Micro 935 | Chain of Command | Game Over!

[Datisi]

Let's all VOTE: Iconeum for an

iconic

Day 1 lynch!

[Datisi]

And what does that tell us?

[Datisi]

not noteworthy enough for a vote?

[Datisi]

VOTE: doctorpepper

The scum being in those positions thing was obviously a joke. Also don't rolefish kids.

[Datisi]

ok i see kanna has explained the famous "getting VT claims shrinks the PR pool". thanks.

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Question to anyone familiar with the setup: how different will this be from a different mafia game? In particular I'm not sure how to play around the potential alternate mafia win condition where they win if all commanders are town and they all die, other than that it seems like we don't want the entire command structure to claim.

hello i have played this once. differences are role =/= alignment and all the PRs are in control of one person whose alignment also isn't known so once PRs start claiming their orders that's a fun wifom game.

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shiki, i find it a bit surprising you haven't mentioned my opening (which has been used in multiple games of mine), how come?

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ok, they're casting a shadow. why aren't you voting them then?

[Datisi]

zzz

ok, they're casting a shadow. why aren't you voting them then?

this was @drew if that was unclear

[Datisi]

hmmm this game is slow

Hot Takes™:

• kanna and euphony are town
  
• alduskkel is slightly slightly more likely town than random
  
• okapoka has done nothing AI so far
  
• doctorpepper is more likely scum than random

Facts™:

• i am very sad iconeum hasn't posted yet

someone engage me i'm bored and i wanna solve

[Datisi]

a combination of gut(tm) and his one (1) post doesn't strike me as tryhard/efforting that i would expect of scum!aldus

perfectly aware this read could be bs but i'm feeling it so

[Datisi]

i thought i knew the games that aldus played since he came back, i don't remember him rolling mason. what game was that?

honestly? i don't know what i think. i think shiki is towny in what she's doing. i understand drew's possible confusion/frustration because i've been in that exact spot a few games back but i don't know if i can in good faith call his reaction towny. that's sorta why i was hoping to get discussion going on Other Things, i'm haying a mental block with that.

[Datisi]

it feels defensive, but again i just can't in good faith slap a read on that one way or the other.

i completely forgot about that game, oops. and ye, i've changed it twice now, i'm trying out different sizes. i want a new avi but i'm not sure exactly which one.

[Datisi]

listen hERE YOU LITTLE SHIT

[Datisi]

hmmm there should be something alignment indicative for euphony, dr pepper, and drew-sta, but i haven't figured it out yet

have you got anything alignment indicative for other players

[Datisi]

damn

did i miss the previous game

these interactions make me feel dumb

all the context you need is this quote:

How to find scum in a Datisi game:

lynch her townreads

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hmmm there should be something alignment indicative for euphony, dr pepper, and drew-sta, but i haven't figured it out yet

have you got anything alignment indicative for other players

Are you a datu?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datu?

[Datisi]

The most silent is the most suspect given the circumstances.

Not quite, Iconeum is V/LA on weekends.

Do you have anyone else you suspect?

[Datisi]

What makes you think scum isn't in the active players?

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Doesn't seem like scum trying to be active

ah sorry, misread this as ^^ "doesn't seem scum is in the active players"

do you have opinions we can jam about of people other than Drew (and obviously QQ)? i'm still pretty puzzled by Drew.

[Datisi]

agree with Kanna, why Oka? OkaPoka and Kanna are somewhat conflicting, opinion on that?

sorry I'm kinda ~grilling~ you here, but I'm still somewhat unsure where to start with this game

[Datisi]

so Oka read is because your QQ views align? what about Kanna then?

i think i have a somewhat good read of ico, but he's always v/la on weekends, so.

does that mean you get something off of me?

[Datisi]

do you think i'm more likely scum for disagreeing with you?

i don't think i care enough to go convincing you otherwise? meaning my current read on euphony stems from playing with shiki twice and their posting so far is ~similar enough~ to their towngame to townbin them for the time being. (note that i have a terrible read rate of hectic, so.)

i was hoping to in the meantime be able to get a few stronger reads, because i kinda need them to feel engaged with the game, but i don't think anyone has particularly towntold or scumtold so far.

[Datisi]

hah, that's funny, i thought you were making a bad push on something that was obviously a joke. maybe i'm just used to hectic's sense of humor.

and now i don't even think you're a good vote. but also i'm not sure if anyone else is. will relook this game later. It all feels like mud right now.

UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

Dats are you so hesitant to vote? I mean hell, why don't you vote me?

i'm not? i've been voting pepper up until a few posts ago. i've liked his interaction wtih me so right now i don't have a good place for a vote. that's why i said, the whole game feels like mud. everyone right now is some sorta mixture of null-to-town and i don't have a vote i believe in. that's why i said, i need a bit of a break from the game and to relook at it, because i'm obviously going wrong somewhere.

[Datisi]

sure.

VOTE: QuantumQuasar

[Datisi]

ask and you shall receive.

