A lot of the game feels. Fluffy to me

have you read the last 12 or so pages?

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@Ico: do you still have the same opinion on everything? Why did you claim?

I'm re-evaluating because last vote count shows that the 3 votes on my wagon are also literally my 3 scumreads. There may be some bias involved.

My townreads are unchanged. Also still relatively confident of scum in you/aldus, just probably not the both of you. Unsure what to make about you using that meta is 'out of her scum range'. We'll see.

Why claim? Because it advances the game. I believe anyone who gets pushed to L-1 should claim.

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Unless I'm being completely blind here, Euph is 60-40 fluff to post and most of the post is based on me. Isn't it a thing where the fluff obfuscates the content? Anyway, you have been jokey but I feel like your pushes are genuine. And you're not content on just scum reading anyone (i.e. me) I think you're genuinely here to read me. Euph doesn't have the same feel for me. That last one they were asking me why I took their joke seriously even after we talked about me not liking the joke and it being the catalyst of our discussion now. Fluff is scummy to me because I'm fluffy as scummy. I mean I get having fun as a hydra and fluff posting, hell I do that too with my old hydras, but the ratio seems off

so fluff is only scummy when it's convenient for you to push someone on, and can be null or townie depending on the situation like with datisi?

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you don't think ico's AtE is genuine? @drpepper

No.

I don't think AtE is Towny either

I literally think ur scum here. You have expressed several scumreads this game so far, and you have not bothered to sort a single one of them. You just go 'this is scum, and then vote there'. No interaction to further sort. No intention to double-check for errors.

You just vote and tunnel. It's scum behaviour.

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fluff = posts that don't advance the game in any way

asking game related questions is not fluff, responding to people about the game is not fluff, like idk what your definition of fluff is but

Fluff can be posts that are just there to look like activity.

I can't seem to find a lot of activity unless it's the line of questioning on me right now

there's about 60 posts on the slot. Go through them and put the numbers of the fluff posts here. You keep attempting to discredit a slot that is townread, without trying to actually back it.

Datisi says it's under 20% fluff, and even there you argue. Prove it.

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I feel like we haven't discussed kanna enough. He has also ignored my vote on him and the posts I've formulated on him. I believe this is avoiding an issue, given he's effectively gone through and answered other posts.

I think there's at least 1 bad faith vote/push on me.

Oka probably isn't it, because he used it to advance game by analyzing who followed him and why and is sorting because of it.

Aldus has failed to provide any kind of townie reason to scumread me, and was the one to L-1 me i think. Is reacting very defensively now that pressure backfired, but admittedely i'm also guilty on that.

Kanna otoh, did a meta push on me which I disagree with and I have a hard time figuring out it was just eager town who thought she found something, or scum intentionally ignoring parts of it.

[Iconeum]

Not sure. I'd give Aldus more credit for a sheep vote as town if he only would have acknowledged that it was just that: a sheep/lol vote to L-1. His insistance that it's an actual scumread makes me believe he is possibly scum.

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otoh, i'm fully supportive of a kanna lynch here because all that has been said

[Iconeum]

@Ico; I’m taking it you found my meta read “unfair”/“misrep” etc. Remind me what you found unfair please

that you came to the conclusion that scum!ico focuses a lot more on 'just' scumreads whereas town!ico is a lot easier to include/make townreads
I agreed with that meta, but your conclusion that i'm scum this game because of this meta is at the very least disingenious.

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Not sure. I'd give Aldus more credit for a sheep vote as town if he only would have acknowledged that it was just that: a sheep/lol vote to L-1. His insistance that it's an actual scumread makes me believe he is possibly scum.

Not sure. I'd give Aldus more credit for a sheep vote as town if he only would have acknowledged that it was just that: a sheep/lol vote to L-1. His insistance that it's an actual scumread makes me believe he is possibly scum.

+1

Aldus is a lot scummier, whereas kanna might be misguided town

Can you point me to the posts where you make your case on Ald? My eyes sting after a day of laptop use for work.

Please and thanks.

Well you quoted the core of the aldus case here

[Iconeum]

@Drew, there's also the part where Aldus builds on the meta argument from Kanna, and that similar to a previous scumgame of mine, my reads this game have been inconsistent in a similar fashion to that scumgame. Datisi has fought against this argument

[Iconeum]

Hmm, that might actually be more scum!indicative of Aldus then of Kanna (the meta argument).

