Micro 941 | Brass and Shrapnel | Game Over!

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Good read so far then. Why?

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Why are we creating a vig shot list?

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Sorry is Bingle in this game and I didn’t know?

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Ooh...I don’t know that I agree with that.

Guess I’ll have to actually read.

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Bingle is a really strong mechanical player who helped me win this setup as scum last time I played.

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Yeah. You go in the BingleBox until I get caught up.

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with 3 mafia its going to be hard to hide within one category after n1 shots with the vig list + a massclaim tomorrow with SS/Bombs claiming as " non vig PR". that way we are pretty guaranteed to get either clear vigs(hopefully if they arent in the graveyard from bomb) or ccs.
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Wait...3 mafia?

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Solid page top pp

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Hmm...

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Talking about ongoing games is no good btw.

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Do you buy it, Penpow?

I need to catch up this morning, but I am initially skeptical of someone trying to mechanically solve here.

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Bingle is a really strong mechanical player who helped me win this setup as scum last time I played.

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I guess I should be more clear. He was town, and his "optimal strategy" "cleared" me, securing me the win in Lylo.

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Like I said, I'll read through and see what's up with yours this morning.

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For those that unvoted Dk...why?

Least favorite player so far. Definitely don't want them leading.

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question: can bombs be roleblocked?

Yes, I trust your setup spec implicitly...

Bomb will kill any player who successfully shoots it at night (unless protected by a Doctor action). A Bomb cannot be roleblocked.

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I mean - I think it's interesting that Dk was the leading wagon and now we're sitting between Hoctac and ceejay as counterwagons with no Dk wagon existing.

That's why I'm looking for reasons as to why people unvoted. Saying that it isn't possible to get a wagon on Dk is not accurate.

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Looks like 17 hours.

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oooh - you are my new sworn enemy.

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Oh - I have a pagetop addiction. You took one I was trying to get.

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Why do we want Ceejay lynched?

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I mean - I asked you why you moved off first soooooooo

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You'll forgive me if I did not understand what you meant by Phoenix Human Rights...

I don't like his trying to be town leader, pushing setup spec hard but missing basic foundational points, or his reaction to being pushed or questioned.

Just seems like - "look at my fake solve, I'm so town. oh did we out everyone's role and give a roadmap to scum, oopsies."

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Also again - I don't like that his wagon completely dissipated.

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Is that what Hoctac(someone else?) pointed out earlier?

If so, I don't disagree.

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"I'm posting, therefore, I am town" is a pretty bad argument.

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im stating that your logic for my lynch is flimsy at best.

Ok - that's not what you said though.

Penguin care to share why you mentioned a scum strategy while hiding it? Being aware of what scum could be doing is information we can use.

What?

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This is why I don't want to listen to you. That's not what I said.

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I guess I should be more clear. He was town, and his "optimal strategy" "cleared" me, securing me the win in Lylo.

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VOTE: DkKoba

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Don't pretend you didn't know that because you responded to me right after.

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I mean - I'm saying not to follow mechanics...which is why I'm pretty opposed to what you are pitching.

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Yeah - no.

Do your own work.

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That's pretty obviously not what I meant, and I doubt you are that dense.

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I didn't say that his setup analysis was scummy, I said that I didn't want to participate in it because I don't think it's a good idea. He's scummy for the reasons I mentioned to Holden.

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If you get angry easy, this probably isn't the game for you. Apologies on the misgendering.

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Yeah - why should I inject the reasoning for my disagreeing with his mechanical plan into this thread when he brings it up to me upon replacing in! Bad Penguin!

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Sorry - I think I disagree with your interpretation of their play so far. I think scum!Koba trying to push a mechanical solve that is probably more beneficial for scum is not town indicative, especially since they are doing so whilst applying misinterpretations/understandings of the setup. I actually don't see the scum hunting so help me see that.

Their wagon falling apart could be either town or scum indicative, I just find it interesting that it completely dissipated. Something to look at in later phases.

Don't really have any reads on other players, but I find your defense of Dk interesting.

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I promise not to troll twilight...

maybe...

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Nope...trolling now.

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No - we're at like 12 hours left with competing wagons on Hoctac and Ceejay, but I prefer Dk, especially for their horrible posting over the past two pages, and others are willing to join if we can get 5.

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It was going to be a future promise, but it has been rescinded for stealing the pagetop.

