Mini Normal 2138 | Fungi Mafia | Game Over!

[Luna Fox]

Hello all.
VOTE: Firebringer

[Luna Fox]

luna tell me ur town

I'm town this time dw.

[Luna Fox]

I believe u

Please dont make me paranoid of you, I'm pretty sure you cant be townreading me this early after our last game.

[Luna Fox]

See, Churros can tell that I can't be townread yet.

[Luna Fox]

I believe u

Please dont make me paranoid of you, I'm pretty sure you cant be townreading me this early after our last game.

but u paranoid is more fun to me.

Meanie.

[Luna Fox]

I wonder if this game flavor is a meta commentary on how mafia players are fungus

Ewww gross

[Luna Fox]

maybe this is multiball hmm

I thought Mini normals cant be multiball.

[Luna Fox]

Luna we could discuss your alignment but I find more important to discuss who's best girl from K-ON ?

I watched K-ON such a long time ago, that i dont remember anyone's names.

[Luna Fox]

Also if FB'd approved my vote he would be sheeping me. So more votes onto FB pls.

[Luna Fox]

NC probably town.

[Luna Fox]

Gee wiz. Super serious Nero Cain doesn't like my memey posts. I didn't expect that at ALL.

Where did this happen? I dont see him commenting on anything of yours.

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait 85 was your post, idk why i thought it was a peter pan post.

[Luna Fox]

I'm gonna change my vote to profii because as we all know scum enter the thread by saying "Hi"
VOTE: profii

But i also entered the thread by saying Hi.

[Luna Fox]

Also I think Zantetsu's probs town.

[Luna Fox]

why would you vote yourself

He's sheeping me. It says right there on his post!

[Luna Fox]

Also I think Zantetsu's probs town.

ohhh missed this.

anyone else?

Nero Cain, so far this seems like his town meta.

[Luna Fox]

Well Nero Cain's meta is pretty hard to mistake.

Even tho i did that once lol, im still ashamed of myself of that

It's not as clear cut as the old Creature meta, but it's similar.

[Luna Fox]

Yo FB, what do you think of the people who have legit scumread you so far.

[Luna Fox]

its hard for me to tell with Nero. I don't know what u look for.

If he's very apathetic, barely pushes anything and/or doesnt have much thread pressence he's scum.
Otherwise, he's town.

[Luna Fox]

It's one of the reasons why I couldnt push him on the previous game unless I did a very scummy read flip or unless he guilty'd me. It's kinda hard to ML someone who such a different meta.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway, I wanna vote this now.
VOTE: popo

[Luna Fox]

may be swayed to some degree by Luna being so sure that you are town.

I wasn't "so sure" earlier, but with the latest posts i'm more sure now that he's town.

[Luna Fox]

Norwe's probably town as well.

[Luna Fox]

may be swayed to some degree by Luna being so sure that you are town.

I wasn't "so sure" earlier, but with the latest posts i'm more sure now that he's town.

I don't know your history playing with nero.

Are you accurate enough when reading him and confident enough in this read to recommend people sheep your read here?

Literally every game i've played with Nero scum is much different than every game i've played Nero town.
So far I've never seen an instance of him breaking that pattern, I did get meta wrong in one game but was because I was looking at activity alone (and even the activity wasnt that great).
I'm gonna townread him based on this, but it's up to you whether you want to sheep that meta read of mine or not, until I can read him accurately 100% of the time I wouldnt suggest sheeping my read of him.

[Luna Fox]

UNVOTE:
I liked Popo's reaction to the L-1, totally not because of the new avatar, nope, not at all.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway that gave me a townlean on popo, might be worth exploring peter pan tbh. I don't see why Churros wants to wagon the lurker atm.
VOTE: Peter

[Luna Fox]

Firebringer reads as very pockety towards Luna tbh. I'm not sure i dig the whole "voting whoever you vote, Town!luna's reads are the BEST!" thing he's got going on.

It is possible, but I'm not sure a scum fire sheeps me onto himself (my previous post about sheeping me when i was voting him was a joke and now apparently he's proxying his vote to me?)

[Luna Fox]

no stay on peter pan he has been MIA since the wagon

This too.

[Luna Fox]

Saudade is town, probably.

What makes you think that?

prob b/c I've played with him and can read his posts this game.