[Datisi]

ok im actually mildly shocked you did that but let me just sit on that for a bit

have you done this by now?

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@Datisi, what do you think of Oka's entrance?

absolutely nothing

i know you're thinking "mena pretended to be a newbie in his opening in another game and he was scum" but i think that's just a "menalque thing" rather than a "scum thing"

and i think connecting that to

oka

is misguided at best, disingenuous at worst

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VOTE: doctorpepper

The scum being in those positions thing was obviously a joke. Also don't rolefish kids.

please be town

thanks

i am town

you're welcome

also hi dragon how we doing

i'm still not sure where to vote

pls helb

[Datisi]

In other news, vote Iconeum obvious afk player 1 the usual shebang.

this is so low-effort and pingy to me that i think i just wanny lynch you today

fortunately for you the other scum will get peppered first

lol ico

[Datisi]

ico, what're your thoughts in the drew v euphony thing?

[Datisi]

define ~interesting~?

[Datisi]

sure

i think the problem with this game is that there's a few things that are being "let played out" but they're not happening and the game is not progressing

at some point i'll start pushing shit probably

pedit: err, other than taking the obvious joke post seriously, what's your case rn?

[Datisi]

icoooooooo

stop talking in scumchat and give me the caseeeeee

[Datisi]

i am Not townreading you rn ic

that makes me sad

[Datisi]

lmao ic

ico

i should go back to calling you icon

[Datisi]

piss off i was TRing you day 1 in the og CoC

[Datisi]

i think the longer i'm looking back the more i'm townreading ico based on shit i know is NAI and i don't know how i feel about it

[Datisi]

i think the longer i'm looking back the more i'm townreading ico based on shit i know is NAI and i don't know how i feel about it

ah the classic 'wtf this has to be scum, but it's Ico so it's probably NAI' moments?

it's actually the other classic "wtf this has to be scum, but it's ico and town!ico does that, and realistically it is very nai but i have seen town!ico do that and i want ico to be town with me so we can finally win a game together so it's town" moment.

[Datisi]

i feel like i'm supposed to have at least one strong read by now that i'm able to pivot around, but i don't have it and it's fucking with me

[Datisi]

i wasn't being sarcastic when asking you about my pepper vote and case

is it a stupid vote and case

y/n

it's not a stupid vote/case, as, as it was just pointed out, i also kinda dislike his posts around you once you started posting

but i'm also perfectly aware that someone could theoretically take hectic's joke seriously

what do you think about my interaction w pepper on page 7?

[Datisi]

ye ok sure let's see it

VOTE: drpepper

[Datisi]

Oka and Ico: ask Datisi to vote someone Datisi: does it Oka and Ico:

(this took me almost 10 minutes fucc this code)

[Datisi]

oka i get you're being like that on purpose but just asking people to sheep you on whatever vote you decided to place this time is gonna get old at some point

pepper, what *are* your thoughts on ico?

[Datisi]

oh boy oh boy pray tell

[Datisi]

i'm mostly annoyed but also wanna see if you're gonna call dats/ico

[Datisi]

i'm annoyed at you making yourself unreadable in a game where all my reads already feel weak as fuck

[Datisi]

you're "transparent" in a sense you keep asking people to vote then 50/50 hugging them or doing a surprise pikachu when they do

i can't read that, sorry

[Datisi]

why are you voting for drpepper if you think others are better votes?

Also that is L-1 for anyone present

[Datisi]

Had a lot of work, Datisi and Euphony you should consider falling in line because this is all going to make sense very fast

more order

not sure what you're trying to tell me?

[Datisi]

@Datisi, where have you seen "town!ico do this"?

push things early game? idk, i think like every game that i have played with him. that's why i said, i'm aware that what he's doing is NAI. i just want us to be town together.

however, i have noticed one (1) posting that i think is town!indicative for ico. so yeet.

what's your reads on other players present?

[Datisi]

what structure are you talking about?

[Datisi]

so you're voting drpepper even though you think he's town?

[Datisi]

I think you should focus less on "ranks" and more on actually sorting people? Ranks aren't correlated with alignments.

[Datisi]

oh look things are actually happening that's lovely

@Datisi: What's your read on Icon? I feel it's still within the scumrange we saw in Autumnal Mafia. I think Icon is a good scum player but occasionally has trouble keeping consistent reads (which happened D3 in Autumnal) and I feel like that might be happening in this game too.

i would agree with you that ico isn't "out of his scumrange", but so far i don't think literally anyone is

uhh, i'm a bit worried about the whole "look i'm sticking my neck out look i have townreads" because i saw that in strawberry but i don't know if that's scum indicative or getting heat early indicative

i think overall town still? i'd have to check that part but ye

[Datisi]

well, who are you scumreading dats?

that's the big question, ain't it

hold i'm rereading the last few pages, wanna ask ico while he's here, you ever got into why kanna was the more interesting participant?