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Three scum, didn't know that bombs couldn't be roleblocked. I don't tend to trust mechanics to people who can't even read the setup.

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Of course, you're also (purposely?) misunderstanding things that I say so that's another point against as well.

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Not following anything you are putting down.

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I've read the whole thing.

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A bit of irony, no?

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He's always low volume and low content.

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He also looks like he's getting replaced.

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Bad D1 lynch is all I'm saying.

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I do prefer to be on the attack and every second I'm forced to be on the defense is frustrating because I want to Find Scum rather than have to shove off shitpushes.

Well - you aren't the only one trying to play the game so stop being scummy and you won't have to defend yourself.

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Dk is a much better lynch than ceejay at this point. Come on Hoctac.

Don't make me bat my beautiful penguin eyes.

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what even are the wagons at right now?

PP's Unofficial Votecount 1.1

ceejayvinoya(3)

~ Tuxedo Mask(74), Hoctac(69), enomis(32)

Hoctac(2)

~ Night 3 Roses(95), HoldenGolden(85)

DkKoba(1)

~ PenguinPower(90)


Not Voting (3): ceejayvinoya(30), Kilgamayan(40), DkKoba(167)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-30 05:21:12)

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Then help me, friend of friends.

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Dk unvoted in post 589.

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if I end up getting lynched I want penguin to hammer btw. put your money where your mouth is.

As I previously stated, I'm not following anything your putting down.

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if I end up getting lynched I want penguin to hammer btw. put your money where your mouth is.

As I previously stated, I'm not following anything your putting down.

penguin acting like a child with their fingers in their ears "LALALLA CANT HEAR YOU"

this is not conducive to solving and refusing to interact with me is not a good look for you.

If I want you lynched I literally cannot do what you are saying. I won’t be around at deadline to hammer (It will be 3am for me) and me leaving your wagon will kill any chance of it happening.

But sure, I’m acting like a child. Or, perhaps I’m just not listening to someone who has yet to show a coherent thought process.

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regardless I only see about 3-4 people at this table that would vote me at this current game state so good luck with that!

you're making an easy excuse to go low effort on trying to gamesolve and pretty much do nothing.

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I’ve been in the game for less than 24 hours. I’m pushing where I think scum is based on my interactions since then and a lookback before then. Sorry you can’t take the fact that someone doesn’t see you as the god leader Town you seem to view yourself as.

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Like...as scum I come in here and push one of the leading wagons. Not try and start a wagon on town who has a really bad logic process. You want to keep those around as scum.

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I mean - no. I don’t think you’re Town. If I for some reason end up thinking you’re Town then yes.

But, hopefully you’re lynched today.

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Your logic has been incorrect and you’ve incorrectly interpreted posts so how else am I supposed to say it?

Grow some skin.

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I am. That’s why I play the game.

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You’re right. I mostly play by gut and tone.

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Please tell me more how I should play.

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Hoctac is Town.

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What should I do next? I am so lost.

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Wow. What a toxic thing to say. I’m hurt.

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Why would it be in the scum PT...it was a town plan.

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Oh my god.

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Sorry is Bingle in this game and I didn’t know?

Bingle is a really strong mechanical player who helped me win this setup as scum last time I played.

I guess I should be more clear. He was town, and his "optimal strategy" "cleared" me, securing me the win in Lylo.

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Like if you even do a cursory scan of the first page of the game you just linked you would have seen he wasn’t my partner.

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Seems to be a habit. This is the third time I’ve made that statement to you.

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His understanding of the mechanics, and ability to actually read content, has been extremely underwhelming.

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If we aren’t doing Dk, I will compromise on enomis. Don’t really have a read there. I’m going to bed in about 30-45 and won’t be around for deadline.

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Lol

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Knew Dk was going to do that.

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Votes ceejay
Hey ceejay what do you think about pp’s view on em because I value your opinion even though you’re scum
Hammers lynch with ceejay

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Oh sorry. You voted ceejay over anyone else at deadline because you didn’t scumread him only thought he was scummy.

Yep. That changes the basis of what I said.

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Is all of epic mafia like this? Honest question.

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You know how to quote. Great!

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you had hammer on emomis and now is about hte time you'd go to bed. youre a fucking coward bc ur scum

I already said I had a thought of what you’d do and I’m not in bed.

No worries boo, if I’m scum, no way I’m killing you.

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I said I would compromise if your lunch wasn’t going through and I was in bed. Those two triggers did not occur.

