Micro 935 | Chain of Command | Game Over!

[Euphony]

hi drew-sta! do you remember me? because i remember you!

I do remember you! Long time no see, buddy.

for those interested:

micro 349: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=57625

mini 1582: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=58162

[Euphony]

Hello all!

by my count, you opened with 'hello' in mini 1582 and mini 1593, both as mafia. there was no 'hello' in mini 1591, micro 349, newbie 1537, newbie 1513, newbie 1500 and mini 1578 as town and micro 366 as mafia.

[Euphony]

~ shiki

[Euphony]

And what does that tell us?

2/3 mafia games with a hello, 0 town games with a hello seems noteworthy, at least.

[Euphony]

not noteworthy enough for a vote?

i have not discussed voting procedure with hectic.

[Euphony]

hectic this better not be a gimmick where you pretend to be a shiki and troll us cuz shiki is so cute omg

hectic is free to impersonate me if he wishes.

[Euphony]

hello this is shiki here

i looked through all of GeorgeBailey's past games and found something i'd like to share

Madoka
bugspray
gobbledygook
Allomancer
Raya36

Looker

JunkoChan
Heaven

Captain the Furret

in his previously modded game, he put scum in the 6th and 9th position. this implies he is more likely to do the same in the game we are currently present in

the list in this game is the one i have pasted below:

Iconeum
Datisi
Kanna
QuantumQuasar
Euphony (Hectic + shiki)

Alduskkel

OkaPoka
Drew-Sta

DoctorPepper

from this limited sample (1), i advise the town look at the names i have highlighted for your convenience

[Euphony]

VOTE: Euphony they know why

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Pedit: Oh, hey, shiki! We're here at the same time!

-Hectic

[Euphony]

if u think about it

wouldnt it be less likely that 6 and 9 r scum? what are the odds that they are scum again????

hi it's shiki again

oogle boogle raises a good point. i believe the most likely situation is for the mod to make it appear more natural. 1 scum overlap seems to be the most likely solution for this scenario and i can say with absolute certainty that i have entertained this thought in the past

we now just have to find the mafia in Alduskkel and DoctorPepper

VOTE: Drew-Sta

[Euphony]

33 and 37 are hec-shiki and unserious; clearly my shiki-impersonation is just in a different realm.

Ok, so this poses an interesting issue. I react with an OMGUS, it looks like scum pretending to be town. I react aggressively and suggest meta on my games is simply coincidence and it looks like scumsplaining. I ignore it, and it looks like scum avoiding the issue.

You've painted me into a corner with meta that is about 6 years old (as I've only just started playing again). That's a fairly calculated move.

You've highlighted possible ways you

could

react to this, but what is your genuine reaction?

DoctarCoke, what alarms you about my partner's 22 meta analysis?

Hard claiming

Field Marshal

( -_･) ︻デ═一 ▸Hectic

[Euphony]

The point is I’m not. I’m trying to work out why you’d do that and you’re intending to use it for.

shiki is big on meta; she's metaed most of the people in the playerlist. You and oogle boogle have scum-indicative entrances so far. The oogle one we're going to wait a little on before revealing what it is.

You're a starting point to vote on. Do you think we have ill intentions?

-Hectic

[Euphony]

33 and 37 are hec-shiki and unserious; clearly my shiki-impersonation is just in a different realm.

I knew something was weird when shiki called OkaPoka "oogles boogles"...

Isn't oogle boogle just an amazing name for him. If I was a sergeant, I would definitely be making him my general.

/¤> Hectic

[Euphony]

@DOCTARRIBENA; DO NOT DODGE MY QUESTION

-Hectic

[Euphony]

I can tell you're reading into it too much by calling it a "case". It's literally just a starting point.

Are you unvoting Oogle Boogle because of what I mentioned about him?

J**^ Hectic

[Euphony]

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[Euphony]

Yeah I'll choose to take it seriously.

i think it is kinda scummy to take a post by hectic poking fun at me seriously when it comes two posts after i said hectic can imitate me if he wishes. by extension, i think it is kinda towny that quantumquasar pointed it out.

Ok, so this poses an interesting issue. I react with an OMGUS, it looks like scum pretending to be town. I react aggressively and suggest meta on my games is simply coincidence and it looks like scumsplaining. I ignore it, and it looks like scum avoiding the issue.

what do you think your reaction here ^ looks like?

do me next

but you have to do all of them

i will consider doing so if you update your wiki.

You've painted me into a corner with meta that is about 6 years old (as I've only just started playing again). That's a fairly calculated move.

I think basing your entire case on 6 year old meta then justifying it is... of interest. It sounds like you’re casting a shadow over me (and Oka) without even trying to independently verify whether we are town.

That’s unwise at best and will lead you to tunnel, and cause us problems as town down the track.

With regard to your intentions, casting doubt appears to be your aim. I find that problematic.

you've mentioned the age of those games twice now, as if i would not have used more recent data were it available to me. my intentions were to bring us out of rvs. the two things from rvs i found of most interest were okapoka's seemingly intentional greetings tell and your hello. since my read on okapoka's opening was based almost entirely on menalque's opening this game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11637050

it seemed better to draw attention to your hello, to see how you and others would react.

[Euphony]

What made you read that game shiki? Were you doing meta on me?

it was of interest to me. i have read some of your games.

[Euphony]

What do you mean regarding standing behind evidence if it results in a nightkill, Drew?

Also, why do you assume we can't scumhunt by dropping this meta and seeing how you react to it, in the same vein you'd answer a question that we've asked? It's a shadow, but it's a comforting one, the sort of one you'd relish to find in the middle of the sahara. I've found your reaction so far kinda scummy; your tone completely changed and you think what we've done is anti-town and can't decide whether or not to scumread us for it, but I'm unsure if your reaction would be the same if the meta was about someone else.

In 53 it looks like you're assessing ways scum!you could react and how they'd all look bad, rather than just be honest and disregard it as negligible really old meta like most would do.

€^^* Hectic

[Euphony]

Major Datisi!

Why do you think Alduskkel is >rand chance of being town?

(-.¬) _|~~> Hectic

[Euphony]

I think him asking to be metaed is maybe very slightly towny. Talking about the setup is NAI.

Also, I think I have a subconscious >rand townread on him because I've only ever seen him as a mason and his avatar is

radiant.

What do you think of Drew-sta's reaction to the meta?

::^^= Hectic

[Euphony]

I can see Drew-Sta being frustrated as town but evaluating ways in which he

could

react and how we might be trying to paint him as scummy no matter what he says feels defensive, instead of just reacting normally. I need to discuss this point with shiki, maybe I'm dumb.

Alduskkel's mason game

++/------- Hectic

[Euphony]

My read on you just completely changed with that avatar-switch.