[Datisi]

oh ye, aldus, what do you mean by ico having inconsistent reads here?

[Datisi]

VOTE: alduskkel

[Datisi]

ok that's not a super helpful reaction

anyway

i think ico's been ~consistent~ in a sense that he keeps going about adlus/kanna - and he voted you right after oka *asked* him to vote you. also comparing this as "inconsistent" the same way he was in autumnal is lowkey no - in autumnal he'd go from "oh wow menalque is so town and is tunnelling and i'm doing the same thing to mena" to "lol mena scum lynch pls" in like 2-3 posts? i think on the contrary he's been p consistent here.

also that last sentence rubs me the wrong way because it kinda assumes ico is scum and then tries to evaluate his actions fro there instead of vice versa.

also also what i started typing in 404 but erased it because i thought i might wait for more answers is that you seem kinda more flaccid and/or uninterested in the game? though i was willing to partly look past that because it is a somewhat slow game. anyway.

[Datisi]

how does assuming ico is scum and then evaluating his actions from there make me scummy? maybe i'm just confbiasing or something

because a towny thought process is "hey a person did a thing" -> "is person town or scum because of it"
and you're going "person is scum" -> "this thing that they did means this"

i.e. not "ico voted me" -> "does that vote and its circumstances make him scum or town?"
but "ico is scum" -> "he is voting me because i'm an easier target"

it's not scumhunting

it's bad-faith painting

which yes i know you've said "ico finds kanna more scum than me" but that in of itself is ehhhh because town doesn't always have their vote on their biggest scumread so like

[Datisi]

ehh, i am sorta fine with ico's proposed 389

i was originally gonna wait for ico to respond to me about kanna to see where i vote (because i am grwing suspicious of her) but your 406 gave me a bad vibe overall (other than what i've already pointed out) so here we are

[Datisi]

okay

what reads have you got from there?

[Datisi]

wanna ask ico while he's here, you ever got into why kanna was the more interesting participant?

ico can you answer this?

and sidenote, aldus pls use post tags thank you

[Datisi]

i might go to bed at a reasonable time today

kanna when you return can you give me your readslist? ty ty

[Datisi]

I went to bed at a reasonable time and now i can't sleep

Don't like 349 as a way to justify his L-1 - part of the reason the game was slow was because Aldu was pretty inactive. I agree with Datisi regarding the consistency thing on Ico. Spotting that Drew-Sta thing in 416 pretty towny though.

Why is 364 towny, Aldu?

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

----> Hectic

Why is the 364 link broken, Hectic? It doesn't lead to the 364 in this thread.

[Datisi]

oh wait, you included a space in the post tag and that broke it. lmao i almost got excited.

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i was hoping for a "yeah, that links to a post in the scum pt, i slipped, goddamn datisi you're too good, just lynch us now"

i mean i am missing a few steps here i think but hope is a nice thing to have, would've been nice to snipe a deepwolf like that

[Datisi]

yeah, i'm fairly certain that scumchat broke the record of "the longest two-person scum PT" lol

anyway, can you talk more about your feelings on kanna? other than the "scum!kanna has never done meta research"

[Datisi]

why does the joke bother you, pepper?

[Datisi]

i don't like using "no u" but

there's been more content since you last posted, both from euphony and from others, which you barely touch on

you're complaining about *that singluar post* not advancing the gamestate when they've advanced the gamestate much more than you have

so like lol why

[Datisi]

oh, is the "datu" nickname gonna actually stick lmao

opinion on aldus?

also how is that post white knighting actually

[Datisi]

ok boomer

[Datisi]

anything from dat or dats to denni dasani darius (yes i've been called all of those before) works really

just thought it was kinda funny for some reason as my name doesn't have an u (listen i've been in bed for 6 hours now staring at the ceiling dead tired unable to sleep, my sense of humour gets degenerated even more than usual)

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uhhh lmao ico/euph are my stronger townreads?

ico the fact is i've played a lot of games with him and he seems Just Town? he's got a Townblocc(tm) and is going through PoE and his reads make sense to me, and there's just enough "wtf is this shit ico" posts that i don't think he'd be faking so

euph you say "fluff is scummy" but like
80 posts of content and 10 posts of fluff are arguably much better than just 20 posts of content

i've played with hectic and he jokes around. like okay. cool. but why fluff is usually scummy is when it's offered instead of game advancing content not on the side of game advancing content

i'm pretty sure i have just as much if not more "non game advancing posts" but youhave me as town so

[Datisi]

i just reread their iso and 10 out of 58 posts were fluff (non game advancing) which is under 20% so yeet

[Datisi]

fluff = posts that don't advance the game in any way

asking game related questions is not fluff, responding to people about the game is not fluff, like idk what your definition of fluff is but

[Datisi]

What

is

Kanna's scumtell?

