Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[iamironcat]

Hola, also had some mafia history in other places. Have never played a mafia game which lasted this long tho. I don't get the vote for Votato so VOTE:

gibus

[iamironcat]

this is known as the RVS, or Random Vote Stage, where people vote for silly reasons to get the game started, and then we gradually progress to more serious posting as we get a few bandwagons going.

Fine, VOTE: votato

[iamironcat]

I don't usually bandwagon, but when I do...

VOTE: lilith2013

[iamironcat]

Gibus you’re like a ping pong ball with your votes. It’s looking sloppy and thoughtless. At some point I’m going to ask you to justify that. Are you prepared to do that?

It's RVS, scum

VOTE:

Freddiethelady

[iamironcat]

I bolded it on my end.
That being said, it's quite clear that Freddie is scum since they're trying to buddy me with Lilith. Also saying I'm lurking which is false, my time zone is on the other side of the world. By the time I get online, there's not much for me to contribute to. If you want to say that's scummy, it's fine but there's more town than scum here.

Imma stick to my vote this time, mostly coming out of RVS.

[iamironcat]

It's funny how freddie is saying that filiiping is a mafia move - like that's the last thing they would do.
That being said, if I get killed tonight, investigate Lilith. I have a FOS on them.
It might be possible they would put the blame on Freddie.

[iamironcat]

It's funny how freddie is saying that filiiping is a mafia move - like that's the last thing they would do.
That being said, if I get killed tonight, investigate Lilith. I have a FOS on them.
It might be possible they would put the blame on Freddie.

derp flipping*

[iamironcat]

also, since my lack of was mentioned, ya'll might notice my activity happening during this time for it's my afternoon

[iamironcat]

Idgi, you’re voting for Freddie but you’re also worried they’d be blamed?

Also, this is your afternoon? It’s mine as well! Where are you from?

Don't worry, I'm suspicious of you as well.
I'm in +8 gmt and I think there are others in this game from our similar time zone as well

[iamironcat]

Who said that Freddie would be blamed?

[iamironcat]

Suspicion list:
1. Lilith
2. Freddie
3. Feathers
4. Gimbus
5. Votato

No strong reasons atm, mostly based on them feels

[iamironcat]

Haven't heard from lillili, Formerfish.. maybe I'm blind and they've posted, I've only seen 2 posts from fish so far - but again, I'm blind.

[iamironcat]

Idgi, you’re voting for Freddie but you’re also worried they’d be blamed?

Also, this is your afternoon? It’s mine as well! Where are you from?

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

Here's how it goes in mafia's mind:

Ok, so Freddie suspects cat and vice versa so let's NK cat and say that Freddie killed cat

idk if that makes sense but its crappy mafia move to kill those who suspects each other so maybe I'm wrong after all

[iamironcat]

This is simply a list of people who are active. Not a good list

In case you missed it:

Haven't heard from lillili, Formerfish.. maybe I'm blind and they've posted, I've only seen 2 posts from fish so far - but again, I'm blind.

How can anyone add these guys to any suspicion list when they've only posted < 2 times?

FOS votato

What is derp flipping?

I spelt flipping wrong in the previous post.

The reason I pointed out how many times Gibus voted was because he voted over 5 times in a few votes. I see your point about RVS but if you look at the advice and the other comments I made about Gibus you might be able to recognize my motivation is not scum. Why do you call me scum?

The game usually goes like this:
Everyone is scum unless proven otherwise = despite there are only 2-ish scums here.. I'm also a suspect for posting during my time zone + participating in RVS but I'm not asking them why do they vote me because we're trying to come out of RVS.

VOTE: Iamironcat

You voted because he showed paranoia? Scumpoints to you.

Having a suspect list is paranoia? Didn't know that.

Paranoia, poor logic, a scum list that's too long, no reasoning. You can scumread me for that if you want

Specifically said it was based on them feels from RVS. I might be able to come up with more logic as we're possibly coming out of this stage.

[iamironcat]

VOTE:

lilith2013

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

Here's how it goes in mafia's mind:

Ok, so Freddie suspects cat and vice versa so let's NK cat and say that Freddie killed cat

idk if that makes sense but its crappy mafia move to kill those who suspects each other so maybe I'm wrong after all

If I'm right, then Freddie is "town"

[iamironcat]

1. Lilith
2. Feathers
3. Gimbus
4. Votato
5. Freddie

unsure: new cat and fish

I've updated my list, this is based on most to least suspicious

[iamironcat]

so if everyone posted youd suspect everyone? i disagree. I dont have any very strong scum reads yet. I cant yet tell if ironcat is very noob or scummy. But i get noobtown vibes from feather, gibus, and freddie.