//£$;''''''''' Hectic

[Euphony]

That jumpscared me. Did you just change it in the last couple of minutes or was I subconsciously seeing it as normal while writing 93 and only later I realised something was off and looked at it properly? Gaslighting is scummy

P¬¬¬ Hectic

[Euphony]

For your first question, I answered this in 59?

my question was:

what do you think your reaction here ^ looks like?

your answer in 59 was:

The point is I’m not. I’m trying to work out why you’d do that and you’re intending to use it for.

it is strange to me that you focused on what your reaction would look like to everyone else, and then when asked what you thought your reaction looked like to us, you said you had already answered that by more or less saying you were wary of my intentions, which does not answer the question.

What I find most unusual is you haven't done this to anyone else. Can I ask why?

while looking over your games i noticed a potentially alignment indicative pattern. i did not notice a comparable pattern in anyone else's posts so far this game.

shiki, i find it a bit surprising you haven't mentioned my opening (which has been used in multiple games of mine), how come?

i am aware that it is a running joke between iconeum, menalque and you. it seemed likely to me that you would have used it regardless of alignment.

[Euphony]

shiki i have a lot of games on my wiki why aren't you metaing me babyrage

i have read some of your games.

this applies to you as well.

[Euphony]

and so how do you feel about me bb

uncomfortable, mostly.

[Euphony]

and so how do you feel about me bb

uncomfortable, mostly.

[Euphony]

Oogle Boogle, can you expand on why you think a Quantum wagon is a good wagon while acknowledging it's low hanging fruit? I have a feeling they're not going to react in a very AI way to pressure, why not wagon someone more readable?

/×× Hectic

[Euphony]

DoctarRubicon, can you answer my question of what fizzed you about shiki's 22?

%¿¿♧ Hectic

[Euphony]

Datisi feels like she's been sorting in good faith so far, and the lack of a handle and trying to progress the game seems kinda genuine.

Drew-sta/Aluskkel, shiki will get to your question(s) about the meta later.

___/''''" Hectic

[Euphony]

What do you mean regarding standing behind evidence if it results in a nightkill, Drew?

Also what's the context here? I read this like 2 times and I'm not sure what you mean

Kanning Kanna, I was referring to the quote down below. As in, why would we suspect someone with evidence and then stand behind said evidence after night killing them.

I consider it something a mafia player is more likely to do as it shifts attention onto a player with 'evidence' they can stand behind if it ends in a lynch or NK.

^^£))*> Hectic

[Euphony]

When you originally dropped the meta, was your primary intention to base a read off the meta itself or off of drew-sta's reaction to it? I don't want to hear what you decided to base your read off later -- I want to know what your intent was at the time of writing the original post.

the basis for my read at the time was the meta. my intention for posting it was to gauge drew-sta's reaction to it.

2. while looking over your games i noticed a potentially alignment indicative pattern. i did not notice a comparable pattern in anyone else's posts so far this game.

2. So why not post about theirs? Why did you single me out?

this does not make sense to me. are you asking why i did not post about patterns i did not notice?

and so how do you feel about me bb

uncomfortable, mostly.

Why?

hectic this better not be a gimmick where you pretend to be a shiki and troll us cuz shiki is so cute omg

im imagining shiki to be this very cute, innocent little angel child

and so how do you feel about me bb

[Euphony]

I think where I'm landing is Eup is trying to stir the pot (which they've succeeded in doing) and moved us out of RVS, which I think was their intent.

my intentions were to bring us out of rvs.

[Euphony]

All unsigned posts are shiki btw. Unless they start with "hi this is shiki", then it's probably me.

>> Hectic

[Euphony]

What do you mean regarding standing behind evidence if it results in a nightkill, Drew?

Also, why do you assume we can't scumhunt by dropping this meta and seeing how you react to it, in the same vein you'd answer a question that we've asked? It's a shadow, but it's a comforting one, the sort of one you'd relish to find in the middle of the sahara. I've found your reaction so far kinda scummy; your tone completely changed and you think what we've done is anti-town and can't decide whether or not to scumread us for it, but I'm unsure if your reaction would be the same if the meta was about someone else.

When you

originally dropped the meta

, was your primary intention to base a read off the meta itself or off of drew-sta's reaction to it? I don't want to hear what you decided to base your read off later -- I want to know what your intent was at the time of writing the original post.

the basis for my read at the time was the meta. my intention for posting it was to gauge drew-sta's reaction to it.

I don't like you saying "why do you assume we can't scumhunt by dropping this meta and seeing how you react to it" when that

wasn't

what you were doing. To strip it down, it's basically saying, "why didn't you assume I was doing a thing I wasn't doing?"

VOTE: Euphony

Colonel Alduskkel, she's literally saying that

was

her intention though. To drop the meta and see how Drew-sta reacted to it. How else are you interpreting her words?

}}}+ Hectic

[Euphony]

VOTE: Doctar7up

Really don't like 208 as a way of defending himself.

€^^^ Hectic

[Euphony]

can we let them play it out and talk about it later?

It's basically played out to completion now, Blue Eyes White Dragon Iconeum (you may ask for a title change if you wish). What was interesting about Kanna's participation?

5÷5÷÷× Hectic

[Euphony]

Quentin Quantum, did you have some hidden purpose related to solving by dropping 36?

I need to look back at Strawberry to see if Ico was this

loose

there.

I hope you guys appreciate these guns I'm signing my posts off with btw.

;;''''''' Hectic

[Euphony]

I need to look back at Strawberry to see if Ico was this loose there.

can't compare because i was scum there

Yeah, but what if you were really pent up and hid in your shell there. Bet you didn't think about that.

I rechecked it and you were friendly early on but also got serious and dropped the fluff more quickly than here. I have a feeling Datisi is a memeing catalyst for you though.

/̵͇̿̿/’̿’̿ Hectic

[Euphony]

QQ/Pepper/kanna all good votes at this moment

So, let's hear the scoop on Kanna, and that *interesting* thing.

Some of my signs are swords. They're surprisingly still viable in today's battlefields.

-]═── Hectic

[Euphony]

Is it bad that I find Quantum hilarious

The armoury is two doors down to the right, Quentin Quantum, and yes, we passed recruitment years ago.

A structure is in place and Dr. Pepper voted to disrupt that line of command by voting me when we're organized enough to know that the outcome should have that very same structure covered.

VOTE: quantumquasar

pat me on the back and sheep me

Yes sir

VOTE: QQ[/vote,]

I'm a bit worried this slot is lynchbait and that maybe what QQ does is NAI as it seems to be a common pattern, but I don't see the logic in voting for the AFK

Do you mean you dislike this vote, Quentin? Is it because there might be counterintelligence involved in the comms, or that the private asks no question of his general despite there being a potential flaw in the battleplan?

