Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

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Hi, what's up. I played on this site years ago on a different account but didn't do a whole lot and wasn't very good. I'll start reading the thread from the beginning.

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Who were you before?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=28557

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Ok serious question: any tips for reading games when you replace in?

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Welp, skimmed through the thread last night and realized at the end I thought I had replaced into a different slot. This sounds dumb and is and my excuse is that I thought I was replacing into the newbie slot. I work during ET 9-5 more or less—will do a more detailed read tonight.

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Welp, skimmed through the thread last night and realized at the end I thought I had replaced into a different slot. This sounds dumb and is and my excuse is that I thought I was replacing into the newbie slot. I work during ET 9-5 more or less—will do a more detailed read tonight.

I'll take the blame for that one....My bad....I can move people around in the role order if it makes you feel better....

Lol it’s my fault for not reading carefully and no one’s fault that this game has had so many replacements.

Yeah I’m in brassherald’s slot.

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Rereading the game start/RVS (through post 111)

Ok, so my general line of thought is that scum, especially newbies playing scum, are going to be cautious more likely than not.

gibus and votato seem much more comfortable playing than freddie. As in, they're more willing to post off the cuff than freddie--who seems naturally reserved/getting used to the game. I think newer players start off overthinking their posts a bit (tone tends to be calculated/forced neutral) and grow out of this as they become more comfortable. All this to say: Freddie seems reserved/cautious, but I don’t think it’s scummy.

Feathers has to be town right? If they’re scum, they were being coached because how else do you explain post 76 and [quote="In post 83. Even then, I don’t think scum would want to attract that much attention to their partner.

I *do* get brassherald’s issue with feathers, because they seem almost too good to be true? Like straight up understanding none of the rules and stuff like post 111 where they’re like “oh I’ve been reading guides on how to play!” They seem so eager…and then they replace out? But only my slot suspected them, and that wagon wasn’t going to gain traction, so it doesn’t really track that scum!feathers would replace out. Town!feathers makes more sense.

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Anyway VOTE: Unvote

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Through end of page 10.

Ok townreading Freddie. They seem kind of naturally reserved and serious, but I think it’s genuine, and their push on Lilith is assertive (post 119).

I think I…townread ironcat? Their logic sometimes feels like a stretch, but they don’t really have a problem putting it all out there and they get read/voted for it consistently—and respond by *leaning in* (post 190).

Ok, so I’m about to enter the phase where the main topic is about how Formerfish is Doing a Bit—ironcat and formerfish escalate it mutually, but ironcat gives like three angry posts where they say formerfish is triggered and accuses him of taking things personally. (post 218)

Formerfish’s vote on ironcat is a reach. I wouldn’t call ironcat overly concerned with appearances. post 223. Gibus’s vote on formerfish right after for being “disinterest” is bad tho.

No idea what to make of gibus speculating about town PRs? Where is votato?

Special mention to this gem of a post:

Possible scum buddies:

fish and lilith

See how fish projects a lot of insecurities onto me after my vote for Lilith? I'd be proud to be your scum buddy. Too bad I'm not.

What I mean by leaning in…this is ridiculous content that I don’t think scum!ironcat would be putting out there? What do they have to gain by antagonizing formerfish and now Lilith?

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I think people have been really quick to write off gibus as "newbtown" but I don't really see much progression in his posts or attempts to solve the game. His wagon disintegrated scarily fast. Is everyone just agreeing on "newbtown" here?

It fell apart because Copykat brought him to L-1 with a bad vote tho? Usually the first L-1 wagon falls apart fast?

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Not in love with lilith's progression from the gibus wagon to...the wagon that immediately followed it on copykat, but her thoughts on ironcat seem genuine.

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@everyone that is townreading votato: why?

VOTE: votato btw

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I don't like his behavior around the gibus wagon--he's scumreading copykat at this point, but doesn't vote for her until the momentum shifts from gibus to her.

It fits into his pattern of behavior so far this game--his posts lack content, and really a lot of his early stuff was just answering questions. I agree that the townreading questioning is something scum could be afraid to do, but I also don't think it's a big risk--it's just a lot of WIFOM tbh. I think votato's general vibe has been pretty cheeky and that he would be comfortable saying something like that.