[Iconeum]

at the very least disingenious.

Disingenuous means I don’t believe in it, yes? Why is that so? I saw flashbacks of the Ame tunnel wrt to RVS, a Luca tunnel for scumreading you, I think, and a clidd tunnel for clidd’s style

You were talking about my meta
My town meta includes townreads, my scum meta a lot less so (your take away from it IIRC). I clearly have had townreads this game, and kept building on them. You still came to scum!Ico conclusion despite of this.

This is my main issue.

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I saw flashbacks of the Ame tunnel wrt to RVS, a Luca tunnel for scumreading you, I think, and a clidd tunnel for clidd’s style

I strongly believe that my tunnels/pushes are relatively NAI. I've been caught out on superficial pushes as scum, but I make them as town just as easily.

If there is 1 strong side on my scumgame, then I think it's my ability to make equally crappy cases as town and as scum.

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@drew, I suggest you read the second half of Aldus ISO. It's not that much. See how and why he votes/pushes me.

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Can you link me to a town!game where you tunnel/feel you play like you do here?

Micro 892: TL micro maf

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My takeaway was actually that you feel a lot more agenda-y as scum (focusing on pushes, scumreads, tunnels) and you feel less agendy as town (so, not that). The townreads was just a bonus even though it was true as well

Actually I think my main weakness as scum is a lack of agenda/plan
I have never had a scumgame where the pushes/mislynches were planned out that I can remember. Even if it feels agenda-y, I don't know where that comes from.

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you want to see if i've ever deathtunnelled as town?

are you sure?

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in that case, your entire meta argument is literally only

'scum!ico has agenda, town!ico doesn't'

lol

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@ico - AtE by Kanna in 534?

NAI

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ico, why do you think your play in 892 is similar to your play here?

i'm really really not gonna compare my own games and see if i'm playing alike

feel free tho

also i had a very specific game in mind when I wanted to show a deathtunnel to Kanna, but i reread parts of it and i'm not sure it qualifies

do you remember 1942?

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Aside from being an oversimplification, you're omitting the fact that your level of confidence was unjustified when from a town perspective you should have more to investigate to avoid mislynches.

If this is your take on my case, then what do you make of DrPepper? You unvote him and say he can be townie, but if anything, I've been interacting and talking to people to sort whereas it's DrPeppermint who's completely not engaging with scumreads to sort/avoid mislynches.

Why apply this to me, but not Pepper?

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i agree that its pretty bad play and too incriminating for ald to push ico like that

and for him to realize that too i think makes it less likely?

idk maybe if i really want to tinfoil, he did a bad push on purpose /shrug

nah, he probably didn't predict the fallout from putting me on L-1
it wasn't bad play, but it turned out to be incriminating so i don't think that points to town!aldus

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Lynch ICO, Euph is fluffy, Aldus is town

lynch town, shade Euph, and call scum town

that's an unpopular opinion alright

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hmm fair enough

@kanna, can you reread my iso, or like the first half? Do you honestly see me deathtunneling DrP here?

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Discredit away but hey, these are genuine beliefs

Do you think you have done effort in actually sorting me, or are you just scumreading me and voting me therefore?

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Do you think I have been trying to sort townreads and scumreads (albeit faked or not)?

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there's a point to these questions, just answer and stand by thanks

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I don't think i've called you or your play lazy?

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You have your set townblock and scum reads and your line of questioning actually doesn't switch that much as it more or less confirms your own beliefs.

So you don't think i've been trying to sort, and that I just voted and be done with it?

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you don't think ico's AtE is genuine? @drpepper

No.

I don't think AtE is Towny either

I literally think ur scum here. You have expressed several scumreads this game so far, and you have not bothered to sort a single one of them. You just go 'this is scum, and then vote there'. No interaction to further sort. No intention to double-check for errors.

You just vote and tunnel. It's scum behaviour.

This is kind of an implication that it's lazy noh?

I mean I think it's lazy

You can say it's scum but it's right there

Nah, it's definitely not calling you lazy. I didn't scumread you because I thought you were being lazy. Rather that you intentionally were not sorting town and scumreads, which is a scumtell.

