lange nonal 227 OHHH!!!! OHHH!!!!! ITS OVER OHHHHHH!!!! OHHH

[NorwegianboyEE]

Poppo!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

oops. day hasnt started yet. lol. sorry

Me thinks your title is either very ironic or very undeserved.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok so from the setup: "there are only town and mafia." since we know there are only two factions, why dont we all just claim what faction we are a part of? that would really help to clarify where we stand and who we should be lynching. I'm mafia.

I think we should believe what Votato is saying here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok so from the setup: "there are only town and mafia." since we know there are only two factions, why dont we all just claim what faction we are a part of? that would really help to clarify where we stand and who we should be lynching. I'm mafia.

I think we should believe what Votato is saying here.

that he's mafia?

No, the fact that there are only two factions stupid!
Anyway, moving on to something completely unrelated to that which i just spoke of. Votato might be mafia.
VOTE: Votato

[NorwegianboyEE]

i so u anit that late. fars and nadh on my radar till i have sorted them VOTE: nowr alore is null to me untill i see where the game gos

Please lay off the drugs while playing mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

haha i got page top

I hate attention-seekers who hog pagetops because they have no insightful content to grab attention with otherwise.

VOTE: Hoctac

You shouldn't go into illogical rampages like that. It's just a waste of time.

VOTE: votato

Good vote friend. Do you want to stay wagon buddies?

[NorwegianboyEE]

ahh votato is team town thats all i can say i'm team town to

Ah real content.
Why are you proclaiming Votato as being a member of team town when considering the minuscule amount of real content so far? What is it based on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

ahh votato is team town thats all i can say i'm team town to

Ah real content.
Why are you proclaiming Votato as being a member of team town when considering the minuscule amount of real content so far? What is it based on?

yeah i scum claimed. and you town read me for that? whats a guy gotta do to get scum read?

Why are you saying i town read you because you scum claimed? I'm voting you and never said you're town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, he quoted my post. So obviously i'd expect his query to be directed towards me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

well lts see could every one question wehre how good is your scum game?

>I rand scum = GG, town win.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do u feel somwhat threatened norsk?

Not by a fedora.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, he quoted my post. So obviously i'd expect his query to be directed towards me.

oh why your defence just cuse he correct your misteak ?

Sorry, can you speak English?

[NorwegianboyEE]

as far as nowr gos i see panic and wouldnt town not panic or least fight back i mean he is 2019 and make it so easy?

Please just call me Norwee if you're referring to me.
Also, i have no idea what you're talking about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have no idea what's going on, but i'll try my best.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stan1ey, why are they voting me? Something about 2019 and panicking?

[NorwegianboyEE]

cuse norwe on my radar and tow seem to not be worried to disprove

Is this a gimmick for this game? Does Hoctac really post like this?

I checked his profile. He knows how to type properly. It seems to be a gimmick made up for this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok so norwee felt a little defensive in that quote 2 posts ago i had, that's why i thought it was shady but UNVOTE: norwe

Now that your posting restriction has been resolved, can you restate your initial suspicion on me and what the 2019 thing was about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i thought this was unnecessarily defensive. the 2019 thing was referencing your experience

I'm getting the impression that you either have a very low threshold for "defensive" posts. Or you were trying to manufacture a scumread.
The 2019 thing seems a bit tacky and added on like your read needed more substance so you brought up my join date for some extra 'oomph' to your vote. The: "veteran player shouldn't panic" argument is weird to begin with when there was very little to suggest i was panicking at that time. Afterwards you give up your read and unvote me. Suggesting that you subconsciously understood your argument to be very weak to begin. You also ceased the 'cutesy misspellings' act when prompted by multiple people to stop. Showing that you are highly sensitive to the emotions of players around you, which is more indicative of a scum mindset.
VOTE: Hoctac

[NorwegianboyEE]

hes probably just vt trolling if i had to guess

Weird of you to bring up that you specifically believe he was vanilla town trolling. Don’t you think his push on me was weird?

[NorwegianboyEE]

hes probably just vt trolling if i had to guess

Weird of you to bring up that you specifically believe he was vanilla town trolling. Don’t you think his push on me was weird?

i think you're weird. fucking norwegian.

The Dane should stay out of this. Can’t you see i’m trying to harrass Popopopopo here? Don’t disturb us.