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I don't think votato has been pushing much at all. At least not in a way that would cause major direction. He's really just gone after low hanging fruit: feathers at the beginning, ironcat when they were in their feelings, copykat after her L-1 vote.

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I think freddie's reaction makes sense as someone who has a reserved personality and was turned off by ironmask and formerfish.

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feathers at the beginning

I disagree about this being low hanging fruit since many players were town reading feathers. I think that's a major mischaracterization.

Eh, it's more a misrep because I failed at reading again--his feathers vote was in RVS. This doesn't change how I feel about him, though--I think he stuck with copykat because it was easy, and I don't think he pushed her. A lot of his posting re: copykat is in direct response to her or only prompted by her posts. It's the first major scum vibe when I re-read. I leaned town on votato when I skimmed the first time, but I don't think his posts held up when I read again and I can't shake that feeling.

This game has been exhausting to read through, honestly. I feel more comfortable in a game where there are multiple wagons and you can start to notice inconsistencies in actions or opportunistic votes, but this game barely has any of that. The middle of the thread revolves hard around blurred personal/game reactions to fish and ironcat and it's just a slog to parse. Beyond certain things that stuck out to me, I'm mostly going off vibes because that's all I got. It's not for lack of effort because I've spent too much time reading this thread, but it's hard to contribute much. I realize this is sounding really defeated, and I'm being honest when I say it's not in response to the votes on me and more as a result of general frustration, but eh--I'll be more grounded after we get a flip.

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Nauci/freddie are town to me. re: the freddie wagon; I genuinely think this is a reaction to their tone--reserved, sort of a weird sense of humor. Like I said, I think their reaction to formerfish was genuine and vibed with their personality. They seem like frustrated/confused town, which I relate to.

Lean town on formerfish and osuka. Both slots (largely speaking to ironcat) have come off as genuine in their actions. formerfish has been active in pushing town, but seems comfortable/experienced enough to do this as scum, so I'm not fully convinced yet. The ironcat slot--I can't see them doing all that as scum. Like, the town wagons gibus and then the attention turns to copykat--if ironcat is scum, at least one of copykat/gibus is town. Why derail everyone with continuing the formerfish/lilith stuff?

Null on lilith and tuxedo/copykat. With lilith it's weird because I can really follow her thought process (especially her reaction to ironcat), but she does things like say "oh the gibus wagon fell apart fast" and....doesn't really follow up on that? I feel like the right move for scum!lilith is to hold back right now and that's what she's been doing. Copykat's turnaround on gibus was bad, but her reaction I could see as newbtown too? She doesn't have that many posts on the site--she wasn't very experienced and I can't really sort her actions. Tuxedo has been much more active and engaged, which is good but still makes the slot difficult to sort--this is what he would want to do as scum.

Leaning scum on gibus and still scum on votato. I've explained my read on votato--I just don't get the sense that he's really pushing his scumreads. Like, he's responding to copykat and she's clearly his top scum read after the focus turns to her post gibus wagon. But he doesn't *push* copykat, even though the wagon is stalling and formerfish/lilith/iron are interacting with each other/reacting to formerfish/ironcat. gibus is a roller coaster for me--he was super active in the beginning, then really stopped after he gained momentum on the wagon. His behavior and engagement during the beginning seemed natural. Everything after didn't seem so.

Obv I would prefer to lynch between votato/gibus. I agree that a flip on the copykat slot would be useful, and would be willing to go for tuxedo.

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I leaned town on votato when I skimmed the first time, but I don't think his posts held up when I read again and I can't shake that feeling.

this rubs me off the wrong way. why did your read change on what is coincidentally the player spearheading your wagon?

I voted and explained my read before votato voted for me.

I don't like his behavior around the gibus wagon--he's scumreading copykat at this point, but doesn't vote for her until the momentum shifts from gibus to her.