[Datisi]

this ain't fluff my dude

this is elaborate meta discussion that even i don't understand

and i'm the one that modded strawberry mafia lmao

[Datisi]

(the shoe don't fit my dude)

[Datisi]

ofc this all hinges on ico town lol

then let's lynch ico to make sure he's town /s

reminder still waiting on Kanna's reads

[Datisi]

if you know what I'm talking about and i think you do, do you think i'm right because oh my fuking god

what do you think you're right about?

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I think the thing I'm actually looking for is just *deathtunnels* and what i mean by agenda-y refers to the same thing (pushing a mislynch) but ok, will look through that tomorrow.

are you trying to say town!ico doesn't push mislynches

because in that case i have some news for you

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kinda off-topic, drew, where do you draw the line between "giving someone a townread" and "buddying"?

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My townreads are unchanged. Also still relatively confident of scum in you/aldus, just probably not the both of you. Unsure what to make about you using that meta is 'out of her scum range'. We'll see.

do you think drpepper is a viable partner for either of them then or...?

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i'm also not sure what to make of kanna's meta use because (1) i believe the "scum!kanna has never used meta so it is townie" is a very weak argument (2) one of the dangers of second-hand meta is that you can easily get confbiased

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i might go reread day 1 of autumnal mafia to see if i'm forgetting some stuff (because i've been trying to forget day 1 of autumnal tbh) to see how ico compares but i might also not do that who knows, maybe i'll reread some of his town games

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ico, why do you think your play in 892 is similar to your play here?

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yay wallpost am i cool yet

[Datisi]

ico, why do you think your play in 892 is similar to your play here?

i'm really really not gonna compare my own games and see if i'm playing alike

feel free tho

also i had a very specific game in mind when I wanted to show a deathtunnel to Kanna, but i reread parts of it and i'm not sure it qualifies

do you remember 1942?

okay i just asked because you speciifcally mentioned it but ok

i remember that it was a thing that existed and that everyone was like "oh wow 1942" for a while, i didn't read that no

[Datisi]

that is also L-1 pretty sure

icon is voting aldus right now tho? do you think kanna is town?

[Datisi]

ico the fact is i've played a lot of games with him and he seems Just Town? he's got a Townblocc(tm) and is going through PoE and his reads make sense to me, and there's just enough "wtf is this shit ico" posts that i don't think he'd be faking so

Icon can have a townblock as scum, and has before. The second reason is fair from your perspective. For the third reason, what posts specifically made you think that?

these posts gave me a knee-jerk "holy shit ico wtf are you doing are you trying to push bullshit? chain up mislynches? holy shit this is so scum" which i think there has to be a some amount of posts like that from ico tbh

what do you think about my interaction w pepper on page 7?

u using the kiddy gloves on pepper - his answers still feel evasive and agreeable towards you in what feels to be a pocket attempt or getting you off his back

u using said kiddy gloves can be evaluated depending on what pepper flips x

or, you know, we could policy lynch you

Aldus, have you given a read on Pepper yet? if not, can you pls? thank

[Datisi]

Isn't that kinda too-scummy-to-be-scum? If Icon were scum what would you expect to see that you're not seeing in this game?

well, yes, that's why I said, just enough of those posts that i don't think he'd be faking. as for what would i be expecting to see from scum!ico... i don't exactly know how to answer that.

[Datisi]

this game makes my head hurt and i'm lowkey wishing i rolled scum to not have to figure it out

Plus if I was scum shouldn't I have hammered Aldus right now to save my ass from being lynched today?

(one) he wasn't even on L-1 (two) this is a horrible argument

(three) pepper/aldus scumteam confirmed

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I might also lurk a bit more if I feel posting might disrupt the game going in a way I want it to, although because my activity levels also depend on IRL stuff, it'd probably be impossible to tell from the outside what lurking is scumlurking and what isn't.

and do you hide your online status more often as scum or as town?

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actually since nobody has commented on this yet

are you guys not irked by QQ's l1 post?

i am

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And right now I'm less sure about Aldus, because of a specific post he made.

which one?

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what irks me about drpepper is that he's excusing his play by saying "i used to do walls and post-by-post but now i don't do that anymore and that's what's giving the effect" but like, never in my games have i done PbP or walls (i'm trying to do them this game to maybe get away from my spamposting meta but never did them before) and yet i never got accused of "not pushing my reads" so i don't think walls/PbP are necessary for that

[Datisi]

oh, oh, i have a fun fact!

actually since nobody has commented on this yet

are you guys not irked by QQ's l1 post?

i am

when i was typing this part^^, i orginially wrote something like "i am irked by QQ's vote, but i think he's not scum because the game kinda doesn't make sense with him as scum" but i decided to leave the second part out because i saw ico/oka started building a wagon there and i kinda thought "hey maybe if i don't say i'm against it someone will actually jump on it"

and lo and behold now it happened and now i'm like :thonk:

[Datisi]

Datisi it's time for you to show some colour and be a little more straightforward with your view on this game

got any juice?

do you think i'm not? that i'm hiding something?