I'm fine with your disagreement.

The point is to eliminate suspicion which is part of my attempt.
If I'm wrong, then tell me what's the better way to root out the 2-ish scum?

[iamironcat]

I think Ironcat is just phrasing his ideas in a different way right.. seems like his 'reads' is just for a lack of positive evidence aka 'people who have posted/voted enough to be analyzed, but not cleared for townspeople yet'. He doesn't actually mean he already thinks over half of the group is strongly mafia.

Honestly I'm beginning to think Ironcat's a townsperson now. His method is pretty wack but he really believes in it, and has been really active and not afraid to push opinions and names out there, even if they're getting really controversial. I feel like a mafia member doesn't really want to do that.

Hopefully this doesn't end up biting me in the back..

I think scum would play the game close to the chest and not post out suspicions this early (?).
That being said, I've played this game on other places and this has a different feel like the whole RVS thing. On other places, people get really worked out with that but I personally find that fine.

I can't believe I'm saying this but Freddie is my town read atm but this opinion might change.
I'll try to gather more town reads when possible.

[iamironcat]

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

This makes an odd amount of sense, but the thought that you would die over 3 SEs is puzzling. Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards.

I said "me or the others who suspect them" but you're changing it into a story about me being a celebrity here. Strange scum move.

[iamironcat]

Here you talk about yourself being killed tonight based off a random read from RVS within the first 10 pages.

Thats a lot of whatfuckingifs to check off to hit on the head. Hence why I mentioned that the idea that you would be the night kill as a puzzler.

Youre the person who thinks everyone is scum at first and we have to prove to you somehow that we arent, right?

Wasn't just talking about self but anyways.
It's easy to kill anyone who's town and I might be one of them. Mafia might either NK those who they might consider having a good lead or those who were accused by another town to set them up.
In this case, I used myself as an example for easy talking.

Not asking anyone to prove me personally that I'm not scum. Just talking about my process of elimination.

Also, you seem to be taking a lot of things personally - hence projecting them onto me.

[iamironcat]

Yeah Ironcat that’s what I mean.. I’m thinking you’re town because you’re really putting out a bunch of strong and details suspicions early. So that’s like.. 2 out of 8 people I can trust rn, I guess that’s a start?

Or you know, this is how things could go ~

1. Potential mafia person: I think this person x is town.
2. Person x gets NK'd.
3. Potential mafia person: I was saying that person x is innocent, who suspected them? Let's set them up!

I really can't use myself as an example for fish would be triggered so I use person x as an example despite it doesn't make sense.

[iamironcat]

Not asking anyone to prove me personally that I'm not scum. Just talking about my process of elimination.

its so easy to use my words "process of elimination" against me. So I'll clarify in advance

Eliminating my suspicion. It's a form of deduction.

[iamironcat]

VOTE: Ironcat

Just to clarify, thats a vote on you for being overly concerned with how you appear to people.

You say that I have nothing else better to do in my life than to psychoanalyse you and according to you, the world revolves around me...
If you're not concerned about how you appear to others, you wouldn't need to feel that someone is psychoanalysis you.

I'm not sure what your problem is but it's quite clear you're taking this game too personally and projecting your true feelings onto others.

[iamironcat]

I'll steal this page top and

challange Ironcat

to a duel. You can pick weaopons and we shall fight at noon on the 6th day of the first phase.

Do you accept, you must bold yes or no.

I'm not interested in your self glorified victimisation.

VOTE: Formerfish

[iamironcat]

Possible scum buddies:

fish and lilith

See how fish projects a lot of insecurities onto me after my vote for Lilith? I'd be proud to be your scum buddy. Too bad I'm not.

[iamironcat]

I think that's just they're schtick. I doubt they're taking it personal at all.

Ironcat, please dont attempt to psychoanalyze me, my shrink does a fine job.

And the line about me being triggered, woo, thats a bit of gaslighting that i havent seen in awhile.

I suggest you ask around about me and see if anyone thinks that ive been triggered so far.