┬┴┬┬┬ Hectic

[Euphony]

hmm i think i have my first scumteam solve

are you shaking in your boots datisi

I'm shaking in my bunker; let's hear what it is.

absolutely nothing

i know you're thinking "mena pretended to be a newbie in his opening in another game and he was scum" but i think that's just aI "menalque thing" rather than a "scum thing"

and i think connecting that to oka is misguided at best, disingenuous at worst

I've seen it happen 2(?) times and they weren't both from Mena. *but* I kinda don't feel so strongly about it anymore

Both from scum you mean?

Ä°°ö- Hectic

[Euphony]

DoctarCocaCola shouldnät claim if that wasnät obvious. Iäm fine with the Lß1, just donät hammer or Iäm treating it as a scumclaim. Or if not scum, then a peasant claim at the verz least. Cola, Iäd like to hear what zou find scummz about Ico when zou come back.

I think mz connectionös being muddled somehow. Gonna go check the control panel to see whatäs wrong.

°-.._ Hectic

[Euphony]

sorry, hydra slip. quoted for iso.

The problem I have with QQ now is that I don't know if this is their scum play or if it's just NAI.

have you attempted to investigate this?

Hey Drew, what do you think of Euphony/Iconeum/Datusi?

why are you inquiering about the townblock?

this is a strange question since it is the composition of the doctorpepper wagon at the time minus quantumquasar.

Iconeum is not the type of player I've played with. At least, not often. Jumps all over the shop. Hard to pin down. Calls Euphony scum in 184 and presses them in 185 but calls them part of the town read in 301.

i think this progression is kinda towny.

in 215 iconeum is still unsure of us:

euphony i'm not sure

in 238 it says we can be town:

euphony and drew can be town

these are the three posts we made between those two posts:

VOTE: Doctar7up

Really don't like 208 as a way of defending himself.

€^^^ Hectic

can we let them play it out and talk about it later?

It's basically played out to completion now, Blue Eyes White Dragon Iconeum (you may ask for a title change if you wish). What was interesting about Kanna's participation?

5÷5÷÷× Hectic

Quentin Quantum, did you have some hidden purpose related to solving by dropping 36?

I need to look back at Strawberry to see if Ico was this

loose

there.

I hope you guys appreciate these guns I'm signing my posts off with btw.

;;''''''' Hectic

it seemed strange to me that iconeum's read changed from these posts, especially since iconeum did not address hectic's question regarding kanna's participation. however, with their later stated reasons for townreading us:

euphony is coming across as free-flowing, funny jokingly yet still producing reads and pushing things

it comes mostly from hectic iirc

don't scumread it and it's good enough for me to be in the townblock at this point

in mind, it makes sense.

i saw that in strawberry but i don't know if that's scum indicative or getting heat early indicative

i think the parallels with micro 922 are that iconeum pushed on someone early and gave up that push rather easily, and when pushed on itself, it made a scumcase on another player. i don't think there are many parallels with mini normal 2088, in which iconeum used the early game to cover for potential differences in posting frequency compared to its town games and its reads/reactions felt heavily plotted.

like, this kinda looks like PR hunting at first but if it were actual PR hunting then drew would have just posted this in the scum PT instead of in the thread

i had the same thought about this. like if that was drew-sta's read he probably should not have shared it, but it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to post it in the thread as scum.

[Euphony]

I kinda agree that Ico's AtE was towny; he was a lot more composed all the way up to the end in Strawberry Mafia. I disagree with the Kanna take though. I don't think an anti-town-aligned-Kanna has ever gone to meta someone like she did in 315. Maybe she's broadening her horizons and expanding her scumgame but I think that's pretty town-indicative for her.

,#═━ Hectic

[Euphony]

Gonna look at him now.

/¬¬ Hectic

[Euphony]

Don't like 349 as a way to justify his L-1 - part of the reason the game was slow was because Aldu was pretty inactive. I agree with Datisi regarding the consistency thing on Ico. Spotting that Drew-Sta thing in 416 pretty towny though.

Why is 364 towny, Aldu?

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

----> Hectic

[Euphony]

VOTE: quantumquasar

pat me on the back and sheep me

Yes sir

VOTE: QQ[/vote,]

I'm a bit worried this slot is lynchbait and that maybe what QQ does is NAI as it seems to be a common pattern, but I don't see the logic in voting for the AFK

why should i feel good about you choosing to vote pepper and more glaringly, choosing not to vote QQ

pepper has the awkward case + vote based on 'mod wouldn't do this you are scum for pushing this angle' while clearly RVS
QQ, as I said, is next in line

both are good votes

Yet QQ is my lynch target for today.

So either you're wrong or I'm bussing THIS early

Some of your opinion on Quentin was that you were afraid what he was doing was mostly NAI, so why categorise him as your "lynch target" and it as "bussing"? Was your Quentin vote serious enough to be considered that, and has your opinion on him changed now?

¬]]== Hectic

[Euphony]

also also what i started typing in 404 but erased it because i thought i might wait for more answers is that you seem kinda more flaccid and/or uninterested in the game? though i was willing to partly look past that because it is a somewhat slow game. anyway.

Oh yeah, weird take, but I thought something like this is a lot less likely to be fabricated by scum.

/+/~=- Hectic

[Euphony]

Lul, what did you think it would lead to?

¬]]...,, Hectic

[Euphony]

Imagine having 364 posts in the scum PT already. What do you take me for, a serial killer!Kanna?

Actually, I just checked back on your last scum game and you had FIFTY FOUR pages in the scum PT with Mene. I legitimately don't understand how that's possible.

==--" Hectic

[Euphony]

She's like mostly null for other content. Taking the initiative to push Ico is slight town points because I think she's a little more reserved as scum. Oh wait, her vote on Ico came after there were already 2 on him so that counts for less. She's a (눈‸눈) read right now.

눈눈== Hectic

[Euphony]

if i get lynched here, lynch kanna next

trust me

Looking back, the overconfidence here does ping me a bit actually. How much of this was driven by emotion at the time, Ico?

}{+~ Hectic

[Euphony]

hello this is shiki

i was reading through the thread and i came across something very interesting

keep in mind i came into the game telling myself that if a pattern emerges that doesn't make sense it is probably a mafia pattern

here i will tally up the total amount of posts people have made during this game

Iconeum - 93
OkaPoka - 69
Datisi - 63
Euphony (Hectic + shiki) - 53
Drew-Sta - 32
DoctorPepper - 31
Alduskkel - 30
Kanna - 29
GeorgeBailey - 21
QuantumQuasar - 19

as you can see Iconeum seems to be dominating the spotlight while players like GeorgeBailey and QuantumQuasar are lagging behind

now let's have a look at the number of times players have been the first to post on a page. i believe this practice is called PageTopping

GeorgeBailey

6

- 0 | 75 | 125 | 150 | 250 | 400
Iconeum

3

- 200 | 225 | 350
Kanna

2

- 50 | 275
Datisi

2

- 175 | 425
Euphony (Hectic + shiki)

2

- 25 | 100
Alduskkel

1

- 375
OkaPoka

1

- 325
DoctorPepper

1

- 300
QuantumQuasar

0

Drew-Sta

0

as you can see Kanna is 8th in post count but is 3rd in PageTop count. this is indicative that Kanna is intentionally going for PageTops despite posting less than what she should have. this something mafia do to make it appear as if they have more content and presence than they actually do, since PageTops are fortified watchtowers of a castle

even more alarming is GeorgeBailey being 9th in post count yet 1st in PageTops, i believe GeorgeBailey is mafia and is orchestrating this game

i would like to hear thoughts on my theory of GeorgeBailey + Kanna

[Euphony]

hectic r u korean?