????
Why are you answering a question directed as Churros as if it was asked towards you?

[Luna Fox]

He had no guarantee i would switch my vote tho.

[Luna Fox]

So what's the joke?

I'm refering to this post i made:

Also if FB'd approved my vote he would be sheeping me. So more votes onto FB pls.

You are saying that Firebringer is not being pockety towards you because if he was he wouldn't have jokingly voted himself when you voted him?

NGL, i never expected him to actually sheep me onto himself and that gave me pause, there was no guarantee from scum him that i'd move my vote at any point thereafter.

I just can't buy that that is a legitimate argument given that a) it happened when he had only a few votes and no obvious attention from most players, b) he could switch it to someone else easily at any time for unimpeachable reasons, c) he did switch it pretty shortly thereafter, d) he explicitly stated that he was sheeping you and I think it's obvious that he was just trying to emphasize that point.

A and B: Yeah I guess that's a fair point that i didnt take into consideration.
C: He switched it because i did?
D: Yeah so?

You saying the Nero Cain whose meta you are so familiar with would not do that?

That was unrelated to alignment and more of a: "Why did you react to a post that wasnt directed at you as if it was directed at you?" as if Churros was a NC alt and he posted from the wrong account (which would make him cheating), but glad that wasnt an issue.

Just want to say it right now, if Firebringer and Luna are both scum, then Firebringer you suck, and Luna I feel sorry for you.

Well good thing Firebringer and Luna arent both scum then.

[Luna Fox]

Luna's answer to my question was townie

I think alch being like "I don't usually push my page one reads because lack of confidence but gosh darn it I'm going to do it this time" is townie

Popo's push about coaching seemed like they took the first response they could think of and I don't get the feeling they actually believe it, which pings scummy

profii asking about wagons is townie

firebringer taunting zan about pushing his read on firebringer is .... scum projecting confidence?

Scum should hammer me btw

No opinions on anyone else?

[Luna Fox]

Is this a joke or something? Why would I need an excuse for being absent? It would be scummy of me to patch up what has transpired.

Not to answer for Churros, but you weren't actually absent, you were posting in other game threads while not posting here.

I feel that steps into angleshooty territory.

VOTE: Jake

[Luna Fox]

Not to mention all he's been doing since he decided to start posting is "I do this as X in Y" instead of actually saying something about this game.

[Luna Fox]

Mission Accomplished:

Objectives completed:
> Get Luna to townread me
> Get Luna to sheep me.

I can say this game was a success no matter what happens.

I was tempted to say "No i'm not, I'm voting him coz Elitell and coz he still hasnt provided any useful info about THIS game".
But sure, that works.

[Luna Fox]

But if I flip town

????

[Luna Fox]

Luna, I am having doubts about u now.

if ur trying to make me paranoid of u like i did of u. That isn't fair.

Nothing im doing on purpose here.

[Luna Fox]

Death Miller?

First of all, that role isnt normal, second of all, having a secret role to what the mod told you would be Bastard.
I don't think you really believe that there's a way that a town you would flip anything other than town.

[Luna Fox]

jake trying to WIFOM us into thinking hes a town death miller after he flips scum. very smart.

I didn't even think of that. LOL
But that wouldn't fool anyone anyway.

[Luna Fox]

Why not bring that up FIRST, instead of saying "Maybe im a secret death miller, maybe there's a role that makes me flip scum" in a normal.

[Luna Fox]

Why not bring that up FIRST, instead of saying "Maybe im a secret death miller, maybe there's a role that makes me flip scum" in a normal.

Why pounce on inpresicion like that proves I'm scum?

Because a townie would be certain they'd flip town.

Although it's usually newer players that make that mistake when they roll scum.

[Luna Fox]

You brining that uncertainty and then saying things like "Death miller" looks like you're trying to explain away your flip before it happens.

[Luna Fox]

Why are you assuming that I am new?

I'm not assuming anything.

[Luna Fox]

Why are you assuming that I am new?

I'm not assuming anything.

Then why bring up that newbie bit?

It just means that if you're new, then it could mean something, and if you're not, then it probably means nothing.

[Luna Fox]

So now that we got that cleared up, why was your immediate reaction to bring up "Death miller" or "Flip manipulation roles"?

[Luna Fox]

Also how come you only started actually playing the game when you got a wagon on you?