But i guess im just triggered and this is nothing but an omgus vote. I suppose we shall see what it will be, because after you flip there'll be no more of your lip.

Sounds like they were offended with the usage of the word "triggered" such that it was mentioned twice

edit:

You say that I have nothing else better to do in my life than to psychoanalyse you and according to you, the world revolves around me...
If you're not concerned about how you appear to others, you wouldn't need to feel that someone is psychoanalysing* you.

[iamironcat]

I'd be proud to be your scum buddy. Too bad I'm not.

Who is this directed to?

My favourite fishy friend!

[iamironcat]

tinfoil hat theory: formerfish/ironcat scum pair. their back and forth so far is just theater.

If I were scum, I would try to talk to fish as little as possible and wouldn't dare say that it was unfortunate that they were not my scum buddy.
Anyways, I'm the paranoid android here so I can appreciate this tin foil hat mode

[iamironcat]

People were on to gibus then copykat.. interesting
It would be strange that copykat is scum just because they were replaced early. There's def a scum feel about kat but i don't heavily suspect them despite the reasons given.
Saying this will DEFINITELY make us look like buddies since votatoe is saying that I'm distancing myself from them.

It seems like votato and brass are taking the lead of how the votes go. They seem to trust each other so I'd keep my eye on them.
Also votatayto, I appear as a cat but I'm actually 1's and 0's, so you don't have to consider me a feline.

I did a noob move by finding power town players such as masons in a noob scum game and got killed by an SK. I don't understand why people let gibus off the hook so early. I wouldn't

I think I'll trust Brass and votato on this and also UNVOTE: Gibus.

That's the very thing you've pointed bass out for doing.

That being said, I'll stand by my vote and not join any current wagons. Fishy had been projecting a great deal of their insecurity on me.
Saying that I give a shit about what people think about me or that I behave like a celebrity yet behaves in that exact way by telling me to ask people about him as if i give a shit about him and this

You say that I have nothing else better to do in my life than to psychoanalyse you and according to you, the world revolves around me...
If you're not concerned about how you appear to others, you wouldn't need to feel that someone is psychoanalysing* you.

You can see how he hasn't responded after that. That being said, I give zero fucks about anyone opinion about me. Your projection was such a fail that it backfired.

That being said, I'm new with L-1 terms and hammering. I'll try to use them but since I'm not familiar, i expect it will make me look scummy if i don't use them appropriately(?)

[iamironcat]

i dont think people will think youre scum for using words wrong. in elmo's first posts there are some helpful links to the wiki that should help explain some jargon. L-1 = 1 vote away from a lynch. hammer = the vote that causes a majority and hence a lynch.

I understand the concept but haven't used these terms hence might use it not so appropriately or at the right time. I'll try to check when before posting when possible tho.

[iamironcat]

I understand the concept but haven't used these terms hence might use it not so appropriately or at the right time. I'll try to check when before posting when possible tho.

I understand the concept but haven't used these terms much, hence might use it not so appropriately or at the right time. I'll try to check before posting when possible tho.

idk why everytime i type, the words come out vodka

[iamironcat]

I think there was miscommunication here - I had the same thought as votato which was that you were scumreading everyone in your list of 5 people. instead it just seems that you have organized the list from scummiest to least scummy or vice versa. Are you still suspicious of votato now?

Yep, that was it. I didn't mean to say everyone was scum in that list but rather a terrible sort which i didn't explain and bam.
I think I have to agree with this point here:

I like that votato is not afraid to push against people townreading him easily.

they seem likely town, but i find it interesting how vota and bass are leading the votes. Perhaps we should trust them after all but I'm a paranoid android and I'm not one of trusting when it comes to mafia games.

why can't you believe you're saying this? It seems like you're saying you should be townreading feathers based on his post but you don't want to for some unknown reason. comes off as fencesitty.

I suspected them quite early in the game when we were mostly in RVS mode. But I've seen them posting in a way which makes it looks town. So I'm quite sure of it. I'd come with a more reasonable approach when possible. I'm supposed to be WFH after all ;p

[iamironcat]

I'm unsure of these folks so maybe they're town after all. Reverse list of possible town in order ~
1. Freddie
2. Potato the unidoggo
3. bass
4. feathers
5. kat
6. gibus
7. Lilith

Ofc I could be VERY wrong in this list but derp, just trying to eliminate my suspicion here

Suspicious of lilith because fishyman behave really weird after I suspected her.