Nah, but I know that literally means "eye" in Korean which is very cool. Are you?

︻デ═一 Hectic

[Euphony]

What's your read on us, DoctarDew?

Interested how you manged to construe 442 as serious, Oogle.

Pedit: Does that mean you don't like the name Datisi, Darius?

<>/''--- Hectic

[Euphony]

I don't understand your scumread on us.

VOTE: doctorpepper

The scum being in those positions thing was obviously a joke. Also don't rolefish kids.

Yeah I'll choose to take it seriously.


Besides the bigger ping was 22.

Here you decide to take my joke seriously despite being told by others it was obviously a joke.

DoctarRubicon, can you answer my question of what fizzed you about shiki's 22?

%¿¿♧ Hectic

It seemed like you were manufacturing a terrible meta read

People like Kanna have mentioned shiki always does this kind of meta and points out anything AI at the start of games. Why are you still reading it as scummy?

What does it do to advance the game state?

Not really an excuse don't you think?

Admittedly yes I haven't done much to advance game state also but I'm still not a fan of fluff. A lot of the game feels. Fluffy to me because I am not a fan of stylized posts that much and this game is quite full of it.

Why are the jokes scum-indicative when I'm clearing posting content around them?

To your point Datu, I'm not really a fan of shit-posty players and my old meta consisted of being frustrated at to the point of asking mod replacement because I argued with them too much (I know I know really shitty)

You're aware of yourself "not being a fan", so seem to be self-aware enough that your displeasure of it isn't related to alignment.

Yet we're bottom of your readslist. Let's hear some reasons, DoctarSprite.

╦- Hectic

[Euphony]

What reads do you dislike?

I dislike being bottom because I don't think the read is genuine based on your reasons given. I understand that scum!you isn't actually thinking you can get us lynched here, but I'm wary of scum!you being lazy with reads that don't have real justification behind them.

¬)_P[];l--= Hectic

[Euphony]

No, town me dislikes your playstyle and thinks it's scum. Town me knows that you are too widely townread at the moment to have a wagon going but would like to express my displeasure in your slot in the hopes of a future lynch or maybe in the hopes of me cracking the code to this game eventually.

Has my dislike for fluff clouded my ability to read you? Sure, but none of this is scum motivated like what you're trying to point out

Yeah, it's not scum-motivated, but I still don't buy whether you scumread us over everyone else for "playstyle" or "fluff".

~}}"~~ Hectic

[Euphony]

I kinda agree that Ico's AtE was towny

the situations are a little different in that he got flashlynched there/didn't have a chance to react and here he got run up to l1 while he was online. but this is true. What did you think of my other points?

The focusing on scumreads over townreads thing? I think I remember that being the case in Strawberry, but I didn't check the other games you mentioned.

##_=- Hectic

[Euphony]

No, town me dislikes your playstyle and thinks it's scum. Town me knows that you are too widely townread at the moment to have a wagon going but would like to express my displeasure in your slot in the hopes of a future lynch or maybe in the hopes of me cracking the code to this game eventually.

Has my dislike for fluff clouded my ability to read you? Sure, but none of this is scum motivated like what you're trying to point out

Yeah, it's not scum-motivated, but I still don't buy whether you scumread us over everyone else for "playstyle" or "fluff".

~}}"~~ Hectic

To clarify: I don't think it's a decision scum!you takes because you think it's a good play. It's something you do because you think it's right or natural, or are just lazy about it.

^7-5 Hectic

[Euphony]

She's like mostly null for other content. Taking the initiative to push Ico is slight town points because I think she's a little more reserved as scum. Oh wait, her vote on Ico came after there were already 2 on him so that counts for less. She's a (눈‸눈) read right now.

눈눈== Hectic

thief.

Let's test our masonry! do you remember what you told me my scumtell was in strawberry?

Lul, I'm gonna go check. Oh wait, I do remember. Yeah, I don't

think

you've done it much this game but I shall recheck. Was it on your mind from the start of the game?

Apologies, I'm getting lazy with the guns.

$£"%+ Hectic

[Euphony]

What

is

Kanna's scumtell?

I don't think she wants me outing it lul

_3$)0 Hectic

[Euphony]

I think you and I are very similar, Hectic

(눈‸눈)

Would you scumclaim if you were scum? Be honest.

45][}}{[~: Hectic

[Euphony]

what do you mean by scumclaim? as scum, i constantly feel the need to give up actually and tried to concede many times in strawberry

Nevermind lul

if you know what I'm talking about and i think you do, do you think i'm right because oh my fuking god

Is it regarding the Doctar?

9043 Hectic

[Euphony]

Is it regarding the Doctar?

no

I don't think I get it then.

{: Hectic

[Euphony]

I kinda agree that Ico's AtE was towny

the situations are a little different in that he got flashlynched there/didn't have a chance to react and here he got run up to l1 while he was online. but this is true. What did you think of my other points?

Just replying to past stuff don't mind me

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

Can you elaborate on Alduskkel? 349 comes off as kind of a joke to me actually

@Eup; answer these when you can please

Addressed the first in 490.

I mean, I get that post has a jokey tone, but it's still used to justify the L-1. What were you mindmelding with Aldu on for pages 15 to 17?

╯╰-= Hectic

[Euphony]

@ico - AtE by Kanna in 534?

Why did you ask Ico this specifically?

@ico - AtE by Kanna in 534?

NAI

And Ico, are you saying this because of meta or independently looking at it?

[+]7 Hectic

[Euphony]

sigh. sorry for hydra slip and sorry for double post.

Spoiler:

shiki, no comments about alduskkel?

nothing beyond what has already been noted. it was weird that alduskkel scumread me entirely for a misinterpretation of my words, but i struggle to communicate things clearly so it is difficult for me to weigh this appropriately. alduskkel has felt disengaged to me as well and i too found the timing of his push on iconeum to be kinda convenient.