For someone who can’t take any type of insult or slight whatsoever you are sure quick to dish them out.

I have no idea what enomis is flipping, but the expediency and your hammer give me pause.

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Oh sorry oh god master of mafia. I forgot who I was talking to.

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Uh huh. If you really are town you need a massive ego check.

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Day 2 Mylos are fun.

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I'm a little weirded out by the fact that you had that post ready to go 3 minutes into D2 ngl.

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if there actually is a Night 2 it will be because scum was lynched today

I mean - we don't have compulsory lynches.

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Glad that happened.

Why is no lynch bad and grants upwards of 90% chance for scum to win? Walk me through that.

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If we no lynch, scum will always kill a townie. Then, we're relying on a town vig to shoot the scum that was specifically NOT protected of the two, and not just misfire and kill town. How is it ever superior to lynching?

Why would a vig shoot? Vig should holster.

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What? Scum only get one shot. It's Mylo, not Lylo.

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Could have sworn that said 6 earlier.

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Yes - it did say that earlier. 6 alive with 4 to lynch.

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Alright - well - claim time.

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I'll claim whenever people want.

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PP big brain breaking strategy

This has not ever happened ever once ever...

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Don't particularly care. Early on is fine.

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Tux > Roses > Hoctac/Kilga if I cared enough to make an order.

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not-vig

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Should probably claim your shot then for the same reasoning.

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It is one too many, but scum could still split claims.

This process hasn't really done much for me.

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I mean - I think it's interesting that Dk was the leading wagon and now we're sitting between Hoctac and ceejay as counterwagons with no Dk wagon existing.

That's why I'm looking for reasons as to why people unvoted. Saying that it isn't possible to get a wagon on Dk is not accurate.

with both Dk and CJ flipping town, how likely do you think hoctac is still town? That wagon dissapeared quietely, and I can't even pinpoint what actually happened that dismantled this wagon. I feel it's between you and Kilga + hoctac as the team here.

No - we're at like 12 hours left with competing wagons on Hoctac and Ceejay, but I prefer Dk, especially for their horrible posting over the past two pages, and others are willing to join if we can get 5.

how is hoctac NOT a good lynch? I already spent time and effort in explaining why I townread both DK and the Tux

Dk is a much better lynch than ceejay at this point. Come on Hoctac.

Don't make me bat my beautiful penguin eyes.

what has hoctac done to deserve a townread?

Hoctac is Town.

Seriously, what?

You realize that I replaced in with like 14 hours to deadline and got deathtunneled on Dk? Right?

It's almost as if after four townies flipping my reads might change...almost.

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Kilga + Hoctac more likely?

This team is gut pinging me.

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Would also explain why Penpow really needed to kill DKoba.

No, it doesn't. I would have just deathtunneled them again. Not lying...as scum, I never kill Dk there.

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If it is Penpow, then it means I actually am a blank since he definitely protected himself in face of DkKoba.

Nah - he was way too obvious at eod that he wasn't shooting me.

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It means that I had the same thought it may be them, but don't have anything with strength to back it up.

To be fair, I haven't had a whole lot of time to interact in real-time this game which is a major problem for me getting reads.

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About here:

I'm a little weirded out by the fact that you had that post ready to go 3 minutes into D2 ngl.

and then when Hoctac started spearheading the claim order but didn't care about Kilga's order.

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The fact that they were the last two and split and Kilga's response to that also pinged me.

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Oh - I didn't really care about the order because I didn't expect it to accomplish much.

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You wall much more than usual and prepared walls are icky. Especially when you cross stuff out.

That’s a minor part of the pings though. Just the initial ping.

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Or maybe it’s just you and Kilga.

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I mean - it’s not close to impossible. Hard bussing is how I won my first scum game onsite and several after that my first year or two on site.

It’s especially helpful if you shift from hard bussing to a new flash wagon at eod.

Although I would have to look back to see if it was actually hard bussing and not just shade throwing towards Hoctac.

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I’m not reading that btw.

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Ok. I read a little.

I was wrong on order but mot the split fact.

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Or the fact that I didn’t like your reaction to me calling out the split fact was not confirming to hoctac.

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Oh - I didn't really care about the order because I didn't expect it to accomplish much.

Why not? You can confirm scum in pools with the right claim order, and getting them to claim early.

Not with the spread we had. Best we could do is look at the split order and assess with previous interactions.