[Luna Fox]

Do you have any meta of you lurking out Day 1 as town before that disproves Churros meta assesment of your play?

[Luna Fox]

Do you have any meta of you lurking out Day 1 as town before that disproves Churros meta assesment of your play?

If I did, would that mean anything?

Well it would mean that his meta assesment of your play is incorrect.

[Luna Fox]

Churros bringing up that you actually try to be solving the game in what little you post as town, but just "not knowing what to say" as scum, combined with the Elitell is pretty damning for you right now. Hence my vote.

[Luna Fox]

It portrays a mentality of you actually preferring to play town and figure out scum, than trying to deceive others while playing scum. Which means that if you're active elsewhere on the site while avoiding this game has a very high chance of it being related to you rolling scum this game.

[Luna Fox]

What the fuck?

[Luna Fox]

Why is the first thing we're doing today NKA?

[Luna Fox]

Elements was a null read for me, so if anything scum did me a favor eliminating more potential PoE from my reads. And there's several reasons why he could've been killed that you're probably never gonna find the right answer.
Now if a 1-shot vigi did kill him then they'll eventually claim, otherwise they wont, there's no need for a call to attention to it.

[Luna Fox]

I mean, mafia knows who they are, and they probably saw a town lurking as a sign of being a PR trying to not stand out too much. Sometimes they do that, or at least they used to do that years ago.
This is also the first time I see someone go "OMG A LURKER WAS KILLED RING ALL THE ALARMS"

[Luna Fox]

I'll try my best to ignore how much I find Luna scummy individually despiste her meta saying she's town here, and how weird I find a Elems kill, and keep my reads that I had in Night 1.

What meta lol.

[Luna Fox]

In your most recent wolf game you said you had broken your past wolf ranges and reading your ISO I found it...less impactful than I expected. You were one of the slots I was wary in early day 1, but I waited to see how it would develop. Your monotone TR on Fire is weird as well, but if that was your best wolf game, I don't know how I could argue you're scum here.

You were barely playing that game...it was kind of a really scummy ISO...

I wasnt tryharding until midway D2 that game.

[Luna Fox]

Who would you vote here Luna?

If i were to make a vote right now it would be you.

[Luna Fox]

I could see Luna/Nero or something else killing Elems since they have no urgency in killing anyone else

And yet you wonder why I wanna vote you.

[Luna Fox]

The one thing im struggling with right now is whether Churros would do said meta case on Jake just to get a mislynch on a Lurker, because that progression doesnt look like scum.

[Luna Fox]

Like, he clearly had something going onto Jake since early as he called it "the best vote" or something way back. And when we were chasing wagons like headless chickens he probably thought "I need to do something or Jake might lurk it out as scum" and so he presented the meta case that caused us all to lynch Jake.
But i've really disliked his read progression on me and his opening this day which felt like fake overreaction.
Which is what I struggle with.

[Luna Fox]

Luna I feel you're putting a show to the public for all to see how you're being solvy and a good townie girl, which makes me like even more the idea of murdering your slot, and a note that I should meta dive you because my meta can be wrong.

You're explaining every bit of thought process rather than coming to any conclusions to push or any inquiries to press me with.

You seem to want for us to understand where you are coming from rather than trying to understand where I would be coming from if town.

Well screw you, you want to shade me all the way im not gonna feel bad at all voting you
VOTE: Churros

[Luna Fox]

Of course I have emotions, i'm a human being.

[Luna Fox]

Of course I have emotions, i'm a human being.

But you've felt so passive to me all game, I don't know why you are getting a rise out of Churros having doubts on you.

Because he's shading me for trying to figure out his alignment.

[Luna Fox]

Of course I have emotions, i'm a human being.

I thought you were a fox.

I am both

[Luna Fox]

Why is the first thing we're doing today NKA?

What we should be doing instead?

Wagon analysis among other things.

[Luna Fox]

I was skimming and I think you did something similar to eragon in your wolf game.

I had a wolf game with Eragon? when?

[Luna Fox]

I remember seeing a post from someone asking you why you were voting Eragon or something, and you replied "because he scum read me".

I was town that game where you replaced in late and lynched FL then i lynched power in LyLo.

[Luna Fox]

what you think of norwe/peter/popop?

town/scum/town.
You should already know this if you read my posts yesterday.