Why is the 364 link broken, Hectic? It doesn't lead to the 364 in this thread.

oh wait, you included a space in the post tag and that broke it. lmao i almost got excited.

while trying to utilize the meanings of above sentence consisting of prediction: is, datisi, town?, the engine will build all its socio-anthropologic descriptions, taking resources from the whole system. furthermore, the question is datisi town? will be literally torn into pieces, more technologically speaking it will be transformed into a neural network consisting of hundreds of thousands of neurons with some high-privileged ones — the ones carrying the informations: is, datisi, town?.

Haven't checked if they have finished games so I can't comment on what I have seen so far from him

newbie 1988: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82274

large normal 226: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82371

Bruh.

Seriously?

i like to think of hectic's posts imitating me as an outlet for having to directly interface with me. it is also probably the primary benefit to him of my presence in the hydra.

these were directed to hectic but i will do my best to answer since i am here right now and he is not:

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

Why are you happy with DP?

doctorpepper's pushes have felt like they a simply enacting an agenda. he pushed on quantumquasar despite acknowledging that what quantumquasar was doing wasn't necessarily scummy, which i'm pretty wary of because i think mafia would be pretty likely to do this, he pushed on us because he dislikes our playstyle? though that kinda feels like it was reasoning provided after the fact, and he said he couldn't get anything off of iconeum before iconeum had posted and then as soon as iconeum started posting he accused iconeum of tunneling him. like none of these felt real to me.

I kinda agree that Ico's AtE was towny

the situations are a little different in that he got flashlynched there/didn't have a chance to react and here he got run up to l1 while he was online. but this is true. What did you think of my other points?

i addressed the parallels with micro 922 here:

i think the parallels with micro 922 are that iconeum pushed on someone early and gave up that push rather easily, and when pushed on itself, it made a scumcase on another player.

do you think the iconeum progression i outlined in 423 would be easy to simulate as mafia?

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

Can you elaborate on Alduskkel? 349 comes off as kind of a joke to me actually

i think it was said in a semi-joking manner but i do not believe it to have been a joke. the game had been pretty slow up until that point and alduskkel had largely not contributed outside of the aforementioned misinterpretation before putting iconeum to l-1.

pedit: oh, hectic here now. posted as is.

[Euphony]

Catching up tonight!

€/^^^ Hectic

[Euphony]

UNVOTE: DoctorPepper

as I said you might be a townie thanks for your time

VOTE: Alduskkel

Kanna move your vote to Alduskkel

stick together team with OkaPoka

Iconeum voting Kanna doesn't help his case

Euphony has camo presume, vote alduskkel

pls explain why Doctar may now be a townie.

]]-00 Hectic

[Euphony]

579 is towny.

Addressed the first in 490.

I mean, I get that post has a jokey tone, but it's still used to justify the L-1. What were you mindmelding with Aldu on for pages 15 to 17?

No my main point was the deathtunnel parallel between ame/luca/clidd. Do you not think they were alike?

What made you townread Ico?

Also on the flip side, what made you think Ico was scum in strawberry?

I eventually scumread Ico in Strawberry because of his scumcase on clidd, there were flaws and agendas with multiple wheels in there. Feeling too lazy right now to go back and read on the deathtunnels; do you think he doesn't do it as town in the other games you checked?

Aldu's explanation of his Oogle read was townish. He's felt relatively towny in tone recently.

ߧä-- Hectic

[Euphony]

Doctar7up kind of gives me the vibe of scum that's annoyed at being pushed for wrong reasons - regarding the "my reactive style/lack of walls should be a NAI thing". I don't like 652 because he seems to be trying to defuse a 1v1 which could result in his lynch but retains his scumread on Ico while pushing Quentin with him.

659 basically.

- i think QQ is town both because of their posts and because of The Gamestate(tm)

Could you elaborate on the gamestate read, and what you keep mentioning about how the "game feels wrong"?

Don't like 697 because it doesn't fit his confidence in scum!Ico from previous posts at all. Why are you again trying to defuse a situation if you think you have scum in your grasp? This isn't the DoctarPeppur I grew up with and admired at all.

/̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ ̿ ̿ ̿ ̿ Hectic

[Euphony]

I think I'm currently nulltown to townreads of varying strengths on everyone except for Doctar and Quentin. Although, Quentin could be town for some very Saturn-logicky reasons that shiki and I were discussing earlier.

={F[ Hectic

[Euphony]

Why Drew and not Quantum?

because i still think QQ's Town, i wanna swing into Drew for a bit, and also idk lol why not, this game doesn't make sense, maybe it starts making sense now

What are your reasons for Quentin-town? What do you think of the GhostPepper now?

^%£== Hectic

[Euphony]

Kanning Kanna:

I kinda agree with Ico's push on the Doctar this game; I scumread him as well. Ico's felt *different* from Strawberry. I'm not sure in what way, but he's more all over the place and loose here, and his clidd case felt more manufactured than stuff here and had obviously bad reasons, like suspecting him for NAI stuff when other players had repeatedly brought up the fact it should be NAI.

I didn't "scumread" Aldu but I thought the L-1 thing and attacking Ico for the inconsistency thing warranted looking into. Can you explain why you dislike/want clarification on these two reads? What are you getting at?

[]][//''''' Hectic

[Euphony]

I'll reISO Aldu just for you &_&

56 very slightly towny for asking to be metaed.
Next few posts are fluffy.
117 is a good question.
180 he votes us despite the contrary. NAI misunderstanding?
The Ico vote and reasoning behind it is scummy. Using Kanna's meta as a reason is weak, given she didn't provide any evidence. Also I've explained the slowness justification thing.
406 slightly scummy.
416 towny for Drew read.
572: not gonna reread it but it was towny for stuff like the Oogle read.
576: Elaborate on your Doctar read when you have a chance to look back, Aldu.

Reading back, I'm not so sure. He's a joker read as clidd would put it.

¬}}; Hectic

[Euphony]

^sorry Shiki! Feel free to answer it too. As a general thing, do you both agree/have same reasonings?

In general, yeah. Typically, we manage to convince the other of reads we have rather than disagree with them.

_++ Hectic

[Euphony]

Honestly, I don't see why not. I don't see him describing you guys as "free-flowing, funny jokingly yet still producing reads and pushing things" as a particularly good reason wrt to the posts

it seems unlikely to me that scum!iconeum would say he was unsure of us, wait for hectic to make those three posts, then say we were town in order to later say he was townreading us for "free-flowing, funny jokingly yet still producing reads and pushing things" and importantly to my point here "it comes mostly from hectic iirc". it is possible that scum!iconeum looked back on what he said about us and came up with a plausible reason for his inconsistency, but that seems like a less likely option to me as well.

why do you townread Ico here? You *townread* him meaning you either have a good reason or see differences between his play here and say, strawberry (or have information from other games considering idk what games you play)

i don't think there are many parallels with mini normal 2088, in which iconeum used the early game to cover for potential differences in posting frequency compared to its town games and its reads/reactions felt heavily plotted.

this ^ is the other of iconeum's scum games i looked at.