It fits into his pattern of behavior so far this game--his posts lack content, and really a lot of his early stuff was just answering questions. I agree that the townreading questioning is something scum could be afraid to do, but I also don't think it's a big risk--it's just a lot of WIFOM tbh. I think votato's general vibe has been pretty cheeky and that he would be comfortable saying something like that.

I don't think votato has been pushing much at all. At least not in a way that would cause major direction. He's really just gone after low hanging fruit: feathers at the beginning, ironcat when they were in their feelings, copykat after her L-1 vote.

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When I skimmed the thread after replacing in, I thought votato seemed present and insightful, but I noticed less analysis and push from him when I read the second time? I'm confused about your question because votato wasn't pushing on my slot at all at the time.

Re: you. Yeah ironcat was an oversized presence so I can't help but focus so much on them. I like your content--I think you're making a genuine effort to engage and scumhunt and nothing seems off. Though it's similar a bit to the tuxedo situation where a lot of people were focused on your slot and being heavily active and engaging would be what you'd want to do as scum.

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Hi, I'm vanilla townie.

@formerfish I don't think freddie is scum. Would vote for them over myself but I'm not going to vote for someone I'm reading town for any other reason.

re: why I think votato is scum. Look at his ISO with copykat's. Votato isn't *pushing* copykat. Their posts on copykat are almost entirely replies to her. If she's his main scumread, why isn't he redirecting the topic in the thread to her? Instead the wagon stalls as formerfish/ironcat/kinda lilith go back and forth with each other. I look at votato's posts throughout the game and I see someone who is present, but spending a lot of time providing information over analysis, going after easy targets *visibly* but not really pursuing them beyond replying directly to them.

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Look, I know my contributions have been shit. I've explained why I've had trouble getting into this game. But I'm an easy mislynch that doesn't really provide the town with much information.

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VOTE: freddie

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L-1 in case it wasn't clear

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@lilith I had finished my reread (mostly skimmed the last 10 or so pages after the replacements came in) when I placed my votato vote. That's it for the timing--I legit just had (still do!) votato as my biggest scumread and it was my biggest takeaway.

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@Freddie why aren't you voting FF? And what about FF do you find scummy?
Do you scum read Copycat/Me? But I'm most interested in your read of Copycat's posts. And do you scum read Osuka/Ironcat? I'm more interested in your thoughts on Osuka's posts though.

Freddie, can you answer this?

Ironcat was unvoted by me. We established that, I could have been wrong but it seemed reasonable to me so I acted on it. Osuka has been just shitting on everyone’s posts and being loud. The loudness may be an attempted substance but I can’t read it yet.

Fish, what’s a vanity vote?

I’m not voting fish atm because I think he’s scummy but it might be deliberate. It reminds me of the quote “I think a servant of the enemy would look fairer and feel fouler”. I’m still not sure enough to vote him, which is why I never voted him.

How do I officially claim my role? Do I send a screen shot of my message from Elmo? I’m not scum.

Vanity vote is a vote on a wagon that has no legs, you vote there because youre vain and think you know better.

You claim by saying what you are, if youre a town pr I would just say PR for right now, so we dont clue scum in anymore

than needed

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You don't think that's all scum needs?

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Right. I'm questioning why you're saying that to freddie when he clearly intends to claim, even though he wasn't actually hammered

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I agree with lilith that town!freddie becomes the nk target, though. If he's a PR and doesn't actually need to claim, why let that happen?

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I interpreted freddie's reaction as "I'm ready to claim"

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Nope

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So yeah, I was genuine about not being able to get into the game. wanted to try playing again because it was fun and all when I did--as in energizing, but it wasn't at all this time and I couldn't engage. Sorry--no one's fault but my own

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anyway, stan ironcat lol

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Legit had a nullscum read on my slot when I thought I was copykat. Oh well

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well, freddie, i'm dead

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you live in pittsburgh

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at least pretend like you got the joke

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I was calling pittsburgh a shit show...actually used to live there until a couple years ago, so I'm allowed to joke about it

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liberty tunnel flashbacks

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do you think he's being coached?

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Hi gg all, glad to have been a side character in it all. Just a quick point of clarification—even though I joked about it and the city does have its issues, I do love Pittsburgh dearly lol