i think i've been very straighforward this game but i don't think i have The Juice

- i think QQ is town both because of their posts and because of The Gamestate(tm)
- by play i think all of euph/oka/ico are town
- drew has Deepwolf Potental but i have absolutely nothing to base that on other than paranoia
- i was thinking scum is in pepper/kanna/aldus but i'm getting less sure of aldus, kanna can kinda still be it i guess but i don't exactly know how to read her, pepper is being reactive and is i think still my best bet for scum but

this game Feels Very Wrong
you know how in a dream when you try to run and you feel 10 times heavier and you're barely moving
that's how this game feels
it's not Moving as it Should Be and i don't know what to make of it

pedit: holy fuck yall are busy

[Datisi]

I wanted to see why I'm town reading dats but scum reading Ico for having the same game

So I was gonna see a QQ lynch.

how does the first sentence follow to the second?

[Datisi]

P-Edit: I wanted to move on to another issue first because the discussion Ico and I are having are just gonna confirm whatever biases we already have on each other and

then I could see if my read on either of you was wrong.

can you elaborate on this please? how were you planning to see that?

[Datisi]

ico, comment on 677?

pedit: can i please post this

[Datisi]

ico, comment on 677?

[Datisi]

@datisi do you remember any game we played together where our early reads were alligning like this?

hmmm
newbie 1945, og CoC (micro 878), newbie 1952 if you squint, though i don't think any were to this extent

and also TL's micro normal but there wes a good reason for that

pedit:

Dats - 677

So if the game is wrong should your reads reflect that?

What about it feels wrong?

ya see that's the thing
i can feel the game is going in the wrong direction ~somewhere~ but i don't yet know ~where~
which is what i'm trying to figure out

[Datisi]

i thought you had me in The Townblocc, and you're suddenly paranoid of me?

[Datisi]

that was originally @ico (sorry i didn't make that clear) but i actually quite appreciate that answer

do you think we're reacting to you the same way?

also @everyone i am currently rereading the dumpsterfire that was Day 1 of Autumnal mafia to hopefully remind myself how scum!ico plays
the things i do for this game

[Datisi]

correct me if i'm wrong, wasn't your townread on me based on the fact i'm reevaluating and not willing to just call anyone scum, but ico is a scumread because he's locked in his townreads/scumpool?

[Datisi]

@datisi do you remember any game we played together where our early reads were alligning like this?

okay so i'm rereading Autumnal Mafia (town!dats scum!ico) and i run into this:

i mean it's a plus if you see it as "not adding oil to the fire" but like it's a v weak plus

scum literally wouldn't bother to post it like that

it would be scary if our reads matched

your take on my menal read?

i disagree because I still think it's a v easy thing to post but okay

I know right last time that happened one of us was scum

and no i don't think I do (if you're SRing him)

hmmmmmmmmmmmm
what do you think ico
are you actually scum this game?

[Datisi]

correct me if i'm wrong, wasn't your townread on me based on the fact i'm reevaluating and not willing to just call anyone scum, but ico is a scumread because he's locked in his townreads/scumpool?

In a way, yes.

But still, it's weird that you guys act the same with my push.

I mean I recognize that I'm easily lynchbait and what I say can be pushed as scummy but it made me want to see if I was wrong about my Ico read or my read on you

okay one more question
do you think we're necessarily the same alignment?

[Datisi]

ok i think i reread like half of the relevan part of Day 1 in autumnal
first, oh god my eyes
second, this is not the same scum!ico
i don't feel confident enough to grant a full on townread based on that one game but ico can be town for now k

[Datisi]

lowkey thinking about policying QQ because i'm too stupid for this game

someone give me the spiciest take you have

the most moonlogicy one i don't care

[Datisi]

i thought you had me in The Townblocc, and you're suddenly paranoid of me?

oh ye ico you didn't answer this

[Datisi]

i'm literally *Always* paranoid of you

I know that feeling is Mutual so suck it

[Datisi]

ok

who's the scum in question

[Datisi]

VOTE: Drew

[Datisi]

Why Drew and not Quantum?

because i still think QQ's Town, i wanna swing into Drew for a bit, and also idk lol why not, this game doesn't make sense, maybe it starts making sense now

[Datisi]

- i think QQ is town both because of their posts and because of The Gamestate(tm)

Could you elaborate on the gamestate read, and what you keep mentioning about how the "game feels wrong"?

Why Drew and not Quantum?

because i still think QQ's Town, i wanna swing into Drew for a bit, and also idk lol why not, this game doesn't make sense, maybe it starts making sense now

What are your reasons for Quentin-town? What do you think of the GhostPepper now?

^%£== Hectic

i'll answer these together kinda

you know when your hands are cold and you're struggling to move your fingers? this game feels like that. everything seems to be slow, clammy, and hard to move. the game is inert. and it feels wrong.