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At best that's NAI don't you think? Or at least indicative of playstyle and not of scummy behavior?

no i think it's a scumtell

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I mean after a quick glance of your ISO, aside from meta reads you have just had your initial reads, you have been using your line of posting more to convince yourself or this town of your scum reads rather than sorting themWhich is like me with extra steps is what I'm sayingLike the engagement isn't there to prove or disprove your claims, it is there to validate what you are already thinking. My issues with that is that if that's what I'm doing (and the behavior you are accusing me of as scummy), then it's coming from a familliar place

that's a bit of a misrep, no?

I've already said that my scumread on you has dropped down, while you were my Numero Uno scumread before. I came back from hard scumreading Kanna (a day later, when the emotions from directly engaging weren't there), and i've been trying to sort in kanna/aldus to see what's going on there.

And right now I'm less sure about Aldus, because of a specific post he made.

So no, I don't agree that I'm holding on to my initial reads.

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Because you're assuming there's one way to play town and that's to constantly push reads in a way you're familliar with

Hell, I'd play like this as either alignment and it's kind of an active effort because I'm acknowledging my meta before this was really shit

I think it's fair to assume most players play a certain way as town, and that it's easy/natural to scumread others for having a different style. I'm not oblivious to this.

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actually since nobody has commented on this yet

are you guys not irked by QQ's l1 post?

i've definitely ignored it

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Pressuring Aldus has had a strange effect: I think his most recent posts have actually been pretty townie in both tone and content. His putting me on L-1 and explanations and follow up there still feel like scum, but being pressured and then posting like this makes me hesitate.

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VOTE: QQ

guide me to victory, senpoka

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the metadiscussion this game had has you as a player prone to tunneling.

yes

a player

not scum

not town

a player

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don't be silly

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which one?

572

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And it should be NAI because I'd do the same regardless of alignment.

If you use that as a means of defending yourself, why are you not taking my tunneling as NAI into account but rather as a means to scumread me?

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but I do think that these interactions have been solidifying my reads

what interactions have solidified which reads?

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I mean after a quick glance of your ISO, aside from meta reads you have just had your initial reads, you have been using your line of posting more to convince yourself or this town of your scum reads rather than sorting them

Are you standing behind this statement that i've never had more then my initial reads?

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P-Edit: That I still think you're scum

can you put in a few words *why* you actually scumread me?

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I'm saying you say you soften up your scum reads or vary their scumminess but your town block is solid

my initial scumread was you

i moved on to kanna and aldus, then I tried to sort between them

then i moved on to QQ

I townread certain people, that hasn't changed sure

how, the fuck, did my reads not evolve

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I'm saying you say you soften up your scum reads or vary their scumminess but your town block is solid

and this is why you scumread me? because i have townreads that haven't changed and because i have scumreads that evolved?

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but I do think that these interactions have been solidifying my reads

what interactions have solidified which reads?

i want this answered tho

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P-Edit: That I still think you're scum
But maybe I do agree with you on this
VOTE: Quantum

this is totally not creepy

you still think i'm scum
but you agree with me that QQ is scum
so you vote alongside with me on QQ

UNVOTE:
VOTE: drpepper

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Datisi it's time for you to show some colour and be a little more straightforward with your view on this game

got any juice?

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pepper why are you comortable voting alongside me if you are that sure i'm scum

do you think it's me with QQ?

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but I do think that these interactions have been solidifying my reads

what interactions have solidified which reads?

i want this answered tho

having trouble answering this?

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P-Edit: my scum read on you is the answer to 651.

what does this mean?

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Our engagement has me thinking you are scum, that read is solidified

But you do raise a valuable point hence I considered my read on dats seeing as you have a similar read as him on me and our interactions are the same. Thus either I could be wrong town reading one and scum reading the other.

Initially this is why I was willing to move to QQ so I could evaluate that bit hey, you're being so insistent I think we won't be proven right or wrong til we see a flip from either of us

i have both Oka and Datisi in my townblock, and you are hammering me on it
and in your other hand you also have Oka and datisi as town

but giving me crap about 'not evolving' my townreads

get real or get out

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pepper, I think your scumread on me consists of 2 things:

1) I haven't changed my townreads
2) OMGUS for voting and pushing you

is there more to it?

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1. I'm saying I want to reevaluate my read because I admit it's weird for me to scum read you and town read dats even if you are functionally the same with your interactions with me
2. I say it's weird that you claim your reads are evolving when you're just switching around the position of scum in your reads

How have your reads evolved this game?

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Does there need to be more?