[NorwegianboyEE]

dnt thread thin; dnt mix nationalities and insults on the same sentence. it goes against the site rules, even as a joke.

It’s cool. We’re both scandinavian and we like to insult our neighbors. It’s all in good fath.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok this is weird now
does anyone here have experience playing in schadd's games? Are they like this?

The players make the game, rarely the moderator.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Perhaps ud like some support on that front? Here, take a vote of trust
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

While we’re on the topic of you mentioning Word321.
What is a ‘vote of trust’ supposed to mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think I lost track of the votes by now.
At least we got outside lylo.
A lot of new faces. R yall trying to apparent activity with this?

Why are your responses so awful?!
Like, i’m trying to not bias here. But you look so scummy already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So initial reactions:

- Wagon on Word321 has merit. His response to the wagon is lame: "Getting out of RVS" seems to be his only care. Never mind the fact that people legit scumread him. He then votes Madonna for some reason.
- Counterwagon on Madonna is weird and i would look for scum here if Word ever flips mafia.
- Wagon on Manateedude is bad. (Answering meme questions ‘wrong’ is scummy? Since when?!)

VOTE: Word321

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also since when does town EVER in their life say shit like: "Oh, people are voting me. They must be trying to FAKE activity by scumreading me!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm that actually is an interesting contradiction you pointed out.
VOTE: Manatee

It’s not. It’s a super garbage reason to scumread someone imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

U seem to be a player worth keeping an eye upon, though

Why did you think that when you wrote this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

how close is word to a lynch here? fairly close yeah? his post is scummy. but i dunno if its wagon-this-big scummy.

And where exactly do you wish to focus if you want people off Word321?

[NorwegianboyEE]

>Dayvig Hoctac

[NorwegianboyEE]

how close is word to a lynch here? fairly close yeah? his post is scummy. but i dunno if its wagon-this-big scummy.

And where exactly do you wish to focus if you want people off Word321?

I didnt say that i want people off word. Im just concerned about the number of bad votes on that wagon

Which are he bad votes in your opinion?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree that Aloratom’s ISO is lacking. But it’s too early in the game for me to find that allignment indicative. His vote is fine with me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Word321
Lmao, and who did you say was ‘defensive’ or ‘felt threatened’ earlier? That’s quite the wall you just wrote.

Anyway, as far as i can tell you are saying your belief is that i am town tunneling you? That’s a phrase i often hear scum say when they want to dissipate mounting suspicion on them. Also, you are saying scum is sitting outside the wagon and is content to do nothing? Do you think none/few mafia are actually voting you right now? Why is that?
"I think you are persecuted", by who? I haven’t felt persecuted at all this game. Why are you always making assumptions about me and events surrounding the game? I haven’t even played with you before and now you started off by acting like my psychiatrist. It feels manipulative and i do not appreciate it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What r the so many called motives u see for such a big wagon to remain without the need to question the judgement or the intention of the integrants?

It’s barely been a day so far. Not that much time to start questioning why the wagon remains. If you want to question the judgement and intention of the ‘integrants’ as you call them. You need only do it. Instead of doing that you seem to be more focused on wasting time with empty words and AtE. "These posts made me angry" etc... It’s really just a waste of time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m always under the impression that large normals will be very busy and have loads of posts. But then the game just dies.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Word is probably town.

You’re not saying why.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Look who’s been paying attention.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He wasn't really in danger to warrant this.

Was it a serious mason claim? I didn't think so.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He wasn't really in danger to warrant this.

Was it a serious mason claim? I didn't think so.

@Farside22
Did you genuinely believe that was a mason claim?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You should try outsourcing day 1 sometimes. It's fun.

Ok boomer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Word is probably town.

You’re not saying why.

We're masons.
Do I really need a reason why? Are you scumreading him?

He wasn't really in danger to warrant this.

This sounds off like a scumtell. Farside immediately reacts to Gobledygook's sketchy "mason claim" with a naive comment like she fully believes him to have mason claimed and outed his partner early day 1, when neither of Gobble/Word321 were in any imminent danger of being lynched. Farside, instead of staying suspicious about the dubious claim, immediately assumed Gobble did this from a town viewpoint. Which is how a scum that already knows who the mafia/town are would react in that situation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

there's no motivation for scum!farside to fake taking a joke mason claim genuinely

How do you know she was "faking" the act of taking the mason claim seriously?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Farside22
Still suspicious about Word321 and Hoptac. But this is spicy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mafia often assumes town is being honest to a fault. Which is how they trip up sometimes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again it is the player associated with the claim that gives me pause.