What do you think of Ico’s push on DrP? Do you agree with it?

yes, i agree with it.

doctorpepper's pushes have felt like they a simply enacting an agenda. he pushed on quantumquasar despite acknowledging that what quantumquasar was doing wasn't necessarily scummy, which i'm pretty wary of because i think mafia would be pretty likely to do this, he pushed on us because he dislikes our playstyle? though that kinda feels like it was reasoning provided after the fact, and he said he couldn't get anything off of iconeum before iconeum had posted and then as soon as iconeum started posting he accused iconeum of tunneling him. like none of these felt real to me.

what i meant by reasoning provided after the fact here was that it felt like doctorpepper was pushing on us in hopes of getting us mislynched and then later pivoted to saying he simply dislikes our playstyle. he has also done what he is accusing iconeum of doing in terms of his reads being set in stone. his scumread on iconeum seems to predate iconeum posting in the game.

As a general thing, do you both agree/have same reasonings?

for the most part. we tend to discuss our reads and try to reach consensus, as hectic said. where we are unable to we reach out to the thread for more information.

[Euphony]

someone give me the spiciest take you have

the most moonlogicy one i don't care

hmm... not sure if you want this. it is hard for me to weigh them, but since you asked, do you think this post:

Suggest to optionally hide post history hyperlinks in profile and/or posts per day

in site ideas made in the midst of my discussion with drew-sta is alignment indicative in anyway?

[Euphony]

whatever is happening here does not appear to be protown.

[Euphony]

reminder still waiting on Kanna's reads

I'm in a confusing state right now but I think <Datisi, OkaPoka, Aldus, DrP> are town, the rest i can't tell you atm

Oh yay you're town

Why does this make Kanna town? Because she thinks you're town?

And why'd you find Drew-Sta's vote more opportunistic than Oogle's on your wagon?

£÷÷ Hectic

[Euphony]

whatever is happening here does not appear to be protown.

What are you talking about, shiki. This is exactly the kind of high brow content we need to crack open this game.

#^^^ Hectic

[Euphony]

also, @euph asking me about QQ earlier, this is painfully town. tell me scum ever plays this the way he does.

i reached a similar conclusion, which hectic was alluding to here:

Although, Quentin could be town for some very Saturn-logicky reasons that shiki and I were discussing earlier.

though at the time i thought quantumquasar was using the reactions to him to sort alignments. i am less sure of that now.

[Euphony]

Yeah wouldn't it be easier for me as scum to just sheep the biggest wagon instead of going for unpopular opinions here?

Why are you of this opinion when you seem to townread others for unpopular opinions and scumread people for sheeping the biggest wagon? Why can't scum intentionally make unpopular opinions to be townread for it?

basically, why do you see it as towny that Kanna thinks both you/Alduskkel wagons are town without seeing any reasoning from her on why? Scum kind of defending mislycnhes and not wanting to be on them isn't an uncommon tactic.

}=" Hectic

[Euphony]

Can I have your watch?

:_) Hectic

[Euphony]

You should step in line and watch your tone, Datisi. Quentin is our lord and saviour and I think you should respect that.

oP Hectic

[Euphony]

o9

I don't get it?

£> Hectic

[Euphony]

Kaptain my Kaptain , why do you turn on us?

Have you been consciously playing differently due to rolling captain?

¬2[// Hectic

[Euphony]

TV doesn't fry your brain? If you're talking about the paperback version of TV: then yes, I agree.

[][>- Hectic

[Euphony]

I'm trying to make my first big brain move but it requires some...cooperation

Alright, sure. Operation Tungsten. If not, then segway into Operation ßrave.

]_= Hectic

[Euphony]

Nvm, I’m not ok with getting lynched today.

If I die tonight, and there is *no news* and *things don’t make sense*, Euphony is scum

o7

starting to feel like everyone is communicating on my wavelength and it is creating interference.

ok cool the game now makes less sense than before

[Euphony]

Kanna, I get what you're doing but I think you [REDACTED].

~Hectic

[Euphony]

What if he's a GunN2 though, what you gonna do then

Why are we voting Drew now?

@+ Hectic

[Euphony]

Have you been consciously playing differently due to rolling captain?

¬2[// Hectic

Could you answer this, Kanna?

:@= Hectic

[Euphony]

Spoiler: Drew wall

Anyone want kanna over pepper?

Drew have we played before?

Not sure.

Also, I was on Kanna from the start. Why are you doing this now when I asked literally pages ago to consider it? This is not a consistent approach.

Because it's insistence that im scum despite lit everyone telling her they don't se thé resemblence is pinging me

Misread =/= scum. You should know that.

Anyone want kanna over pepper?

Drew have we played before?

Not sure.

Also, I was on Kanna from the start. Why are you doing this now when I asked literally pages ago to consider it? This is not a consistent approach.

Explain this

Because you re thé inconsistent one here

Huh? This makes no sense, especially when you've flipped votes more than underwear this day phase.

Yeah we can do kanna now

If we can do Kanna then why do you do this?

UNVOTE:

i think euph is town tho

You're losing credibility here.

I feel like what you're doing is effectively drilling people and casting shade, which you can revisit in later phases. This isn't scum hunting, it's obfuscation.

Idk why the wagon on me just died.

But if ever I do get lynched today, I feel like we should take a look at the most opportunistic vote in the lot

VOTE: DrewSta

This is a really bad push and something to look for on Day 2.

Your post is negligent. It ignores other peoples flip floppyness but focusses on one person (tunnelling or deliberate ignorance - uncertain), ignores the fact I have sat on Kanna most of this phase, then saw your inconsistency and considered it scum based and adjusted with other players to work toward a lynch. My flip from Kanna does not mean I consider them town, but a decision to work with people towards towns best interests.

Your obvious attempt to derail focus is clear. I genuinely consider you scum.

Nah man, you're just really opportunistic

And you're not? Hypocritical and a liar to boot. Lynch all liars.

761 is a really bad post and it doesn't bring anything new to the table. You basically just parroted the existing reads to justify jumping on the wagon

I agreed with existing reads and added my thoughts. You're misrepresenting me big time here.

I actually think Drew is town, idk where this is coming from

Never said it wasn't. I'm just saying my gut tells me that Drew is being active in a way that I find productive to town, instead of people being active but not contributing anything to the discussion

My initial reads have me at
Town:
Oka
Dats
Drew

Nullish Town
Aldus
Kanna

Nullish Scum
QQ

Scum
Icon
Euph

so uhhh..... what changed from these?

And there, Dr, is the hypocrisy pointed out.

reminder still waiting on Kanna's reads

I'm in a confusing state right now but I think <Datisi, OkaPoka, Aldus, DrP> are town, the rest i can't tell you atm

Oh yay you're town

Why does this make Kanna town? Because she thinks you're town?