2 is an oversimplification don't you think? You're painting it as mere OMGUS for scum reading me when I feel like it's because the push on me is disingenuous

you haven't changed any of your scum- nor your townreads

yet you push me on exactly that

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1. I'm saying I want to reevaluate my read because I admit it's weird for me to scum read you and town read dats even if you are functionally the same with your interactions with me
2. I say it's weird that you claim your reads are evolving when you're just switching around the position of scum in your reads

How have your reads evolved this game?

You are literally quoting a post that has me wanting to reevaluate a read because I can't scum read a player and town read another for acting the same way

wanting to do something and actually doing them are 2 very different things

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Does there need to be more?

2 is an oversimplification don't you think? You're painting it as mere OMGUS for scum reading me when I feel like it's because the push on me is disingenuous

so you admit this?

it's literally me not having changed my townreads and OMGUS for the case on you

the line between thinking it's a fake push and OMGUS is silky thin

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but calls my push on him disingenious

that's actually hilarious

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Pepper aside from 'wanting to change your reads', have you actually done so over the course of this game?

Because you are pushing me for not having done so, while I actually have. And you are the one who didn't.

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Iconeum (3): Kanna, Alduskkel, DoctorPepper

I can literally reek the scum being on my wagon, just not exactly sure which one it is

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Let's admit it, this 5 page discussion we have had has done nothing but solidified our unchanging positions on each other.

believe it or not, i've actualy bothered to try and sort you this game
i actually tried to see town!you here

you are the one who has refused to work with me and re-evaluate on every step of the way

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Ico: 'votes Pepper and pushes'
Pepper: 'ico is scum'
Ico: 'unvotes Pepper pushes Aldus says pepper might be town'
Pepper: 'yeah ico is scum because his reads aren't changing'

i think this is actually pretty accurate

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I wanna try to get something of QQ or at least understand why I read you and Dats differently. But maybe we can't get to do that because we keep devolving into this argument that leads to nowhere

I know exactly why you scumread me and townread Datisi

it's called OMGUS

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Yeah this is a discredit
You aren't saying Pepper might be town more so as Aldus is scummier

hmm?

Why do you think they voted you?

99% sure that pepper's vote on me is OMGUS - which is also town indicative on it's own

i've got no problems letting that go for now as it was an early read and it generated a TON of content

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pedit: can i please post this

this game needs more gifs

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Ico, look I think that whatever argument we have isn't actually benefitting town if we are both town

You might claim this as me not being able to take the heat but let's admit it and cut our losses, our 5 page argument has not changed each other's minds

We can resolve to ensuring the other gets lynched today so town move on or we try to look differently because if we are both town then this game is stalling.

What's it gonna be?

UNVOTE:

sure let's call a truce for now

i demand a gif war later on to settle this tho

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Datisi it's time for you to show some colour and be a little more straightforward with your view on this game

got any juice?

do you think i'm not? that i'm hiding something?

i think i've been very straighforward this game but i don't think i have The Juice

- i think QQ is town both because of their posts and because of The Gamestate(tm)
- by play i think all of euph/oka/ico are town
- drew has Deepwolf Potental but i have absolutely nothing to base that on other than paranoia
- i was thinking scum is in pepper/kanna/aldus but i'm getting less sure of aldus, kanna can kinda still be it i guess but i don't exactly know how to read her, pepper is being reactive and is i think still my best bet for scum but

this game Feels Very Wrong
you know how in a dream when you try to run and you feel 10 times heavier and you're barely moving
that's how this game feels
it's not Moving as it Should Be and i don't know what to make of it

pedit: holy fuck yall are busy

I don't think you were really obvious about your reads yet
Agree on the townblock, but my paranoia extends beyond Drew



pepper/kanna/aldus is my scumblock as well, but that's the exact composition of my wagon and I don't know what to make of that
seems kinda strange to park both scum there?

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@datisi do you remember any game we played together where our early reads were alligning like this?