[Luna Fox]

I guess sheeping the brilliant player will give better results than trying to lynch the scum everyone's townreading.
VOTE: Alchemist

[Luna Fox]

@Mod: You have Elements as being still alive.

Thank you, fixed!

-GB

[Luna Fox]

Why?

[Luna Fox]

not feeling am alch wagon. Why do we keep letting poppopop slide?

I think popo is town, why dont you feel an Alch wagon?

[Luna Fox]

I'm bored.

[Luna Fox]

hi fire

[Luna Fox]

Suggests to me that he is more interested in defending himself than solving.

I feel like you and I have very different reasons of "solving".

[Luna Fox]

*very different definitions

[Luna Fox]

I cast sheep on Luna Fox to have her sheep me.

Lol, NGL, i've been tempted to sheep you for a while.
Granted right now my reads are in disarray and im starting to think Norwe might be scum, Idk why Alchemist is being very absent this game which fuels my desire to sheep Saudade, but I can also see why you scumread Saudade.

And I'm just sitting here going "Well im clearly wrong somewhere but idk where".

[Luna Fox]

Suggests to me that he is more interested in defending himself than solving.

I feel like you and I have very different reasons of "solving".

What do you mean by that?

I think popo's trying to find scum?, that's pretty much solving.

[Luna Fox]

scum from least scummy to most scummy
nero
norwe
peter pan

Nah, this is Nero's town game.

[Luna Fox]

Since clearly no one cares about my opinion im gonna go back to playing videogames.

[Luna Fox]

Can you point out where you think he clearly is trying to find scum?

Yeah sure, both times he's been put to L-1 for example.

[Luna Fox]

Although I think it's pretty obvious I think his attempt at solving when he was put at L-1 yesterday is indicative of town since I switched my vote at the time.

[Luna Fox]

Luna please point out the exact posts that you think were popop trying to solve while he was at L-1.

238 1056 1057 1058 1063 1073

[Luna Fox]

The only post you mentioned that could have factored into your town read of him at that time was 238.

Oh I thought you wanted also the posts about solving after his 2nd L-1 too, since I said he's been attempting to solve after both L-1s:

Yeah sure,

both times

he's been put to L-1 for example.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway, now that we understand the question, can you explain why you would town read popop for his response to his first L-1 being post 238?

As I said, it felt like he was trying to solve the game, particulary I felt resonance with this part:

ALSO HE LITERALLY SAYS HE LEANED TOWN ON ME BUT PUT ME AT L-2?????????????????

[Luna Fox]

Also I thought FB changed his vote back to Saudade? that makes Popo L-2 not L-1, but that's just being nitpicky on wording, just like yours.

[Luna Fox]

luna why you voting alchemist and sheeping my scumread Saudade?

Because i dont tr alchemist and i tr saudade.

[Luna Fox]

I admit tho:

i swear to god if i lose 2 town games in a row i will massacre all weebs

This kinda made me want to sheep him.

[Luna Fox]

The thing about "If i lose 2 town games in a row" Like, i'd feel bad if i dont sheep him, alchemist is actually scum and we lose.
As for my TR on Saudade, he actually came in and tried to solve too.

[Luna Fox]

Are you trying to imply something.

[Luna Fox]

Ok that's fair, but why should i know how a normal tier of town!Saudade behaves, the only time I've played with him he did most solving D1 and caught Eragon and then just kept telling people to vote Eragon then died N1.
I could be convinced otherwise? sure, right now the only super strong TR i have is Nero, and that's mostly meta based, I haven't been able to see anyone radiate town this game yet, maybe except Popo in his last indignant posting about being lynched.

[Luna Fox]

Tbf i did think Saudade could be scum through D1, after he came and start solving or fake-solving whichever of the 2 it is, it kind of reminded me of that game i played with him, but seems like he's gone and dissapeared again, if he didnt want to spend time solving the game then why did he even join here?. Like sure we all have other things we like to do, but it seemed like he only came and started solving because he HAD to, rather than because he WANTED to. So maybe you're on to something.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Saudade
You know what, I'll just be useless together with you, rather than with him.

[Luna Fox]

do u still think alchemist is scum?

He's still a big ball of null.

[Luna Fox]

But I feel like if Saudade did really feel like he doesnt want to "lose another town game" he'd be more actively solving instead of feeling like his solving is forced.