Thoughts on this @Gobledygook?
Does this sound legitimate coming from Farside? (I don't really know the player)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I almost know none of the players here very well to be fair. That's actually one of the big reasons i joined this game. Because i wanted to see how i would fare in a game with few familiar faces.
So don't expect meta arguments from me. I'm going by-this-game-basis only.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if you thought gooble was fake claiming why did you want to expose it. If as you say town fake claim more than scum. What do you feel was your town motivation in trying to expose gooble as a faking claiming if you thought he was more likely to be town.

My problem with Farside's comment is that i can either perceive it as Farside trying to score town points by chastising Gobledygook for presumedly mason claiming early.
Or they legitimately believed Gobledygook and was taken back by the early claim. Ignoring the fact that all logic points to the claim being very fake.

Neither of which look very good or coming from town motivation.

The only remaining explanation is that they believe Gobbledygook to always be honest for meta related reasons. (Something Gobble would need to confirm for me.) That might be the answer i'd like the best but i'm not sure i'm buying it yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

madonna's at L-2?

Woah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah, a day 1 quicklynch, i’m not that optimistic about it’s outcome.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Only hit page 6 as of now, lamest thing I have seen thus far is the question @mod about post restriction roles being a thing. If they exist in a normal game, are they alignment indicative? Doubtful, unless you want to go way off base and assume out of several post restriction roles, some are town, some are scum, and that is now your voting pool. Like, that is wild.

was gonna say norway leans town but then they started going off word to go for farside for duuuuuummmbb reasons. i want to believe.

hoctac how confident do u feel on manatee?

Why is it dumb reasoning? Are you good at reading Farside and do they seem like town to you?

Give me a vote count and i’ll see what i can do. I probably won’t vote Madonna because it’s built up too quickly for me and i don’t agree with the reasoning. As it’s mostly based on ISO when we’re still D1. I can compromise on Word321, as for any other players i don’t know yet. They haven’t stuck out to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say it. I didn’t think Words’s wall was all that townie.
A lot of people are saying Word’s post is a town post, but nobody says why. I’m curious if they legitimately like what’s been said or it’s a case of: "Lots of text= town right?".

[NorwegianboyEE]

We had a solid bandwagon on word, and a competing miniwagon with manatee. I think that's sufficient information for day 2, all considered.

I'm just tired of 80 page day 1s where every town role is outted and scum can pick the PRs apart...….every damn time.

Your mindset sucks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

then he says this, seems quite sure of his vote on word, despite not really giving any reason. this is the damning post for me. getting on an early day 1 speedwagon? no problem. defending that speedwagon against another speedwagon for no reason? no no

Why on earth is that a "no no"? Is there a big difference between joining a initial "speedwagon" vs joining a newer wagon?
And do you really believe the wagon on Word could be called something of the same caliber as the votes on Manateedude? "Speedwagons" you call them. The wagon on ManateeDude was very weak vs the wagon on Word that had actual merit. From Madonna’s POV. It makes perfect sense to argue for less votes on what they perceive to be a horrible wagon on a townread, vs an actually good wagon on a scummy individual.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Popopopopopopo
Do you believe your post 334 is making good points in favor of scum!Madonna?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Word321

Unofficial vote count

Madonna (6): word321, NDMath, popopopopopopo, Albert B. Rampage, midwaybear
word321 (4): Nahdia, Madonna, Aloratom, NorwegianboyEE
ManateeDude (2): Hoctac, votato
votato (1): stan1ey
Albert B. Rampage (1): ManateeDude
NDMath (1): farside22
farside22 (1): bob3141

Not voting (1): gobbledygook

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think my main gripe against the Madonna wagon at the moment is that most of the slots voting there are scummy, so i'm not touching it with a 3 foot pole.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm liking Farside22 better tonally. And nothing pinged me from their reaction to my push. So i feel better about having them as a null/town read for now.
Popopopopo has been put under FOS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

hey norwe, im town this game, theres no need to fret

Alright, but i’d still like it if you would address some of my questions pointed at you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm having a hard time parsing your texts Word321. I think it's the mix of chat language with randomly complex thesaurus words that's messing with my brain.

