Micro 941 | Brass and Shrapnel | Game Over!

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Holden

Pew pew

[ceejayvinoya]

I will now forever refer to bombs as the bada bing bada booms

[ceejayvinoya]

My vote on Holden stays. Most awkward guy so far.

[ceejayvinoya]

My vote on Holden stays. Most awkward guy so far.

Also awkward in what way?

Dont be shy. I'm apperently the socially awkward one.

This one.

How do I look?? Be honest.

Beautiful.

Hardclaiming insane novice macho cop/doc watcher btw

I CC, let's lynch this scum.

Haha that was a gambit son. You just got gambitted. That role doesnt even exist in this set up! Only a moron would claim it!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tuxedo Mask

[ceejayvinoya]

Are you feeling pressured by all the votes on you, Holden? I could ask people to unvote if that's the case.

Riiiight try me

[ceejayvinoya]

FWIW I tend to post little but word lots when playing in ~~~unfamiliar territory~~~

UNVOTE: DkKoba
VOTE: Night 3 Roses

Posts so far have given me a sense of playing a "safely helpful" game; decent post volume but all of the game content is focused around trying to solve the role puzzle or info dropping (such as details about a previous game that used this setup), which doesn't require any real alignment-related effort. Basically active lurking.

This is a good reason to vote roses. I approve.

VOTE: Night 3 Roses

[ceejayvinoya]

I see people are trying to move us out of RVS. This saddens me, as I was quite enjoying the slow pace of the game, and arguments scare me T_T

Why did you decide to play mafia then lols

It's a bit worrying that you posted nothing but fluff this page.

[ceejayvinoya]

Awww so polite. I'm okay with it.

[ceejayvinoya]

Out of curiosity, what are your other reads

[ceejayvinoya]

Posts so far have given me a sense of playing a "safely helpful" game; decent post volume but all of the game content is focused around trying to solve the role puzzle or info dropping (such as details about a previous game that used this setup), which doesn't require any real alignment-related effort. Basically active lurking.

checks kilgamayan's iso
no setup related efforting
no allignment spewing or solving related efforting
is voting us for efforting and calling it active lurking

okaay

yo datisi is it ok if I start tunneling this?

-Ico

There's been no analysis shared at all regarding this current game from your posts, only previous experiences and setup stuff. Active lurking.

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm not sure, I'm still getting my bearings in this game. Some people seem very friendly but I'm not sure if being friendly makes someone town or mafia.

Also, I liked the person who made the first push against Night 3 Roses. For making the push itself; I think it was productive and useful of them!

Hoctac could be townie after all I guess.

How much mafia have you played @hoctac?

[ceejayvinoya]

@CJ (is that okay?) are you still scum reading Holden? Why/why not? What's your goal with this wagon hoping? Your votes (or unmoved votes) look opportunistic.

I'm holding judgment. There's not enough on Holden to justify a scum read for me atm. My goal is to vote scum. Yeah quite surprising, I know.

[ceejayvinoya]

To answer your first question, I wanted to move it from you!

Do you like to move your vote around? Does it help form reads? Or do you mean you're town reading me?

Yes, I think I do like moving my vote around.
You've been asking game progressing questions, so I don't believe you're in need of pressure. ceejay hasn't had an independent thought yet, so I believe he could do with some!

Good luck with that. I hate independent thoughts. I like looking at other people's reads and ideas and support them, or maybe refute them.

Yeah I mostly just sheep.

[ceejayvinoya]

I would like to know Ceejay's opinion about the pushs on his wagon and why his focus is still on Night 3 Roses, and not on the accusers.

Hoctac is likely town, I'm not voting him.

Want to see more from tuxedo.

This is a weird thought but why were you assuming I would scum read my accusers?

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: hoctac
I just noticed the gimmick account. I will hardtunnel people with dumb gimmicks 9/10 because its not a valid way of covering up town vs scum play

Is Hoctac an experienced player pretending to be dumb with an alt? I'm confused.

[ceejayvinoya]

My vote on Holden stays. Most awkward guy so far.

Also awkward in what way?