[iamironcat]

[quote="In why did you suspect feathers early on?

Omg sorry for the confusion. I suspect ... 8]post 203, iamironcat"]
I can't believe I'm saying this but Freddie is my town read atm but this opinion might change.[/quote]

It was mainly based on my #190 post
I could be wrong of course but freddie's response has seemed consistent so far, especially because of #345

ironcat is clearly non-native in english. fluent, but idioms, etc. dont seem to come naturally. i just think some of the subtlety from tone, etc. that most people can generally pick up on might be lost.

Naw, i only speak crappy English despite being in the similar timezone with feathers-san..

1) mafia is a mental and perception game. If you're going to be an asshole and get on everyone's cases when people discuss what your actions imply about your motivations, then you may want to reconsider playing this game. this is now the.. second? time you've been an asshole to someone because they were looking at how your posts represent your motivations, which is literally the point of the game.
2) I haven't even tried to ascribe emotions to you in the first place. here I'm saying that you are

acting angry

, not that you're angry.
3) if you're not actually upset when you've made these posts, then you're just being way more of an asshole than you need to be.
4) where did you tell me to "ask about you"?
5) I haven't "targeted" you at all, I think it's interesting that you seem to think I've picked you out of the crowd when I'm literally voting someone else and have interacted with multiple other slots.
6) I'm not particularly interested in engaging with people who are being assholes as a principle, but I'll happily be an asshole right back since you seem pretty determined.

SLAY

[iamironcat]

Hola TOWN FOLKS! o/

Who's the biggest suspect if copykat flips out town?
If they're indeed mafia, who would you suspect next?

[iamironcat]

feathers is 100% town. votato and gibus are probably town.

scum is likely in ironcat, freddy, lillith, fish, and brass

That's a lot of scums xD

Just to add on - lynching mafia on D1 can actually hurt town because they have less to work with in terms of analyzing how the dead mafia interacted with other players and determining who is most suspicious based on that. Bussing is a fairly common strategy on this site, so don’t expect that players who are attacking each other are always the opposite alignment.

There are a couple of people attacking each other. Say if one of them turns out scum, wouldn't we immediately suspect the attacker?
That being said, I get the concept of bussing despite I would rather do it in the later parts of the game if I were in a scum-like night team.
It's so easy to detect distance with fewer players.

lilith2013 -> I didn't like your interaction with fish. You didn't mention any of his posts in your recap (#351) and you accuse him of first throwing shade on your slot and then WhiteKnighting you, neither of which I think he did (I didn't see #412 when I posted this, I take this back. I now put you in yellow.). I also disagree with #372, where you hop on the copykat wagon because he hopped on my wagon (sensible reason).

Another strong reason why I say they're my next suspect apart from fishyfriend.
Fish behaved really strange after my vote on her. Lilith had been reasonable so far until the whole "oh so you were being an asshole to someone else, not me, I'm good then" despite her original post was point out his overall assholerisms (why isn't that a word :c)
OFC, feel free to correct me if I'm not understanding something here.

brassherald -> I'm neutral because he hasn't posted much and I don't like how he voted copykat for hopping on the wagon (I found copykat's reason sensible) while he hopped onto my wagon because my posts seem "off".

I also pointed out a "buddy" thing going on with votato and bass. I think votato is town but not sure about bass. It's a good move to play buddy with general town for scum in the early games.

Of course, this post has convinced me that gibus is town.

[iamironcat]

If someone leads a lynch on scum, I think it's natural to assume that the people who lynched scum are town because they wouldn't want to lynch their own teammate and would instead try to defend their teammate from being lynched.. Bussing subverts the natural assumption so we can no longer assume that scum would always protect their teammate from being lynched.

Last I checked, the votes on copykat so this wouldn't work for my case if you were right.

Ironcat, you keep saying this, can you explain why you think so? iirc he didn't have any behavior before you voted me so there's not really a set of posts for comparison. I think his behavior overall is strange and overaggressive, but I don't think it has anything in particular to do with me and I'm not really sure where you're getting this from.

Well, I haven't played a game with him apart from this one. So in my perception, he got aggressive after my suspicion of you.