[NorwegianboyEE]

town game
town game
town game
town game
scum game
scum game

The only reason I looked into the games was his questions were a lot of questions that lined up to look like busy work (which is a scum tell in my book) and I wanted to see if that was a thing for him. As you look through his town games you see a player that is sorting through things and making comments in the game. Here just more questions and lot of not saying much about anything going on in the game to sort through. Also not an agro player to going agro looks pretty much fake in my book too.

It checks out... Alright i'll join your push here.
VOTE: bob3141

Also... that image. Are you flirting with me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we can't find any better alternative i suggest we wagon the person with the worst spelling and work our way upwards until the game only has perfection.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we can't find any better alternative i suggest we wagon the person with the worst spelling and work our way upwards until the game only has perfection.

i still think we are better off lynching all norwegians first. i've literally never seen you play town.

This is your lucky day. Witness my townplay until your eyeballs drop out. Because it's here, it's now. It's HOT NEWS! And you are invited to witness with a first-class ticket.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Bob3141
What is your view on the current leading wagons? (Word321 + Madonna)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why don't you ask him what the point of his question was.

[NorwegianboyEE]

manatee reads as kind of genuine explaining stuff? so i think if he is scum he feels he's been caught for wrong reasons and the contradiction is probably NAI

This feels off.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Madonna
@Nahdia

Post more.

@Gobbles
I’ll give you a pass for now. But won’t be so lenient next time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

jus here fore the hammre

Took another look at Hoptac’s ISO. Still hate the slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Would anyone be interested in joining either a Bob or Hoctac wagon?

[NorwegianboyEE]

manatee reads as kind of genuine explaining stuff? so i think if he is scum he feels he's been caught for wrong reasons and the contradiction is probably NAI

This feels off.

It reads pretty clear to me. Are you talking tone?

Contrived explanation. Doesn’t seem natural.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Would anyone be interested in joining either a Bob or Hoctac wagon?

I'd do bob. I've never seen him go into 3d degree mode this early.

3rd degree mode?

[NorwegianboyEE]

UGH! Spoilered text.
A mobile users nightmare.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee's a hater prob a town one tho

Are you trying to handwave suspicion away?
I don’t understand your reason for keeping your vote on Manateedude. 327 is plain awful. Your argument is that Manatee should be lynched (changed to "quicklynched" one post later) because he joked about liking to play as scum? Really?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Correction* You have now changed your vote to Albert. But i still wasn’t a fan of your earlier push.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If it was an intentional strategy of his part, then i’m sure he’d keep up the impression. Not go: "Nah i really do hate scum jk" one post later. Thinking you "caught" him lying there is silly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But i guess i’ll give you tryhard points? Don’t really see what scum!you would gain from doing what your current explanation suggests. It’s not like your case was good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Subconcious inclination.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Clearly Bob is a decent wagon as concluded by yourself Stan1ey.
Join usssss.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you saying we should listen to the guy that doesn’t care about day 1?
And how does a leading wagon with more votes than the newest one classify as "the resistance"? Clearly your wagon is not the resistance, it’s the evil imperial Empire.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Votato, who are your current townreads?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i've seen this odd posting from hoctac before. I guess maybe ill re-evaluate later. granted the pagetop thing is annoying and everyone who doesnt know how to use a keyboard/mildly proofread deserves to be lynched irl, but its not AI in-game. annoying != scum

What do you think about Bob's: "I make spelling mistakes only when i'm town. When i'm scum i proofcheck all of my posts" argument?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bob, are you just lolcatting now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like you spend a lot of time defending yourself and cracking jokes. But you haven't taken a single moment to actually solve and tell us who real scum are if it's not you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fact: Bob3141 is voting Farside22, with posts in his ISO suggesting he believes she is scum pushing for his lynch. Yet when looking at his newest posts we notice that his tone against her is irregular. Mostly trying to discredit the arguments on him and protect himself rather than elaborating why Farside22's push makes them scummy.
Does he think Farside is town blinded by meta?
Does he think Farside is scum maliciously pushing a bad case on him?

Bob's mindset is fluctuating between these two stances.