QQ feels town because most people seem sorta "ye QQ is bad could lynch there i guess." nobody is exactly defending him but also nobody except for oka and ico is voting there at first? (and i think those two are town so) QQ seems like that slot that nobody has strong opinions on but nobody has a problem jumping there? like it seems like The Compromise which I don't think hits scum?

Now i'm reminded of Pepper's jump onto QQ's wagon and just ugh

VOTE: pepper

also i think QQ's posts show somw towny thought processes, or i don't think scum plays the game the way he does it

[Datisi]

yall thinkz i'm acdtually scumm heer is lolwrongk

drunkposting.

locktown.

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someone give me the spiciest take you have

the most moonlogicy one i don't care

hmm... not sure if you want this. it is hard for me to weigh them, but since you asked, do you think this post:

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in site ideas made in the midst of my discussion with drew-sta is alignment indicative in anyway?

no, i don't think i can confidently say that is AI one way or the other. maybe he just hates meta discussion.

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tbh i dont really feel motivated to play right now, kinda just lurking to see if QQ responds lol

same.

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- drew has Deepwolf Potental but i have absolutely nothing to base that on other than paranoia

What does this mean? I've never heard the phrase before.

deepwolf is a scum player that's widely townread. i'm basically saying out of my townreads, i think you're the most likely one to be wrong.

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Do it, don't just talk about it.

do... what?

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Ehh, I'm ensign

Just promise me you'll take a look at Ico and Euph after you lynch me ayt?

Also I didn't really like the [ico's] vt claim without any danger of hammer

because as a vt, it gives him as a reason to be alive

Also I don't know why my reads are so different from everyone's because

i find DrP townie

b r u h

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ico, do you think kanna's deathtunnel is scum motivated?

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let's see what happens eh

VOTE: kanna

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Mixed feelings on Drew, leaning not-so-good but willing to see more.

I have a pet theory why scum would want to wagon QQ and I don't think I like this.

VOTE: OkaPoka @Oka, what do you think about Drew so far?

okay i'm rereading some stuff and i was reminded of this

this post was made literally 2 posts after Pepper originally voted for QQ

was this ever followed up on?

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I actually think Drew is town, idk where this is coming from

Never said it wasn't. I'm just saying my gut tells me that Drew is being active in a way that I find productive to town, instead of people being active but not contributing anything to the discussion

My initial reads have me at
Town:
Oka
Dats
Drew

Nullish Town
Aldus
Kanna

Nullish Scum
QQ

Scum
Icon
Euph

so uhhh..... what changed from these?

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hi QQ, can we get a full readslist from you please?

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Ehh, I'm ensign

Just promise me you'll take a look at Ico and Euph after you lynch me ayt?

so why does this post, when you think you're getting lynched, doesn't mention Drew *at all*?

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Reason: Originally voted for Iconeum as he was originally AFK, then after joining and realizing that I voted for him, then his personality switched to seeking for vengeance in going after me because I voted for him so that could be scum indicative.

hey, icon isn't voting you anymore? he doesn't even want your lynch?

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error: chain of command is not guaranteed to be aligned with the town. please provide a valid reason for why iconeum is an enemy.

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why does "wandering" mean he's not town?

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Ranks only matter in Night actions. Your "rank" doesn't make you Town and it sure as hell doesn't give you any authority over dayplay. Get off your roleplaying high horse and help us solve.

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Do you know that we need to lynch scum and you pretending to be all high and mighty because you are cool PR is not helping us in the slightest?

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yeah no shit.

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if you value consistency so much, what do you think of the bottom of 780 or 786?

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also, @euph asking me about QQ earlier, this is painfully town. tell me scum ever plays this the way he does.

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there is no line to stay in. the chain of command has absolutely no relevance on dayplay. stop pretending to be our boss.

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you being an offcier gives you absolutely no authority over dayplay. is that really that difficult to understand?

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As far as I'm concerned, your rank should be disclosed transparently

no, no it really shouldn't. you're aware scum has a secondary win condition in this setup, right?

disobedience has an impact on day play, you are still one person during the day and during the night.

being able to order night actions =/= having any kind of authority during the day

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ico, you need to claim Ensign. that way you're a part of the ChAiN oF CoMmAnD and are therefore confirmed Town. because that is obviously how this setup works.

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he's probably the captain and thinks that gives him any sort of authority over us mortals.

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oka, you ever gave reads so far?

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nyeh.

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UNVOTE:

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okay i officially understand absolutely nothing about this game. cheers.

pedit: maybe if people didn't claim without intent on them

but also role =/= alignment in this setup so

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VOTE: pepper

we have almost 3 days left, there's time.

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Oh btw that was my pet theory that QQ was acting as captain so he could either draw in a nk/whatever and the early wagoning from people who wanted to know his role did not sit well with me

ok then how come you didn't really scumread DrPepper who first asked him what's he claiming and then voted QQ right when you were saying how you're suspicious of people wagoning QQ?