Best thing I got from the was Kilga’s reaction to you and the order wouldn’t have impacted that.

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Scum risk supersaint if they quick lynch given the number of non vig claims.

Daughters birthday today. I’ll be here tomorrow.

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Lol kilga. There is absolutely no scum motivation for anything that I have done this game. I mean - if I was scum, I have been taking the path of most resistance.

I don’t believe you believe that I am really scum. That transition from Tuxedo is gross. I will gladly hammer you.

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That’s because you’re scum with Kilga.

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Like - your PP kills Koba as scum is just wrong on its face, but also would require scum me knowing it was going to be Lylo today.

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Oh, true. But still, that DkKoba kill does imply you.

How am I scum with Kilga if he was seriously pushing for me for most of day 1. Like full on casing, asking people to look at this case, and constantly asking people to vote me?

Because framing and bussing aren’t things that happen in mafia ever. He ended up off you at end of day anyway.

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If we’re lynching me, Kilga has to be the hammer.

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Except scum has to risk shooting a bomb.

Catching up.

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Oh sorry - you're talking about from the perspective you're town.

Which you aren't.

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Hum de dum. Maybe Penpow should hammer Roses instead of the other way around. Picking a fight with DkKoba upon entering the game does seem like a strange thing for town!Penpow to do, when his partner isn't a competing wagon.

Or MAYBE, Tuxe should hammer Roses then. Am I getting closer?

Nope. Kilga or me get lynched. This just reinforces you are partnered with Kilga.

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Hoctac is Town.

What was the reasoning behind this read back then, Penpow?

Pretty sure I already explained. Mostly gut/meta experience at the time.

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RE Hoctac Suspicion: At present, I am not completely sold on Hoctac being town, but it seems less likely than PP being town.

*it seems

more

like than PP being town

God how do I do this every damn time

Cuz it's hard to lie well and consistently.

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@PP

: What specifically did you find interesting about Koba's wagon disappearing?

No reason for it to disappear completely if he was town.

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Did Kilga explain somewhere in his wall where his Hoctac scumread went and why that changed?

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Picking a fight with DkKoba upon entering the game does seem like a strange thing for town!Penpow to do, when his partner isn't a competing wagon.

You mean scum!Penpow?

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Yeah - gotta make sure you lynch that bomb.

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Not if there is a bomb. Then it's a tie.

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Mafia wins endgames where they control 50% of the town UNLESS the remaining townie(s) is a Bomb, in which case it's a tie.

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Both would have to be bombs and it would be a tie.

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I'm not misunderstanding anything? If scum lynch a SS without being the hammer and the remaining two townies are bombs, the game is a tie. If they lynch the SS and one is the hammer, and they shoot a bomb, town wins. If the preceding happens and they shoot a non-bomb, the game is a tie.

Scum need to lynch a bomb today to win.

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Fair, yeah.

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It did. But it still doesn’t make sense, and it definitely didn’t make sense pre-flip.

Can you just quote the sentence(s)?

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Whatever. I read it. Lylo is not a really good reason to continue your read? What actually made it change?

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Whatever the reason, though, it is bizarre that you would hold this stance and yet spend no time today asking Tuxedo Mask about why he moved off of Koba. If the dissolution of the Koba train still doesn't make sense, why not spend any time interrogating one of the people that was directly responsible for it? Even if you think Tuxedo is town, it seems like it would be worth getting that perspective, to help make some sense of the dissolution if nothing else.

It doesn't matter anymore because he flipped town so idrc.

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Still think it's Kilga/Hoctac so I will hammer either one of those two. If we're lynching me one of those two needs to be the hammer.

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If we're going to lynch Kilga, can we go ahead and do that so I can hammer? I don't think people are changing their minds and we have less than a day at this point.

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I mean - I don't have to be, I'm just saying that I'm not worried about Kilga being town so I'm happy to be.

Don't really care about the exchange tbh. I didn't really get much from it to change my view as it's just a rehash and Kilga shading me with an incorrect statement.

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That I haven't done any valid scumhunting until everyone else did the legwork on him. It's actually ironic given his use of "playstyle" as a defense for himself earlier.

Have you changed your opinion on Kilga?

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I’m here to hammer unless Tux wants to.

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VOTE: kilga

I won't be back until noon cst, so I can still hammer if Tux will be there then, but I don't want to risk a no lynch.

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Hmm - guess Datisi and I are going to have to play this setup again.

Day 2 lylo is brutal.