This is usually not how i'd imagine town to be responding in this situation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

this means something

Like what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Holy fuck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well looks like we officially left the RVS boyo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

P.S.
Spoiler tag is a thing... you can use... to condense your posts.
Good post tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk if Popopo is right about their main scumread. But i definitely feel comfortable calling them town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow. Cheeky Albert.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d like to see Midwaybears defense before i’d consider joining in though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shut up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pedit: Holy shit how can I write a case when new things come so fast (not that it is bad, only for my mental health)

Bro, just live in the moment. Like me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

been a while since that copypasta was used against you Norwee

I do have a special talent for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what on earth is happening someone engage me

I'll engage you.
Tomorrow's the wedding.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was still doubtful until i read: "oops that too"

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Midwaybear

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait, i think i misunderstood that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:
Just testing the waters before i jump in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

is activity a tell for gobble? hes kinda lurking pretty hard and more active elsewhere on-site

I gave him a pass once. But i'm not liking his continued absence. I don't know if it's specifically a tell for him, but it's just kinda scummy either way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But you were also down for that quicklynch Popopo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But you were also down for that quicklynch Popopo.

hell yea brother i wanted a quicklynch from the start. since that cleary wasnt happening i decided to knuckle down and PLAY SOME FUCKIN MAFIA

YEAH!!
FINALLY!!
SCREW QUICKLYNCHES!!
THUMBS UP FOR CASE EM AND DISPLACE EM!

[NorwegianboyEE]

But you were also down for that quicklynch Popopo.

Popo said a VI quicklynch was good for town, he never contradicted himself. What are you trying to imply?

I was basically just shitting on your quicklynch strategy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am still reading, but let us get this out of the way:

VOTE: bob3141

I do not care about the meta. This is about the falseness, the whole everyone is wrong on their reads, that his bad posts are somehow prodges, and that once he landed in hot water, suddenly he is sorting farside22 as town, no problems here, no sir.

I will check out the midwaybear situation and defend my former vote on word321 in time.

All of this.
Idk why Albert claims the Bob wagon is so much weaker than the Midway wagon. This shit valid yo.
Anyway, i will not shed tears if Midway is lynched in the end. But this is a decent counterwagon either way. And that is always valuable for town once game get’s more flips.
VOTE: Bob3141

[NorwegianboyEE]

Someone is trying to pocket me and i will find out who!

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i’m low-key a bit salty about ABR calling me not the greatest player and now i wanna solve hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

votato can you explain your townreads

abr why am i town to you?

tia

VOTE: midwaybear

I’m curious why your earlier posts seem to indicate support for Bob being scum, yet you end up voting Midway? What was your progression here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My basic stance on Bob/Midway wagons right now is that i believe Midways response to allegations was bad, but i could see it being town bad. Like he got a huge case dumped on him out of nowhere attacking his playstyle, that’s hard to respond at. Meanwhile Bob has been much more scummy, his responses has felt like his mask was slipping. He both townreads and scumreads Farside22. I think his real town response here would be to either tunnel Farside for perceived scummy push or see it as a town push and ignore it to find better ground to hunt. Instead we get what seems to be pure frustration at being scumread and not much else. Like gut just says to me strongly that this is a scummy AF reaction.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stamp of approval on those latest posts by Farside22.

Now let’s wrap this up. We all know Bob is scum, move on to day 2?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Abandon ABR in that cold looking shelter over there, and join the GOOD wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

but im more confident about their being scum in midway/popopo.

Wtf is this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are so many mafia players stoners? Holy shit dude.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vig and nightkill. Which is which?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m leaning on Manateedude being the vig shot maybe? He seemed kinda lynchbaity so why would scum shoot there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, i’ve got awful feelings from Nahdia yesterday. And i feel like they tried to buddy me hard. They are my next go to target.
VOTE: Nahdia

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn boys, that's what i like to see.
Nahdia can you claim plox.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nahdia why did you hammer bob before a claim?

Damn straight, she robbed us from what would have been the funniest claim ever.
"So yeah guys, i'm an 'ascetic even-night alien'"
Hilarity ensues.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hot take: Nahdia/Midway are scum. And Nahdia was doing that "Popopo is bussing and it's SvS" shit as a advanced bussing strategy.
Scum playing 4D CHESS!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hot take: Nahdia/Midway are scum. And Nahdia was doing that "Popopo is bussing and it's SvS" shit as a advanced bussing strategy.
Scum playing 4D CHESS!

what is the point of your "hot takes". Isn't that just straight up defending not bussing

What is your read of Nahdia?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if you don’t like my hot takes. Where exactly do you want to focus?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, where would you be looking for Nahdias teammates if you agree she is scummy and might flip scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mod: what's an alien do?

Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, where would you be looking for Nahdias teammates if you agree she is scummy and might flip scum here.

i'd be looking at norwee tbh. not even a meme.

Why are you so Danish.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, i wasn't talking to you Votato.
@Midway
Answer please:

I mean, where would you be looking for Nahdias teammates if you agree she is scummy and might flip scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

didn't realize it was l-1. i wouldn't hammer without a claim. sorry bob :\

voyeur. hoctac was killed by a killing action (lol)

Why did you target Hoctac?

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seems like such an unusual claim if Nahdia is scum. So i find it believable.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just as an aside, easy to claim because player is dead, any other claim and player was targeted by another PR leads to a lot of your dead to scum to nahdia.

I can’t parse this. Rephrase it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i dont see why me targeting a dead player is any more easy to fake than any living player. hoctac was still a valid target last night.

cuz he flipped, so it is easier to make up something compared to if you targeted a living player

Do you think Nahdia is making up everything or do you think she targeted Hoctac but is lying about her role?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Midwaybear

[NorwegianboyEE]

THIS IS FUCKING BS THEY CLAIMED A SHITTY PR AND TARGETED THE NIGHT KILL

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE

Wouldn't scum!Nahdia claim something better if they wanted to be townread?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or are you saying scum!Nahdia intentionally chose to say they targeted Hoctac (One of the deaths) with a worthless night action as mafia?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Midway is scumming it up so hard right now it's kinda funny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So I defend someone you think is sus and you vote me
lol

Isn't this exactly what you are doing right now? I'm defending someone you think is sus (Nahdia) and now you're voting me. Except you didn't even vote Nahdia initially.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i am voting you because I don't like the questions you aked

Which questions?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok I might be tunneling I will reconsider. Just look at ur iso to see ur questions

That's got to be the stupidest thing i've ever heard. "Just look at your ISO." I'm not the one saying my questions are bad, that responsibility falls entirely on you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We have bigger fish to fry. We need information, connections, competing bandwagons right now. I was in this exact same situation in Guns and Roses IV where we had to decide between eyestot/votato and even though we lynched correctly we lost the game. Sometimes, the optimal town play is to go after the stronger scum manipulating from the shadows rather than the lynchbaits.

VOTE: farside22

Spicy.
I'd prefer to just do Midway first though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Midwaybear
I asked one bad question according to you, and that makes me scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Midway, i know you're trying to hype yourself up here and sell the game on one of me/Nahdia. But it's not working very well. Your push is fake as hell.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You haven't said why my questions make me scummy. You haven't given one good point for why scum!me would be saying what i say. All you've said is "don't like these questions tho".

[NorwegianboyEE]

yeah that's why i said i will reconsider. It's just that those questions don't seem like they help the discussion and are sorta rhetorical.

Sorry, but your weak push isn't fooling me in the slightest. You're not trying to reconsider, you were just pushing me in bad faith because you made a bad call and now you can't retract your statements without looking even more scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And it's blatantly obvious you've got nothing on me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok, so if someone in my scum PT is telling me to push Norwee, why aren't they also pushing?

Great defense bro.
"Why aren't my teammates joining in when virtually everyone thinks my push on Norwee sucks hard."

[NorwegianboyEE]

why is my push even bad? I don't get it.

Pointless shading on me for "asking questions." and then when asked why those questions are indicative of scum!me you don't do fuckall to advance your arguments.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what am i supposed to do? It's just a hunch, and the questions you asked were super bad

If you're town then the answer is:
Do not play like this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

don't play like what? Idk what I am even doing that is bad

You still haven't mustered an explanation of why my questions were bad. Why is bad question= scum? Couldn't town make bad questions too?
Secondly, if this was all based on a hunch. Why were you so confident? Are you scumreading me based on previous things i've done? Because you've said nothing about it.
I am wary about potentially tunneling you if you're town. But you haven't explained anything about your town motivation for voting me and why exactly you believed my slot was so bad it's wagon worthy.
You've made yourself look super scummy. And whichever alignment, should reconsider your play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh no. That was precisely my worry. Every day i tell myself: "Just don't be as bad as Battle Mage and you'll be fine."