And why'd you find Drew-Sta's vote more opportunistic than Oogle's on your wagon?

£÷÷ Hectic

Kanna is intentionally taking unpopular stances

Oka's voting pattern is consistent

Intentionally taking unpopular stances =/= town.

QQ woke up since kanna votes

Drew pushing me to'take a look at kanna and then freaking out when i do is ehm strange?

It's not strange at all. I'm trying to understand why you would look at Kanna and adjust the train off Dr when it was moving ahead productively and we had some consensus on them being scum. You effectively derailed your own train, and it reads as suspicious. As if you bussed your partner and then needed to get them off the hook.

I really don’t like this constant pushing to L1 then switching targets because it’s honestly just rolefishing

No, it is not. It gives insight. If someone claims, it's information we can use later on to determine if they're lying or not.

PRs/Positions are non-indicative of alignment, scum can roll anything from Jailkeeper Captain to a no PR Ensign. Why do you think scum have any reason to lie about claims or counterclaim?

How confident are you on Ico + Doctar?

>>$ Hectic

[Euphony]

DocMirinda's acceptance of being lynched today does feel kinda towny, but I'm not sure how much that should sway my read on the rest of his play.

I could be convinced on Drew; I don't like his overconfidence on the Doc or his Ico bussing proposal.

¬]}~ Hectic

[Euphony]

revisiting my early game exchange with drew-sta, it is possible that his asking me why i did not post about patterns i did not notice was simply a misunderstanding in the same way that it is possible that alduskkel simply misinterpreted my reasoning for my early game push on drew-sta. however, here:

Ok, I missed that post. My apologies.

drew-sta said he missed a post that he had previously replied to, after i pointed out that he provided the exact reasoning for my early game approach that i had previously given. as though he wanted to look like he was solving and naturally reached the correct conclusion.

[Euphony]

I don't think we should flashwagon Quentin.

Kanna, I asked because I'm trying to get some insight into whether your peacemaking approach in regards to the main wagons was indicative of role or alignment.

~~? Hectic

[Euphony]

I get what you're saying about no more claims, but roles aren't indicative of alignment and we should be trying to hit most likely scum though.

VOTE: Drew-Sta L-1
shiki and I think this right now

}34# Hectic

[Euphony]

Is Drew in the pool? You said you've never felt great about him.

[]= Hectic

[Euphony]

Yeah, I got my order ages ago.

4-'# Hectic

[Euphony]

Your favourite pastime.

-== Hectic

[Euphony]

I don't understand what Kanna is doing

]]]= Hectic

[Euphony]

Why did I see that #1000 on the previous page for a second???

-== Hectic

[Euphony]

The Doctar really doesn't feel like scum recently, why are you both blindly sheeping Kanna?

£$} Hectic

[Euphony]

Why are we voting Drew now?

i think because some of his posts felt lamist, pepper is sorta towning it up, and my gut is pinging me.

Why are we voting Drew now?

i think because some of his posts felt lamist, pepper is sorta towning it up, and my gut is pinging me.

+1

???

[p# Hectic

[Euphony]

Doctar's last few posts feel really genuine. I want to go Drew or Quentin now.

︻╦̵̵͇̿̿̿̿╤── Hectic

[Euphony]

VOTE: Quentin

FINE. This is what the day has come to.

?£$' Hectic

[Euphony]

Drew has better chance of flipping scum but no one wants do that now apparently.

Quentin is a treasure so this pains me. shiki was raging on MSN chat the other day that we could potentially lose him. He means a lot to us.

!!! Hectic

[Euphony]

8/10 btw

$~ Hectic

[Euphony]

Your acceptance of wanting to be lynched and wishing us luck I rarely see coming from scum. Do you still think you're the optimal lynch?

4=; Hectic

[Euphony]

...Yes, but I buy it. Should I not be?

I'm happy to switch back to Drew if enough people do, but it might just be better to purge Quentin rather than paranoia lynch him in LyLo.

_+= Hectic

[Euphony]

@euph, do things ~make sense~?

because otherwise, with *no news*, things aren't making sense and we are lynching Euphony as per flipped town captain who controlled our PR's

EUPH DO YOU HAVE INFO

i believe that kanna thought we were the watcher as evidenced by this post:

Too much internet fries you brain, you should watch some more TV

Do you agree?

she asked quantumquasar a similar question earlier:

@QQ; but have you watched....The Imitation Game? (๑•̀ㅁ•́๑)✧

if we were the watcher and kanna died in the night and we reported no news it would mean we were scum since she would have had the watcher target herself.

Almost like they knew QQ would flip town and it would be something she could back off and let happen and want no trace of.

it was a frustrating vote for me since i thought quantumquasar had a higher than random chance of being an officer. i okayed it as the day was nearly over, hectic thought doctorpepper was being towny, officers have no guarantee of being town, and despite my efforts i could not tell if quantumquasar's posts were meant to draw in scum or not. if we were trying to back off of it and let the lynch happen without us to leave no trace wouldn't we have simply not voted?

[Euphony]

++' Hectic

[Euphony]

Drew, people were active near deadline, so we had enough time to switch wagons if necessary. Why'd you go from being very cautious/reserved with your vote for most of the day phase to hammering without hearing a claim?

Ico, why do you read the Doctar as town for surviving yesterday, rather than scum who has resistance to his wagon by virtue of having a buddy?

}}~ Hectic

[Euphony]

Actually I have a new proposal; if we don’t lynch DP today, can DP be treated as an IC from now on?

In DP I trust

In that case, I’d rather go Drew

VOTE: Drew-Sta

Should I sheep my Kaptain??? I still think the Doctar EoD was very genuine/towny.

9;0 Hectic

[Euphony]

@datisi

actually, aldus!scum -> lynch drew
and aldus!town -> lynch euphony

Why? What are the associations there?