See here:
#190
Voted you. No attacks from my side to fish

204
Talks about me being a celebrity. Starts to get personal after I said "Strange scum move" in the next few posts.

224
OF COURSE it's such a town move to want to lynch someone regardless of their alignment purely based on emotion.

Will post in the next 12-ish hours or so.

[iamironcat]

The point is that you can’t assume two people arguing will always include one town. I’m not applying it to any particular case in this game.

I'm not assuming that. I'm just saying how this idea of bussing doesn't apply to this case.

What I’m saying is that formerfish hadn’t posted before 190, so I think him choosing to vote you isn’t related to you voting me. Like it’s not like he was being unaggressive before you voted me and then suddenly became aggressive; he just hadn’t posted at all before that.

Fish posted before this but nothing much in particular. On 190, I voted for you and responded in particular to this post.

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

It was part of an idea I had to draw out scum. I put myself up as bait and say "investigate this person if I get NK'd".
It's hilarious how he says:
"I don't like when people act like they know me and can read my mental state in a few posts in an online forum game."
Despite saying this about me:
"Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards."
^ Because you know, that's totally not acting like they know me and can read my "mental state" despite the fact that he indeed should follow his own advice of "That's insulting in so many ways. People should keep those types of terms out of their mouths"
But well, you know how it works. It's fine for him to act that way but not others :3

Anyhow, apart from strange activity from his end, the bait (about me potentially being NK'd) I used was a way to draw out scum. He took it.

well yeah bussing is unlikely, but there could easily be a staged fight

Personally, I'm not interested in drama regardless of alignment. Mafia is a drama game, but this shit isn't up my alley. I'm blunt and to the point.

Apart from my personal interested, mafia shouldn't be able to talk to each other until at night. So it's not like they can read each other minds and agree beforehand that they should stage a fight.
So again, those claims don't work in this context.

[iamironcat]

People I think are town:
freddie, votato, feathers, gibus

People I think are mafia:
fish, lilith

Since I'm not sure about the rest, they are more likely to be town. It's likely that I'm wrong so I will keep my suspicion for now.
Will be posting again after mostly WFH ;p

[iamironcat]

I am really confused how you can be scumreading me primarily due to what you think is fish chainsaw defending me. Do you think that scum blatantly defend each other in this game?

That's not my only reason
159

I bolded it on my end.
That being said, it's quite clear that Freddie is scum since they're trying to buddy me with Lilith. Also saying I'm lurking which is false, my time zone is on the other side of the world. By the time I get online, there's not much for me to contribute to. If you want to say that's scummy, it's fine but there's more town than scum here.

Despite I think fred's town, I still think you're being buddied with other town members.
I also suspect bass but more onto you thanks to fish.

So, in your opinion bussing isnt an option here. Why not? How much experience do you have with vetting potential bussing votes? Are you an expert?

I didn't say "it isn't an option".

How exactly does your idea help draw out scum? All I see if you randomly saying you have a FOS on Lil and if you get nked to look at her. That's a bit obvious of a move dont you think? I mean scum could easily not kill you, because lets be honest if youre town youre more of a boon to us then you are to scum, and then your gambit was meaningless.

I could had mentioned another player here but the result would be the same. I've recalled seeing this work on previous games so I thought I give it a shot. If it doesn't, then whatever.

But i guess im just triggered and this is nothing but an omgus vote. I suppose we shall see what it will be, because after you flip there'll be no more of your lip.

I'm not a boon to town, only you. And you're going to go out of your way to lynch me regardless of my alignment which is not only a scum move but overall bad for this game.

There is a difference between saying someones mental state has been triggered by someone else, and me saying I don't know you therefore don't put much stock in anything you say.

The only person talking about mental states, therapy, etc is you

Youre setting up a false dichotomy between the two when they aren't even remotely the same type of comment.

Oh, so saying:
"Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards."
isn't "act like they know me and can read my mental state in a few posts in an online forum game."
You say it's false because you fallacies only work when you use it.

Does it change anything to know that this statement is very wrong? Knowing that scum have day talk should make you reevaluate your reads, but I doubt youll do that, confbias is a real bitch to overcome when you arent actually looking for truth.

Definitely NOT acting like you know me and can read my mental state in this sentence.
But of course, only you can tell others to "reevaluate your reads, but I doubt youll do that, confbias is a real bitch to overcome when you arent actually looking for truth."