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what do you think icoare you actually scum this game?

if i'm scum i don't have to think about it

but no

i'm not scum

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thank god i don't have the strenght or will to fight you as well today

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i thought you had me in The Townblocc, and you're suddenly paranoid of me?

oh ye ico you didn't answer this

i'm not *suddenly* paranoid of you

i'm literally *Always* paranoid of you

I know that feeling is Mutual so suck it

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lowkey thinking about policying QQ because i'm too stupid for this game

someone give me the spiciest take you have

the most moonlogicy one i don't care

you asked for it

scum are laying back watching me fight against other town while they are talking about the mislynch buffet

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QQ/Drew in that case

everyone else at least feels very involved at this time

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spicey

also, @pepper, that's specifically talking about scenario's currently not really on the table
the moonlogicy one datisi asked about

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please dont take that as my actual current read on the game

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VOTE: Drew

i'm not endorsing a push on a slot that's been defending me so far

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my

weekend vla

is starting about now

we have a holiday here in our fine country tomorrow

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i'll be around to

quickhammer

advance the game

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yall thinkz i'm acdtually scumm heer is lolwrongk

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Anyone want kanna over pepper?

Drew have we played before?

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Anyone want kanna over pepper?

Drew have we played before?

Not sure.

Also, I was on Kanna from the start. Why are you doing this now when I asked literally pages ago to consider it? This is not a consistent approach.

Because it's insistence that im scum despite lit everyone telling her they don't se thé resemblence is pinging me

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Theres also over 3! Whole days left

No rush

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VOTE: kanna

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Anyone want kanna over pepper?

Drew have we played before?

Not sure.

Also, I was on Kanna from the start. Why are you doing this now when I asked literally pages ago to consider it? This is not a consistent approach.

Explain this

Because you re thé inconsistent one here

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Yeah we can do kanna now

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Kanna is thé one doing'the deathtunneling here

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Yes

Theres not a drop of reconsideration and a ton of ignoring other opinions despite asking thema

It's literlly doing what She is accusing me of

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I’m happy to restock my vote on Kanna but I want it noted that I think Ico’s flip flop is concerning.

UNVOTE: DrP
VOTE: Kanna

I am on my weekend so likely won’t be on a whole lot. A few things to respond to so I apologise in advance to Dats and Ico for having to wait.

That's twice you say my Flip flop is strange

While you just asked me to do that

Why is that?

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I've re-read iconeums posts and he's super defensive since the beginning versus trusting the chain of command.

Bruh what

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QQ do you realize how bad your play is for town here?

Can you conform you know rank is unnaffected bynallignment

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QQ woke up since kanna votes

Drew pushing me to'take a look at kanna and then freaking out when i do is ehm strange?

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Well since DoctorPepper said he is Ensign and I trust the structure to win for town, therefore my vote for iconeum remains unchanged.

You are of course you have freedom of speech according to the first amendment of the Constitution and you are entitled, if not privileged, to have your opinion according to the rule of law but in under no circumstances would I allow anyone in this town be attacked indiscriminately. Let the record stand clear and in light of this.

Be advised that you are responsible for each other in the eyes of everyone.

Are you this dense?

I claimde VT prior to pepper

Fuck off or prepare your ass

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Well since DoctorPepper said he is Ensign and I trust the structure to win for town, therefore my vote for iconeum remains unchanged.

You are of course you have freedom of speech according to the first amendment of the Constitution and you are entitled, if not privileged, to have your opinion according to the rule of law but in under no circumstances would I allow anyone in this town be attacked indiscriminately. Let the record stand clear and in light of this.

Be advised that you are responsible for each other in the eyes of everyone.

I wont allow you to hide bevind this role play and not talk about ctual content

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ico, you need to claim Ensign. that way you're a part of the ChAiN oF CoMmAnD and are therefore confirmed Town. because that is obviously how this setup works.

I zee

Ok i hard claim
Night three rOse

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UNVOTE:

i think euph is town tho

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VOTE: drpepper

Drew we can fight tomorrow

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Drew

Im being pushed for'being scum by kanna, main reason im in my deathtunnel meta
You think im scum for being al over thé place

What do you think of that?

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Pepper

Why do you think it s a scumtell to'push you?

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Kanna

If you think im scum for deathtunnel meta

What do you think of fdrew falling me out for Flip flop Ping and being all over thé place?

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Pepper

Why do you think it s a scumtell to'push you?

This is a huge misrep.

The scumtells isn't scum reading me, it's how flimsy the reasons are

do you consider your reasons to scumread me are equally flimsy?

ie: not switching or evolving townreads IIRC? There wasnt anything else but this IIRC

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pepper did you ever re-evaluate your opinion on Dats/me wrt to how you are reading us?

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UNVOTE:

unsure for now

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drew

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also i'm a sucker for AtE

you don't get townie vibes from pepper posts recently ?