Dont be shy. I'm apperently the socially awkward one.

This one.

How do I look?? Be honest.

Beautiful.

Hardclaiming insane novice macho cop/doc watcher btw

I CC, let's lynch this scum.

Haha that was a gambit son. You just got gambitted. That role doesnt even exist in this set up! Only a moron would claim it!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tuxedo Mask

I asked awkward in what way, not where was I awkward. Can you explain what pinged you about that post then?

Do you agree with Phoenix Human Right's comment about me "WIFOM'd too much".

You joke claimed and then took it back and I don't know what to do about that.

Sort of? It's kind of unhelpful to town but I don't think that could be too much. I don't really know how anyone could wifom too much.

[ceejayvinoya]

How do you determine a good candidate to sheep? Is based on their arguments, or having a prior town read on them?

Arguments mostly, if they make sense to me.

[ceejayvinoya]

After reading off page 12 I like n3 roses posts more than earlier. I liked their defense towards kilgamayan.

UNVOTE:

[ceejayvinoya]

Spoiler:

My vote on Holden stays. Most awkward guy so far.

Also awkward in what way?

Dont be shy. I'm apperently the socially awkward one.

This one.

How do I look?? Be honest.

Beautiful.

Hardclaiming insane novice macho cop/doc watcher btw

I CC, let's lynch this scum.

Haha that was a gambit son. You just got gambitted. That role doesnt even exist in this set up! Only a moron would claim it!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tuxedo Mask

I asked awkward in what way, not where was I awkward. Can you explain what pinged you about that post then?

Do you agree with Phoenix Human Right's comment about me "WIFOM'd too much".

You joke claimed and then took it back and I don't know what to do about that.

Sort of? It's kind of unhelpful to town but I don't think that could be too much. I don't really know how anyone could wifom too much.

Wait I scrolled too quickly.

Do you think it matters that it's not an actual role possible on the set up?

I'm willing to excuse it primarily since 3 players have expressed interest in the claim joke (which means at least one townie is among you three), but I can only understand your point if o had claimed something within the scope of the game.

What took my attention wasn't the role but the claim and then you taking it back which pinged me badly for some reason.

[ceejayvinoya]

stop reading meta. unless someone ahs played this setup multiple times b4 ur not gonna be able to striclty meta read them based on that. people act different based on role rolled

I think people usually act differently based on alignment, not on role. Unless we're talking about roles with false positives like godfather.

[ceejayvinoya]

Ask, and you shall receive.

no

Do you feel their reads or scum hunting has been flawed? If so what posts?

Yes, I understand you disagree with their meta based style, however do you believe they have reached incorrect conclusions using it?

i wouldt know yet! but i refuse to read previous games that are not the same setup.

This post really doesn't sit right with me. It feels super disingenuous and misrepresentative. If you refuse to read previous games then don't, I have no clue how that applies to Clidd doing it.

Making this strange accusation, and then not being able to back it up is also weird. If you can't point to one read you disagree with, why would you have a problem with their methods of getting acclimated to the game? Clidd hasn't even pushed anything yet. And yes, I know you can't know for sure if Clidd is right or wrong, but if I saw someone using logic I disagree with to reach a conclusion I disagree with I'd be able to point that out. Your attack of their playstyle feels more like paranoia than anything.

Uh isn't DkKoba only expressing his opinion on the effectiveness of meta reads on players? How is his disagreement towards clidd something that scum would do? Couldn't town also disagree with meta reads being an effective way to sort players?

[ceejayvinoya]

ceejay, i think someone asked earlier for your current read on holden (and sorry if i missed your reply), what is it?

-D

Holden is probably town. I'm backing off.

[ceejayvinoya]

After reading off page 12 I like n3 roses posts more than earlier. I liked their defense towards kilgamayan.

UNVOTE:

Kilhamayan had already unvoted by the time you last jumped in here. Why did you not unvote then? Are you still holding out judgment on Holden? If not, what is your read of them?

I believe the quoted post from ceevee already explains the first question to a point where its not really helpful to inquire about (as it just going to resort to the same logic in that quoted post)

Therefore,

@Ceevee, what about their defense makes you think it's coming from a town angle? Specifically on page 12 and not factoring in earlier mentions of it via Gengish Kilha.