Anyhow, I missed out this day chat thing from the mod. So that makes me scum and I'm making an insane far fetched lie? Like you know, if I DID had access to a chat like this and start saying that I don't it would be really insane imo. But of course you are free to claim that I'm insane - the privilege of reading one's mental state only works for you.

484
Sounds like something a celebrity would say.

[iamironcat]

@lilith
I should had mentioned this earlier but the suspicion on you had grown.
I briefly described this in #447
Apart from what I've mentioned above, I think there are a few here that suspect you but why are you mostly highlighting my suspicion?

[iamironcat]

Because you keeeeep talking about me

I see you're as vain as fish.

Anyhow, I'm going to do something he hates and post a wall of text of analysis. Coming right up!

[iamironcat]

#27 - Lilith "saved" fish from themselves in the RVS stage
#46 - Feathers seems to get quite an early feel from votato being town
#83 - feathers says they're VT and votato says why they think they're town #115
#92 - Freddie being paranoid about gibus's RVS - town vibe
#98 - votato generally being helpful - town vibe as explained by feathers in #111
#117 - feathers also being paranoid and talks about Lilith in the suspect list
#119 & 124 - Freddie talks about Lilith "protecting ironcat" and spelling out their suspect about lilith
#127 - Lilith talks about wanting to get out of RVS asap which is agreed by town as a mafia move
#140 - I say Fred is budding me up with Lilith which feels like something scum would do, I also wanted to figure out about coming out of rvs
#144 - gibus is convinced that either Lilith or Freddie is town
#148 - I set up bait of "if I get NK'd investigate Lilith" to test gibus theory
#153 - gibus claim quicksolve - Lilith, fish and bass, explains their solve in #178 and #213
#157 - a list of people I suspect in order of scummiest to least, also talked about not seeing much from fish in #158. List explained in #189
#190 - from gibus quicksolve, I deduced that Freddie might be town and voted for Lilith and updated the list in #192
#197 - fish talks about feathers defending + voted for votato
#198 - votato talks about possible masons in the game
#201 - feathers pretty much described me in a nutshell
#204 - fish seems to have taken the bait to my "investigate Lilith if I get nk"
#208 - fish talks about gibus suspecting active people despite I was considered "lurking" before that
#218 - I briefly explained my reasons behind my bait as well as #219
#221 - fish says I'm psychoanalysing him and psychoanalyse me for being "concerned with how I appear to people".
#224 - fish wants me lynched regardless of my alignment
#234 - gibus suspects copycat and votato are masons
#236 - copykat points out why they think votato is town
#224 - I suspect lilth and fish as scum
#257 - copykat suspects me and fish as scum lovers who broke up and points out in the next post that scum is interested to find for masons
#274 - copykat votes gibus for a reasonable reason of how scum could slip while guessing who masons are
#278 - feathers tries to prevent a bandwagon
#283 - bass feels that kat is mercenary and explains why in #291 & #318
#293 - feathers talks about how bass is doing what he accuses copy kat of (he seems to be jumping from a full scum team guess to a full move off the same guess too quickly for my liking.)
#295 - votato talks about voting copykat
#316 - votato pairs me up with copykat and says that copykat is willing to kill ANYONE in #324 and does not see any merit in copykat's vote on gibus scumslipping
#341 - i pointed out how the votes moved from gibus to copykat. Points out how votato and bass are taking the leads on votes. talked about how i scumslipped in an early game by pointing out who i suspect to be masons.
#345 - freddie's reads
#351 - lilith points out how votato isnt afraid to push off people's potential scumread on them and points out gibus rvs as "scary" in #353
#356 - feathers talks about the experienced people moving their vote away from gibus
#368 - my town reads excluding fish
#372 - lilith joins on the wagon for copykat with the cheap reason of the gibus slip
#387 - fish suggesting people to ask bass about him
#391 - gibus tier reads with colours! explained in #445
#394 - lilith "oh i see you're not being an asshole to me, that's good. you can be an asshole to anyone, not just me (confirmed in #448)" despite originally talking about fish bad playstyle in the game in #389.
#413 - copykat asks "why would scum!me pass on the opportunity to vote gibus for calling out masons?", + "when I try to interact with the people voting for me and provide explanations they are all but ignored." lilith answers in #416
#415 - I ask town what would they do if copykat is scum or not, no answers
#429 - kat ties me up with fish (sounds kinky when i say it doesn't it)
#437 - gibus points out why the bus from me to fish wouldn't work and thinks either one of us is town
#441 - lilith jumps on the opportunity on the putting me up for bussing fish
#445 - gibus talks about his suspicion on lilith and bass which i concur in #447
#446 - feathers talks about their suspicion of how defensive fish is and how "I'm doing something but I can't say" as seen in #397
#455 - i briefly break down my suspicion on fish and talked about my idea of drawing out scum in #460. also missed out that mafia is able to talk in the day. reads in #461
#468 - fish points my idea to draw out scum might not work and then talks about his superior playstyle in #473 and #484. joins lilith on the idea of me bussing
#477 - gibus reads on fishy
#487 - meta fish post and post counts in #488 . also his town reads in #491
#494 - i point out on how fish is trying to set me up for not knowing about mafia day chat
#497 onwards - lilith tries to say i'm onto her for no reason
#506 - fish meta post on votato and will only talk about something votato is doing "later"
#515 - votato finally gives her reasons for voting copykat (i think it was feathers who was calling votato her)
#516 - lilith ignores that i had been talking about fish as well (nice distancing) and jumps on the votato analysis of copykat
#521 - copykat "both votato and lillith say we are better of lynching town than scum day one"