[NorwegianboyEE]

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[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops. Wrong fucking game. Ignore that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In a large Normal, there can be a second mafia/werewolf group or a serial killer.

Oh, that's true. So second kill could actually be a SK. I didn't consider that...

[NorwegianboyEE]

abr what makes popopo town?

He reminds me of me when I'm town.

But you're not playing like him in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hope that was a scum slip because it would be really funny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

is why she chose Hoctac over her scumreads (must look those up, maybe Hoctac is there) or midwaybear (who was also under the town microscope)?

Well, there's no point using voyeur on your scumreads, because all you can see if who targeted them, not vice versa. So targeting your townreads to see what happens to them makes the most sense in that situation. But yeah, it's a pretty useless role honestly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

because all you can see if who targeted them, not vice versa.

*All you can see if what actions were used against them.
So basically it's only use for town is catching scum fake claiming their role. (Example: Mafia claims he doctored X and they can see he actually rolecopped them.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm inclined to agree that Nahdia's claim is problematic considering the lack of any other vig claims or etc. So i'm ok with voting them after all. Still think Midway is scummy as hell for their push on me though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Popopo is very strong TR.
Got a TR on Farside/Madonna as well.
Everyone else is either null, very light TR, or scummy.
Albert i'm very uncertain about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In a large Normal, there can be a second mafia/werewolf group or a serial killer.

I can't find confirmation of this. Is it general knowledge?

It’s Wiki confirmed. Large normals can (although it’s not 100% likely) have either a second groupscum or a SK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee, farside, popopopo, and nahdia are top scum in the lynchpool atm. maybe midway too. i agree with abr that theres no reason to lynch nahdia today. i dont like midways counterwagon on norwee. im ok with voting midway, but unsure of VC.

These reads are super bad.
Also you say you don’t like Midway’s counterwagon on me. But i am top scum in the lynchpool?

[NorwegianboyEE]

and his posts here are awful. i also think we get a lot of associations from a midway flip. but we shouldnt lynch there yet, thats a good deadline compromise.

??
His posts are awful and we get associations...
But you DON’T want to lynch there yet?
How are these thoughts even remotely natural?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like your Word case Madonna. Here's my PoE right now.

Slots i don't care to see lynched today:
Madonna/popopopopopopo/farside22

Slots i'm largely indifferent about:
NDMath/stan1ey/gobbledygook/Aloratom

Slots i would like to see lynched today:
Nahdia/word321/midwaybear/votato

I have no fucking clue about this guy help plz tier:
Albert B. Rampage

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually i might push Gobledygook down a bit. He's usually a really good town player, and here he hasn't done anything remarkable. Lurking Gobble is scummy in my eyes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It would be helpful if some of those null slots would start talking. I’d really like to know their reads right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

pretty sure gobble is afk not lurking

According to what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If he has activity in other games that just makes it worse. Because it means he is mostly avoiding this one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bit of a scummy pop-in there turkeylegs.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seemed a bit convenient for you to show up just as we were talking about you barely playing, but ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That said, Hoctac was a scum kill.

How do you know that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can easily compromise on Nahdia though. Unless anyone claims that they vigged Hoctac it's just too suspicious that they supposedly targeted there.
VOTE: Nahdia

[NorwegianboyEE]

will you reconsider on popopo once you're wrong on me

Sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d also accept a Midway wagon if you were to change your vote to there Nahdia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cus Popopo ain’t gonna happen today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because he’s not scum. I townread him hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s a strong soul read. I’ve seen his town playstyle and this feels completely similar. Also he had been putting in a lot of effort earlier.
I don’t see any reason to reconsider my read on him today. Especially not with so many scummy slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What even are your reads Albert? I kinda just read your sad negative posts and get all depressed and shit, but still have no idea where you actually want town to vote/which slots to pressure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

let me recount
NOBODY VOTE ME or you will be vigged tonight

Also is everyone ignoring this? Are you vig claiming?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF WE HAVE A DAMN VIG. THE VIG PROBABLY SHOT MANATEE SO THEYVE ALREADY PROVEN THEMSELVES INCOMPETENT. WHY LET THE VIG TAKE CARE OF CAUGHT SCUM WHEN WE CAN JUST AS EASILY LYNCH THEM AND DONT HAVE TO RELY ON SOME DUMB VIG SHOOTING RIGHT/NOT GETTING BLOCKED OR KILLED THEMSELVES. WHAT IF THE VIG IS ODD NIGHT ONLY? WHAT IF THE VIG IS ONE SHOT? WHAT IF NAHDIA IS STILL ALIVE TOMORROW NO VIG, WHAT THEN? LET THE VIG TAKE CARE OF IT NIGHT 3?????