[Luna Fox]

whats conflicting u or u literally drawing blanks here?

The later

[Luna Fox]

Or, we could just vote Saudade.

[Luna Fox]

@luna how u feeling about proffiiii?

Don't like, and i think there's merit in the scum cases about him

[Luna Fox]

Kinda? I still he's null, but I feel better about Saudade flipping scum.

[Luna Fox]

I'm surprised the ammount of people that didn't read my interactions with firebringer about saudade.

[Luna Fox]

3) Alch was jailed by townie

Why do people keep mixing up Jailkeeper with Alien.

VOTE: Peter

[Luna Fox]

I had that doubt but I remember reading the wiki and it showing that jailkeeper blocks night actions, therefore I considered that maybe this is a possibility

A jailkeeper blocks the night actions commited by the target and blocks any nightkill towards the target.
An alien roleblocks and rolestops the target.

[Luna Fox]

I feel like I'm in a minority of people scum reading Luna

Do you want to die that badly, fine.
VOTE: profii

[Luna Fox]

Fun fact: no one has voted Luna this game. Not even one single time. Not even an RVS vote.

You know, that is a very fun fact indeed.

[Luna Fox]

I'm a fox, not a wolf, get your animals straight!

[Luna Fox]

Luna do you really think it's more productive to switch to profii right now instead of staying on Peter?

I dont doubt Peter can get lynched without me and I dont doubt there's support for a profii wagon either.
So i'm just gonna vote the person that scumread me instead since that has higher chances of hitting scum.

[Luna Fox]

you don't feel what

You really have a scum read on popop

you're flaking every three posts or so

"maybe scum is elsewhere though"

"maybe popop voting pattern is town indicative"

etc

that's town indicative for peter though

:thonking:

[Luna Fox]

Maybe it's just Peter/Profii/Saudade.
Part of me wants to hammer without a claim.
Part of me wants to stay on Profii because he scumread me.

[Luna Fox]

What does that mean Luna?

I feel like it could be Saudade trying to avoid a buddy getting lynched, but if any of you think Saudade is town then you should probably take more stock in what he says, since he's the supposed pro at this. I personally havent felt anything townie from Peter's posts and I'm supposed to be the master of townreading people accurately.

[Luna Fox]

What does that mean Luna?

I feel like it could be Saudade trying to avoid a buddy getting lynched, but if any of you think Saudade is town then you should probably take more stock in what he says, since he's the supposed pro at this. I personally havent felt anything townie from Peter's posts and I'm supposed to be the master of townreading people accurately.

when did everyone decide that im good at mafia lmao

You're self proclaimed good at mafia.
Last game with you, you caught 2 scum day one.
Are you telling me I shouldnt believe these things as indicative of you being good at mafia?

[Luna Fox]

Tell me in under 3 sentences why Peter pan is scum because I dont see it and you haven't outted a single read since I started paying attention this game

pfft, i can do that in 1:
"He's not a townread and hasnt been a townread the entire game"

[Luna Fox]

So he's null at best therefore he's getting roped
?

That's how I work, yes.

[Luna Fox]

So he's null at best therefore he's getting roped
?

That's how I work, yes.

did you just scum claim

lol, you wish.
I Have had trouble getting townreads this game, and as a result I dont mind lynching someone everyone else thinks is scum that i dont townread.
P-Edit: I generally dont get scumreads, unless I have very strong reasons to scumread someone, or someone scumreads me.

[Luna Fox]

I wish I remembered playing with you before it would've been a great cross-reference

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82360 Here's my previous game with you.

[Luna Fox]

I really need a VC for this

I mean, just take the previous VC and shift me to profii and shift popopo to Peter Pan.

[Luna Fox]

75% of the times someone scumreads me when im town they are scum, so I'm pretty confident just OMGUSing everything that scumreads me / votes me.

[Luna Fox]

is this the part where i be cheeky and call u scum?

Nah, i'm townreading you pretty hard right now.

[Luna Fox]

Fire...he had a non-zero chance of being town PR if he's ever town...

but ok I guess

What Town PR sees they’re at L-1 and goes “ok I guess I’m getting lynched bye guys.”

A "town" voyeur

I'm actually surprised how everyone in that game forgot how i acted before the claim.

[Luna Fox]

I'm actually less confident on Saudade scum now.