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I might also lurk a bit more if I feel posting might disrupt the game going in a way I want it to, although because my activity levels also depend on IRL stuff, it'd probably be impossible to tell from the outside what lurking is scumlurking and what isn't.

and do you hide your online status more often as scum or as town?

I frequently read games I'm in without logging in. But I don't usually check the "hide my online status" button.

asking because i once saw you weren't in the "now online" list but you were online in site chat

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ok i think i reread like half of the relevan part of Day 1 in autumnal
first, oh god my eyes
second, this is not the same scum!ico
i don't feel confident enough to grant a full on townread based on that one game but ico can be town for now k

explain how you arrived at this conclusion

autumnal!scum!ico was much more "all over the place" in a sense that his progressions didn't really make sense, esp with regard to Mena in that game (he was flip-flopping form calling him town to scum to town to whatever)

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one of them, ye

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yeah, unless galaxy brain play Kanna's probably town

fwiw i figured Kanna's "pet theory about scum wanting to wagon QQ" was related to QQ obviously roleplaying an officier but i didn't figure the second part of it

pedit: agreed

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ok cool the game now makes less sense than before and we potentially lynch euphony tomorrow. dope.

who do we lynch

today

?

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pepper, you haven't responded to 798 and 818 (though the latter is somewhat a moot point now).

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am I the only one who sees drew v icon as TvT screaming past each other?

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i don't have things to comment on, so this isn't a wallpost, this is a fencepost

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both of those points are moot ~now~ but i would like it if you could still answer it as to what you were thinking at that time?

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Town v Town screaming past each other? Not sure I follow.

your whole argument feels kinda stupid/pointless to me, but not in a sense of "scum pushing an agenda trying to get someone mislynched", or even "buddies distancing", just... pointless. "you're inconsistent" "no, you're inconsistent" "you're flip-flopping" "i wanted to vote kanna" "no i wanted to vote kanna first why are you voting kanna" "why are you unvoting now" "no u" "no u" "omgus"

like i'll admit that maybe i'm not reading y'all's posts closely enough but this is pretty much all i've gotten from the argument.

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??? what's giving you pause, ico?

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drew

what about drew?

also i'm a sucker for AtE

you don't get townie vibes from pepper posts recently ?

i actually did, but i'm trying to figure out if it's for the same reason

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aldus, who do you want to hang today?

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my gut is now screaming at me that both pepper/QQ are town and i don't know what to do about it

someone hug me

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ok so i was walking outside and listening to music and my mind went "hey haha wouldn't it be funny if the scumteam was aldus/drew" and now i can't stop thinking about it

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i don't think there's an obvious link? (is there ever one?) i don't think i've spotted anything between them that's obvious "not s/s". other than that, idk, they were both my ~nullish~ reads. the "we're lynching ico or drpepper today" thing has sorta set in and everyone's ~fine~ with that and i'm hesitating because of it.

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is that literally all you have to say?

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can you for one post stop talking about ranks and tell us who you think we should lynch today?

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straight up asking scum to concede. on day 1. now i've seen everything.

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Why are we voting Drew now?

i think because some of his posts felt lamist, pepper is sorta towning it up, and my gut is pinging me.

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i hate to flash lhf for content reasons but we should really just flash this

VOTE: qq

on one hand i don't

disagree

on the other i feel like this is a potentially very bad idea

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tbh when was the last time someone who was lamist actually was scum

idk i've been told that i'm lamist-y as scum

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do you not think he's a likely officer regardless?

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btw, just to make sure, kanna, you've sent the orders in, yes?

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I don't understand

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why does QQ have a decent chance at being scum?

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i was asking aldus

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#1000

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（ＮＯＴ　ＣＬＩＣＫＢＡＩＴ）

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same also why you wanna cfd the captain

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...elaborate?

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that feels like such convenient timing but i don't know what to make of it

pedit: pepper, not the mod.

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i think i've a couple of times noticed you/pepper posting very close to each other after a decent period of not posting. i can't genuinely get anything AI out of that, now am i sure it's not my own confbias, but it felt weird so i pointed it out.

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i think i've a couple of times noticed you/pepper posting very close to each other after a decent period of not posting. i can't genuinely get anything AI out of that,

nor

am i sure it's not my own confbias, but it felt weird so i pointed it out.

ebwop

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this game is pain

VOTE: QQ

maybe i'll change my mind yet again in the morning

cheers

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ico what why

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nobody is voting aldus except for you? like if you're rebuilding a wagon now at least say why

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because it's a little over to day till deadline and we don't have a consensus

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i sat down to reread and got to QQ's roleplaying and immediately lost all willpower

this game honestly

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approximately the gamestate right now

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VOTE: pepper

this day was supposed to end 20 pages ago

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i legit have no clue what meme you're talking about and that makes me sad

also for the record i highkey hate this lynch but i also highkey hate this game rn and have no clue what to do

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lowkey also wanna leap of faith lynch QQ

ugh

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because i'm too stupid for this game and also apparently the captain doesn't want more claims because mysterious mechanic stuff

what do you wanna do?