[iamironcat]

Anyhow, this analysis got me sure of my scum reads. Lilith and Fish.

Lilith cheaply jumps on any "leads" she can find. Such as the copykat slip and how I'm "bussing" fishyfriend. It's clear that her playstyle is scum.

Fish has shown themselves as town but thanks Lilith, it's clear that their interaction shows he's in her chat as well.

That being said, copy kat is town and so are the rest apart from these two that I've mentioned.

[iamironcat]

Btw, +1 scum points for her moving her vote over to me from kat. Pro scum move!
Like kat, I look forward to being lynched or even NKd

It's my night now, will be back in 9+ hours or so if town doesn't jump on that bandwagon. When my alignment turns up, look at my wall of text.

[iamironcat]

Anyhow, this analysis got me sure of my scum reads. Lilith and Fish.
Lilith cheaply jumps on any "leads" she can find. Such as the copykat slip and how I'm "bussing" fishyfriend. It's clear that her playstyle is scum.
Fish has shown themselves as town but thanks Lilith, it's clear that their interaction shows he's in her chat as well.
That being said, copy kat is town and so are the rest apart from these two that I've mentioned.

It's hilarious how lilth is completely ignoring my post and so clearly working with fish to lynch me xD
With the list that fish said I wasted my time on, I could point out the exact points and refer to the posts I'm talking about. But I see that it's pointless to do so here. Like any other mafia game, mafia relies on town to eat each other up and since most of the players are new here, they're clearly taking advantage of this fact.
If there's hope for town, I think the only person who might solve this game is eventually votato and gibus.

[iamironcat]

So I know this is useless, but I'll just wrap things up before I call it a day.

I'll narrow down why I consider Lilith and Fish are mafia and how I came to this conclusion.
This game is so heavy town that I drew it

twice

. With that, I come to the assumption I'm talking to town most of the time, but how do I filter out who's town and who's not?
So I did something counterintuitive and started out with a "process of elimination". I listed my suspicions from most to least (157) and eliminate my suspicion of them heavily due to their playstyle rather than what they say. I didn't check if they were behaving aggressive or not, but rather

consistent

.

It was easy to boil down from my highest suspect to the least: Lilith, bass, fish, feathers, kat and gibus.

Fomerfish
After I point out of him not posting much apart from "hi I'm here post". He posted more until I talked about the bait.
From that moment, he had been behaving defensive and accusing people of what he's doing.
One of the scummiest consistent behaviour I've observed is his determination to lynch someone (in this case, me) regardless of their alignment. The very same thing that copykat was accused of. This happened from the very beginning as observed in my meta post. 526

Lilith
Lilith had been jumping on "leads" and adding to them in order to lynch someone.
It started with copykat and her jumping on with her own reasoning as to why he is scummy.
Then she took the lead with someone talking about how I could potentially bus someone.
Noticed how in these cases, she didn't came up with the point but

jumps

on them. This is the mercenary feeling that bass was talking about, but he didn't see it in lilith.
Her scummy behaviour is not to help town, it is to

lynch

town.

Since I'm only able to narrow down the people I suspect as scum to two, I believe the rest are town.