[Euphony]

~~~ Hectic

[Euphony]

VOTE: Quantum Quaser

this game is a dumpster fire rn but I feel QQ is never going to be productive and has a decent chance of being scum so

What made you think Quentin had "a decent chance of being scum" at the time?

{}= Hectic

[Euphony]

I think I'm currently at:

Oogle Boogle
Doctar - Datisi
Ico
Alduskkel
Drew-Sta

Note, this isn't a shiki-approved readslist; one of those will come later.

¬_/--- Hectic

[Euphony]

Mostly a toneread; he comes across as natural. Feels very similar to previous games Iäve had with him where he was town.

ßü^ Hectic

[Euphony]

Why do you think it isn't warranted?

$^^ Hectic

[Euphony]

How is it convenient for scum, rather than trying to push and lynch you today?

__/#### Hectic

[Euphony]

Right, so have you looked through who were the first to townread/flip on you EoD yesterday, and then who then followed the flow? You shouldn't apply a blanket "everyone who flipped on me is sus".

£4= Hectic

[Euphony]

@datisi

actually, aldus!scum -> lynch drew
and aldus!town -> lynch euphony

Why? What are the associations there?

Ico?

÷7/ Hectic

[Euphony]

Drew, people were active near deadline, so we had enough time to switch wagons if necessary. Why'd you go from being very cautious/reserved with your vote for most of the day phase to hammering without hearing a claim?

Could you address this, Drew? If you're town, I want you to explain what was going through your mind and why you just went for it. Was it just lol impulse, did you think Quentin wasn't a PR/Officer for whatever reason, did you change your mind and think he could be scum... etc. Try and explain your thought process please.

₩>>> Hectic

[Euphony]

don't acknowledge its existence and play this mountainous

scum can claim commander as well and if your a town commander welllllllllllllllllllllllll

^This.

Also, a note:
If we run up someone and they claim commander, we should always be assuming they're either scum fakeclaiming to get a counterclaim, or legitimately the scum commander, and they should be hammered and discussion beyind that point is not a good idea. There's no point assuming they're town commander since it's a loss either way in that scenario.

><>@÷ Hectic

[Euphony]

@datisi

actually, aldus!scum -> lynch drew
and aldus!town -> lynch euphony

Why? What are the associations there?

Ico?

÷7/ Hectic

poe and the QQ lynch

I mean, elaborate on why aldu!scum means Drew, and town means us.

#€% Hectic

[Euphony]

Datisi; if you thought the game state made Quentin town, then why would it result in a loss to take him to LyLo - assuming you were there too and maintained that read?

I think I asked you this earlier, Ico, but why aren't you considering the Doctar wagon dissolving because he's scum with resistance on the wagon from his buddy? Sure, it could have dissipated because scum think "we can leave this guy around to mislynch later", but can't it also be a "oh no my buddy is lonch i will swing wogon to Qonton"?

Although, proposing the theory that Ico and Doctar were left alive yesterday as some rook to a8 move to rebattle/distract today is kinda towny.

_/;;*** Hectic

[Euphony]

low key feeling like datisi is scum

too hopeful coming into this day phase. actual townies would have crippling depression

I think this is slightly towny actually, unless he knows it looks towny to randomly shade someone in the townbloc not getting lynched today.

75£ Hectic

[Euphony]

I think I need to (눈‸눈) someone from [Oogle, Datisi, Doctar, Ico] and I'm not sure who. Drew + Alduskkel doesn't feel right given the current wagons.

%*?^^^ Hectic

[Euphony]

It does alarm me when Ico gives thoughts he doesn't seem to have compelte backing/logic behind. It's why I want you to elaborate on your Doc flip and ald[scum/town]>Drew/Euphony thing. Especially the latter actually.

/€¥% Hectic

[Euphony]

I mean, elaborate on why aldu!scum means Drew, and town means us.#€% Hectic

i'm not certain of this, and i'll probably flip flop a few times over before the EoD

I know you said you're not certain, but just the basic thoughts which made you think it in the first place.

~■》 Hectic

[Euphony]

hecboi where is shiki and where are her reads

Very Soon.TM

Also, stop ignoring my ignoring my questions, Ico.

_//^*^ Hectic

[Euphony]

For me, Euph's initial interest in getting out of RVS by bringing in the meta stick and casting shade on me got my attn. It seemed like they dug out dirt to create a case. The fact they didn't apply this same logic to everyone else, despite their proclamation that meta was important, seemed unusual.

How are you still caught up about this when we've explained many times that you had the only alignment-indicative entrance, which is why we only brought your meta up? No one else was town or scum-indicative in a significant way with their entrance, so there wasn't any point highlighting them.

7&("" Hectic

[Euphony]

More thoughts later.

,,£== Hectic

[Euphony]

Note, this isn't a shiki-approved readslist; one of those will come later.

hecboi where is shiki and where are her reads

my current readslist looks something like:

datisi
iconeum
okapoka
doctorpepper
drew-sta
alduskkel

i am pretty sure datisi and iconeum are town. i think scum!datisi would have taken a different approach to my early game and i don't think this:

Why is the 364 link broken, Hectic? It doesn't lead to the 364 in this thread.

oh wait, you included a space in the post tag and that broke it. lmao i almost got excited.

comes from scum. iconeum's progression on us seems very difficult to simulate as scum and i did not find anything similar in either of its scum games.

that lynch on QQ didn't happen without scum's assistance

there is no way i'm allowing a lynch off-wagon

this makes sense to me. it feels likely it was a scum motivated wagon. datisi blames herself for the lynch but i am just as much at fault. i okayed a vote on someone i thought was quite possibly a named towny. i am pretty sure datisi is town and hectic is pretty sure okapoka is town based on recent experiences with him, which leaves drew-sta and alduskkel. i think drew-sta's hammer was pretty scummy. it did not allow time for quantumquasar to claim and it felt like drew-sta was trying to make it less scummy by preemptively pointing out reasons it was inconsistent with what he had previously stated:

But I’ve said I will only vote Kanna or Dr today. If I hammer, it will again weaken my position as town.

which doesn't make a lot of sense to me since the other wagon was on him at the end of the day and the towniness of his statement was erased by the hammer itself. alduskkel's reads are so far from my own and seem to be angling for any non-drew lynch that becomes viable.

low key feeling like datisi is scum

this read felt disingenous given the reasoning provided. datisi had up until that point only asked the obvious questions coming into the day and followed up on okapoka's vca.

Euphony kinda pings me too, especially:

...seems inconsistent or fake.

i believe hectic was expressing frustration on my behalf. i find it hard to imagine that no one aside from myself thought that quantumquasar's roleplaying was more likely than not to come from an officer.

I still find you(iconeum) and DP suspect.

doctorpepper is an interesting inclusion here because it hasn't felt like alduskkel has attempted to pressure or sort the slot despite taking the opposite trajectory of other players. you were originally townreading him and moved to scumreading him, though never placed a vote despite the wagon.

drew's acceptance of it's lynch is odd

Well, didn't DP get townread for it?

doctorpepper seemingly waited for the pressure to move off of him before questioning why it did so and drawing it back onto himself ad infinitum, which is consistent with his continued suspicion of anyone who is townreading him now who wasn't always.

i find it really hard to believe that town!alduskkel thinks both iconeum and datisi are likely scum here while scumreading doctorpepper and us as well while also questioning his townread of drew-sta with only okapoka as a strong townread.

having discussed, hectic and i will:

VOTE: alduskkel

drew-sta seems like the most likely partner to me followed by doctorpepper.

[Euphony]

Well, that was fun. o7 to the crew, the Chain is in good hands now.

shiki and Oogle were both amazing partners.

┳*-- Hectic