I think scum would just focus solely on defending themselves but night 3 Roses here also made an effort to contribute and play the game outside of his 1v1 with kilga.

[ceejayvinoya]

ceejay, i think someone asked earlier for your current read on holden (and sorry if i missed your reply), what is it?

-D

Holden is probably town. I'm backing off.

who are the scums then?

-D

No idea. Maybe someone in enomis/Hoctac. I'm having trouble townreading either.

[ceejayvinoya]

@CJ

No idea. Maybe someone in enomis/Hoctac. I'm having trouble townreading either.

You townread everyone else?

Don't want this to get lost.

Lol they're more like townleans.

Basically they're all townier than you two so

[ceejayvinoya]

im not towny

*shrug*

If someone says you're towny, you don't get to say no

[ceejayvinoya]

Why not vote for one of them, then?

Want Hoctac to come back first

[ceejayvinoya]

Why not vote for one of them, then?

Want Hoctac to come back first

I'll ask what I asked of enomis of you as well, then. Can you give an example of how you would vote given Hoctac does a certain thing? Something like "If Hoctac's response does A B C I would then vote X Y Z".

I guess if Hoctac is towny, Vote enomis and if Hoctac is scummy, vote Hoctac.

[ceejayvinoya]

Ceejay, who do you FoS ?

I'm no good at scumreads, but for now, enomis.

[ceejayvinoya]

No idea. Maybe someone in enomis/Hoctac. I'm having trouble townreading either.

Why did you stop townreading me?

I thought someone said you were playing under an alt and I was sort of townreading you based on your inexperience

[ceejayvinoya]

Ugh. Unvote. Let me catch up or something.

[ceejayvinoya]

Lol fiiine

[ceejayvinoya]

Lol they're more like townleans.

Basically they're all townier than you two so

Why? Is it because they are "Scumhunting"?

I see them trying to solve the game in different ways so yeah you're not entirely wrong.

My problem is you're just coasting by somehow

I guess if Hoctac is towny, Vote enomis and if Hoctac is scummy, vote Hoctac.

Ceejay, who do you FoS ?

I'm no good at scumreads, but for now, enomis.

Wasn't me being scum based on HocTac? Why is HocTac townier than me?

Nonsense. I scumread you independently. I'm having a hard time reading Hoctac.

[ceejayvinoya]

But seeing that we only have one day left, I am honestly cool with any lynch besides clidd.

Ceejay followed by Dkkoba would be my choice if possible.

Huuuuh. Your only read so far is clidd town?

[ceejayvinoya]

How do you read DkKoba, ceejay?

Probably town

[ceejayvinoya]

@CJ You say you have sheep playstyle, but there have been multiple pushes from players, what about them hasn't appealed to you? Why would you go for Enomis over anyone else?

I could see a world where you're town so I don't trust DkKoba and golden's push on you

Aside from my annoyance on reading Hoctac I'm not keen on that getting lynched out for non scummy reasons so I don't want to sheep there either.

I think I'd rather do nothing rather than sheep people onto those.

Holden has a scum lean on enomis anyway so I'm happy with that.

[ceejayvinoya]

On second thought after reading kilgamayan's 567 maybe sheeping him to voting Hoctac is a good idea.

[ceejayvinoya]

Let's lynch ceejay. I have a gut feeling that he's scum.

This the best you could do? Really?

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm kind of hesitant to consider voting DkKoba because he came from epic mafia which is very mechanical so

[ceejayvinoya]

ceejay what do you think about penguin's push on me?

In good faith but probably inaccurate?

[ceejayvinoya]

His understanding of the mechanics, and ability to actually read content, has been extremely underwhelming.

You do have a point though. Hmmm.

DkKoba says he was trying to take night actions seriously.

PP says he's not doing this seriously enough and could point to a few things. (missing the fact that bombs cannot be rb'd, thought there were three scum)

I need to think on this a bit.

[ceejayvinoya]

Meanwhile

VOTE: enomis