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hold on i'll make a meme to reflect my feelings

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VOTE: QQ

fuck this game tbh

someone give intent or something i don't even know anymore

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i do think drew has ~higher odds of being scum than QQ but like

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wait you can automate coloring of VCs?

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I legit don’t have a read on QQ.

this is the problem

nobody else does either

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@euph, do things ~make sense~?

@drew, mind elaborating why you hammered that soon?

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elaborate

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ya know, after seeing that hammer, i had a funny thought that oka and drew are scum together and okay talked him in the pt into hammering qq unclaimed

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too hopeful coming into this day phase. actual townies would have crippling depression

i've had crippling depression for so long i've gotten used to hiding it

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you called?

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are you implying i have not been obvtown

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you should be

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Ico, i was very conflicted on where to vote, because my scumreads were all kinda meh and we were running out of time. I'm taking some 70% of the blame for that lynch and our (probable? likely?) loss.

Euphony needs to spill the beans what that yesterday's convo was about

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after the hammer fell and there was the flip, i thought my scumpool was likely drew/oka/aldus, which then i realized is exactly the QQ wagon minus me and euphony

however considering how many wagon switches and whatnot there were on d1 i'd like to reread at least parts of it before proceeding

Datisi for the love of all that is holy you better be town.

right back at ya

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i think i would sooner bet for aldus>drew rather than aldus>euph but

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i said i would rather lynch drew over euphony, why are you saying i make sense and then going with the opposite of what i've said

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also why is oka higher than me when we were both on the wagon?

pedit: rereading isos eh?

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why is oka your strongest townread?

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VOTE: Drew

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ok but can we talk about the fact that drew just claimed for literally no reason when it's possible town has a flagbearer and it's in town's best benefit to have as little claims as possible

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i mean now that you've claimed it's very logical yeah

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we want to minimize the wagon swapping today, hopefully d1 was productive enough to catch everyone

what do you mean by "minimize wagon swapping"?

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i think i would sooner bet for aldus>drew rather than aldus>euph but

why are you voting drew over aldus?

this post just means that i think drew is scummier than euph. given the choice of aldus>drew and aldus>euph i would sooner bet on the former. as a whole i want to lynch drew first. though this is pending a reread so it might change.

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If they do, lynch them, let me be NK'd and you'll likely win at 4v1.

drew why the early claim

Why not?

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drew, i'm sure you have a brain. please turn it on. if the commander is town (which is statistically more likely), scum is gonna either hunt him with the nightkills or they're gonna pick off any town-protectives left. you've claimed vt for absolute no reason. AND you have people suspecting you. in which world do you ever get nightkilled here?

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maybe, i haven't decided yet

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i think i made it abundantly clear yesterday that i really thought QQ was town. but guess what, players like him are dangerous to keep around. they're lurking, their content is unreadable, their thought process is impossible to follow, they're not getting killed, and if they're town and make it to lylo, we pretty much just lose. like, in retrospect, was it a horrible lynch? yes. would i with the same knowledge do it again? probably yes.

you're asking me to take hard stances when i haven't had time to reflect on the game. guess what, speedlynching right now is not gonna help.

who's your pool of "two most scummy players"?

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i didn't have a "townread" on QQ

the way people were playing around him showed he wasn't scum

he himself was pretty much unreadable, his content was unreadable, and you couldn't know the fuck he was thinking at any time

pedit: ok
why is it a coinflip between those two?

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no. i was not townreading him.

remember pine's lynch in 2119? when i was like "ico i have a terrible feeling about this" because mena made that openwolf post where it was obvious that he was lining up both micc and pine as lynches? i wasn't townreading pine. i thought he was town because of the game around him.

same here. QQ i didn't have a read on. i had a read on the game.

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nobody is openwolfingly lining up lynches on the two most mislynch bait slots yet sorry

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arguably you're the closest to it but i still don't think you're scum here so kekw

pedit: ye i know but you seemed confused about my thought process

arguably aldus/drew but they might as well be scum so that's the issue you feel?

ppedit: how the hell am i supposed to *know* that?

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nobody is openwolfingly lining up lynches on the two most mislynch bait slots yet sorry

arguably you're the closest to it but i still don't think you're scum here so kekw

sorry, that comment was a continuation of this thought, but you posted like 10 times in between lmao

I truly believe I'm miles outside my own scumrange here, as also proven by my unwillingness to lynch or push Pepper today.

ok i believe i'm miles outside my own scumrange here too wow i must be town

and how does that prove it?

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i'm confident i'm right putting you in the townblock

*panic intensifies*

anyway looking at the VCs i think? drew's wagon was the closest one to getting lynched, you swapped to aldus, kanna wanted to go drpepper since he's claimed, and *then* euphony jumped from drew to QQ

after that kanna left pepper onto drew, and i left pepper onto QQ

and drew then hammered

so

oedit: workin on it ico