Kinda my thoughts really... Manateedude was one of my decent townreads i believed in. :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did you ask me if I thought Hoctac was the scum kill if this is your thought? Are you trying to fish the vig?

Just ignore my question. It was dumb.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian Boy seems more prolific than I recall from our only other encounter. I've generally agreed with what he's had to say, but he's been more serious, more driven this game, which gives me pause. Still a Town lean.

What does prolific mean in this instance?
Also you're talking about the newbie right? I remember, it's the game where i catched both scum D1 and we speedrun victory. Good times. I thought i was rather driven in that game too? So what difference are you seeing here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This will tear me up if Nahdia flips town, but i'm a bit too paranoid about the fact that they claimed to target the supposed nightkill.
So unless there are strong arguments otherwise i really think it's the best lynch at his point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Huh, i actually really like that reads post from you Word.
You can go a bit higher in my PoE list.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, i'd be totally fine if someone were to put Nahdia into L-1 right now. Any other wagon is unlikely by this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let me just try to guess the scum team for bragging rights later.
Strong gutread, but i'm assuming it's 4 scum and if Nahdia is scum then it's made out of Nahdia/Votato/NDmath/Midwaybear.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm bored.

Vote Nahdia so we can end the day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let's do this then.
VOTE: NDmath

[NorwegianboyEE]

Flashwagons ftw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As for norwee being low on my list, this is probably hypocritical but they don't actually have anything townie in their iso unless one considers asking questions to be townie.

Did Midway tell you in scum PT to say my ISO "OnLy HaS QuEsTiOnS"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let me just try to guess the scum team for bragging rights later.
Strong gutread, but i'm assuming it's 4 scum and if Nahdia is scum then it's made out of Nahdia/Votato/NDmath/Midwaybear.

why votato? because he shaded you but never followed up on it?

Let's see:

- Bad reads. His take on the game doesn't feel real.
-"let the vig take care of Nahdia" unnatural argument. (Also, why is he so sure about the vig being there and able to shoot the next night in the first place? TMI?)
-Shaded me and goes afk.
etc etc...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and another point about the vig stuff. It's just really LAMIST.
"Look at me guys, i have the town's interest in mind. We should ask the vig to kill Nahdia for us! See what a clever cookie i am?"

[NorwegianboyEE]

can you expand on the bad reads part?

I always get bad vibes from people that say they scumread player "x" with very little or no reasoning, and then literally do nothing to push that read. If you look at his ISO you'll notice that's his entire schtick. Not an ounce of genuine scum hunting. Just stating who he reads as scum or town like a robot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Albert, you promised to sheep and i took you up on your offer. I am now very disappointed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This doesn’t feel like multiball.
Could be wrong but eh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

God i want to vote madonna now.
*crouches into corner and starts rocking back and forth*

I think that IF there’s a deepwolf in my reads it would most likely be Madonna. What’s your take on her right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Nahdia
Anyway, back to this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Madonna never voted Nahdia btw. But was quick to jump on NDMath like you pointed out.
So if you scumread Madonna i think Nahdia would still be a decent lynch here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Albert, it’s compromising time. Stop being a unique little snowflake with your votes and join the hive mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am fine with midwaybear not being on this wagon.

Wow. Give the man some sunscreen. That was harsh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk who brought up the "why hasn’t scum hammered Nahdia yet" point. But give the man a medal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pull the lever Kronk.
I don't see the point in stalling this lynch anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

More prolific as in you seem to be outposting everyone by at least 2 to 1. You were playful in that game. I'm not seeing that here.

Excuse me, but what the fuck are you talking about?
Are you just pulling random shit from a single newbie game we had to suspect me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's quite a response.

I don't think you're scum, might have been a bit too harsh on you there.
Why aren't you voting?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why aren't you voting?

Or more specifically, why aren't you voting Nahdia and putting them into L-1?